I agree with you, Ron.  You hear people complain regularly about problems
with Nortons and McAfee, and I've not heard a single complaint yet about
problems with PC-Cillin.  When I checked on hackfix.org's page, PC-Cillin
was one of only 2 who caught 100% of all the viruses they tested for.

Pam


>
>Hello Mo,
>
>I am very favorably impressed with PC-Cillin http://www.antivirus.com
>
>It has been very stable on my system, is rated as having excellent
>detection, has several very nice features including web content scanning
>and email scanning and Java protection, is updated regularly, and is
>relatively inexpensive. It definitely seems to me to be the best all-around
>AV solution available at the moment.
>
>HTH,
>
>Ron
>
>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
>
>On 11/4/2001 at 6:32 PM m. debrouwer wrote:
>
>>I am very thankful for this group.  I would like to know which type of
>>Virus software is recommended as there are so many to choose from.  My
>>greatest problem has been having viruses attack themselves to my outgoing
>>mail without my knowledge.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
>

Hello Mo,

I am very favorably impressed with PC-Cillin http://www.antivirus.com

It has been very stable on my system, is rated as having excellent
detection, has several very nice features including web content scanning
and email scanning and Java protection, is updated regularly, and is
relatively inexpensive. It definitely seems to me to be the best all-around
AV solution available at the moment.

HTH,

Ron

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 11/4/2001 at 6:32 PM m. debrouwer wrote:

>I am very thankful for this group.  I would like to know which type of
>Virus software is recommended as there are so many to choose from.  My
>greatest problem has been having viruses attack themselves to my outgoing
>mail without my knowledge.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

I am very thankful for this group.  I would like to know which type of Virus
software is recommended as there are so many to choose from.  My greatest
problem has been having viruses attack themselves to my outgoing mail without my
knowledge.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you
Mo


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Software Updates for Nov 04/2001

All Software listed Alphabetically by Company name as some companies manufacture
more then one product.

ANTI VIRUS

Central Command

AVX (AntiVirus eXpert)
Current Version: 6.1
http://www.centralcommand.com/homeuser.html
~~~~~

Command Software Systems

Command Anti Virus
Current Version: 4.62.4
http://www.commandcom.com/downloads/comdownloads/commercial.cfm
~~~~~

Grisoft Inc.

AVG Anti Virus
Current Version: 6.0
http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_downl.cfm
~~~~~

Network Associates

Dr Solomns
Current Version: 8.5
This product is no longer being supported.
Please see Mcafee Virus Scan

McAfee Virus Scan
Current Version: 6.01
http://download.mcafee.com/version/default.asp/
~~~~~

Computer Associates

eTrust EZ Antivirus
Current Version: 6.0
http://esupport.ca.com/public/enews/avalert/avcurrent.asp

InoculateITPE
Current Version: 5.2.9.0
This product is no longer being supported.
Please see eTrust EZ Antivirus

Vet Anti Virus
Current Version: 10.4.0.5
http://www.vet.com.au/html/software/download-95-98-me.html
~~~~~~

Kaspersky

Kaspersky Antivirus (Formerly AntiViral toolkit Pro)
Current Version: 3.5.5.4
http://www.kaspersky.com/download.asp
~~~~~

Norman Data Defence

Norman Virus Control
Current Version: 5.1
http://www.norman.com/products_nvc_5_1.shtml

Thunderbyte Anti Virus
Current Version: This product is no longer being supported.
http://www.norman.com/tbav.shtml
~~~~~~~

Symantec

Norton Antivirus
Current Version: 2002
http://www.symantec.com/nav/nav_9xnt/
~~~~~

Trend Micro

PcCillin
Current Version: 2000
http://www.antivirus.com/pc-cillin/products/pcc2000.htm
(PcCillin 6 is still supported)
~~~~~~~~~

ANTI TROJAN

Agnitum

Tauscan
Current Version: 1.6
http://www.agnitum.com/download/
~~~~~

AstonSoft

PC DoorGuard
Current Version: 2.11
http://www.astonsoft.com/history1.htm
~~~~~

Diamond Computer Systems

Trojan Defence Suite (TDS)
Current Version: 3 v3.2.0
http://tds.diamondcs.com.au/
~~~~~

Moosoft

The Cleaner
Current Version: 3266
http://www.moosoft.com/tdbindex.php
~~~~~

SaferSite

PestPatrol
Current Version: 2.01
http://SaferSite.com/PestPatrol/PestPatrol.pad.htm
~~~~~~~~~~

FIREWALL


Conseal

PC Firewall
Current Version: 2.09
http://www.consealfirewall.com/upgrade.htm
~~~~~

Internet Security Systems

BlackIce Defender
Current Version: 2.9.cai
http://www.networkice.com/downloads/blackice_defender.html
~~~~~

Network Associates

Mcafee Firewall
Current Version: 3.01
http://download.mcafee.com/version/default.asp
~~~~~

Sygate Technologies

Sygate Personal Firewall
Current Version: 4.2 Build 872
http://www.sygate.com/free/spf_download.htm
~~~~~

Symantec

Nortons Personal Firewall
Current Version: 2002
http://www.symantec.com/sabu/nis/npf/
~~~~~

Tiny Software

Tiny Personal Firewall
Current Version: Build 2.0.15
http://new.tinysoftware.com/home/tiny?s=2046050598993495102A8&pg=download
~~~~~

ZoneLabs

ZoneAlarm
Current Version: 2.6.357
http://www.zonelabs.com/products/za/rel_history.html
~~~~~~~~~

If there is a program that is Not listed here that you
would like to see added to the monthly updates list
Please feel free to let us know.

Remember Your  software is only as good as the user...
If you don't keep it upgraded to the current version it won't
provide you with maximum protection.

This monthly Update will be sent the First Sunday of each month
on or after 6pm (eastern) to keep you up to date on current
software versions. Software versions are checked for most recent
upgrade/version date as of 6pm on the First Sunday of each month.

Please keep in mind some urls may change periodically so refer
to the most recent reminder for proper url information.   If an url
does not work please do let us know so we may find the correct
url for the next reminder.

~ Hackfix Project Staff
staff@...
Http://www.hackfix.org

3017 St Clair Ave #176
Burlington, Ontario
L7R 3L7

With the recent release of Windows XP some may be wondering/concerned if their
antivirus and security programs will be able to make the upgrades.  We have
listed here the most common software/sites to provide you links to information
on whether your software is compatible or not.

We do hope you find it helpful in deciding to go for the XP upgrade or not.

If your product(s) are not listed here and you would like information please
email us at Hackfix-VirusHelp-owner@yahoogroups.com specifying which
product/version you require information on and we will gladly try to find the
correct information.

We have made every effort possible to locate XP information both on the
manufacturers web site(s) and via email contact but at the time of this posting
some software we have not been able to verify XP compatibility.  These products
will be notable with an  "Information Unavailable at this time"  As we find or
receive confirmation of XP compatibility we will repost correct information.
~~~

All Software listed Alphabetically by Company name as some companies manufacture
more then one product.

ANTI VIRUS

Central Command

AVX (AntiVirus eXpert)
Current Version: Information Unavailable at this time
~~~~~

Command Software Systems

Command Anti Virus
Windows XP compatible: Yes
http://www.commandcom.com/single/winnt2k.html (singleuser)
http://www.commandcom.com/enterprise/winntw2k.html (corporate)
~~~~~

Grisoft Inc.

