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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] THRU HOLE PLATEING

I'm right now through plating a board, and quickly took a picture for
you. The board is now in the last step, the copper plating bath.

The station you see on the picture was built by myself. It's the second
generation, and I intend to put a website online about several processes
around making even multilayer boards at home with home built equipement.
I just did not had the time yet to upload and document everything. The
old page I once had online is gone due to me changing providers.

You basically need a laminator and laminate (since you must tent the
through plated holes cause you have to make them bevore you etch the
artwork). You also need a through plating station. I use one with five
baths. It's acutally not all that complicated, and does also not have to
be expensive, but you must be prepared for initial costs of ~$1000 if
you have nothing. I mean you need copper anodes (coper is expensive
these days), a relatively simple electronic cirquit, some motors, some
heaters, a lot of plastic sheets, a big plastic box and a lot of time
and ideas :-). I intend to sell stations once said page is up but also
publish plans for those who want to build one on their own. The selling
part is more thought as a help for those who don't want to spend the
time on building one themselves or those who want to take profit from
the experience made here.

The plating process can be done differently. I use an aproach as it's
also used in the industry. The advanteage of this is that you get very
consistant beautiful absolutely repeteable results. The disadvantage is
that you have to buy the chemistry. It's however relatively easy to buy
and if you buy it at the right place not at all that expensive.

Anyways, I use five baths. The process I use in the order applied follows:

- The first bath micro etches the FR4 material (and of course also a
little the copper but thats a side effect). The purpose of this is to
assure that the palladium emulsion which is applied in the fourth bath
(see below) can stick to the FR4 makeing it conductive to the degree
needed for the effective plating process. You have to rinse the PCB with
water after this step.

- The second bath is a so called predip. It's a sodium cloride solution
with aditives and the same as the third bath, but there is no palladium
emusion in it. The purpose of this bath is to aclimate the PCB to the
following bath and thereby avoiding contamination of the third, bath
which is a bit critical and contains the most expensive chemistry (the
palladium emusion). There is therfore NO rinsing after this step.

- The third bath is the one makeing the holes conductive for the
subsequent plating process. It's the same as above, but contains the
palladium emulsion. The emusion is somewhat expensive, but to give you
an idea, half a litter costs ~80$, and said half litter will last you
for the next ten years with a station of the size of the one I build, so
costs are relative. You must rinse the PCB after this step.

- The fourth bath is hardening the palladium. This is having the effect
that it sticks better to the FR4, but splitters of from the copper. Also
rinse after this step.

- The fifth bath is the effective copper plating. The attached picture
(don't know if this works with this group, if I see that the picture is
not attached, I will upload it to the files secion and post in a second
mail where it is) showes the board in this bath. You apply ~2.5 amps per
square decimeter of copper material to this bath and run the PCB in
there acording to the thikness of copper you want to end up with. After
this the plating is done. What's left is to trughly rinse the PCB, and
then of course continue with laminating dryfilm resist, expose and etch
the outher layers (or only layers in case of a double sided board).

On the picture you see that you need several tanks and a mechanical
construction to swing the PCB back and forth.


HTH

Markus
pic of throughplating station



peripherin schrieb:
>
> Now I am going to ask a question that I have tryed at before and
> failed.
> Does anybody know how to thru hole plate useing home equipment ? Also
> any good websites would be welcome ?
>



