Not that I am aware of, as I've deleted archived messages & other
moderators in some groups have also deleted archived messages, and I
didn't get a notification via email either way.

Della

On 5/25/12, lucysky1484 wrote:
> I have a general question:  If an owner deletes an archived message,  is a
> notification automatically generated to all moderators and owners of the
> group?
>

> > I am waiting with bated breath to find out whether Groups will survive or
if they will be included in the 50 properties Yahoo! plans to shut down:
> >
>
> Here are announcements about two yahoo communities scheduled for closure - is
anyone here a member?
>
> - Yahoo! Meme scheduled to be closed on may 25, 2012
> http://meme.yahoo.com/thememe/p/nf5MVta/?.pr=2
>
> -�Yahoo! Desktop Widgets Gallery Website Discontinued on April 11, 2012
> http://widgets.yahoo.com/


Yahoo! kills Livestand
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/05/25/yahoo-kills-high-profile-reading-app-live\
stand/?mod=google_news_blog

I have a new group so I can't manually put a member in.   I have 2 friends who
do not have Yahoo ID's nor facebook ID's or gmail.  How can they join the group?
When they click on "join this group" they get the Yahoo sign-in.  How can they
join without creating a Yahoo ID?  They don't want to create one, they are
elderly and don't understand.  Please tell me how to get around this so they can
join the group without a Yahoo ID.
Thanks!

--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, Steve ODonnell wrote:
>
>  I do not understand how they can wind up in a bounced position since
> they never receive e-mails from the group. 

Simple, they may be signed on in other Groups by email (or digest), either
because they choose to, or some bossy mod made the  decision for them, sometimes
without their  knowledge.

  ________________________________
>  From: Barbara Lee Gates
>
> > There is a big danger in just deleting bouncing members.
> Doing
> > this you will also delete a lot of the 'web only' members,
> including
> > I assume most of those with a @yahoo.com address.

There will be no notification, but the other moderator will be able to
see your activity by going into that area of your site.  Forgot exactly
where, but I have seen it .. sorry to be so vague on that place within the site.


[Mod note: Review moderator actions in Management - Group Activity -
Moderator Activity.]

> Not that I am aware of, as I've deleted archived messages&  other
> moderators in some groups have also deleted archived messages, and I
> didn't get a notification via email either way.
>
> Della
>
> On 5/25/12, lucysky1484 wrote:
>> I have a general question:  If an owner deletes an archived message,  is a
>> notification automatically generated to all moderators and owners of the
>> group?
>>

--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, "nowfuchsfree" wrote:
>
> Please tell me how to get around this so they can join the group
> without a Yahoo ID.


If they only want to participate thru the mailing list they can subscribe to the
Group by sending an email to:
[Your Group Name]-subscribe@yahoogroups.com


[Mod note: And then replying to confirmation email sent back to them.]

If they just sign up for the mailing list by the subscribe email you
mention, do they still show up on the member listing?  When they confirm
the request they aren't sent to that Yahoo log-in page again, are they?
--
Karen P/WI

This post was not from me.  Need to trim more carefully

BJ
   ________________________________
> >  From: Barbara Lee Gates
> >
> > > There is a big danger in just deleting bouncing
members.
> > Doing
> > > this you will also delete a lot of the 'web only'
members,
> > including
> > > I assume most of those with a @yahoo.com address.

> Posted by: "justkenneth"

> Suppose a member is subscribed via a Yahoo! email address which is
> bouncing and the last bounced message on their bounce history says
> that their email account has been disabled or discontinued

> Does this mean only that their Yahoo! email address has been
> disabled and that they may still be able to access the group via
> their Yahoo! account at the webpage

Yes, they can read messages on the groups.yahoo.com website.

> OR is their entire Yahoo!
> account disabled from logins?

No.

Do nothing with bouncing members unless a member asks you.
Spend your time writing on-topic messages to your group.

--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, Paula “Dianne” <mercifulfate@...>
wrote:
>
> Some of my groups have many many many thousands of messages. And many
> many many are very old. The public can view my messages -- I have just
> changed to that, as getting the information out is the point, not just
> restricting it to a few.

Ahhh, it is difficult to take a Group that has operated as a members-only-Group
for many moons and changing it to a public Group. How did  you reach this 
decision? Did you consult your members and if so how did you get their input?
Did you use a Poll?

> But there have been disputes and name calling
> over the years and I am not sure I have deleted all those old records.

I personally do not  believe in sacrificing the history of one's Group just to
put a nice face on for the public. Let your members do the deleting  of their
own messages, if they are embarrassed by them. Hopefully you will be able to
maintain most messages.