AVG Anti Virus
Windows XP Compatible: Yes
http://www.grisoft.com/html/compatible.html
~~~~~

Network Associates

Dr Solomns
Current Version: 8.5
This product is no longer being supported.
Please see Mcafee Virus Scan

McAfee Virus Scan
Windows XP Compatible: Yes
http://mcafeestore.beyond.com/Product/0,1057,3-18-SN107852,00.html?
~~~~~

Computer Associates

eTrust EZ Antivirus
Windows XP Compatible: Yes
http://support.ca.com/Download/ildrvupdate.html

InoculateITPE
This product is no longer being supported.
Please see eTrust EZ Antivirus

Vet Anti Virus
Windows XP Compatibility: Yes
http://www.vet.com.au/html/software/download-nt-2000.html
~~~~~~

Kaspersky

Kaspersky Antivirus (Formerly AntiViral toolkit Pro)
Windows XP Compatible: XP availability due November 15/2001
http://www.kaspersky.com/download.asp
~~~~~

Norman Data Defence

Norman Virus Control
Windows XP Compatible: Information Unavailable at this time
http://www.norman.com/products_nvc_5_1.shtml

Thunderbyte Anti Virus
Current Version: This product is no longer being supported.
http://www.norman.com/tbav.shtml
~~~~~~~

Symantec

Norton Antivirus
Windows XP Compatible: Yes
http://www.symantec.com/nav/nav_9xnt/sys_req.html
~~~~~

Trend Micro

PcCillin
Windows XP Compatible: Yes
http://www.antivirus.com/pc-cillin/products/pcc2000.htm
~~~~~~~~~

ANTI TROJAN

Agnitum

Tauscan
Windows XP Compatible: Yes
http://www.agnitum.com/download/
~~~~~

AstonSoft

PC DoorGuard
Windows XP Compatible: Beta version only
http://www.astonsoft.com/pdgbeta.htm
~~~~~

Diamond Computer Systems

Trojan Defence Suite (TDS)
Windows XP Compatible: Still in testing stages, No ETA at this time.
http://tds.diamondcs.com.au/
~~~~~

Moosoft

The Cleaner
Windows XP Compatible: Yes
http://www.moosoft.com/features.php
~~~~~

SaferSite

PestPatrol
Windows XP Compatible: Soon to be released, ETA unknown at this time
http://SaferSite.com/PestPatrol/PestPatrol.pad.htm
~~~~~~~~~~

FIREWALL


Conseal

PC Firewall
Windows XP Compatible: Information Unavailable at this time
~~~~~

Internet Security Systems

BlackIce Defender
Windows XP Compatible: Yes
http://www.networkice.com/index.html
~~~~~

Network Associates

Mcafee Firewall
Windows XP Compatible: Yes
http://mcafeestore.beyond.com/Product/0,1057,3-18-SN107853,00.html
~~~~~

Sygate Technologies

Sygate Personal Firewall
Windows XP Compatible: Yes
http://www.sygate.com/free/spf_download.htm#spfreq
~~~~~

Symantec

Nortons Personal Firewall
Windows XP Compatible: Yes
http://www.symantec.com/sabu/nis/npf/sys_req.html
~~~~~

Tiny Software

Tiny Personal Firewall
Windows XP Compatible: Information Unavailable at this time
http://new.tinysoftware.com/home/tiny?s=2046050598993495102A8&pg=download
~~~~~

ZoneLabs

ZoneAlarm
Windows XP Compatible: Yes
http://www.zonelabs.com/products/za/index.html
~~~~~~~~~


~ Hackfix Project Staff
staff@...
Http://www.hackfix.org

3017 St Clair Ave #176
Burlington, Ontario
L7R 3L7

This weeks Virus Pattern Updates (11/01/2001)


AVG (http://www.grisoft.com/)
Last updated Oct 29/2001
To update your software
	 Visit http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_updt.cfm
  	 Or
	 Open AVG and click Virus Database to check for updates or
	 Open AVG control centre and click Update Manager/update now

~~~~~

AVX (AntiVirus eXpert)
Last Updated Oct 26/2001
To update your software
	 Visit
	 http://www.antivirusexpert.com/update.html
	 (for information)  Or
	 Open AVX and select "update" from the toolbar

~~~~

Command antivirus/Fprot
Last Updated Nov 01/2001
To update your software
	 Visit
	 http://www.complex.is/f-prot/Download.html (F-Prot)
	 http://www.commandcom.com/downloads/virus_definition_updates.html
             (Command)
	 Or
	 Open Command antivirus click Update Deffiles
~~~~
Computer Associates
Last updated Nov 01/2001
To update your software
	 For InoculateIT (all versions including E-trust)
	 http://support.cai.com/Download/virussig.html
	 For Vet Anti virus
	 Visit http://www.vet.com.au/html/update.html

	 Be sure to have your Customer ID and your registered email
	 address handy for verification.

~~~~

Kaspersky Anti-Virus (Previously known as AntiViral toolkit Pro..as of
Feb-01-2001)
Last updated Oct 26/2001
To update your software
	 Visit http://www.kasperskylabs.com/updates.asp
	 Or
	 Open AVP from the top toolbar click Tools-> Update virus
	 definition

*Note*  Avp now has available a cumulative update and a
daily update with the daily being any important items they
feel shouldn't wait till the next cumulative update.  Our
dates here are based on the most recent Major update.

**Note:  Improved update accessiblity.  To ease the update web traffic
Kaspersky labs has additional servers for autoupdating.  The program
defaults to use one server but can be altered to check a variety of servers.
Select Kaspersky updater, select update via the internet to open the drop
down box(es) select "location"  Check the box labeled "Use alternate
locations from the list"  select next and next to update.  This option should
stay selected after the first time.  This helps Kaspersky lighten the load for
updates and helps you obtain updates easier.
~~~~~

Mcafee (also known as Drsolomns)
Last updated Oct 31/2001
To update your software
	 For Mcafee Visit
	 http://www.nai.com/asp_set/download/dats/superdat.asp
	 (for Virus and Engine updates)
	 http://www.nai.com/asp_set/download/dats/mcafee_4x.asp
	 (for Just virus pattern updates)

	 For Drsolomn (Product no longer available for new users however updates still
available                                     for current users):
	 Go to the following Internet site: http://download.mcafee.com/updates/4x.asp
             IMPORTANT: When you get to this site you may notice that it refers
to
             VirusScan. This update is not only for VirusScan. It also works with
Dr.
             Solomon's.

Altho there is "live Update" options available with both Mcafee
and Drsolomns they don't always work, if you wish to try them
Open your respective software virus scan scheduler, double
click Auto update, click Run Now to do a manual live update,
or click Schedule to set up a timed live update.
~~~~

Norman
Last updated Oct 30/2001
To update your software
	 http://www.norman.com/downloads.shtml#definition_files_updates
	 Be sure to have your Valid Username and password handy for
	 verification.
  	 Or
	 From the Norman folder in your Start Menu click "Internet
	 Update"
~~~~

Nortons
Last updated Oct 31/2001
To update your software
	 Visit http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/defs.download.html
	 select your language -> product from the list
	 Or
	 Open Nortons software and click the "live update" button
~~~~

PcCillin (also known as Trend AntiVirus)
Last updated Nov 01/2001
To update your software
	 Visit http://www.antivirus.com/download/updates.htm
	 Be sure to have your Registration number handy for verification
	 Or
	 Open PcCillin click Update then click Update Now (or Update
	 later to Schedule a timed update)
~~~~

If there is an Anti Virus program that is Not listed here that
you would like to see added to the weekly updates list Please
feel free to let us know.

