--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, Sarlo <sarlo@...> wrote:
>
> At 07:13 PM 8/24/08, GB wrote:
>
> > > Does anyone know if there is a way to just let certain members
to only
> > > see the polls and nothing else?
> >
> >No there is not.  All settings other than Upload Files and Posting
> >Privileges are either All Members or Moderators Only.  You can not
> >pick and choose which members can see which things.
>
> One option is possible, though with drawbacks and limitations: Polls
can be
> restricted to mods-only and the certain members appointed as mods, with
> zero privileges if need be. Only a few can be so appointed, and they
would
> get in on group-owner messages, but it might work in a special
situation.
>
>

Although this could be done, that was not the question asked, rather
it was about excluding certain members from seeing certain parts of
the group site.  Most features can be set to allow access by
moderators but not members.  However you are limited to 15 total
owners and moderators combined.

It is not possible to give a moderator zero powers.  They have some
just by being a moderator, even with no boxes checked.  They have
access to any web tools that are set to moderators only.  They can,
for example, view and download the members list, edit move or delete
files, links, photos and calendar events posted by other moderators or
members, and delete anyone's posts from the archives.  Only if these
features are turned off completely can moderators be kept out.  They
can also view the management logs.

It is difficult for me to see many situations in which having all but
a few of the members of a group as moderators would be useful solely
as a means of restricting other member's privileges.

GrizzlyBear

Can another group owner be put in place?   Or does no-one want to step
up to the plate?   Can you give the group members a choice?   Ask for
someone to become a co-owner (that you trust), or tell them the group
will be deleted.    What is the point of keeping a failing group?

--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, "MommieAngel" wrote:
Does anyone have any sugestions for a failing group when the owner is
back in school and the other 2 helpers cant do anything with the group
but ppl just hang around. We are a Mommies group and everyone had to
do something until i went to college and now the rules have changes.
Julie

Hi I am a new member of this group and I wish I'd know you
were around sooner, (maybe I wouldn't be bald, now) jk LOL.
It seems like a helpful group, so here goes. I'll start with
2 questions.

1.)A friend asked:
> I have a few groups but recently I have been getting
> spammed by myself! I don't understand what is going on
> but the spam sent is from my group address. How do I
> stop 'myself'? I can't really ban myself from my own
> group. Thanks in advance.

2.)I like the Groups feature at the top of my window,
but all my groups aren't listed. I tried to research how
to add groups, but all I find is how they won't be listed
once you leave... grrr.  HELP?


THANKS,
Susie

I've thrown this question out into the Yahoo ether several times, and have had
no response. When I post a message on my group page, the text is not rendered
properly when it is subsequently called up to view.  The lines do not wrap
properly, a condition that I can correct by options in the right hand side bar. 
This was not always the case. I'm wondering if my Vista operating system has
something to do with it. 


[Mod note: These results are usually related to settings in your email
client. What you describe are typical of default settings of mail clients
bundled in all versions of Windows.]

Ok I've searched the forum on this and found several answers but when I
am in the management section of my group I don't an edit or save
button. Does Yahoo not give you the option to change your group name
anymore?

TIA

Click thusly:

Management -- Group Settings Category - Edit Description & Appearance
-- Edit Web Address (which is also your group's name).

OR

Home Page - Click Edit above description, then Edit Web Address.


--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, "Janis Gowen" wrote:
>
> Ok I've searched the forum on this and found several answers but when I
> am in the management section of my group I don't an edit or save
> button. Does Yahoo not give you the option to change your group name
> anymore?
>

--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <susie46385@...> wrote:
>
> ...
>
> 1.)A friend asked:
> > I have a few groups but recently I have been getting
> > spammed by myself! I don't understand what is going on
> > but the spam sent is from my group address. How do I
> > stop 'myself'? I can't really ban myself from my own
> > group. Thanks in advance.

