I live in the 95123 zip code.(south san jose)
I currently get:
2-1,2
4-1,2
5-1
7-1,2,3
9-1,2,3
11-1,2,3
14-1
20-1
22-1,2,3 (on occasion)
26-1,2,3,4
28-1 28-10(audio)
32-1,2,4,5
36-1,2
38-1,2                      42-1,2
44-1                        48-1,2
54-1,2,3,4,5                60-1,2,3
65-1,2,3,4                  66-1,2
1-1 thru 12 1-13,14,15(audio only)
Antenna is attached to the chimney(20 year old uhf/vhf)
RG6 (about 50ft)
zenith dtv in living room (DTT901)
Zinwell ZAT 500-HD in bedroom.
System works rain or shine.

I got a lot of my ideas from reading this group.

thanks
chessno1

----- Original Message -----

From: Kevin Isacks

To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:07 PM

Subject: RE: [HDTV-in-SFbay] OT KDFC, Was Re: Sutro is done, the leaves are falling.

 

The boosters often don’t have the HD carriers on them. I was in Dublin a couple a months ago and was wondering what happened to some of the HD stations. I power cycled the radio a couple of times before I realized I was picking up from the booster.  It turns out only the FM is on the booster, they do this to ensure there is no delay (analog link to the booster)

Hopefully this will change with time. For now to make sure you can get the KDFC HD2 use a directional FM antenna pointed to the main transmitter in the Marin headlands. I doubt the Mount Diablo booster has HD on it.

Kevin

From: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com [mailto:HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen H. Fischer
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:20 AM
To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HDTV-in-SFbay] OT KDFC, Was Re: Sutro is done, the leaves are falling.

 

Hi,

That fool does not know about KDFC-FM on Mt. Diablo.

I checked Pleasanton and KDFC was on edge. So there is a need.

It has been many years since I drove up I680 but I do remember problems with KDFC.

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=KDFC-2&service=FB says,

License Granted March 27 2006

But I suspect it was installed before that.

SHF

----- Original Message -----

From: Larry Kenney

To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:08 PM

Subject: Re: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Re: Sutro is done, the leaves are falling.

 ...

Many of the Bay Area FM stations have translators.  Most are for covering Marin and north, or the areas east of the East Bay hills.  Go to http://www.fmfool.com and put in your address.  Like TVFool, you'll get a complete list of FM stations, signal strength at your address, distance and direction to each transmitter, and lots more information.  Callsigns with FM1, FM2 and FM3 are on frequency translators.

...

Larry

SF

- - -

----- Original Message -----

From: epicurusradium

To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 3:37 PM

Subject: [HDTV-in-SFbay] withdrawing from group

 

There does not seem to be a link anywhere that I can see to delete myself -- so whoever has the 'key' to do so please delete me from the group.

There does not seem to be a link anywhere that I can see to delete myself -- so
whoever has the 'key' to do so please delete me from the group.

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "nwsayer" <nsayer@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "epicurusradium" <vinced@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Some here still refuse to accept the fact that in the real human world, not
everyone is able to erect the ideal outdoor antenna, or is just out in the
fringes.
>
> We don't refuse to accept that fact. But it IS a fact that those people who
are out in the fringes and who don't erect an ideal outdoor antenna won't get
OTA reception, regardless of whether YOU accept that or not.
>

I never said that it would be otherwise, just that even with a good outdoor
antenna signal strength and therefore reception will vary.

That is a separate issue from urban/suburban reception problems where an outdoor
antenna is not feasible and the design of a good indoor antenna can make a
difference. 'Better living through better technology'

>
> > If more people were more flexible in their thinking there might be less
friction and animosity in this world.... not holding my breath however.
>
> The laws of physics are inflexible. It's too bad you can't accept that.
>>

"Laws of Physics" have been subject to interpretation AND to new KNOWLEDGE over
the last century, at least. Examples are too numerous to list.

Point is, TECHNOLOGY CHANGES, just look at the variations in design of antennas
alone since 1920's. New products do come on the market - though not at the speed
one would wish.


This horse has been flogged to death!

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "epicurusradium" <vinced@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Some here still refuse to accept the fact that in the real human world, not
everyone is able to erect the ideal outdoor antenna, or is just out in the
fringes.

We don't refuse to accept that fact. But it IS a fact that those people who are
out in the fringes and who don't erect an ideal outdoor antenna won't get OTA
reception, regardless of whether YOU accept that or not.