Remember Your anti virus software is only as good as the user...
If you don't keep it updated it won't provide you with maximum
protection.

This weekly Update will be sent every Thursday on or after
6pm (eastern) to keep you up to date on virus pattern updates
available. Virus patterns are checked for most recent update
date as of 6pm Thursdays.

~~~~

~ Hackfix Project Staff
staff@...
Http://www.hackfix.org

3017 St Clair Ave #176
Burlington, Ontario
L7R 3L7

Nimda.E returns
~~
W32.Nimda.E@mm

  Threat Assessment=Medium/High

Due to an increase in submissions, Symantec Security Response is upgrading
the threat assessment of W32.Nimda.E@mm from Category 2 to Category 3.

Certified Virus Definitions have been posted.

W32.Nimda.E@mm is a new version of W32.Nimda.A@mm that contains bug-fixes
and other modifications, which are designed to prevent detection of this
variant by antivirus programs.

This worm is similar in functionality to W32.Nimda.A@mm. Differences
include the modification of file names used by the worm.

The attachment received has been changed to: Sample.exe  The dropped .dll
file is now: Httpodbc.dll   The worm now copies itself to the
\Windows\System folder as Csrss.exe  instead of Mmc.exe

For more information: Symantec
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.nimda.e@mm.html
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.nimda.a@mm.html

or: Computer Associates
For details on Nimda.A and a utility to clean
infections of all Nimda variants, please visit:
http://www.ca.com/virusinfo/encyclopedia/descriptions/n/nimda.htm

or: Kaspersky Labs
http://www.viruslist.com/eng/viruslist.asp?id=4261&key=00001000130000100103

Mike
It's a good day if I learned something new
<mikeswhatsnews-subscribe@yahoogroups.com>
You can read a sample of my newsletter on my web page
http://www3.telus.net/mikebike/
My virus pages http://virusinfo.hackfix.org
mytech@...

Hi Mike

Thanks for the info from ZoneLabs... but in fact I use neither ZA's
deskband nor V-Shield most of the time (my sacrifice to processing power on
a low-spec machine... I'm just utterly paranoid about opening files instead
;-))... it really seems to be an issue between ZA and the NETA download
manager - similar to the download issue mentioned by Russ & Ninja for
Clinic...

Incidentally, has anyone else had problems with VScan "hanging" when trying
to scan plain (non-script) HTML files? (Granted this may be because my
4.0.5 engine needs upgrading...)

PM

------------------------------------------------------------
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The less dark obsession: http://www.smiliesunlimited.com
:-: Computers have brought us to the Death of Silence :-:

Good morning

All of our readers should be advised that None of the antivirus/antitrojan
companies will Ever send product updates via email unless You specifically ask
for them.  Do not ever open/install a product update that is sent via email.

Ants (A New Trojan Scanner) as mentioned in the article is a newer antitrojan
product that is very real however the update mentioned is not!. Ants is
completely in German which makes testing by us nearly impossible.

For more information on this please see:
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.anset.worm.html
http://www.antivirus.com/pc-cillin/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=TROJ_AN
SET.B
http://vil.nai.com/vil/virusSummary.asp?virus_k=99234

Christy
~~~~

This item borrowed from Pete Moss Publications "spam news"
(http://www.petemoss.com)

NASTY EMAIL GIVES ANTS A CASE OF WORMS - The Register 10/26/2001 by John Leyden
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/56/22498.html

  An email purporting to offer a patch to a Trojan horse scanner, popular in
Germany, is actually an Internet worm.

The Anset worm, which is doing the rounds on the Internet (and comes in three
variants), spreads as an email attachment named ants3set.exe. This poses as
ANTS Version 3.0, but is actually a mass mailing virus that effects Windows
machines. If you run the attachment, you get infected.

Graham Cluley, senior technology consultant at Sophos Anti-Virus, said the
trick of disguising malicious code as security software was "as old as the
hills". A virus writer called Dark Avenger wrote a virus which claimed to be
McAfee VirusScan in the early 1990s, he added.

Hi Past Master,
Zone Alarm has this information in there data base, it may help;
http://www.zonelabs.com/services/support_issues.htm#8issues
. McAfee V-Shield.
We are aware of a conflict between ZoneAlarm's deskband and McAfee's V-Shield.
To resolve this conflict:

- Step 1. Exit McAfee's V-Shield from the system tray.
- Step 2. Right-click on the task bar to launch the ZoneAlarm desk band.
- Step 3. Load Mcafee's V-Shield from McAfee anti-virus's "Options."
- Step 4. Select "V-Shield's Properties."
- Step 5. Click "OK" or "Yes " when prompted, "Do you want to load V-Shield
now?"