If you mean that your group is getting spammed by someone who is
spoofing the owner's or moderator's email address, there are two
solutions.  You can get a different address and unsub that one, or you
can moderate it, thus stopping the spam before it gets to the group.

I frequently get spam sent to me directly that appears to come from my
own address.  That is a common spammer technique.  I have a filter in
my email that looks for messages having both the From and To addresses
as being mine, and puts those messages directly in the Trash.

>
> 2.)I like the Groups feature at the top of my window,
> but all my groups aren't listed. I tried to research how
> to add groups, but all I find is how they won't be listed
> once you leave...

I'm not sure which window you mean.  Please elaborate.  What page are
you on?

I posted this to Yahoo's Moderator Central and did not get a reply so
I thought I would try again here:

The instructions for deleting a Yahoo ID seem to imply that all
content posted by a member of a group will be deleted from the group
files if they cancel their Yahoo ID.

http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/my/regi...

"By terminating your account, you will lose access to your Yahoo! ID,
Yahoo! Mail, and profile names. **We will also delete your account
data and settings across the Yahoo! network.** This includes any
contents in:

* Yahoo! Mail
* Yahoo! Address Book
* etc, etc,
* Yahoo! Groups
* Any other area of Yahoo! that can only be accessed with your Yahoo!
ID and password"


Am I reading this correctly or do they mean that only the membership
will be deleted? Are all messages, links and files related to that ID
deleted from the group website if the member cancels their ID? Does
anyone know if this actually happens?

If so, could this also happen if the member's ID was
canceled/disabled/deactivated by Yahoo, either for cause or
mistakenly, as I have read about in so many messages on the Moderator
Central board?

Two of us have posted the majority of the files and links on our
group. This has us concerned as we would hate to have to reenter them
if our ID's should ever be inadvertently canceled.

Thanks for any responses to these questions.

Hello ! I am MIRCEA POPA from Romania ,and I am a sociologist.I am a graduate
of National School of Politics-Faculty of Politics (SNSPA) in Bucharest
,Romania.I want to express my indignation about YAHOO GROUPS POLICY concerning
the right of OWNERS to approve the membership of the group.Because the owning of
the group could be a dirty bussines for some owners to use their quality to
pretend money to those who want to become members of the group.The fact is,that
in the SNSPA some owners of the Yahogroups abuse their qualities to intimidate
the students who have courage to denounce the frauds committed by some PHD`s
concerning their scholarship taxes.For example some Yahoogroups are configured
to have the MEMBERSHIP RESTRICTED.If a student express their reevolt concerning
the treatments of some teachers,he could be banned or remove from some
groups,who stored on the FILES sections some useful materials.
The BAN is a punishment for daring of criticize some policies of the
  school including taxes and exams. The student could be unable to find out some
informations and some materials to read for the exams.If the BANNED student is
in the final year and need to pass that exam to obtain the BA degree,he will be
unable to receive an information concerning that exam,it will be a drama for
him,but a good and dirty bussiness for the school ,who pretend an additional
scholar tax for the repetition of the college year.This is what happened on my
former school.Some groups about some courses are restricted to force students to
SHUT their mouth for not being banned from the groups.

   In 2006 I express my opinion about a person who abuse their membership to post
the messages with satanic content.I was banned by the OWNER of the GROUP,the
main Yahoogroup of SNSPA and I learned that the owner libelled me ,making some
untrue affirmations in front of my former colleagues,for the purpose of
deliberately destroy my reputation and my credibility.It`s because I demanded a
transparency from the rulers of the school concerning the using of schoolar
taxes and how are used for paying the PHDs salaries.I learned that some owners
of the groups,who are students and a former college mates received an order from
the chiefs of the school to restrict the groups.

