Restrict membership - new members must be approved.
Moderation for ALL new members - throw out spammers before they get started. You
can put them off moderation when you're sure they're not spammers
Keep archives members only or no archives at all. - this prevents address
harvesting



 
 

--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, "BSAMOM" <cknie23100@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> This might seem like a very simple question. But how do you know (besides
possible lag time) if you are on moderation in a group? I know I wasn't for a
short while but now it seems I am again, and I wanted to confirm.
> Obviously I cannot see the membership list for that particular group.



If the receive your posts via email, just display the email header and look for
the "X-eGroups-Approved-By" comment.  It's usually near the end of the header. 
That comment will show you who approved your post, and when.  [If there is no
"approved by" comment, then you are not being moderated.]

If you read your posts on the website, I don't know of a way to determine
whether you are being moderated.  You might want to temporarily change to email
so that you can read the headers.

I'm sure that others will chime in if there is a better way.

Best,
~CJ


[Mod Note: the X-eGroups-Approved-By header field is present if a
  message was moderated, regardless of whether it was posted by email
  or on the site. It is also visible in the View Source display in the
  Messages archive.]

The last message shows at the top on the Home Page on all of my groups as a
matter of course, but at the bottom of the page when I click to see the message
list... I'm not sure how you can change the settings for the order to
change...At least, I've never seen any place where you can make the edit.

Sonia



Amanda Brown <breezy32404@...> wrote:
I am the group owner and cant get the messages to post the last one I sent at
the top.

> [Mod Note: the X-eGroups-Approved-By header field is present if a
>  message was moderated, regardless of whether it was posted by email
>  or on the site. It is also visible in the View Source display in the
>  Messages archive.]



Yes, the header field would be present regardless of the posting method.  In my
reply, I was focusing only on where she read her messages.

I had forgotten about the View Source display in the archive, as I never use it.
Thanks for reminding me.  Since I receive all of my group messages via email, I
naturally look to my email headers for info.

Best,
~CJ

nowfuchsfree,

> Is there anything in the group setup that is like honey to a bee for spammers?

One might think, as a group with open membership, archives open to the public
(and therefor indexed by search engines), and listed in the Yahoo Groups
directory, that GMF would be about as attractive a honeypot as any group could
be.

The only thing we could do to be more open would be to allow non-members to
post.

Yet relatively few spam messages arrive in our Pending folder, recently about
10% of total posts. Of 116 messages logged so far in April, 91 were approved and
7 were bounced (not a member). Of the 18 rejected messages only 3 were what I'd
call "spam", 2 contained only a quote, the rest were largely misdirected
(personal replies, messages for -owner, etc.).

> Anything that, without being set a certain way attracts spammers, but
> closes the door if it is changed?  If so, what can we do to make it less
> likely for spammers to find?

The biggest factor, no doubt, is that over the last few years Yahoo has become
very effective at rejecting or dropping spam-bot generated messages before they
ever reach our Pending folder. Moderation is probably the key to GMF's low
attraction of human spammers -- all messages here are moderated. The three I
call spam seemed clearly to have been compromised email accounts (and in one
case that was confirmed by the account holder).

If you don't want to moderate all messages, then I'd go with what seems to be
the majority advice here: at least moderate messages from new members, even if
you have restricted membership.

As to finding your group, that's a double-edged sword. You can take your group
out of the Groups directory, and even hide your home page (closed membership
does that). But then how do potential members find you? If there's an alternate
answer to that for your group then those steps may be acceptable or worthwhile.

-- Shal

Scott Thompson, Yahoo's new CEO, has completly reorganized Yahoo's org chart.
Here is the email memo  he sent to employees in its entitety.

[I copied and pasted it from  Kara Swisher's April 10 article:
<http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/yahoo-c-e-o-hints-at-a-strategy/>.]

I assume if it is OK for her to publish it, it should be OK for us too, after
all we are all Yahoo (unpaid) employees]:

- - -

Yahoos –
It's time for Yahoo! to move forward, and fast. And as we do, I want every one
of us to keep one thing top of mind: what we do is about our customers, not
about us. For Yahoo! to win in our core business, every one of us must put our
customers first. Specifically, we must focus all we do on the users who trust us
to give them personalized content and communications, and the advertisers who
want to connect with our users. To be very clear, our highest priority is
winning in our core business and that will earn us the right to pursue new
growth opportunities.