McAfee's V-Shield and ZoneAlarm/ZoneAlarm Pro should now function together.
~~~~~

Mike
It's a good day if I learned something new
<mikeswhatsnews-subscribe@yahoogroups.com>
You can read a sample of my newsletter on my web page
http://www3.telus.net/mikebike/
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*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 10/29/01 at 1:15 AM PastMaster wrote:


Well... I *do* have ZA configured to allow McAfee's NETA download engine to
access the Internet for updates, but nevertheless I have occasionally found
that if ZA is set to "high" NETA doesn't work properly... the quick and
dirty solution that works for me (can't vouch for it for anyone else, of
course) is just to tune ZA down to medium just while the connection is
established.

PM

------------------------------------------------------------
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The less dark obsession: http://www.smiliesunlimited.com
:-: Computers have brought us to the Death of Silence :-:

--- Ron Allen <chizotz@...> wrote:
>I strongly, strongly doubt that it is ZoneAlarm -- providing
>you properly configured ZoneAlarm to allow the AV update
>software to access the Internet through the firewall.

Well... I *do* have ZA configured to allow McAfee's NETA download engine to
access the Internet for updates, but nevertheless I have occasionally found
that if ZA is set to "high" NETA doesn't work properly... the quick and
dirty solution that works for me (can't vouch for it for anyone else, of
course) is just to tune ZA down to medium just while the connection is
established.

PM

------------------------------------------------------------
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The less dark obsession: http://www.smiliesunlimited.com
:-: Computers have brought us to the Death of Silence :-:

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Altho I am not Ron ill add my $0.02 (Canadian <g>) to this one....

For most antivirus products it is Not a good idea to have more then one running
at any given time.  It is Always recommended you keep one for everyday/always
on scanning as you work and another secondary program for ondemand/second
opinion scanning of individual files after you download/before running them as
well as regular complete system scans.  With the steady increase of new
infections its possible that one product may be somewhat behind another in
detection so with two you have better odds of catching an infection before it
spreads.

The main reasoning behind this is each program is going to treat your files
differently as they scan/test for infections.  If you have two antivirus
programs trying to check the same file at the same time you may end up with
problems and/or the corruption of files.

The Most important thing to remember is to keep all the antivirus programs
Updated!!!!  I cant stress that enough,  an antivirus program that is not
regularly updated isn't going to be able to help you in any way!!!

Hope that helps

Christy

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 10/27/01 at 4:15 PM cheney@... wrote:

>Hi Ron,
>
>Thanks!  I wonder if Antidote can be run with H+BEDV at the same time?
>Actually, I think I could keep Antidote in reserve, and just exit H+BEDV
>in order to run Antidote on something.  Should work.
>

>Yes, that's a great group.  Definitely a good thing.  Thanks again!
>
>
>ttyl,
>
>Raphael
>

Evening Raphael (my keyboard and bad spelling tend to mistype your name every
time so I will apologize Now for any past or future very unintentional
misspelling of your name)

On the antidote thing,  this appears to be a big problem with a lot of users,
they forget or cant be bothered to scan each file before running/installing
etc.  Its a good habit to get into on a regular basis.  When I am downloading I
tend to download to one single folder and scan it All before running any file
in it, but thats just me and I have never got caught by a virus (or any other
malware)

As for the "Best" antivirus program.  I can honestly say there is No Best.
What I find in a good antivirus program may be useless to you (or vice versa!)
Each antivirus program has its good points and its bad.

Listed randomly with a good point (s) and an equal number of bad point(s)
listed for each (this is not a completely list but an example)

Nortons tends to use a Lot of resources but it tends to catch a fair amount of
the email worms going around where as other antivirus programs don't even offer
default email scanning.  (some programs offer an additional/plugin for email
scanning)

Antidote is freeware that uses no resources, but cant be run in the background
and doesn't remove infections.

Pc-Cillin doesn't have a default email scan ability, But the tech support is
fantastic if you need it!

InoculateIT PE (for those that can still use it) offers updates almost daily
for even the slightest possible problem, but no longer offers program upgrades.

As you can see I have tried to hit on a few different areas that may be
important to you (or others)  The best thing to do with choosing an antivirus
program is ask around to people you know.

What anti virus program do you use ?
What is the current version ?
How often is it updated ?
What kind of resources does it use ?
Have you had to use tech support (and how helpful was it) ?
Is a version offered for your operating system ?
Does it offer email scanning and auto web/download scanning ?
Are pattern updates limited to a subscription (yearly for example) or are they
indefinite ?

This is No where a complete list of possible questions to ask but it gives you
a starting point.  Once you have asked around to those that you know you will
no doubt have a few good suggestions ( 3- 5 ) that you will want to look into
further.  This is when you visit the softwares web site.  Is the site easy to
get around ?  can you find what you are looking for ? do a little research on
the product(s) itself.   Most antivirus products offer trial versions so you
can try them out to see how comfortable You are with it before purchasing it
(always be sure to purchase the product you decide to keep to help promote
further development of the product).

All of this applies to anti trojan products (PC Doorguard/Pest patrol etc) as
well as Firewall software.  There is no Best its all in what the particular
user wants/needs it to do!

Hopefully that helps (and yes I know I didn't specify which program I
personally use/prefer as I have a working opinion on all of them)

Christy

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On 10/27/01 at 10:49 AM cheney@... wrote:

>Good Morning Christy,

>Antidote sounds like a very good deal.  However, the last time I got a
>live computer virus, once I clicked on the attachment, there was no time
>to do anything manually.  It was click-boom! and in a bare split-second
>up popped an antiviral notice that a virus had just been detected and
>stopped.  There is a maxim in certain circles that "if it is too
>difficult to use, the users will tend to neglect using it, and the
>danger factor will be magnified" or words to that effect.
>
>I might ask next, what's the best paid antivirus program in the $30
>range?  I'm told PC-cillin is top-rated.
>
>PC DoorGuard 2 has an xlnt windows interface or 'skin'.  The registered
>version easily removes trojans for you; the trialware version does not
>remove trojans (a very persuasive sales pitch).  But another top-rated
>anti-trojan program, Pest Patrol, works the same way in that only the
>registered version removes anything, and the 'skin' for Pest Patrol is
>not nearly as detailed.
>
>
>Raphael
>

Thanks Ron, Netsonic is a web accelerator, and I was aware of gators
spy characteristics. I am reasonably sure I have zone alarm
configured, but I will try your suggestion one at a time and post the
results when I try it. Russ
--- Ron Allen <chizotz@...> wrote:
  Hello Russ and Ninja,

  I strongly, strongly doubt that it is ZoneAlarm -- providing you
  properly
  configured ZoneAlarm to allow the AV update software to access the
  Internet
  through the firewall. If you did not do that, then yes it probably
  was
  ZoneAlarm, but it was ZoneAlarm doing exactly what it was designed
  to do.

  More likely the problem was with one of your download
  accelerator/resumer
  programs. Those are notorious for not working with all servers and
  causing
  various problems. Chances are that McAfee has not set up their
  server to
  cooperate with accelerators/resumers, and that's why you're having
  problems. Try adding the programs back in one at a time and see
  which one
  is causing the problem. I'd be willing to bet ZoneAlarm, if
  properly
  configured, is totally transparent to the download.

  BTW, the last time I heard, Gator is spyware. It tracks your