   Another problem consists in the using of Yahoogroups for criminal purposes.For
example in my former school SNSPA there are many Master Degree Programs and some
students use YAHOOGROUPS for storing the materials about their courses,who are
taken from USA peer review universitary websites.So,they deliberately restrict
the groups only to force people from the outside of the group to pay money to
the owner,or to pay money to secretary of the faculty to be accepted of the
group So ,for example if someone wants to obtain the informations about a Master
Degree program of SNSPA,and find the group about this program using Yahoogroups
search engine,noting that is a restricted group,he will ask the OWNER to be
accepted on the group.But his membership was denied every time by the group
owner,only to force him to pay money to him for being approved as a group
member.Last spring I tried to JOIN a group about a Master Degree Program.

The owner told me that the group is just for the
  students attending that Master Program and also told me to ask the secretary of
the school the information about the Master Degree Program.I understand that
this is suggestion to PAY MONEY to some of the lecturers or secretaries of the
school to be accepted as memnber of the group.So for a person who want to obtain
the informations about Master Degree Program,the only way is to join the
YAHOOGROUP about that course to be convinced if it is worth to apply or to
attend that Master Degre Program.But many Romanian PHDs of SNSPA,for that Master
Degree Programs are just a money making machine, feared that ,if the groups are
not restricted,the persons who want to attend Master Degree Programs will obtain
the information about Master Degree and he will be not satisfied of the quality
of the courses.That`s why they ordered the students OWNERS of Master Degree
courses YAHOOGROUPS to restrict the acces of the group.
This is what I learned from some students of SNSPA,who`s memberships
  of the YAHOOGROUP about Master Degree was denied every time.

   So I present some arguments that the OWNERS or MODERATORS of YAHOOGROUPS must
not have a right to restrict the acces to an YAHOOGROUP or ,in the other words
to accept or deny the membership of an YAHOOGROUP.The YAHOOGROUP is a free space
where everyone who is interested in a subject must join free the group without
having approval of someone.So the owner or moderator must restrict the right of
posting messages ,not the MEMBERSHIP.

   So what will happen to a group,if the OWNER of a restricted YAHOOGROUP
died,God Forbidden,in the plane crash of in the earthquake?


[Mod note: There is no inherent right to free speech or association
in Yahoo Groups. They are benign dictatorships, kingly paradises,
or chaotic rabble, but they are *not* democratic or inalienable in any way.]

I am so sorry you have had a bad experience. As, you have righteous
indignation on your side. However, as the owner of several grief recovery
groups...my sites are moderated and we do deny membership or ban those who
are found to be trouble makers and liars.

Imagine if you will, we had a woman come into the group claiming her son was
one of the first four soldiers killed in Iraq. And, further, that her
daughter was killed on 9\11 in the twin towers. She then described having to
identify her daughter. Her description was very much the same as my own
description of viewing my daughter's crime scene photo. Fortunately, we have
police officers who are members as well as friends outside of the group who
are not members. Several checked this woman out and found she was being
dishonest in her claims.

Some of her posts were very hurtful toward other members. It is because of
her and yes, others, who misrepresent themselves that we have to have these
options available to us. I hope Yahoo never removes these options.

Love
Lillie

You are right concerning your problems.So the owner of a group must
have the right to ban or restrict posting messages of the group,but
not to deny or accept membership,because this feature is used by
some owners for criminal and imoral purpose,like pretending money to
become member of the group or libelling someone who was banned who
is absent from the group.So Yahoo will provide to us a FREE
WONDERFULL service like yahoogroups without pretending money for
that.But some people abuse YAHOO GROUP services to pretend money
from people outside the group to become members of the group.Or,if
someone is banned from the group because he made some disclosures
about ,for example the misuse of tax scholar,that person will be a
target of some people of the group who will make a libellous
affirmations about him.

What do you think if a small group of former inmates create a
restricted YAHOOGROUPS for exchanging the information about their
next burglary or a terrorist act? I think that THE ACCEPT/DENY
MEMBERSHIP feature of the OWNER of the group encourage that some
people use YAHOGROUPS for criminal purpose,because they think that
no one will know about their future criminal acts.