To accomplish that we're establishing a new leadership structure, organizing all
of our activities around Yahoo!'s customers. Effective May 1, Yahoo! will
operate in three groups — Consumer, Regions and Technology — all supported by
our established Corporate teams. Each of the three groups will be charged with
delivering the best customer experiences and have very clear accountability for
getting results.

Our new Consumer group will be all about creating great, engaging user
experiences. Our geographic Regions will serve our advertisers and agencies and
be accountable for all Yahoo! revenue. Our Technology teams will provide the
advanced infrastructure, technology and science to enable our Consumer group and
the Regions to deliver our best products and experiences into market, at scale,
and fast.

Consumer

Our success is determined by how well we engage consumers and give them fun and
informative experiences that they feel were designed just for them, on all
screens. Our Consumer group will include three units — Media, Connections, and
Commerce — and each will provide users the uniquely relevant and personalized
content and services they expect and deserve, leveraging Yahoo!'s vast consumer
interest data. We will redouble our focus on Yahoo!'s competitive advantage —
our core, owned and operated (O&O) consumer properties. And importantly, we are
bringing dedicated product engineering resources into each unit, much closer to
our users.

• Media Our online media presence has long been our company's clearest
competitive advantage. Our Media group, led by Ross Levinsohn, will include all
our media businesses globally with our marquee properties at the forefront:
Homepage, News, Finance, Sports, and Entertainment. We will bring  design and
engineering talent and differentiated technology — like Yahoo!'s Publishing
Platform (YPP) — into close partnership with content producers and editors. Ross
and his team will continue to drive real differentiation into our leading media
experiences, including everything from our original coverage of breaking news
events to tentpole events like the Royal Wedding and the upcoming Olympics and
US Elections.

• Connections will be led by Shashi Seth, and include consumer businesses that
connect and inform our users including Search, Communications and Social
properties such as Mail, Messenger, Flickr, Answers, and more. The highest
priority for Shashi and his team will be to think well beyond how users search,
communicate and share online today. The Connections team is charged with
fundamentally re-imagining how we design and deliver the next generation of
these foundational Yahoo! experiences.

• Commerce We will renew our focus on commerce, and I expect this newly created
team to play a critical role in Yahoo!'s future growth. Our Commerce teams will
build on Yahoo!'s massive reach and strong consumer relationships, but their
charter will go beyond traditional ecommerce. The focus of this team will be
driving higher ROI for advertisers and agencies that reach users on Yahoo! by
closing the loop for them between user interests, advertiser spend, consumer
intent, and purchase behavior. The foundation of the new Commerce group will be
Autos, Shopping, Travel, Jobs, Personals and Real Estate. We expect to name the
leadership of this business unit shortly.

Regions

Advertisers and agencies are the primary customers and focus for each of our
three regions. Our regional sales teams will be the advocate and voice for our
advertising customers: listening to them and driving their needs into the
products we develop. Regional sales must bring urgency and tenacious sales
execution to all we do for advertisers. In addition, these teams will leverage
our unique and vast data resources to position Yahoo! as the place to connect
with users and generate the best, measurable ROI on their ad spend.

• Americas will be led by Rich Riley, who led the team responsible for
extraordinary strides in EMEA in recent years putting the region on a path of
consistent engagement and revenue growth, as well as meaningful market share and
profit gains. Rich will be moving from Europe to our New York office soon.

• APAC, which includes many of our fastest-growing countries and strongest
consumer products, will continue under the exceptional leadership of Rose Tsou.

• EMEA will be led on an interim basis by Christophe Parcot, EMEA's regional
sales leader, as we commence the search for a new leader for the region.

Americas, EMEA, and APAC will be fully accountable for Yahoo!'s revenue in their
respective regions. I expect our Regional leaders and teams to work in very
close collaboration with Ross and our other Consumer group leaders to fully
align their goals for revenue and engagement as well as their execution, keeping
our users and advertisers top of mind.

Technology

Our Consumer group and the Regions will continue to be supported by some of the
most talented technology professionals in the industry, providing the advanced
platforms and technology that allow Yahoo! to deliver great customer products.

• Core Platforms, led by Mark Morrissey, will provide the foundational
platforms, technology, and research to enable great customer products and
leverage Yahoo!'s vast data stores to enable deep personalization and optimized
monetization. Mark's teams will lead Apt, RMX, User Data & Analytics, our
content optimization relevance engine (CORE), Yahoo! Labs and other key
technology functions.