  Internet usage
  and sends data on you back to them for advertising and who knows
  what other
  purposes. I don't know about NetSonic, but maybe it is spyware too.

  HTH,

  Ron

Hello Russ and Ninja,

>I have had a terrible time downloading updates from the on line
>McAfee Clinic. They could not help other than uninstall and
>reinstall, after 3 times doing that, I finally discovered that
>closing zone alarm, gator, and netsonic pro, STOPPED the problem and
>now the new dat files load like they are supposed to. Hope someone
>can use the tip, my guess is zone alarm was causing the problem. Russ

I strongly, strongly doubt that it is ZoneAlarm -- providing you properly
configured ZoneAlarm to allow the AV update software to access the Internet
through the firewall. If you did not do that, then yes it probably was
ZoneAlarm, but it was ZoneAlarm doing exactly what it was designed to do.

More likely the problem was with one of your download accelerator/resumer
programs. Those are notorious for not working with all servers and causing
various problems. Chances are that McAfee has not set up their server to
cooperate with accelerators/resumers, and that's why you're having
problems. Try adding the programs back in one at a time and see which one
is causing the problem. I'd be willing to bet ZoneAlarm, if properly
configured, is totally transparent to the download.

BTW, the last time I heard, Gator is spyware. It tracks your Internet usage
and sends data on you back to them for advertising and who knows what other
purposes. I don't know about NetSonic, but maybe it is spyware too.

HTH,

Ron

Russ & Ninja

If I have any more trouble downloading antivirus updates, I'll try
closing ZoneAlarm.  Thank you for the tip!

Raphael

russell vance wrote:

  I have had a terrible time downloading updates from the on line
  McAfee Clinic. They could not help other than uninstall and
  reinstall, after 3 times doing that, I finally discovered that
  closing zone alarm, gator, and netsonic pro, STOPPED the problem and
  now the new dat files load like they are supposed to. Hope someone
  can use the tip, my guess is zone alarm was causing the problem. Russ

  =====
  Russ & Ninja

Hi Ron,

Thanks!  I wonder if Antidote can be run with H+BEDV at the same time?
Actually, I think I could keep Antidote in reserve, and just exit H+BEDV
in order to run Antidote on something.  Should work.

My ram came today.  We put it in and it booted right up with 98+ megs of
ram on the display.  Everything seems snappier, and Quake2 is working
much more smoothly even with the old video card, and I've been using the
video option that employs Voodoo2.

Yes, that's a great group.  Definitely a good thing.  Thanks again!

I asked at askme.com before in the 'computer security' department, about
AlphaCentaure and it's files being 'infected' with 'radmin201'.  Today,
I asked at askme.com in the 'astronomy' department.  We'll soon see what
anyone has to say about it.

ttyl,

Raphael

Ron Allen wrote:
>
> Hi Raphael,
>
> I'm glad you joined this new group! Christy is a true expert in anti-virus
> stuff, and Mike knows far more than I do too. These are the folks I trust
> to help me with my anti-virus concerns. Welcome to the group :)
>
> Quote from Christy:
> >> My personal suggestion for a "freeware" antivirus application would
> >>be Antidote
> >>(http://www.vintage-solutions.com/English/Antidote/Support/Update/VirusDia
> g.html
> >>apologies for the long url!)  Antidote being a freeware application also
> has
> >>its draw backs but its advantages may outweigh them this time.
> >>Antidote by our testings have come out with flying colours for detecting
> >>infections, it scans both regular program files and compressed files
> >>with ease, it is the only antivirus program that I am aware of that can
> >>still be run from Floppy, and it isn't a resource hog.  The main
> >>disadvantages with antidote,  Its not a full time always running scanner,
> >>its meant for on demand scan a file/folder/system as required.
>
> That sounds like a reasonable trade-off to me. A top-notch scanner that
> provides reliable results, but doesn't sit in the background eating up RAM
> and system resources, may be just the answer you're looking for. Until you
> are able to get a newer system, as long as you are very careful to scan
> everything that comes in this sounds like a pretty good compromise for you.
> And the price is definitely right :)
>
> Ron
>

I have had a terrible time downloading updates from the on line
McAfee Clinic. They could not help other than uninstall and
reinstall, after 3 times doing that, I finally discovered that
closing zone alarm, gator, and netsonic pro, STOPPED the problem and
now the new dat files load like they are supposed to. Hope someone
can use the tip, my guess is zone alarm was causing the problem. Russ

=====
Russ & Ninja

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Hi Raphael,

I'm glad you joined this new group! Christy is a true expert in anti-virus
stuff, and Mike knows far more than I do too. These are the folks I trust
to help me with my anti-virus concerns. Welcome to the group :)

Quote from Christy:
>> My personal suggestion for a "freeware" antivirus application would
>>be Antidote
>>(http://www.vintage-solutions.com/English/Antidote/Support/Update/VirusDia
g.html
>>apologies for the long url!)  Antidote being a freeware application also
has
>>its draw backs but its advantages may outweigh them this time.
>>Antidote by our testings have come out with flying colours for detecting
>>infections, it scans both regular program files and compressed files
>>with ease, it is the only antivirus program that I am aware of that can
>>still be run from Floppy, and it isn't a resource hog.  The main
>>disadvantages with antidote,  Its not a full time always running scanner,
>>its meant for on demand scan a file/folder/system as required.

That sounds like a reasonable trade-off to me. A top-notch scanner that
provides reliable results, but doesn't sit in the background eating up RAM
and system resources, may be just the answer you're looking for. Until you
are able to get a newer system, as long as you are very careful to scan
everything that comes in this sounds like a pretty good compromise for you.
And the price is definitely right :)

Ron

Good Morning Christy,

> Actually, I'm a little afraid
> >to contact the German source, out of fear they may check back with the
> >English-speaking source, and then maybe the German source could cut me
> >off too.  Why the English source cut me off, I am not sure, except that
> >I repeatedly failed to install their last update and that's when
> >everything went wrong and I started getting 'forbidden' when trying to
> >go to their home web page.
>
> What exactly is their web page, preferably the English so maybe we can look
> into it some ?

The English web page is permitting me access again.  It is;
http://www.hbedv.com/download/download.htm
Looks like they're going to cycle out all the freeloaders at the end of
the year.





>
> >
> >Actually, the question if any is;
> >
> >what freeware antiviral -or other- programs are most recommended.  I
> >think the drawbacks with AVG were that it made my system noticeably very
> >slow and sluggish executing every single action or program, and always
> >had long calendar delays between updates.  Otherwise, I hear it is a
> >very good program.
>
> On the "Freeware" aspect of antivirus programs.  Some tend to look at it as
> "You get what you pay for"  AVG altho freeware appears to have its draw backs
> no matter how you look at it and so will others.   My personal suggestion for
a
> "freeware" antivirus application would be Antidote

Antidote sounds like a very good deal.  However, the last time I got a
live computer virus, once I clicked on the attachment, there was no time
to do anything manually.  It was click-boom! and in a bare split-second
up popped an antiviral notice that a virus had just been detected and
stopped.  There is a maxim in certain circles that "if it is too
difficult to use, the users will tend to neglect using it, and the
danger factor will be magnified" or words to that effect.

I might ask next, what's the best paid antivirus program in the $30
range?  I'm told PC-cillin is top-rated.

PC DoorGuard 2 has an xlnt windows interface or 'skin'.  The registered
version easily removes trojans for you; the trialware version does not
remove trojans (a very persuasive sales pitch).  But another top-rated
anti-trojan program, Pest Patrol, works the same way in that only the
registered version removes anything, and the 'skin' for Pest Patrol is
not nearly as detailed.

Thank you for the comments on AlphaCentaure, the French-language
