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Re: Antenna Choice and Location for Mid Peninsula

TVfool shows you getting hammered by all the bay area stations!
Anything up in the clear should be good.
(What stations are on Mission and Hamilton??? Larry's list shows
none.)
Can you give us a list of stations you get now?
How long a run of coax are you using?
If long, a mast-mount pre-amp is in order.

Aim for the weakest station you want to watch, then see how the
others are doing.
Keith
--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "baumgrenze" <baumgrenze@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm the new kid on the block. Here are my current questions.
>
> I am in Palo Alto. A search on www.batchgeocode.com puts me at
> Latitude: 37.442104 / Longitude: -122.129052.
>
> I am currently reworking my antenna system for OTA reception on a
Sony
> Model #: KDL-32XBR6.
>
> The current state of affairs is as follows.
>
> I removed the VHF antenna from the top of my 1.25" x 9.5' tubular
> mast. I moved my Archer Model U-75R directional UHF antenna,
purchased
> in 1989, to the top of the mast. I attached a 300 ohm to 75 ohm
balun
> and 50' of RG6U cable and connected it to the TV and ran the setup.
> The mast is currently leaning against a ladder, guyed to 4 points
with
> parachute cord. The antenna is roughly pointed at Mt. Sutro. The
> reception on KQED 9.1 is great. I should be so lucky once I have set
> and guyed the mast properly. I recognize that to pull in signals
from
> Mission Peak and Mt. Hamilton I must reorient this antenna towards
the
> transmitter towers.
>
> I am considering replacing the U-75R with a Terrestrial DB-4
> non-directional antenna. Can I expect to receive good signals from
> broadcast antennae that are 114.5° (Mission Peak) and 151.26° (Mt.
> Hamilton) relative to a line-of-sight bearing on Mt. Sutro? Do I
need
> to worry about signals being reflected from the local mountain
ranges?
> Do I need to worry about Palo Alto's many trees? I have some very
tall
> ones near my house.
>
> In my rework, I removed about 6' of 1.5" tubular mast from between
the
> swivel base mount and a 1960's rotor. I discovered that it came with
> only 8 ball bearings running in an upper race and another 8 in a
lower
> race. Needless to say, the aluminum bearing race is severely by
years
> of wind rocking of the antenna system. I think I could get it to run
> again, but it hardly seems worth the effort.
>
> The mast still carries a large FM antenna, too. It is ~148" long and
> ~138" wide on its rear-most, longest element. I would like to get
this
> a bit more than 6' from my flat Eichler roof for safety reasons. I
can
> see two possible solutions:
>
> 1) Purchase 6' of schedule 40 or heavier galvanized iron pipe
threaded
> on one end. Install a pipe flange on the upper end and use this as a
> lower extension, running guy wires from holes drilled in the flange.
> The mounting end would be in a Universal Swivel Base Mount (9013)
> mounted on a 4" x 7.5" x 0.25" thick steel plate lag screwed to the
> fascia board of the upper roof. This should give me room to put my
FM
> antenna at 4' below even a DB-4 mounted on the top of the mast. It
> would allow a slip fit of 18" between the pipe and the tubular mast.
> If the pipe does not fit the swivel base, I could bore hole through
it
> an appropriate distance from the bottom to fit the swivel bolt.
>
> 2) To keep both antennae lower, I could purchase a chimney mount kit
> and mount an 8' long mast on it. The chimney in question extends up
> ~4.5' above the lower roof (~18" lower,) so roughly half of the mast
> would be between the upper and lower mounting brackets. Wouldn't
this
> make for a pretty secure mount without guy wires? I would use this
to
> mount the FM antenna. Should I be concerned that the forward-most
> element of the FM antenna would be ~18" from the mast carrying the
UHF
> antenna? It would be `behind' the UHF with respect to Mt. Sutro, off
> to the side with respect to Mission Peak, and in front with respect
to
> Mt. Hamilton. Would this make a difference?
>
> 3) The entire tar-and-gravel roof has urethane foam sheet insulation
> with an aluminum foil facing. Is this significant?
>
> Thanks,
>
> baumgrenze
>





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Hello, I'm the new kid on the block. Here are my current questions. I am in Palo Alto. A search on www.batchgeocode.com puts me at Latitude: 37.442104 /...
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TVfool shows you getting hammered by all the bay area stations! Anything up in the clear should be good. (What stations are on Mission and Hamilton??? Larry's...
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Nov 30, 2008
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Hi Baumgrenze... Before seeing your post here, I answered the one you posted on the SF OTA thread on the AVS Forum. You provide more information here, so let...
Larry Kenney
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Nov 30, 2008
10:15 pm

While the choices below are quite an optimal solution, you are probably making this too complicated. In Palo Alto, there's enough signal that a U-75 will pick...
Don Hackler
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Dec 1, 2008
10:04 pm