• Central Technology will continue to be led by David Dibble and include our
data center and service engineering efforts, as well as our cloud infrastructure
teams.

Yahoo! has made real progress in building modern, scalable platforms and
infrastructure, but to move at the rapid pace our customers and our industry
require we need more than scalable technology. This is among the most important
changes we're making: we must bring some of our best product designers and
engineers much, much closer to consumer needs and demands. Many of our top
engineers will continue building on our foundation platforms and technology to
continue to drive speed and scale. But to ensure we really know and can serve
our customers, we'll also deploy top design and engineering talent into our
Consumer business units, directly supporting our users' favorite Yahoo! products
to ensure we move much faster and meet customer needs with every product we
deliver.

Corporate

Our major corporate functions will continue to support these new groups.
Finance, Legal, and HR will remain under the strong leadership of CFO Tim Morse,
General Counsel Mike Callahan, and Chief HR Officer David Windley, respectively.
As we search for a Chief Marketing Officer, Penny Baldwin will serve as interim
leader for the Corporate Marketing and Communications teams. John Kremer will
lead a newly-created Transformation team that will ensure full implementation of
and accountability for our restructuring and related organizational changes.

Chief Product Officer Blake Irving has decided to leave Yahoo! and will work
closely with the new leaders over the next several weeks to ensure a smooth
transition. He has made a tremendous contribution to the advancement of Yahoo!'s
product strategy and execution over the last two years and I know you will join
me in wishing him all the best in the future.

You will hear more from our business leaders about their plans to move each of
these groups forward in the coming days and weeks. As we look to Yahoo!'s
future, all of us must remember to always keep our customers first in everything
we do. Ultimately, only our customers will decide whether we win or lose in the
market.

I look forward to speaking with you at our All Hands Tuesday. If you have
questions before we meet, please check Backyard for information and answers. If
you don't see the answers you need, please post questions on Backyard, or you
may email questions directly to the leadership team.

Scott

It sounds like groups will be under the "connections" department.  I fully
expect the spectre of "new groups" to return as they attempt to make groups over
in Facebook, Twitter, and Google+'s image.  I am dumbfounded we fought this off
a few years ago, but I think that it is inevitable that Yahoo will want to make
a social networking competitor and groups is a very big candidate for that
effort.

Problem is - I can't find a viable alternative to YG if they make some of the
very odious changes that led us to oppose the new groups a few years ago.  If
they maintain the exact same funcationality, but make it look like Facebook I
don't care.  But that probably isn't high on their priority list - profits by
competing with Facebook is.



--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, ottawahitech  wrote:
>
> Scott Thompson, Yahoo's new CEO, has completly reorganized Yahoo's org chart.
Here is the email memo  he sent to employees in its entitety.
>
> [I copied and pasted it from  Kara Swisher's April 10 article:
<http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/yahoo-c-e-o-hints-at-a-strategy/>.]
>
>
> • Connections will be led by Shashi Seth, and include consumer businesses that
connect and inform our users including Search, Communications and Social
properties such as Mail, Messenger, Flickr, Answers, and more. The highest
priority for Shashi and his team will be to think well beyond how users search,
communicate and share online today. The Connections team is charged with
fundamentally re-imagining how we design and deliver the next generation of
these foundational Yahoo! experiences.
>
>

This isn't the first time Yahoo! has shuffled things around.  I doubt that Y!
Groups will suffer because of the latest but of reorganization; in fact, the
Groups might even get better.  I've been a Yahoo! user for something like 15
years and have been more than pleased with its service -- and it's free!

Richard
Put your good where it will do the most. Wavy Gravy

Dear All,

One of my members has said they do not get certain info I have placed in the
footer. I use the links Managment > Messages > "Subject Tag and Footer Edit", to
set the footer.

Now I know that there are various possible ways the email are formmated (full
featured etc.), but does one of these drop the footer? It's hard for me to test
all these options, so I am hoping someone knows how this can happen.

Of course, the actual answer may be they are just not reading the footer!

Regards
John Russell

--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, Connie Knie <cknie23100@...> wrote:
>
> But when I researched how to look at the full headers in yahoo mail I went to
the Options like it said but under general there is no place to click "view full
headers"
> How do I make that happen?