astronomy program.  Here is the home web page for 'radmin201';
http://www.famatech.com/

Quote from the site; "Controlling and viewing a remote PC just got
easier and faster thanks to Remote Administrator..."

Another web site calling it a trojan, at;

http://www.glocksoft.com/trojan_list/Remote_Administrator.htm

In view of this, I agree that having 'radmin201', the program for
"remote-control of other computers", is quite an ominous thing to get
slipped as an undisclosed 'extra' in one's astronomy program.  I think
it is a good thing that PC DoorGuard 2 categorizes it as a trojan.  For
anyone who thinks otherwise, they can always ignore the warning message
PC DoorGuard 2 gives everytime it scans and finds it.  I'm just an
armchair astronomy buff myself, and I only use EZCosmos to find the moon
so I can go outside and look up at it, but I might get on askme.com and
ask specifically about this situation with AlphaCentaure and 'radmin201'
and see what the 'pros' have to say about it there.

Raphael

Evening Again Raphael

Ill try to add my comments in with yours as there are a variety of different
items addressed here.

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On 10/26/01 at 6:17 PM cheney@... wrote:

>Good evening Christy,
>
<snipped>

Actually, I'm a little afraid
>to contact the German source, out of fear they may check back with the
>English-speaking source, and then maybe the German source could cut me
>off too.  Why the English source cut me off, I am not sure, except that
>I repeatedly failed to install their last update and that's when
>everything went wrong and I started getting 'forbidden' when trying to
>go to their home web page.

What exactly is their web page, preferably the English so maybe we can look
into it some ?

>
>Actually, the question if any is;
>
>what freeware antiviral -or other- programs are most recommended.  I
>think the drawbacks with AVG were that it made my system noticeably very
>slow and sluggish executing every single action or program, and always
>had long calendar delays between updates.  Otherwise, I hear it is a
>very good program.

On the "Freeware" aspect of antivirus programs.  Some tend to look at it as
"You get what you pay for"  AVG altho freeware appears to have its draw backs
no matter how you look at it and so will others.   My personal suggestion for a
"freeware" antivirus application would be Antidote
(http://www.vintage-solutions.com/English/Antidote/Support/Update/VirusDiag.html
   apologies for the long url!)  Antidote being a freeware application also has
its draw backs but its advantages may outweigh them this time.  Antidote by our
testings have come out with flying colours for detecting infections, it scans
both regular program files and compressed files with ease, it is the only
antivirus program that I am aware of that can still be run from Floppy, and it
isn't a resource hog.  The main disadvantages with antidote,  Its not a full
time always running scanner, its meant for on demand scan a file/folder/system
as required.  It will not sit in the background and auto scan items as others
do.  The other disadvantage with antidote is it is a Detect only program.
meaning it will Detect your infection(s) but is unable to clean them.  it will
tell you the common name/label of an infection so you can go to any of the
reputable antivirus sites for more information and removal instructions.
Personally its well worth the price in my opinion.

>
>I'm very happy with PC DoorGuard 2.  Here's why.
<snipped>

Then over about
>the next six to ten months, my registered F-Stop-W expired, and I
>switched through three or four different freeware antiviral programs.
>Never any alarms.  Then I got PC DoorGuard 2 as an initial trialware
>version, and on first scan it found what it reported as a trojan called
>'radmin201' in the AlphaCentaure program.  The trialware PC DG 2
>wouldn't delete anything, so I deleted the entire AlphaCentaure folder
>myself.

Its possible PCDoorguard did not delete the infection for one of two possible
reasons.  Because you were using it as a "trialware" it may have been unable to
delete, on the other hand its also possible you didn't have it set properly to
auto delete an infection upon detection ( I don't know the default settings for
PC Doorguard in either the trialware or fullversion).  Most
antivirus/antitrojan type programs tend to default to only scan "program files"
and don't bother with compressed files in anyway until you specify such in the
options/settings.

>Within two or three weeks, I had paid for and received the
>registered version of PC DG 2.  I was very impressed that none of my
>antiviral programs had ever indicated a problem with AlphaCentaure, but
>PC DoorGuard 2 found it right away.  I got on askme.com and asked about
>'radmin201', and was given a web page that said that it was a
>first-class legitimate program for 'remote control of personal
>computers'.

Unless the web page you visited for this information was of the reliable source
(such as say  CNN/Pcworld/about.com etc just examples of common reliable
sources) you can not be 100% sure its a "legitimate program"  anyone can claim
that a program is legit but unless they have reliability and sources to prove
it you cant guarantee anything...

  A suggestion was also made that it might be part of
>AlphaCentaure to help control telescopes or something, but since
>AlphaCentaure is in French, I never could learn much about it anyways.
>But the 'expert' at askme.com said although 'radmin201' is a legit
>program, for 'openly used purposes', it was very wrong for it to be
>installed on my computer without my knowledge like that, and definitely
>a security hole.

Personally a legit program or not that installs something like this without
your knowledge is definitely a security/privacy vulnerability!

>
>A side note.  When we bought our SB Live Creative Platinum Soundblaster
>sound card, it came with a lot of free software, including a pay-for
>internet telephone program.  Shortly after purchasing PC DoorGuard 2, I
>downloaded Ad-Aware, ran the scanner for spyware, and it found a spyware
>program in the internet telepone program, which I promptly deleted.
>

When it comes to Adware you will again find Mixed feelings on the subject, some
say its a part of the Internet and learn to live with it, Others will do
anything/everything they can not to run programs affiliated with any sort of
"adware"

Hopefully all of that helps some.

Just a small note: when replying to posts please try to trim out excessive
text/trailers to help those that do not get unlimited Internet access like a
lot of us have become accustomed to, this also helps our digest readers follow
along easier.

Christy

Good evening Christy,

Thanks for replying.  So far as I know, the PC DoorGuard 2 does run
actively with the antiviral program.  In fact, it does say it actively
runs in the background compatibly with all antiviral programs.  On the
German H+BEDV program, I really goofed on that because one of my failed
attempts to install the update download fouled it up somehow.
Chronically low ram seems to do that to some of my programs, and more
ram is due any day now.  So at that point, I uninstalled the H+BEDV,
planning to reinstall, but it *totally* uninstalled itself.  I usually
keep a backup folder of all original downloads, but discovered I didn't
on this one.  I had no way to contact the antiviral provider.
Everything was gone.  Their home page at this point conveniently began
telling me I was forbidden access.  That's when I ran a search, and
finally found the same thing in German.  Actually, I'm a little afraid
to contact the German source, out of fear they may check back with the
English-speaking source, and then maybe the German source could cut me
off too.  Why the English source cut me off, I am not sure, except that
I repeatedly failed to install their last update and that's when
everything went wrong and I started getting 'forbidden' when trying to
go to their home web page.

Actually, the question if any is;

what freeware antiviral -or other- programs are most recommended.  I
think the drawbacks with AVG were that it made my system noticeably very
slow and sluggish executing every single action or program, and always
had long calendar delays between updates.  Otherwise, I hear it is a
very good program.

I'm very happy with PC DoorGuard 2.  Here's why.  When I first
downloaded the trialware version of AlphaCentaure, an astronomy program,
I liked my EZCosmos better, but kept AlphaCentaure but never used or
registered it, just so I could have something to compare EZCosmos to.
Always liked EZC better though; it's very intuitive.  Then over about
the next six to ten months, my registered F-Stop-W expired, and I
switched through three or four different freeware antiviral programs.
