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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Shelf life of HCl/H2O2

This is the one i bought:
<http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230309376059>
I wish it had a scale just for specific gravity, down to 1.0. I don't
really care about the antifreeze scales.

1.2 to 1.4 is pretty much the range you need, and 1.0 to 1.2 is
interesting while you grow the bath. Luckily car battery acid operates
in the same range which gives us easy access to cheap hydrometers.

You MUST read these two documents from the links sections, these are
the ones where the link still work:

<http://members.optusnet.com.au/~eseychell/PCB/etching_CuCl/index.html#analysis_\
SG
>
By our very own Adam Seychell, probably the best document about
homebrew CuCl you can find.

<http://www.xertech.net/Tech/CuCl_ech.html> Also quite interesting.

Which should also answer your question about stating quantities.

ST



On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Markus Zingg
<homebrew-pcb@...> wrote:
> Stefan,
>
> Thanks for your information. Still some more questions :-)
>
> - Can you give a ratio to at least start? I mean how much HCL and H2O2
> should I use for the first "run"?
> - Do you have a link to the refractometer? Cause at that cost, I
> probably also would apreciate to avoid the mess involved with a hygrometer.
> - what refraction coefficient or fluid density ranges would be good for
> etching?
>
> Since I'm only makeing prototypes, I don't mind if cucl is not that
> fast. The Fe3Cl I used so far is also not that fast after a couple of
> boards. I'm more after a solution which etches evenly and where I don't
> have waste to dispose thereafter (or as few as possible).
>
> Markus
>



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I etched my first board a few weeks back with HCl/H2O2 and was very happy with the results. I saved the etchant, since I'd only etched one small board with it,...
Matthew Mucker
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... From: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@...> To: <homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:15 PM Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Shelf life...
leon Heller
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Jan 4, 2009
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... Leon I found a bunch of Curric Chloride (HCL+H2O2) links on Answers.com that say it does keep. I even went back in my archived mail and found a message...
Wayne Topa
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Jan 5, 2009
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Hi It is my understanding that H2O2 will decompose readely into H2O and O2 hence you will have to add fresh H2O2 to existing solution until the etchent becomes...
Gaurav Verma
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Jan 5, 2009
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Now there's your problem. You don't have CuCl, you have HCl and H2O2. The one will keep, the other won't. You can make CuCl from HCL and H2O2 simply by etching...
Stefan Trethan
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... Ah Ha, the rejuvination process, adding H2O2 before each etching session, until it becomes CuCl. Is that the stage where the solution changes color? ...
Wayne Topa
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The solution does get darker as more copper is dissolved, but slightly green doesn't mean there is anywhere near enough copper to etch a board. If you want to...
Stefan Trethan
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Jan 5, 2009
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... This is what I ended up doing - I wasn't using the HCl/H2O2 solution often enough and had to keep evaporating off water to fit in more H2O2, so one day I...
DJ Delorie
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... Thanks Stefan and DJ. That is what I remember (now), that I read a few years ago. I believe that it was you fellows that got me interested in the first ...
Wayne Topa
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... I keep it in a rubbermaid container, yes, with the lid on it when not in use. There's a hole in it where the air tube goes through, so it's not 100%...
DJ Delorie
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... Thanks DJ. As I mentioned to Stefan, it was your post in 2006 that I followed when I was putting together my PCB junk box. I see I have all but the air...
Wayne Topa
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At first i was going to say you must be mistaken, but then i remembered a few years ago i actually kept this etchant in the described bottle. You have a better...
Stefan Trethan
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... I should point out that I, also, keep my etchant tank in a big catch basin. I also keep the sink water running whenever I'm messing with the chemicals, in...
DJ Delorie
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... Actually I don't. In researching Leon's reply, which I mis-read, I went back to try to refresh my memory before I mixes the chemicals. I read a lot of ...
Wayne Topa
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I would like to switch to cucl for a while cause having a solution that lasts virtually for ever seems to be very beneficial. Besides, I'm just before building...
Markus Zingg
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Hello Markus, ... Device for measuring humidity is named HyGrometer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygrometer ... There are no dumb questions, only dumb answers...
Zoran A. Scepanovic
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I can't actually give you the requested exact ratios since i built my etchant bit by bit and do not know them. However, i think you will have to do the same,...
Stefan Trethan
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Stefan, Thanks for your information. Still some more questions :-) - Can you give a ratio to at least start? I mean how much HCL and H2O2 should I use for the...
Markus Zingg
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This is the one i bought: <http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230309376059> I wish it had a scale just for specific gravity, down to 1.0. I...
Stefan Trethan
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... As to hydrometers; it might cut down on mess to remove the "bobber" from the tube and just drop it into the container and leave it there all the time. It...
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... Well, that's what I did. ... Assuming you're using 37% HCl and 3% H2O2, it's two parts H2O2 and add one part HCl (always add acid to water, not the other...
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... From: "Wayne Topa" <linuxone@...> To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Shelf...
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