[Mod note:  Yahoo is not a government and is not required to honor
the Bill of Rights, Magna Carta, et. al. The use of Yahoo Groups must
NOT violate TOS or Guidelines. You will find links to TOS and Guidelines
at the bottom of EVERY Yahoo page. Report TOS violations.]



--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, "Lillie" wrote:
>
> I am so sorry you have had a bad experience. As, you have righteous
> indignation on your side. However, as the owner of several grief recovery
> groups...my sites are moderated and we do deny membership or ban those who
> are found to be trouble makers and liars.
>
> Imagine if you will, we had a woman come into the group claiming her son was
> one of the first four soldiers killed in Iraq. And, further, that her
> daughter was killed on 9\11 in the twin towers. She then described having to
> identify her daughter. Her description was very much the same as my own
> description of viewing my daughter's crime scene photo. Fortunately, we have
> police officers who are members as well as friends outside of the group who
> are not members. Several checked this woman out and found she was being
> dishonest in her claims.
>

I am a moderator of the group and I need to delete it.  The person
that usually did everything is no longer part of it and I'm not sure
what I can do.  When I go to the management page I can't seem to find
the delete group button so I guess I have to be the owner.  Is there
anything I can do as the moderator?


[Mod note: Your mod privileges don't extend to deleting the group.]

This morning I got a couple of spams from someone who apparently is
also in a yahoo group wanting me to join  grouply.  They were sent
direct to my email address which should not be exposed anywhere on
yahoo as far as I know.

Howsis it that grouply seems to be able to harvest email addresses
from yahoo groups?  Is this not a direct violation of yahoo's TOS?

Message as is appeared is below

[SNIPPAGE]


[Mod note: Grouply doesn't harvest them. The Grouply user allows access to
their Address BookS and INITIATES the invitationS. Once more with feeling:
IDIOT Grouply *USERS* DO THIS - VOLUNTARILY - because they are STUPID
about how this works and what it means! READ BELOW CAREFULLY, and all
is made clear!]

>
>====================
> Click
>
<http://www.grouply.co/unsubscribe.php>here
> to block all emails from Grouply, 495 Seaport Court, Suite 103,
> Redwood City, CA 94063. This message was sent to you by a fellow
> group member who uses Grouply instead of email to access your shared
> group. Grouply blocks additional invitations like this from being
> sent to you by anyone for 30 days. For more on how Grouply maintains
> privacy and protects you, see http://blog.grouply.com/protect/ .

If you go to management and you don't see a place to delete the group
then the owner did not leave you the power to delete the group.You can
if you have the power to make a member of the group moderator you can
go click on members and pick some one that wants the group and under
there id click edit member and click make moderator and put check mark
in all the boxes you can and clock save.This will make them
moderator.Then you can leave group if you wish.

In my opinion if Yahoo Groups did not allow the owner of a group the
ability to control the membership (or not as he/she desires) you would
see total bedlam from spammers.  If they were to take that step I would
that my marbles and play elsewhere.

David
NW NC

MIRCEA POPA wrote:
> You are right concerning your problems.So the owner of a group must
> have the right to ban or restrict posting messages of the group,but
> not to deny or accept membership,because this feature is used by
> some owners for criminal and imoral purpose,like pretending money to
> become member of the group or libelling someone who was banned who
> is absent from the group.So Yahoo will provide to us a FREE
> WONDERFULL service like yahoogroups without pretending money for
> that.But some people abuse YAHOO GROUP services to pretend money
> from people outside the group to become members of the group.Or,if
> someone is banned from the group because he made some disclosures
> about ,for example the misuse of tax scholar,that person will be a
> target of some people of the group who will make a libellous
> affirmations about him.
>
> What do you think if a small group of former inmates create a
> restricted YAHOOGROUPS for exchanging the information about their
> next burglary or a terrorist act? I think that THE ACCEPT/DENY
> MEMBERSHIP feature of the OWNER of the group encourage that some
> people use YAHOGROUPS for criminal purpose,because they think that
> no one will know about their future criminal acts.
>
>
> [Mod note:  Yahoo is not a government and is not required to honor
> the Bill of Rights, Magna Carta, et. al. The use of Yahoo Groups must
> NOT violate TOS or Guidelines. You will find links to TOS and Guidelines
> at the bottom of EVERY Yahoo page. Report TOS violations.]