> If more people were more flexible in their thinking there might be less
friction and animosity in this world.... not holding my breath however.

The laws of physics are inflexible. It's too bad you can't accept that.

Stephen Fischer;
I just noticed I misspelled your name, sorry about that. 'Haste makes waste'....


--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "epicurusradium" <vinced@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, Steve Lee <stelee1969@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > The "new" Sutro has been a complete disappointment for
> > me here in Morgan Hill.  I use to reliably get ABC 7,
> > CBS 5, FOX 2, KOFY 20, KQED 9 and then other random
> > mixed language/format channels.
> >
> > Now I get, only when cloudy and part of the time, MAYBE
> > 5-1 and even less reliably 2-1.  I have been able to
> > tune in 20-1 occasionally.  I never expected to get 7
> > any longer when it went back to VHF and of course that
> > was the case.  I have never been able to even get a signal
> > for 9 and use to reliably get a 40-50 signal and my
> > tuner in both my DirecTV HR20 and Samsung Plasma will
> > tune in a signal all the way down to 30.
> >
> > I have had an antennae since 2003 and always had some form
> > of reception and it was reliable.  Other than my VHF
> > antennae facing south for 8-1(NBC) and 35-1(FOX) my UHF
> > antennae is now useless.
> >
> > What I do get at or near 100% power is 36-1, 48-1, 14-1, etc.
> > I wish all the studios had a satellite transmission
> > coming from Mt. Allison so that all of us in the south
> > bay had reliable, high quality off-air reception.
> >
> > I cannot express how frustrated and disappointed I am in
> > the "new" Sutro.
> >
>
>
> Well it IS good to hear that someone else here is not too thrilled with the
new Sutro setup, and that I am not the only one noticing signal variations due
to atmospheric/weather conditions.
>
> Some here still refuse to accept the fact that in the real human world, not
everyone is able to erect the ideal outdoor antenna, or is just out in the
fringes. If more people were more flexible in their thinking there might be less
friction and animosity in this world.... not holding my breath however.
>
> As to repeater or whatever the appropriate term, I have always thought that
Black Mountain, down the peninsula back of Woodside where the original KPEN FM
transmitter was, would be a good place for repeaters to better cover the south
of Santa Clara valley. It is high and more inline with Sutro and Bruno from more
places.
>
> Steven, you referred to KBCW as 45, it's physical channel, I was merely trying
to reduce possible confusion for some who might be more used to the original
designation as ch 44 -- no big deal. I agree with those who think the PSIP
system for channel numbering was/is a mistake. It generates at least as much
confusion as it was designed to alleviate.
>
>
> > ________________________________
> > From: Stephen H. Fischer <SFischer1@>
> > To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 10:01:56 AM
> > Subject: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Sutro is done, the leaves are falling.
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Sutro is done, the leaves are falling.
> >
> > I am starting to get a picture of what my reception will be this winter.
> >
> > KQED (30) reception has been spotty and gone completely some of the time in
> > the afternoons (~ 3 PM, NewsHour).
> >
> > KBCW (45) was also gone Thursday but came back for the 49'ers game.
> >
> > KDFC (FM 102.1), KDFC-HD2 is dropping out (Silence at times) this morning.
> >
> > In the evenings and nights KQED and KBCW are OK as is KDFC-HD2.
> >
> > So, there will be problems for me with an antenna in my attic this Winter
> > just like past years.
> >
> > Rotating my UHF antenna may or may not help, it did not just before the
> > 49'ers game when I was in a panic.
> >
> > SHF
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, Steve Lee <stelee1969@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> The "new" Sutro has been a complete disappointment for
> me here in Morgan Hill.  I use to reliably get ABC 7,
> CBS 5, FOX 2, KOFY 20, KQED 9 and then other random
> mixed language/format channels.
>
> Now I get, only when cloudy and part of the time, MAYBE
> 5-1 and even less reliably 2-1.  I have been able to
> tune in 20-1 occasionally.  I never expected to get 7
> any longer when it went back to VHF and of course that
> was the case.  I have never been able to even get a signal
> for 9 and use to reliably get a 40-50 signal and my
> tuner in both my DirecTV HR20 and Samsung Plasma will
> tune in a signal all the way down to 30.
>
> I have had an antennae since 2003 and always had some form
> of reception and it was reliable.  Other than my VHF
> antennae facing south for 8-1(NBC) and 35-1(FOX) my UHF
> antennae is now useless.
>
> What I do get at or near 100% power is 36-1, 48-1, 14-1, etc.
> I wish all the studios had a satellite transmission
> coming from Mt. Allison so that all of us in the south
> bay had reliable, high quality off-air reception.
>
> I cannot express how frustrated and disappointed I am in
> the "new" Sutro.
>


Well it IS good to hear that someone else here is not too thrilled with the new
Sutro setup, and that I am not the only one noticing signal variations due to
atmospheric/weather conditions.