Connie, open the message in yahoo mail.  Then scroll all the way to the end of
the message.  At the lower right there will be a link for "full headers".  Click
on that and you will see all of the header information.

Best,
~CJ

Oops I apologize, I posted the wrong URL for Kara Swisher's Allthingsd article.

This is the correct URL to the article that includes the memo Yahoo's new CEO
sent to the troops:
http://allthingsd.com/20120410/its-official-yahoo-reorgs-itself-just-like-we-sai\
d-memo-time/

--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, ottawahitech <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Scott Thompson, Yahoo's new CEO, has completly reorganized Yahoo's org chart.
Here is the email memo  he sent to employees in its entitety.
>
> [I copied and pasted it from  Kara Swisher's April 10 article: ...

Hmm...

Oth wrote:

> Scott Thompson, Yahoo's new CEO, has completly reorganized Yahoo's org
> chart. Here is the email memo  he sent to employees in its entitety.

The one thing that stood out to me in that memo was conspicuous by its absence:
Groups.

> • Connections will be led by Shashi Seth, and include consumer
>   businesses that connect and inform our users including Search,
>   Communications and Social properties such as Mail, Messenger,
>   Flickr, Answers, and more.

"and more"? That's what we're relegated to?

The snarky side of me suggests that perhaps we're better off flying under the
radar, in an "if it ain't broke..." sort of way.

But in a recent post in YGOG (Message #41195) member Serhat reminds me that
Yahoo! Groups is in fact a highly functional Social property and ought to be
acknowledged within Yahoo! management as a core competency.

Groups' code and UI may be dated, but the concept? the functionality?
Resoundingly no -- the premiere social sites Linked-in and Facebook include
groups. So does Flickr for that matter. And recently we've seen Facebook pushing
updates to their groups platform, striving to match the functionality already
present in Yahoo Groups.

Yes, people want to share with other people, who aren't necessarily friends, who
aren't necessarily work-related acquaintances, and who aren't necessarily
neighbors, but who are bound by a common interest. That's Yahoo! Groups.

I don't think the market need is going anywhere. The question is whether Yahoo
still wants to serve that market. Whether they still "get it". I sure hope Mr.
Seth does.

-- Shal

One thing I wish Yahoo would do is clean out all these groups that
are nothing but spam. Unfortunately I belonged to two groups that
were not moderated and the owners abandoned them without informing
the other group members.  I wish the owners of these groups, if they
are going to abandon their group, would have the courtesy to either
delete the group or assign a moderator before they depart.  In one
group I belonged too, one individual sends out over 150 spam messages
every month which forced me to drop my membership.
 
Informing Yahoo of the situation is a waste of time.  They told me my
only recourse was to drop my membership from the group in question
and start a new group on my own.  I suggested to Yahoo a method on
how to address this issue.  If a group member notifies Yahoo of what
looks like an abandoned group, they could send an e-mail to the owner
of that group asking for verification that they have not abandoned
the group.  If they do not get a response back from the owner, then
treat the non-response as indicating the group has been abandoned by
the owner and then either delete the group or allow the individual
who notified them to become the owner.  Yahoo ignored my suggestion
which leads me to believe they simply do not care.


________________________________
  From: Ian Gillis

Hi,
Facebook have recently upgraded their "group" service - old inactive
groups have been archived, active groups have been upgraded to the new
format. You can pick an anonymous user name. Each group has a
dedicated email address and posts and threads can be notified to
members by emails to which replies can be made. You have to be a
member of Facebook to post; to post on private groups you need to be a
member of that group; to post on open groups Facebook membership is
required. I have zero interest in "anyone-can-post" groups - hic sunt
dracones!


[Excessively long and unrelated quote trimmed by moderator]

Steve,

It is not clear to me why you are so adamant about deleting a Group in which you
are a member. Why not simply leave as the Yahoo rep suggested?

An owner concerned about people posting spam to a Group can simply set Who can
post to "off". Deleting the archives is not a good idea since members may want
access to old content. No?


--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, Steve ODonnell <steve_odonnell7@...>
wrote:
>
> One thing I wish Yahoo would do is clean out all these groups that
> are nothing but spam. Unfortunately I belonged to two groups that
> were not moderated and the owners abandoned them without informing
> the other group members.  I wish the owners of these groups, if they
> are going to abandon their group, would have the courtesy to either
> delete the group ...