If the ID is the registered as the sole owner the entire group will be
deleted (or more precisely 'become unavailable') However I have files
and links which were originally posted from now defunct id's which
still remain on my groups.

STU

--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, lagringalaceiba
<no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> I posted this to Yahoo's Moderator Central and did not get a reply so
> I thought I would try again here:
>
> The instructions for deleting a Yahoo ID seem to imply that all
> content posted by a member of a group will be deleted from the group
> files if they cancel their Yahoo ID.

If someone join the group to spam others,the owner have the right to
exclude or ban the spammer.It`s very simple.But not to restrict the
group.The fact is that some owners of YAHOOGROUPS pretend money to
others from outside the group to join the group,especially the
university group.This is not fair.The YAHOOGROUP is a free space
offered to everyone who lives on Earth and must not be used for
dirty money or terrorist and criminal purposes by some group of
people.

When a group is restricted and configured not to view the MESSAGES
HISTORY ,could you tell me:how someone could report TOS violation?

I was a victim of some of my former college mates who,two years
ago,created a YAHOOGROUP for the purpose of libelling me and to
discredit me ,because I know that some of my former colleges bribed
some teacher to obtain good mark at BA university exam.They create a
restricted group and invite some of former colleagues to tell
everything bad about me on their group.


--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, David Bruce  wrote:
>
> In my opinion if Yahoo Groups did not allow the owner of a group the
> ability to control the membership (or not as he/she desires) you would
> see total bedlam from spammers.  If they were to take that step I would
> that my marbles and play elsewhere.
>


[Mod note: Sounds like a personal problem. Take it up with
the authorities. (Hint: That would NOT be Yahoo.)]

Two things you can do to stop email from grouply addresses...

1.  go to grouply and opt out any groups you own.

2.  place "grouply.com" (without the quotes) in your email clients
blocked sender list.

Don


[Mod: 3. Go to Grouply and opt-out your personal email address. SEE BELOW!]

----- Original Message -----
>
> [SNIPPAGE]
>
>
> [Mod note: Grouply doesn't harvest them. The Grouply user allows
> access to
> their Address BookS and INITIATES the invitationS. Once more with
> feeling:
> IDIOT Grouply *USERS* DO THIS - VOLUNTARILY - because they are
> STUPID
> about how this works and what it means! READ BELOW CAREFULLY, and
> all
> is made clear!]
>
>>
>>====================
>> Click
>>
> <http://www.grouply.co/unsubscribe.php>here
>> to block all emails from Grouply, 495 Seaport Court, Suite 103,
>> Redwood City, CA 94063. This message was sent to you by a fellow
>> group member who uses Grouply instead of email to access your
>> shared
>> group. Grouply blocks additional invitations like this from being
>> sent to you by anyone for 30 days. For more on how Grouply
>> maintains
>> privacy and protects you, see http://blog.grouply.com/protect/ .
>

Since you can not delete the group you could simulate a deletion by
making the group features inaccessible  and/or banning/removing
existing members.  I would also delete or edit all info from the
groups home page and change the description to read "This group is
deleted". That will have the same effect as deleting it.

I strongly encourage you to try to contact the owner before taking
such drastic actions.  If you know the reason the owner is absent you
might be able to get Yahoogroups to delete it or at least provide some
better guidance on how to deal with the problem.  Be advised though
that for years and years Yahoogroups customer service has been far
from accessible and even less helpful.  This is doubly so (and
justified) when a non-owner is seeking to usurp the powers, authority
or responsibilities of the owner.