Some here still refuse to accept the fact that in the real human world, not
everyone is able to erect the ideal outdoor antenna, or is just out in the
fringes. If more people were more flexible in their thinking there might be less
friction and animosity in this world.... not holding my breath however.

As to repeater or whatever the appropriate term, I have always thought that
Black Mountain, down the peninsula back of Woodside where the original KPEN FM
transmitter was, would be a good place for repeaters to better cover the south
of Santa Clara valley. It is high and more inline with Sutro and Bruno from more
places.

Steven, you referred to KBCW as 45, it's physical channel, I was merely trying
to reduce possible confusion for some who might be more used to the original
designation as ch 44 -- no big deal. I agree with those who think the PSIP
system for channel numbering was/is a mistake. It generates at least as much
confusion as it was designed to alleviate.


> ________________________________
> From: Stephen H. Fischer <SFischer1@...>
> To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 10:01:56 AM
> Subject: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Sutro is done, the leaves are falling.
>
> Hi,
>
> Sutro is done, the leaves are falling.
>
> I am starting to get a picture of what my reception will be this winter.
>
> KQED (30) reception has been spotty and gone completely some of the time in
> the afternoons (~ 3 PM, NewsHour).
>
> KBCW (45) was also gone Thursday but came back for the 49'ers game.
>
> KDFC (FM 102.1), KDFC-HD2 is dropping out (Silence at times) this morning.
>
> In the evenings and nights KQED and KBCW are OK as is KDFC-HD2.
>
> So, there will be problems for me with an antenna in my attic this Winter
> just like past years.
>
> Rotating my UHF antenna may or may not help, it did not just before the
> 49'ers game when I was in a panic.
>
> SHF
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Larry Kenney

To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:08 PM

Subject: Re: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Re: Sutro is done, the leaves are falling.

 

 ...

Many of the Bay Area FM stations have translators.  Most are for covering Marin and north, or the areas east of the East Bay hills.  Go to http://www.fmfool.com and put in your address.  Like TVFool, you'll get a complete list of FM stations, signal strength at your address, distance and direction to each transmitter, and lots more information.  Callsigns with FM1, FM2 and FM3 are on frequency translators.

...

Larry

SF

- - -

 

----- Original Message -----

From: epicurusradium

To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 2:03 PM

Subject: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Re: Sutro is done, the leaves are falling.

 

ok here but can't get 45/44 on either set/antennas (always weak even in analog days). 7 still a problem.... sigh.

I don't believe KDFC is on Sutro -- it is less than satisfactory here, even without regard to the digital sub-channel reception. Too bad as it is the only classical music station in a sea of mediocrity.

Anyone know if all stations are up to full allotted power yet?
Strange that KOFY 20 has always been very strong, 89 to 94 meter reading while other Sutro stations are generally in the range of 60 to 75 at best.

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen H. Fischer" <SFischer1@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Sutro is done, the leaves are falling.
>
> I am starting to get a picture of what my reception will be this winter.
>
> KQED (30) reception has been spotty and gone completely some of the time in
> the afternoons (~ 3 PM, NewsHour).
>
> KBCW (45) was also gone Thursday but came back for the 49'ers game.
>
> KDFC (FM 102.1), KDFC-HD2 is dropping out (Silence at times) this morning.
>
> In the evenings and nights KQED and KBCW are OK as is KDFC-HD2.
>
> So, there will be problems for me with an antenna in my attic this Winter
> just like past years.
>
> Rotating my UHF antenna may or may not help, it did not just before the
> 49'ers game when I was in a panic.
>
> SHF
>

KQED ok here but can't get 45/44 on either set/antennas (always weak even in
analog days). 7 still a problem.... sigh.

I don't believe KDFC is on Sutro -- it is less than satisfactory here, even
without regard to the digital sub-channel reception. Too bad as it is the only
classical music station in a sea of mediocrity.

Anyone know if all stations are up to full allotted power yet?
Strange that KOFY 20 has always been very strong, 89 to 94 meter reading while
other Sutro stations are generally in the range of 60 to 75 at best.