Never any alarms.  Then I got PC DoorGuard 2 as an initial trialware
version, and on first scan it found what it reported as a trojan called
'radmin201' in the AlphaCentaure program.  The trialware PC DG 2
wouldn't delete anything, so I deleted the entire AlphaCentaure folder
myself.  Within two or three weeks, I had paid for and received the
registered version of PC DG 2.  I was very impressed that none of my
antiviral programs had ever indicated a problem with AlphaCentaure, but
PC DoorGuard 2 found it right away.  I got on askme.com and asked about
'radmin201', and was given a web page that said that it was a
first-class legitimate program for 'remote control of personal
computers'.  A suggestion was also made that it might be part of
AlphaCentaure to help control telescopes or something, but since
AlphaCentaure is in French, I never could learn much about it anyways.
But the 'expert' at askme.com said although 'radmin201' is a legit
program, for 'openly used purposes', it was very wrong for it to be
installed on my computer without my knowledge like that, and definitely
a security hole.

A side note.  When we bought our SB Live Creative Platinum Soundblaster
sound card, it came with a lot of free software, including a pay-for
internet telephone program.  Shortly after purchasing PC DoorGuard 2, I
downloaded Ad-Aware, ran the scanner for spyware, and it found a spyware
program in the internet telepone program, which I promptly deleted.

Raphael



Christy wrote:
>
> Good evening Raphael
>
> Glad you have decided to join us, and thanks to Ron for recommending us!
>
> I have read your email three times and I'm not sure if there is a question in
> here or just some good ideas.  Your email suggestion is a good one for those
> that have good memories to edit before sending, but as you said the error will
> occur prompting you to fix and resend.  I'm not sure how this would affect
> those that tend to send a lot of email on a regular basis, it might become
time
> consuming, however for average email users it would be helpful.
>
> On the antivirus program you are using, I am going to presume since the
program
> is originally in German you didn't try contacting the author for input as to
> the install errors ?   Do you have a web site url handy so others can look
into
> the program ?
>
> With your antivirus program (excuse all the questions as its a program I am
> unfamiliar with)  do you have any problems with it in relation to PC Doorguard
> ?  Do you run them both as an Active detection programs ? or do you use one on
> an As need basis ?  I am somewhat familiar with PC Doorguard but not as to how
> it interacts with other virus related programs
>
> Christy
>
>

Good evening Raphael

Glad you have decided to join us, and thanks to Ron for recommending us!

I have read your email three times and I'm not sure if there is a question in
here or just some good ideas.  Your email suggestion is a good one for those
that have good memories to edit before sending, but as you said the error will
occur prompting you to fix and resend.  I'm not sure how this would affect
those that tend to send a lot of email on a regular basis, it might become time
consuming, however for average email users it would be helpful.

On the antivirus program you are using, I am going to presume since the program
is originally in German you didn't try contacting the author for input as to
the install errors ?   Do you have a web site url handy so others can look into
the program ?

With your antivirus program (excuse all the questions as its a program I am
unfamiliar with)  do you have any problems with it in relation to PC Doorguard
?  Do you run them both as an Active detection programs ? or do you use one on
an As need basis ?  I am somewhat familiar with PC Doorguard but not as to how
it interacts with other virus related programs

Christy

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On 10/26/01 at 4:17 PM cheney@... wrote:

>Hi everyone,
>
>I'm definitely a newbie to all this, and mostly a point & click person.
>My machine is a Pentium 166 with 48 megs ram, and 64 more megs of ram
>due any day now, which will give me 96 since I can't use the two 8's
>I'll be putting aside.
>
>I currently run H+BEDV AntiVir Personal edition Guard 9x, freeware.  One
>time I had trouble getting the English version to download and then
>unpackage and update itself.  I had to download the same update several
>times, without success, then I started getting mssgs that the update
>site was forbidden to me.  I searched around after giving up, and found
>the same thing only in German, so now my freeware H+BEDV is in German.
>I don't speak German, but somehow, I always manage to click on all the
>right keys to install the updates.  I'm also running PC DoorGuard 2
>registered, ZoneAlarm, InterMute registered, Ad-Aware, and RamBooster
>and CacheMan to help run it all.
>
>I made up my own anti-worm protocol, which is to keep all email
>addresses in a uniformly modified state, such as with an A, BB, or 123,
>or Z, or whatever, either at the end or beginning, or next to the @
>sign, of all addresses in the address book.  Before sending, remove the
>extra characters.  If forget, an error mssg soon comes back, and correct
>and send again.  Hopefully at least a few worms will be defeated in
>sending to friends, if it ever gets that far in the first place.
>
>Special thanks to Ron Allen for the invite to join this group!
>
>ttyl,
>
>Raphael Cheney
>

Hi everyone,

I'm definitely a newbie to all this, and mostly a point & click person.
My machine is a Pentium 166 with 48 megs ram, and 64 more megs of ram
due any day now, which will give me 96 since I can't use the two 8's
I'll be putting aside.

I currently run H+BEDV AntiVir Personal edition Guard 9x, freeware.  One
time I had trouble getting the English version to download and then
unpackage and update itself.  I had to download the same update several
times, without success, then I started getting mssgs that the update
site was forbidden to me.  I searched around after giving up, and found
the same thing only in German, so now my freeware H+BEDV is in German.
I don't speak German, but somehow, I always manage to click on all the
right keys to install the updates.  I'm also running PC DoorGuard 2
registered, ZoneAlarm, InterMute registered, Ad-Aware, and RamBooster
and CacheMan to help run it all.

I made up my own anti-worm protocol, which is to keep all email
addresses in a uniformly modified state, such as with an A, BB, or 123,
or Z, or whatever, either at the end or beginning, or next to the @
sign, of all addresses in the address book.  Before sending, remove the
extra characters.  If forget, an error mssg soon comes back, and correct
and send again.  Hopefully at least a few worms will be defeated in
sending to friends, if it ever gets that far in the first place.

Special thanks to Ron Allen for the invite to join this group!

ttyl,

Raphael Cheney

Mike sent this directly to me for some reason ( I have a feeling hes just used
to confirming/posting virus information to me directly!)

It appears that a number of the antivirus manufacturers are getting ready for
the new Windows XP!  Are you?  If you are planning on upgrading to the new XP
be sure to check to see if your software is compatible especially your
antivirus/firewall programs!

Thanks Mike for letting us know of this (next time send it yourself to the list
<g>)

Christy
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XP, EXTRA, READ ALL ABOUT IT!
From 26 October 2001, Sophos Anti-Virus will be compatible
with the new Windows platform, Windows XP
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XP, EXTRA, READ ALL ABOUT IT!
From 26 October 2001, Sophos Anti-Virus will be compatible
with the new Windows platform, Windows XP. Simply select the
non-standard version of SAV from the November monthly update
CD (3.51 NSV). You can find out more about this and other
product news on the support pages of the Sophos website.

http://www.sophos.com/enews.cgi?=/support/news/#xp


This item borrowed from the Sophos (http://www.sophos.com/) news update
newsletter
***********

This weeks Virus Pattern Updates (10/25/2001)

To our New readers (not subscribed to other related lists) this is a regular
feature provided by the Hackfix Staff to help remind our readers to keep their
antivirus products updated.  Your antivirus software is only as good as the
user, you must keep it updated for it to be effective!


AVG. (http://www.grisoft.com/)
Last updated Oct 25/2001
To update your software
	 Visit http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_updt.cfm
  	 Or
	 Open AVG and click Virus Database to check for updates or
	 Open AVG control centre and click Update Manager/update now