Don

----- Original Message -----
From: "mj.marino" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
To: <GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:02 AM
Subject: [GMF] I need to delete one of my groups


>I am a moderator of the group and I need to delete it.  <snip>  Is
>there
> anything I can do as the moderator?
>
>
> [Mod note: Your mod privileges don't extend to deleting the group.]

I agree with David...

One more thing, Mircea, by your account if there were indeed criminal
entrerprises being done in these groups, don't you think Yahoo itself
would be aware of it? I seriously doubt they would allow a criminally
motivated group to act within their fold without taking action.
Moreover, why would any criminal implicate themselves in any crime by
posting about it in a group that can be tracked and later used
against them in court?

Groups owners SHOULD have the right to ACCEPT/DENY/Ban members when
those individuals do not meet the standards they hae set for the
group or if they are disruptive to the espirit decor of the group.
As David stated, we hae to keep spammers and people who ARE looking
to do something illegal or immoral from becoming members. Our best
tool in doing that is the ability to ban these people from becoming
members.

The system isn't perfect but it works.

Jaxx
BKWWQ


--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, David Bruce
<tractor57@...> wrote:
>
> In my opinion if Yahoo Groups did not allow the owner of a group
the
> ability to control the membership (or not as he/she desires) you
would
> see total bedlam from spammers.  If they were to take that step I
would
> that my marbles and play elsewhere.
>
> David
> NW NC
>
> MIRCEA POPA wrote:
> > You are right concerning your problems.So the owner of a group
must
> > have the right to ban or restrict posting messages of the
group,but
> > not to deny or accept membership,because this feature is used by
> > some owners for criminal and imoral purpose,like pretending money
to
> > become member of the group or libelling someone who was banned
who
> > is absent from the group.So Yahoo will provide to us a FREE
> > WONDERFULL service like yahoogroups without pretending money for
> > that.But some people abuse YAHOO GROUP services to pretend money
> > from people outside the group to become members of the
group.Or,if
> > someone is banned from the group because he made some disclosures
> > about ,for example the misuse of tax scholar,that person will be
a
> > target of some people of the group who will make a libellous
> > affirmations about him.
> >
> > What do you think if a small group of former inmates create a
> > restricted YAHOOGROUPS for exchanging the information about their
> > next burglary or a terrorist act? I think that THE ACCEPT/DENY
> > MEMBERSHIP feature of the OWNER of the group encourage that some
> > people use YAHOGROUPS for criminal purpose,because they think
that
> > no one will know about their future criminal acts.
> >
> >
> > [Mod note:  Yahoo is not a government and is not required to honor
> > the Bill of Rights, Magna Carta, et. al. The use of Yahoo Groups
must
> > NOT violate TOS or Guidelines. You will find links to TOS and
Guidelines
> > at the bottom of EVERY Yahoo page. Report TOS violations.]
>

There is someone our sending invites to some unknown Yahoo group, how  do we
report this?  They've hit me twice now.  At 2 different  addresses.


Billie




[Mod note: To report such things, you will need to supply MUCH more,
and much more SPECIFIC, information.]

--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, mj.marino <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> I am a moderator of the group and I need to delete it.  The person
> that usually did everything is no longer part of it and I'm not sure
> what I can do.  When I go to the management page I can't seem to find
> the delete group button so I guess I have to be the owner.  Is there
> anything I can do as the moderator?
>
>
> [Mod note: Your mod privileges don't extend to deleting the group.]
>

Go to the Members list, click the Moderators tab.  Under your own
name, click the Edit Membership icon (the little yellow pencil).  You
will see your membership settings, including the moderator powers you
have been granted.

IF you were given the power to Add Remove and Change Moderator
Privileges, you can also give yourself the power to delete the group.
  Otherwise, there is nothing you can do to delete it.  However...