Hi,

Sutro is done, the leaves are falling.

I am starting to get a picture of what my reception will be this winter.

KQED (30) reception has been spotty and gone completely some of the time in
the afternoons (~ 3 PM, NewsHour).

KBCW (45) was also gone Thursday but came back for the 49'ers game.

KDFC (FM 102.1), KDFC-HD2 is dropping out (Silence at times) this morning.

In the evenings and nights KQED and KBCW are OK as is KDFC-HD2.

So, there will be problems for me with an antenna in my attic this Winter
just like past years.

Rotating my UHF antenna may or may not help, it did not just before the
49'ers game when I was in a panic.

SHF

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Peters

To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:52 PM

Subject: Re: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Re: Slightly off-topic: FM antenna

 

Thanks for the feedback. My problem seems really weird ....

The music on KDFC sounds fine, but the speech is all messed up ... I'm using a "bat" style antenna ...

+J

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:00 PM, nwsayer <nsayer@...> wrote:

 

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "bob_lopaka" <Lopakabob@...> wrote:
>
>
> Lots of numbers, one correction: UHF is 470-698 MHz (14-51).

Numeric keypad typo. :) Thanks.

--
Jim Peters
+1-415-608-0851

FWIW I have a single antenna on my roof which is probably a Winegard Chromstar
2000 series UHF-VHF-FM. I split the FM signal at the base of the antenna and run
a cable directly to my receiver. FM reception has never been an issue before,
during, or after the transition. KDFC is one of our favorite stations and has
always been crystal clear. We live in San Jose (Evergreen Valley).

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, Jim Peters <jim.peters@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I live in Brisbane on the south slope of San Bruno Mountain, with line of
> sight to Sutro. My FM reception (KDFC 102.1) seems to have gotten much worse
> since all the HDTV action on Sutro - can anyone offer a suggestion re what
> kind of antenna might improve the situation?
>
> Thanks, Jim
>

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "bob_lopaka" <Lopakabob@...> wrote:
>
>
> Lots of numbers, one correction:  UHF is 470-698 MHz (14-51).

Numeric keypad typo. :) Thanks.

Lots of numbers, one correction:  UHF is 470-698 MHz (14-51).

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "nwsayer" <nsayer@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, Jim Peters jim.peters@ wrote:
> >
> > Also does HD radio use the same antennas as HDTV?
>
> TV is divided into 3 chunks: VHF low, VHF high and UHF.
>
> VHF low is channels 2-6, and spans 54-88 MHz (there is a 4 MHz gap between channels 4 and 5 - 72-76 MHz - that is used for remote control cars and stuff).
>
> VHF high (7-13) is 174-216 MHz, and UHF is 470-698 MHz (17-51).
>
> FM is 88-108 MHz. That places it just above the top end of channel 6. A VHF low antenna generally will work for FM, but won't be quite as good as a dedicated 3 meter band antenna. The bigger problem is that VHF low antennas are almost always combined with VHF high and UHF antennas, which usually makes them performance compromises. You try and do 3 things and you won't do any one of them really well. :)
>
> Other trivia:
>
> TV channel 2 is just above the Amateur 6 meter band, from 50-54 MHz. After the FM band at 108 MHz there is an aviation communication band where they still use AM. That's 108-137 MHz. Then, between 137 MHz and 174 MHz are various land mobile sub-bands, including the marine VHF band, railroads, the amateur 2 meter band from 144-148 MHz and the NOAA weather channels around 162 MHz. Above channel 13 is a land-mobile band and the amateur 1.25 meter band from 222-225 MHz.
>

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, Jim Peters <jim.peters@...> wrote:
>
> Also does HD radio use the same antennas as HDTV?

TV is divided into 3 chunks: VHF low, VHF high and UHF.

VHF low is channels 2-6, and spans 54-88 MHz (there is a 4 MHz gap between
channels 4 and 5 - 72-76 MHz - that is used for remote control cars and stuff).

VHF high (7-13) is 174-216 MHz, and UHF is 470-698 MHz (17-51).