Richard B wrote:
> This isn't the first time Yahoo! has shuffled things around.
> than - and it's free!
>

     Those who have been around since Yahoo ate up EGroups and Onelist
may recall the specter that Yahoo raised over "Premium Groups"  The idea
was that free groups would have very minimal archive/photo/files etc.
space and few bells and whistles.  If you wanted more functionality then
open your wallet and pay for it.  Message archives for instance in the
free mode would have limited space and as new messages came in the
oldest would be deleted by Yahoo.  Want to keep your archives intact ---
$$.  There was quite an uproar at the time and the "Premium" faded into
the sunset.  At the time there was also the first rumblings of Google
Groups that were free.

     Given the present circumstances facing Yahoo I would not be in the
least surprised if that idea was dusted off and brought forward again.
Maybe having to pay for service would at least get the bugs fixed.  Not
something I would look forward to I can tell you. The logistics of who
pays for what would be a bit mind boggling.  Mind you, I do belong to a
couple of Listserves that charge and are paid for by the list owners out
of their own pockets and no charge to members.

Ron


[Mod note: The idea was not unique to Yahoo! The concept was an extension
of the advertising-free eGroup service that pre-dated Yahoo! merger.]

Shal,

I find the Yahoo Groups functionality to be rather unique and like you I
see Groups as still relevant (of course we would after all ...). What
I'm fearing is the "cool kids" pushing toward the latest fad in social
networking what ever that happens to be). Agreed fully that the UI is a
bit dated and apparently the code base is as well. Unfortunately what we
as group owners do not know is the impact Groups has on Yahoo's
bottomline financially.

I follow some pundits in the computer area and most all of them roundly
criticize Yahoo for most every thing but I have yet to see or hear
anyone ever discuss Yahoo Groups - maybe that is the "cool kids" factor
at work or maybe Groups is roundly dismissed.

David
NW NC


On 4/12/2012 9:19 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
> Hmm...
> ...
> "and more"? That's what we're relegated to?
>
> The snarky side of me suggests that perhaps we're better off flying
> under the radar, in an "if it ain't broke..." sort of way.
>
> But in a recent post in YGOG (Message #41195) member Serhat reminds
> me that Yahoo! Groups is in fact a highly functional Social
> property and ought to be acknowledged within Yahoo! management as a
> core competency.
>
> Groups' code and UI may be dated, but the concept? the
> functionality? Resoundingly no -- the premiere social sites
> Linked-in and Facebook include groups. So does Flickr for that
> matter. And recently we've seen Facebook pushing updates to their
> groups platform, striving to match the functionality already
> present in Yahoo Groups.
>
> Yes, people want to share with other people, who aren't necessarily
> friends, who aren't necessarily work-related acquaintances, and who
> aren't necessarily neighbors, but who are bound by a common
> interest. That's Yahoo! Groups.
>
> I don't think the market need is going anywhere. The question is
> whether Yahoo still wants to serve that market. Whether they still
> "get it". I sure hope Mr. Seth does.


[excess footer and quote trimmed by moderator]

On 13 April 2012 03:19, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
> I don't think the market need is going anywhere. The question is whether Yahoo
still wants to serve that market. Whether they still "get it". I sure hope Mr.
Seth does.

Hi Shal,

Me too!

I spent my working life in what started as Marconi's Wireless
Telegraph Company and which died ignominiously when its core
competencies were dumped in favour of a quick buck for whistle-stop
CEOs. I wish I had a pound, euro or dollar for every "reorganisation"
memo I've read - usually changing the thrust of the organisation to
what it was before the last reorganisation.

What Yahoo needs is a man with technical competence, entrepreneurial
flair and a vision that will drag people along on its coat-tails.
Someone like Guglielmo Marconi who not only installed radio on the
Titanic but also made money from every MarconiGram that was sent from
the ship - and as a bonus it was there to enable the CQD message to be
sent. Someone like the prematurely-departed Steve Jobs - the Marconi
of our age.

I just hope that Yahoo's new CEO is that man, despite his inability to
write inspiring battle cries. Otherwise he'll be dragged down with the
ship.

regards,
Ian

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1 of my moderators has just deleted the latest 90 mails - is there a way to
recover them?

Dear All,

After further discussion with the member that complained about information
missing in the footer, I have discovered it was there all the time, he just did
not see it!