IF you have the power to Change Group Settings, you can effectively
shut the group down by setting group membership to Closed, and
turning off posting and archives. if you have the power you can also
remove all current members.  You can if you wish also delete all
content from Files, Links, and Photos and clear the calendar.  Then
relinquish your Moderator status and leave the group. With no members,
no moderator, and no activity, eventually Yahoo will delete the group.
  In the meantime it will not appear to exist.

If you have none of these powers there is nothing you can do, except
try to talk Yahoo into giving them to you.  Not an easy task.

GrizzlyBear

--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, "MIRCEA POPA"
<mirceapopa79@...> wrote:
>
> You are right concerning your problems.So the owner of a group must
> have the right to ban or restrict posting messages of the group,but
> not to deny or accept membership,because this feature is used by
> some owners for criminal and imoral purpose,like pretending money to
> become member of the group or libelling someone who was banned who
> is absent from the group.So Yahoo will provide to us a FREE
> WONDERFULL service like yahoogroups without pretending money for
> that.But some people abuse YAHOO GROUP services to pretend money
> from people outside the group to become members of the group.

It is against the Yahoo TOS to charge money to join a group, or use a
group as a business to make money.  Libeling someone on a group is
also against the TOS, and may be grounds for a lawsuit.  Complaints to
Yahoo, rather than the group owner, may well result in these groups
being deleted.  If enough of their groups get deleted, perhaps this
school will do what it should have done, set up its own website.

There is also a contractual matter involved - if you paid money to the
school for a class, they have made a contract with you for this
service.  If the teacher, who is an employee of the school, or someone
else who does not have authority to break this contract deprives you
of the service you are entitled to by simply kicking you out of a
Yahoogroup, you may sue for damages for breach of contract.  At least
that is how it would work in most countries, not sure about yours.
Perhaps you should consult a lawyer.

These are pretty strong allegations. IF you have valid, backup proof of this
..why have you not reported them to the Yahoo abuse and\or FBI or Internet
Policing?

I tell you this...IF someone were abusing one or more of my members to the
point of exacting monies from them, and, I could prove it, I would report
them right now.

Mircea, there are many mean spirited people in this world. Sadly, the
Internet has become one of their tools to heap abuse on others. You can do
one of two things. Allow them to use and abuse you, or, take the power they
seem to hold over you, back. IF you are in CONTROL, they cannot hurt you no
matter what they do or say.

Lies have short legs Mircea. They are soon found out. You own actions will
soon put your reputation to rights. I wish you well.

I hope this helps you

Love
Lillie

[Mod Note: TOPIC CLOSED. The airing of personal grievances in GMF is
not related to GMF's topic of managing Yahoo Groups. Nor does it
comply with GMF's mission to maintain a "resource of highest quality"
for our readers and other group managers. Sorry to hear of your
troubles, but previous discussions on this topic have pretty much
covered all group management issues related to your personal problems.]




All that you said looks very idealistic in Romania,who is a former
communist country,where many mobsters who become illegaly rich after
the Fall of Communist control every domqain like
Justice,Education ,Politics.I make a complaint to Police ,and they
said that Romanian law have no jurisdiction in the matter of
electronic abuses.

You must understand that not all the countries have tough
reglementation in the matter of law concerning electronic abuses
like American law.

It`s a very good that the OWNER of Y ! groups must not have a right
of ACCES/ DENY MEMBERS,but must BAN Members who abuse their in the
YAHOOGROUPS.This is a way to prevent some abuses of some OWNERS of
YAHOOGROUPS like BANNING and then LIBELLING the BANNED member
without he/she knows about that.Or pretending money to become member
of the group.You can`t prove that someone pretend money because if
you want to join the group about a Master Degree program to obtain
informations about it,your membership will be denied every time to
force you to give money,because you want informations about Master
Degree.If all yahoogroup are not restricted ,you will join that
group to obtain all that you need about the course and after
that,you will decide whether it`s worth or not to attend that Master
Degree (for example the school matters are not so interesting).