~~~~~

AVX (AntiVirus eXpert)
Last Updated Oct 19/2001
To update your software
	 Visit
	 http://www.antivirusexpert.com/update.html
	 (for information)  Or
	 Open AVX and select "update" from the toolbar

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Command antivirus/Fprot
Last Updated Oct 25/2001
To update your software
	 Visit
	 http://www.complex.is/f-prot/Download.html (F-Prot)
	 http://www.commandcom.com/downloads/virus_definition_updates.html
             (Command)
	 Or
	 Open Command antivirus click Update Deffiles
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Computer Associates
Last updated Oct 25/2001
To update your software
	 For InoculateIT (all versions including E-trust)
	 http://support.cai.com/Download/virussig.html
	 For Vet Anti virus
	 Visit http://www.vet.com.au/html/update.html

	 Be sure to have your Customer ID and your registered email
	 address handy for verification.

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Kaspersky Anti-Virus (Previously known as AntiViral toolkit Pro..as of
Feb-01-2001)
Last updated Oct 19/2001
To update your software
	 Visit http://www.kasperskylabs.com/updates.asp
	 Or
	 Open AVP from the top toolbar click Tools-> Update virus
	 definition

*Note*  Avp now has available a cumulative update and a
daily update with the daily being any important items they
feel shouldn't wait till the next cumulative update.  Our
dates here are based on the most recent Major update.

**Note:  Improved update accessiblity.  To ease the update web traffic
Kaspersky labs has additional servers for autoupdating.  The program
defaults to use one server but can be altered to check a variety of servers.
Select Kaspersky updater, select update via the internet to open the drop
down box(es) select "location"  Check the box labeled "Use alternate
locations from the list"  select next and next to update.  This option should
stay selected after the first time.  This helps Kaspersky lighten the load for
updates and helps you obtain updates easier.
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Mcafee (also known as Drsolomns)
Last updated Oct 24/2001
To update your software
	 For Mcafee Visit
	 http://www.nai.com/asp_set/download/dats/superdat.asp
	 (for Virus and Engine updates)
	 http://www.nai.com/asp_set/download/dats/mcafee_4x.asp
	 (for Just virus pattern updates)

	 For Drsolomn (Product no longer available for new users however updates still
available                                     for current users):
	 Go to the following Internet site: http://download.mcafee.com/updates/4x.asp
             IMPORTANT: When you get to this site you may notice that it refers
to
             VirusScan. This update is not only for VirusScan. It also works with
Dr.
             Solomon's.

Altho there is "live Update" options available with both Mcafee
and Drsolomns they don't always work, if you wish to try them
Open your respective software virus scan scheduler, double
click Auto update, click Run Now to do a manual live update,
or click Schedule to set up a timed live update.
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Norman
Last updated Oct 25/2001
To update your software
	 http://www.norman.com/downloads.shtml#definition_files_updates
	 Be sure to have your Valid Username and password handy for
	 verification.
  	 Or
	 From the Norman folder in your Start Menu click "Internet
	 Update"
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Nortons
Last updated Oct 24/2001
To update your software
	 Visit http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/defs.download.html
	 select your language -> product from the list
	 Or
	 Open Nortons software and click the "live update" button
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PcCillin (also known as Trend AntiVirus)
Last updated Oct 22/2001
To update your software
	 Visit http://www.antivirus.com/download/updates.htm
	 Be sure to have your Registration number handy for verification
	 Or
	 Open PcCillin click Update then click Update Now (or Update
	 later to Schedule a timed update)
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If there is an Anti Virus program that is Not listed here that
you would like to see added to the weekly updates list Please
feel free to let us know.

Remember Your anti virus software is only as good as the user...
If you don't keep it updated it won't provide you with maximum
protection.

This weekly Update will be sent every Thursday on or after
6pm (eastern) to keep you up to date on virus pattern updates
available. Virus patterns are checked for most recent update
date as of 6pm Thursdays.

~~~~

~ Hackfix Project Staff
staff@...
Http://www.hackfix.org

3017 St Clair Ave #176
Burlington, Ontario
L7R 3L7

Good morning Ken and Mike

I think Mike missed the important part of Kens email regarding the  Email
programs and Antivirus software.

Outlook and Outlook express are very vulnerable to virus/worm activities as are
some other email programs.  Some antivirus products work with email programs to
help protect the users.  Some email programs don't work with the antivirus
programs because either they are new/rarely used so the antivirus programs
don't bother with them or they are not vulnerable to virus/worm activity so
don't need antivirus interaction.

Calypso is one that is not vulnerable to the email worms that have recently
been going around.which makes it a good email program to use in my opinion
along with a good number of other features of Calypso that others don't have.
Most antivirus programs don't work with calypso so you need to manually scan
attached files before executing them.

Regardless of your email program attached files should always be Virus checked
Before running/installing them as some antivirus programs that do work with
email programs may only check for email specific activity/worms and may not
thoroughly scan All attachments.

When replying to Kens inquiry regarding email programs please try to indicate
the antivirus area where appropriate.

Glad to have you on board Ken!

Christy

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 10/24/01 at 8:31 PM Mike Baynes wrote:

>Hi Ken,
>Glad to see you here.
>I like Calypso, it is free, and has its own support group.
>Which is still active even though the program is no longer supported by
>its manufacturer.
>
>It works well, allows for mutable accounts, is easily configured, does not
>automatically open attachments, and is compatible with the Zone Alarm
>Firewall.
>
>Calypso
>http://www.calypsoemail.com/download.htm
>Calypso E-mail Download
>FREE Download!
>Version  3.30 released June 26, 2001, Size 4.32 MB
>
>Support group;
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CalypsoMail
>
>Calypso related files
>http://download.mcsdallas.com/binaries/calypso/
>
>Mike
>It's a good day if I learned something new
><mikeswhatsnews-subscribe@yahoogroups.com>
>You can read a sample of my newsletter on my web page
>http://www3.telus.net/mikebike/
>My virus pages
>http://virusinfo.hackfix.org
>mytech@...
>
>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
>
>On 10/24/01 at 9:19 PM Ken Dunham wrote:
>
>Greetings All,
>I'm doing a bit of research on alternative antivirus software solutions.
>For example, if you use Outlook Express, what software could you use in
>place of that?  In this example, Eudora Lite is a good option for a Windows
>based machine, available online at eudora.com.  Please reply to this email
>with your favorite alternative software, URL, and comments where
>appropriate.
>
>Thanks!
>Ken Dunham
>dunhamk@...
>http://home.rmci.net/dunhamk/
>

Hi Ken,
Glad to see you here.
I like Calypso, it is free, and has its own support group.
Which is still active even though the program is no longer supported by its
manufacturer.

It works well, allows for mutable accounts, is easily configured, does not
automatically open attachments, and is compatible with the Zone Alarm Firewall.

Calypso
http://www.calypsoemail.com/download.htm
Calypso E-mail Download
FREE Download!
Version  3.30 released June 26, 2001, Size 4.32 MB

Support group;
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CalypsoMail

Calypso related files
http://download.mcsdallas.com/binaries/calypso/

Mike
It's a good day if I learned something new
<mikeswhatsnews-subscribe@yahoogroups.com>
You can read a sample of my newsletter on my web page
http://www3.telus.net/mikebike/
My virus pages
http://virusinfo.hackfix.org
mytech@...

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 10/24/01 at 9:19 PM Ken Dunham wrote:

Greetings All,
I'm doing a bit of research on alternative antivirus software solutions.
For example, if you use Outlook Express, what software could you use in
place of that?  In this example, Eudora Lite is a good option for a Windows
based machine, available online at eudora.com.  Please reply to this email
with your favorite alternative software, URL, and comments where
appropriate.

Thanks!
Ken Dunham
dunhamk@...
http://home.rmci.net/dunhamk/

Greetings All,
I'm doing a bit of research on alternative antivirus software solutions.
For example, if you use Outlook Express, what software could you use in
place of that?  In this example, Eudora Lite is a good option for a Windows
based machine, available online at eudora.com.  Please reply to this email
with your favorite alternative software, URL, and comments where
appropriate.

Thanks!
Ken Dunham
dunhamk@...
http://home.rmci.net/dunhamk/