I am in Palo Alto and offer some observations. I have an 8' piece of rigid conduit mounted on a router that is not used other than as a mount. A chimney...
Allen Edwards
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Dec 1, 2008
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Hi, I'm at the foothill of San Carlos/Belmont area and with a 4228, I was able to get 9.1 (one of the weakest stations that I can get) BUT I could not get...
Tom Ho
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Dec 3, 2008
5:33 pm

Tom... The digital channels for 2 and 4 are next to each other at the high end of the band on channels 56 and 57. They are transmitting with full power from...
Larry Kenney
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Dec 3, 2008
8:35 pm

... For some reason, I have multipath problems with KTVU and KRON as well. Part of my problem is that I'm trying to optimize the antenna for KRCB, but when I...
Nick Sayer
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Dec 3, 2008
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... have a 5 element ... ersatz KGO-DT was ... 75% signal ... Yagi). ... no trouble also ... issues relating to ... should be few of those. ... Exceptions...
Bob
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Dec 4, 2008
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Anyone using a CM-4228 and experiencing problems with VHF should consider changing to the new CM4228HD when they become available. It might prevent the need...
Richard Swank
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Dec 4, 2008
2:11 am

... I also use a 4228 and am in the South Bay (~45 miles). KTVU-DT and KRON-DT are my problem childs as well. I have external tuners (LGs) that can usually get...
Kevin Diggs
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Dec 4, 2008
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... Here's my report from San Francisco using a CM4228 and a rotor. I'm referring to just the digital stations here, but will be using the virtual channel...
Larry Kenney
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Dec 4, 2008
7:29 am

... I suspect many others besides myself are/will be counting on those changes on the transmitting side to get their favorite stations consistantly with less...
epicurusradium
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Dec 4, 2008
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... KNTV-DT is licensed for 103.1 kW. KGO-DT is licensed for 24 kW. This is a little less than one quarter the power of KNTV-DT, not half, a difference of...
Bob
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Dec 4, 2008
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... Here's the overall plan and schedule for Bay Area stations. There will be a minor change made at KNTV. KNTV plans to move their digital antenna to the top...
Larry Kenney
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Dec 4, 2008
10:14 pm

Larry, as always, great information. Thanks. Do you by any chance know what are the planned events for Walnut Grove?...
red2grass
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Dec 5, 2008
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... I don't know all the details, but I do know that KVIE 6 will be moving their digital from channel 53 to channel 9, KXTV 10 will be moving from channel 61...
Larry Kenney
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Dec 6, 2008
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Nothing is published, but Larry's summary below appears to be accurate. There is always the possibility of supplier and construction delays, which is why...
Don Hackler
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Dec 7, 2008
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... Well, just for the record, I'll run down everything. I'm in Santa Clara, near the corner of Pruneridge and Winchester (the southeast corner of the city). I...
Nick Sayer
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Dec 4, 2008
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Nick, thanks for posting the details. KSBW and KCBA are only six degrees away from the Sutro group from your location, but they are in the VHF-hi range. Your...
Frank Nemec W6NJR
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Dec 5, 2008
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... ??? Um.... 186 degrees, you mean? They're almost exactly the *opposite* direction. ... Um, or using a VHF Yagi, like I'm doing now. :) ... Well, it's more...
Nick Sayer
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Dec 5, 2008
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"Your best bet might be modifying your 4228 to make it closer to the new design, with the single continuous screen, by making some electrical connection...
zanzi1998
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Dec 6, 2008
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... The objective is to improve the ability of the 4228 to receive on high VHF. On high VHF, the reflector grid itself acts as an antenna. If you electrically...
Nick Sayer
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Dec 6, 2008
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But you still didn't answer my question about what is the best way to bond the two screens together. I'm trying to make the 4228 more effective for receiving...
zanzi1998
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Dec 7, 2008
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... I'd try and solder the two screens together every 2 or three inches. I don't know what metal the screen is made out of, but hopefully ordinary solder would...
Nick Sayer
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Dec 8, 2008
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The elements of the CM 4228 are aluminum, which is notoriously difficult to solder. I'd buy some aluminum or stainless steel wire and run it back and forth...
Frank Nemec W6NJR
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Dec 11, 2008
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I'd suggest using some of the rubber hose clamps that tighten down fairly well. Two or three of them should make a good bond. These clamps are usually...
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... Uh ... Are we certain that the screen is aluminum? Isn't that wire mesh stuff usually made up of stuff dominated by Fe (Iron for those who have forgotten...
Kevin Diggs
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Dec 12, 2008
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The screen is indeed aluminum. The product catalog says so, and nearly all residential TV antennas use aluminum elements for high conductivity and low cost...
Frank Nemec W6NJR
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Dec 12, 2008
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Almost all TV broadcast antennas are horizontally polarized. Nothing on Sutro now is vertical. A few stations elsewhere have experimented with circular (equal...
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