Regards
John Russell

--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, "family_russell" <john@...> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> One of my members has said they do not get certain info I have placed in the
footer. I use the links Managment > Messages > "Subject Tag and Footer Edit", to
set the footer.
>
> Now I know that there are various possible ways the email are formmated (full
featured etc.), but does one of these drop the footer? It's hard for me to test
all these options, so I am hoping someone knows how this can happen.
>
> Of course, the actual answer may be they are just not reading the footer!
>
> Regards
> John Russell
>

For the last ten minutes or so,  I can't get into GMF coming thru :
http://groups.yahoo.com/
and clicking
Computers & Internet

I  get the following error message:
--
"We're Sorry...
There was a problem with your request.
The page you've requested returned this error:
This page is empty
If you continue to receive this error for more than 48 hours, please contact our
Customer Care team. We apologize for this inconvenience. "

--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, Ian Gillis <tessel.bas@...> wrote:

>

> I just hope that Yahoo's new CEO is that man, despite his inability to

> write inspiring battle cries. Otherwise he'll be dragged down with the

> ship.

Here's my  analysis for what-it's-worth:

What Scott Thompson did right so far:

-          told employees that customers (which he defined as users and advertisers) COME FIRST – I don't remember hearing this before (?)

-          I like the division of responsibilities:

o       Consumer division looks out for users

o       Regions division looks out for advertisers

o       Technology provides the tech tools for both the above

o       Corporate continues with no change

What did he do wrong (it's still early days so give him the benefit of the doubt):

-          Fired 2,000 employees – this seems to  be the cliché method  all companies handle difficulties nowadays, but when you fire 2,000 employees that gets you 2,000 more enemies outside the company

-          There is still no department that coordinates everyone – makes sure that the company is not inventing 10 different, conflicting kinds of wheels, then fighting over who designed the best one

-          Did not mention the word quality when he told employees they had to move fast

-          "our highest priority is winning in our core business… blablabla" (no definition of core business)

-          Has not recognized  the symbiotic relationship between Yahoo communities (a word he has not mentioned yet)

Just my $.02

I am a volunteer with a boxer dog rescue group in existence since  2001.
Our dogs are spread throughout the state in foster homes.  We  have four
Yahoo Groups and it is our primary source of communication.  As  of this
morning, we have 132,711 messages, 32 databases, and so many files, I  cannot
count.  To say that our entire existence is housed in Yahoo Groups  is an
understatement.  Every single dog that has gone through our program,  every
single
applicant, it is all in Yahoo.

Times are tough these days in dog rescue - more dogs - less donations - I'm
  sure it's the same with all, no matter what breed.  I fear if we lost
Yahoo  Groups it would be a blow that we might not survive.

I wish that all of us who are concerned could have a voice, even in some
small way, to let the "powers that be" in Yahoo know how vital these Groups
are  for our continued success.  How about a press release that says "Over
4,000  homeless boxer dogs have found forever homes thanks to Yahoo Groups!"

Marilynette


---

In a message dated 4/13/2012,  tractor57 writes:

Shal,

I find the Yahoo Groups functionality to be rather  unique and like you I
see Groups as still relevant (of course we would  after all ...). What
I'm fearing is the "cool kids" pushing toward the  latest fad in social
networking what ever that happens to be). Agreed  fully that the UI is a
bit dated and apparently the code base is as well.  Unfortunately what we
as group owners do not know is the impact Groups has  on Yahoo's
bottomline financially.

I follow some pundits in the  computer area and most all of them roundly
criticize Yahoo for most every  thing but I have yet to see or hear
anyone ever discuss Yahoo Groups -  maybe that is the "cool kids" factor
at work or maybe Groups is roundly  dismissed.

David
NW NC

[Mod note: I don't know if any Yahoo employees are still monitoring
 this group, but if so I hope they can channel these messages to the
 appropriate managers.]

[Excess quote trimmed by moderator]

Marilynette,

> I wish that all of us who are concerned could have a voice, even in some
> small way, to let the "powers that be" in Yahoo know how vital these
> Groups are for our continued success.  How about a press release that
> says "Over 4,000 homeless boxer dogs have found forever homes thanks to
> Yahoo Groups!"

That's exactly the kind of "look what you can do with Groups" item that the Team
Blog was hoping to have as a regular feature. Maybe you should write your press
release and try to get a copy into Mr. Seth's hands.
<http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/?p=1130>
<http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/?p=1104>
<http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/?p=654>


-- Shal