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... From: "peripherin" <peripherin@...> To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 4:11 PM Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] THRU...
Leon
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I'm right now through plating a board, and quickly took a picture for you. The board is now in the last step, the copper plating bath. The station you see on...
Markus Zingg
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Wow... Are you willing to tell us the exact chemicals and times for those baths? How do you keep the holes from being eched off along with the unwanted copper...
James Newton
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Jan 17, 2008
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James, I only have an incomplete know how of what's inside the baths cause I bought the chemistry, but for those willing to also buy such chemistry, this is a...
Markus Zingg
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Jan 17, 2008
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First, thanks so much for sharing this information. I've taken the liberty of quoting you on my web site and when you have a web page, I will be very happy to...
James Newton
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Jan 18, 2008
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James Dryfilm foto sensitive resist is a kind of a foil, well, it's a chemical, foto sensitive layer that is put on a plastic film, and that layer then also is...
Markus Zingg
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... http://www.asahi-kasei.co.jp/akemd/dfr/en/SUNFORT_DFR.htm...
Adam Seychell
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Jan 19, 2008
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Ok, the picture did not made it through. I created an album and uploaded it to the photo section, but the group moderator first must aprove the picture.... So...
Markus Zingg
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Jan 16, 2008
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Okay did some experiments with The Toner senstive foil. My general impression is that the toner needs to be really clean and that you need a lot of heat and...
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Jan 16, 2008
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I am sure thier are a lot of people who would be very interested in exactly how you are getting success with this process.Please tell the group when the web...
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Jan 17, 2008
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Rest asured that I will post the link here once it's ready. I just saw that the pic I uploaded yesterday meanwhile was checked by the group administrator and...
Markus Zingg
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http://techref.massmind.org/techref/pcbholes.htm has a good over view of options for holes and layers in homemade PCBs. -- James. Posted by: "peripherin"...
James Newton
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Interesting, wen Iopen the massmind website, i get a "phishing" alert from Micorsoft Onecare. Myc ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
Myc Holmes
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So why not simply disable it? It's not like anyone with more intelligence than a carp will fall victim to phishing. ST...
Stefan Trethan
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I may have found the cause of that... It was nothing malicious, I assure you: Just an attempt to find out how long it was taking users to download images on a...
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... What I've been doing lately is thusly: Strip a couple inches of wire wrap wire. It's 13 mil, fits into a 13.5 mil hole. Put something under the PCB to...
DJ Delorie
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Jan 17, 2008
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That is the method I have used. I put a few layers of scotch tape on the corners to develop the gap. Works quite nicely when I have a via that has to go under...
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... I've been doing it this way for years, and have made evaluation boards for ~1GHz components and microstrips that work fine. Mark K5LXP Albuquerque, NM...
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... From: "Markus Zingg" <homebrew-pcb@...> To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs]...
Leon
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Hi Leon Thanks for clarifying this. It's a difficult thing for me to translate those chemical terms propperly. Thanks again Markus...
Markus Zingg
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Hi Markus, Can you please tell me what is tanks capacity of your plating system baths? Second question is how much did you pay for chemicals to fill system for...
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Hi Suske No worries about your english :-) I'm not sure if mine is so much better. To answer your questions. The small tanks hold 2.2 liters. The amount of...
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Hi Markus This is a lot of useful information for me and thank you for that. I'll be free to ask jou again if somethig is not clear to me. Best regards, Suske...
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Hi Markus, I have another question. In Bungard catalog is price for 500ml of Activator(Catalist). Is it suppose that it need to be mixed with 2l of something...
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Suske, With the chemistry from Bungard it's like this: Bath #1, #4,#5 are "on their own". That said you must mix each of them according to the information you...
Markus Zingg
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Feb 6, 2008
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Hi Markus, Thanks a lot for your writing. Another detail ar fluid heating. Bungard use PTFE plated large area heaters. What did you use for fluids heating...
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Hi Suske, I obviousely don't care too much from where you get the chemistry as long as it hopefully works out well for you :-). In other words, I apreciate the...
Markus Zingg
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Hello, For Anodes copper, very necesary use "PHOSPHORIC COPPER" For me, after 20 year using electrolitic copper bath, is no heating, to min 15° centigrade. ...
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Patrick, Your input is highly apreciated. However, I made the experience that wiht the very small tanks I use (remember, 4 liters for the copper solution, 2...
Markus Zingg
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Markus, I appreciate your reflexion for copper electroiltic bath. For me, English is not simple... Yes, this is a problem to obtain a good result in small...
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