> I know I can delete one page at a time

One of the things I love about Yahoo! Groups is the ability to revive old
discussion (which even Google Groups does not allow). As a wise man once said:
"Everything old is new again".

--
A forum for SERIOUS club founders
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/GroupManagersForum/message/2

> [Mod note: Review moderator actions in Management - Group Activity -
> Moderator Activity.]

...but if the moderator action has to do with Links, Files, etc. the logs are
available at:
Web Features (in Moderator Activity).

Just one of the little inconsistencies of  Groups.

I've gone in to an old group of mine and want to change the name, email address,
etc. to begin using it again.  I've been able to change the name that appears in
"My Groups," "View groups," but when I click on it, it gives me the message
"There is no group called [new group name]."

Sometimes I am able to get into the group, but when trying to make certain
changes in "Management: Description & Appearance," I receive the screen that
says, "There is no group called [new group name]."

What am I missing?  What do I need to do so that Yahoo recognizes the new group
name?

Karen,

> If they just sign up for the mailing list by the subscribe email you
> mention, do they still show up on the member listing?

Not until they reply to the confirmation request. But then yes, just like
members you Add (or would have added, if you could), they show the "Request
Profile" link where their ID would have been.

> When they confirm the request they aren't sent to that Yahoo log-in page
> again, are they?

No. Upon confirmation they are either Members or Pending Members, depending on
your group's setting.


One thing that hasn't been mentioned: without a Yahoo account they are
email-only members -- they can post and receive messages by email, they can use
the email commands to control their settings. But they cannot access the
members-only areas of your group's web pages, such as Files & Photos.

-- Shal

--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Hill" <steve.hill@...> wrote:
>
> Went to blog and posted comment;

I did too. First I posted a comment after logging into Yahoo!, but
the  blogger said one could post without logging in and asked if
Yahoo! had given up on Groups so I tried to post another comment at:
http://lichtman.ca/can-yahoo-be-turned-around/
this time without logging  in. However,  so far my 2nd comment  has not shown up
and I wish I knew if it is because the software failed or because the blogger
has not approved it.

Hello,

I am the primary moderator of the River City Gems Yahoo Group.  We have on
ongoing discussion of whether or not to allow members of the Group to make
posts:

A) promoting their business or products...whether they're a building contractor,
a rock band performer, or an author who wishes to sell copies of her latest
book, and;

B) personal property they don't want any more...an old bed frame, for example.

Those who argue that such posts should be allowed feel that they promote members
helping members, with the idea that fellow members would often want to work with
or for other members of the group, and that this provides a support service for
the membership, which is what our group is all about (member support of other
members).

Those who argue against allowing such posts take the position that either (1) it
is legally risky from a liability standpoint, or (2) that it is somehow
inappropriate for members to engage in financial transactions with one another,
or (3) that it just isn't normally allowed in most internet fora.

So my main question is:  Is that true?  Is a "no-sales" policy more or less the
norm in Yahoo groups, and if so, for what reason?  Also, any other comments or
observations that could be helpful to us in refining our posting policy would be
welcome.

Thanks in advance,

Tilda Ampersand
River City Gems Secretary and Yahoo Group Moderator

In car groups I manage, both new and used car related items are allowed both by
individuals and their businesses. This means as an active member of the group
you may post these things. Or have a footer on your posts advertising.
If you are not an active member and all you do is advertise your business you
will be kept on moderation and asked to tone it down, and become an active
member and not just a sales person.
  In support groups I manage, no advertising is allowed, for groups or products.
aubrae

----- Original Message -----
From: "tilda_ampersand"
> Hello,
>
> I am the primary moderator of the River City Gems Yahoo Group.  We have on
ongoing discussion of whether or not to allow members of the Group to make
posts:
>

--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, "tilda_ampersand"
<tilda_ampersand@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am the primary moderator of the River City Gems Yahoo Group.  We have on
ongoing discussion of whether or not to allow members of the Group to make
posts:

Hi Tilda,

It really depends on the group and it's aims.

For example 'River City Gems' means nothing to me.  I do not know if it is
related to a sports group in a small area or something else about some spot
called River City.

There is no rule on commercial postings being allowed.  It is up to what fits
your group.  I have a freecycle (no commerical ads or siglines) and a local chat
group (local businesses welcome to respond on request for services or have a
discrete URL on posting).

If you open it wide up, you can find a realtor posting 100 listings a day which
will destroy the group.