That is my problem encountered concerning YAHOOGROUPS.Two years ago
I make some disclosures on some of YAHOOGROUPS about the misuiuse of
scholarship taxes,and that`s why some OWNERS of YAHOOGROUPS received
orders to deny my memnership to most of SNSPA restricted groups.
Mr.Grizzly ,do you understand that some Romanian PHD deliberately
fail students to obtain a lot of money from the taxes of re-
examinations? Or to force students in the final year to repeat the
college year,paying additional money? In Romania ,I think that is
very frequent in some schools.

--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, "GrizzlyBear"
<grizzlybear406@...> wrote:
>
> --- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, "MIRCEA POPA"
> <mirceapopa79@> wrote:
> >
> > You are right concerning your problems.So the owner of a group
must
> > have the right to ban or restrict posting messages of the
group,but
> > not to deny or accept membership,because this feature is used by
> > some owners for criminal and imoral purpose,like pretending
money to
> > become member of the group or libelling someone who was banned
who
> > is absent from the group.So Yahoo will provide to us a FREE
> > WONDERFULL service like yahoogroups without pretending money for
> > that.But some people abuse YAHOO GROUP services to pretend money
> > from people outside the group to become members of the group.
>
> It is against the Yahoo TOS to charge money to join a group, or
use a
> group as a business to make money.  Libeling someone on a group is
> also against the TOS, and may be grounds for a lawsuit.
Complaints to
> Yahoo, rather than the group owner, may well result in these groups
> being deleted.  If enough of their groups get deleted, perhaps this
> school will do what it should have done, set up its own website.
>
> There is also a contractual matter involved - if you paid money to
the
> school for a class, they have made a contract with you for this
> service.  If the teacher, who is an employee of the school, or
someone
> else who does not have authority to break this contract deprives
you
> of the service you are entitled to by simply kicking you out of a
> Yahoogroup, you may sue for damages for breach of contract.  At
least
> that is how it would work in most countries, not sure about yours.
> Perhaps you should consult a lawyer.
>

Why not tell everyone the owner has vanished so you`ll strart a new
group,and could everyone join it?


----- Original Message -----

> From: "mj.marino"
>
>
> I am a moderator of the group and I need to delete it.  <snip>  Is
> there
> anything I can do as the moderator?

I want to know how to invite people who are not in my mailing list ,
from Internet or something  to join my Groups


Thanks all

Sorry, I was so vague. I couldn't think of the term "Menubar." LOL

Generally whenever I join a group, I get a prompt asking if I want it

added to my "Groups" shortcut on the menuboard. Well I guess I missed

the prompt cuz they're not all there. I like the convenience of the

pull-down list rather than going to the My Groups main page. I just

can't seem to find out how to add the missing groups. Hope this makes

it clearer.

Thanks,

Susan

[Mod note: This "Menubar" is some kind of add-on you have in your browser
or something? It doesn't sound like something common to all users.]



--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, "GrizzlyBear" wrote:
> I'm not sure which window you mean. Please elaborate. What page are
> you on?
>
> --- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote:
> >
> > I like the Groups feature at the top of my window,
> > but all my groups aren't listed. I tried to research how
> > to add groups, but all I find is how they won't be listed
> > once you leave...

--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <susie46385@...>
wrote:
>
> Sorry, I was so vague. I couldn't think of the term "Menubar." LOL

Are you refering to the Yahoo! Toolbar with the Groups button?

The correct term is the Yahoo Toolbar.  It is an add-on from Yahoo for
IE and Firefox.

Try refreshing the toolbar from the settings button.

Don


----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan"

> Sorry, I was so vague. I couldn't think of the term "Menubar." LOL
>
>
> [Mod note: This "Menubar" is some kind of add-on you have in your
> browser
> or something? It doesn't sound like something common to all users.]
>