FM is 88-108 MHz. That places it just above the top end of channel 6. A VHF low
antenna generally will work for FM, but won't be quite as good as a dedicated 3
meter band antenna. The bigger problem is that VHF low antennas are almost
always combined with VHF high and UHF antennas, which usually makes them
performance compromises. You try and do 3 things and you won't do any one of
them really well. :)

Other trivia:

TV channel 2 is just above the Amateur 6 meter band, from 50-54 MHz. After the
FM band at 108 MHz there is an aviation communication band where they still use
AM. That's 108-137 MHz. Then, between 137 MHz and 174 MHz are various land
mobile sub-bands, including the marine VHF band, railroads, the amateur 2 meter
band from 144-148 MHz and the NOAA weather channels around 162 MHz. Above
channel 13 is a land-mobile band and the amateur 1.25 meter band from 222-225
MHz.

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen H. Fischer" <SFischer1@...>
wrote:

>
> Note, "HD" is a marketing label, not "High Definition". The old FM signal has
a wider frequency response.

Digital, in general, has always been a bit of a trade-off.

Our senses are analog. In attempting to create any digital representation of the
physical world there will always be quantization error. Then you pile on top of
that the various lossy compression schemes: they leverage the imprecision of our
senses to reduce the amount of data used to transmit the signal - they throw
away data regarded as unimportant.

The flip side of that trade-off, however, is error correction and noise immunity
(at least up to the point where the digital signal is converted back into
analog).

HD radio makes do with a relatively limited data rate because it has to ride on
top of an existing analog signal without widening it. ATSC, by contrast, gets to
use the entire 6 MHz channel to transmit the digital data stream. If you were,
say, to set up a 300 kHz wide QPSK channel, I dare say you'd be likely to be
able to run two channels of iTunes quality joint stereo audio easily. But you'd
have no analog listeners at all.

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Peters

To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:30 PM

Subject: Re: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Slightly off-topic: FM antenna

 

Also does HD radio use the same antennas as HDTV?

+J

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Jim Peters <jazzman.fh@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks. Is KDFC-HD2 commercial-free?

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Stephen H. Fischer <SFischer1@mindspring.com> wrote:

 

Hi, more:

Looking closer at the radio Locator page, there is another transmitter on Mt. Diablo. Much less power, 1000 Watts verses 33,000 but it is much higher.

3681 feet vs. 1047 feet.

I have a clear shot here in the South Bay to Diablo, I wonder which transmitter I am getting.

KDFC-HD2 is the station I listen to most of the time, KDFC-HD1 of course with the non HD FM radios.

　

SHF

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Stephen H. Fischer

To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:24 PM

Subject: Re: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Slightly off-topic: FM antenna

 

Hi,

 

KDFC is not on Sutro.

 

It is across the Golden Gate Bridge near Sausalito.

 

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?sr=Y&call=KDFC

 

SHF

 

 

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Peters

To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 6:47 PM

Subject: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Slightly off-topic: FM antenna

 

Hi

I live in Brisbane on the south slope of San Bruno Mountain, with line of sight to Sutro. My FM reception (KDFC 102.1) seems to have gotten much worse since all the HDTV action on Sutro - can anyone offer a suggestion re what kind of antenna might improve the situation?

Thanks, Jim

--
Jim Peters
+1-415-608-0851

--
Jim Peters
+1-415-608-0851

----- Original Message -----

From: Stephen H. Fischer

To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:24 PM

Subject: Re: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Slightly off-topic: FM antenna

 

Hi,

 

KDFC is not on Sutro.

 

It is across the Golden Gate Bridge near Sausalito.

 

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?sr=Y&call=KDFC

 

SHF

 

 

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Peters

To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 6:47 PM

Subject: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Slightly off-topic: FM antenna

 

Hi

I live in Brisbane on the south slope of San Bruno Mountain, with line of sight to Sutro. My FM reception (KDFC 102.1) seems to have gotten much worse since all the HDTV action on Sutro - can anyone offer a suggestion re what kind of antenna might improve the situation?

Thanks, Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Peters

To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 6:47 PM

Subject: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Slightly off-topic: FM antenna

 

Hi

I live in Brisbane on the south slope of San Bruno Mountain, with line of sight to Sutro. My FM reception (KDFC 102.1) seems to have gotten much worse since all the HDTV action on Sutro - can anyone offer a suggestion re what kind of antenna might improve the situation?

Thanks, Jim

> I live in Brisbane on the south slope of San Bruno Mountain, with line of
> sight to Sutro. My FM reception (KDFC 102.1) seems to have gotten much worse
> since all the HDTV action on Sutro - can anyone offer a suggestion re what
> kind of antenna might improve the situation?

I've been happy with a Winegard PR-6000. In case it's no longer available, it's
a 4 element Yagi.

Regards,

Rob