Some tools for dealing with commercial posts that have proven useful with
various online forums and lists:

1. Incidental. You can make a rule that posting about an ongoing business is
inappropriate, but that posting about an incidental activity is OK. (Mirrors the
rules on home businesses and yard sales in many real-world communities.)


2. Signature. Require a signature that declares the poster's commercial
involvement in the topic or indicates their qualifications to state a
professional opinion on the topic. (Similar to the real-world law that
contractors must include their state contractor's license number on their
business card.)

Once you get them trained, you can get some very helpful posts from people who
are trolling for business -- essentially free samples of their expertise. And
they get leads -- which is what they want -- so everyone wins.


3. MLM. Most online forums and lists ban multi-level (or "network") marketing.

This quotation is helpful: "...when the neighborhood is turned into a
marketplace, something precious is lost... which is not easily regained... the
reflective reader would do well to think twice about the value of friends,
family, community..."
� from http://www.vandruff.com/mlm.html


4. Groupons. People mistakenly think that posting a groupon is a way to help a
local business.

Here's what we posted to stop them:

"Only half of what you pay to Groupon is eventually paid to the business.
Therefore, your transaction immediately starts off on the wrong foot.

"Here are two articles that explain how Groupon and similar outfits work:
NYTimes:
http://boss.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/23/doing-the-math-on-a-groupon-deal/
BusinessWeek:
http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/mar2011/sb2011038_090899.htm

"Groupons, etc. can work for businesses that sell services, such as yoga
studios. (Because the additional cost to schedule a additional customers into a
class is low -- and it is possible that a few of the one-time visitors can be
sold a series of full-price visits.) And they can work for a business that is
desperate for visibility at any cost."

On that list, we do encourage recommending a local business based on personal
experience.

--cg

I allow advertising in my biggest group on Fridays only.  It has to be related
to the topic of the group & I encourage sellers to participate in the group
rather than just using us as an advertising venue.   We're a regional group so i
prefer that sellers be a relevant part of our region.  I'm somewhat strict about
how & when they advertise & use moderation & removal tools for repeated abuses.

It's doable but WILL require more of your time as a moderator to be sure it's
not abused.

Sandy

--- In GroupManagersForum@yahoogroups.com, "tilda_ampersand"
<tilda_ampersand@...> wrote:
>
> So my main question is:  Is that true?  Is a "no-sales" policy more or less
the norm in Yahoo groups, and if so, for what reason?  Also, any other comments
or observations that could be helpful to us in refining our posting policy would
be welcome.
>

I don't believe there are any norms in YGs.

The software provides for a the widest range of Groups possible:  Groups can be
created with public or member-only access; some Groups are simply announcement
bulletin boards, to which only the Group moderators can post, while others are
discussion forums; some Groups are listed in the directory while others are
private by inviatation only; some do not allow any ads, some allow members to
add a "signature"  to their messages, some are stricly for buying and selling
...the variations of Yahoo Groups are virtually endless.

The decision whether to allow sales posts depends on the Group and the decision
is ultimately in the hands of the Group's "owner". For example you can see 
GMF's policy displayed in its periodic message:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/GroupManagersForum/message/38007
"* We expect members to post and act responsibly. If you are not
sure what that means, you can check out the Yahoo Groups guidelines
at http://groups.yahoo.com/local/guidelines.html . Solicitations are
off topic and will be deleted without comment."

Recognizing contributions made by individuals has always been an important
aspect of human society. In real life obituaries play a essential role in this
respect as people are recognized by others when they pass away. Also we name
institutions, streets, etc. after people we feel deserve such an honor, or we
give out various awards, all of which provide a podium to enter such names into
the history books.

After seeing a page on Wikipedia which documents all significant Wikipedians who
no longer edit Wikipedia,
(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Missing_Wikipedians )
I am wondering if any Yahoo! Groups do something equivalent to recognize members
who have made major contributions to  their Group. Now that  many Groups have
been in  existence for more than 10 years, surely some have developed some
traditions/rituals/customs/folklore that recognize past member contributions?

To take just one  example, in GMF we had many contributions from member
"SewEverything",  who contributed extensively to discussions  from 2003-2010,
but then stopped abruptly. Do you think it is a good idea to do something
similar to Wikipedia's Missing Wikipedians in this case? What are the pros and
cons? Etc?

I would appreciate thoughts on this matter.

One group I am a member of allows each member to post a maximum of one "for
sale" ad per month.

I personally ban sales in the message archives - the result of a member poll,
but there is a group labs application for it which I allow.

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