Kurt I suggest that you invite Rafe Champion to do this. See http://www.the-rathouse.com/aboutRafe.html. He is a frequent contributor to philosophy and history...
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Kurt Richardson
isce_complex_m
May 1, 2007 5:58 pm
Hi All I might regret opening this particular pandora's box, and I'm not yet convinced it is something that we should be concerned with, or whether complexity...
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mmbtupr@...
May 2, 2007 12:08 am
to Complex-M from Lewis L Smith I am semiretired, but have four memories of Hayek and the Austrians. [1] They had some important...
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Ken Baskin
baskinman47
May 2, 2007 12:09 am
Kurt, My guess is that there is no reasonable conversation with such people. After all, they, at the very least, pretend to be Christians mouthing the most...
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Jon Bennett
jonsork
May 2, 2007 12:10 am
Hi Kurt, I haven't read the article yet, but I wanted to make a few off the cuff remarks. First of all from a complexity view, what do we mean by absolutism....
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David Snowden
dave871914
May 2, 2007 3:44 pm
One of the things that worries me is the increasing respectability of this crap. Given that co-evolution and irreversibility go together, and we can speculate...
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Carol Webb
carolwebb75
May 2, 2007 3:47 pm
To open up a discussion, I'd be interested to throw the following questions their way: - "Please show me from the Bible scriptures which support your view" -...
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Jon Bennett
jonsork
May 2, 2007 11:39 pm
Before we begin raging, blaming and pontificating let me ask if we can cool the passions and discuss this rationally. For starters, how do any of us determine...
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Kurt Richardson
isce_complex_m
May 3, 2007 3:02 am
Hi Jon Some comments interspersed below… From: ISCE_complex-M@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ISCE_complex-M@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Bennett Sent:...
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David Snowden
dave871914
May 3, 2007 5:01 pm
Jon, I think this post (by which to be honest I was appalled) illustrates the poverty of moral relativism and post modernism. Now if you had argued that some...
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Andrew Wilson
vlookup999
May 3, 2007 5:05 pm
Hi All, Thank you Kurt, it's nice to see a juicy topic for discussion!. I must say I find the site both amusing and interesting, but that is neither here nor...
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Carol Webb
carolwebb75
May 3, 2007 5:08 pm
... Yes, you are right Kurt - on reflection I feel a bit naive. On further reflection I think Ken Baskin's comments were pretty incisive and probably hit the...
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Ken Baskin
baskinman47
May 3, 2007 5:12 pm
Jon, Although I am puzzled by much that you say -- Kurt touches on many of those points in his response -- you do ask one excellent question: What are my...
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christianhauck_net
christianhau...
May 3, 2007 5:12 pm
Some approaches: 1. Let's assume subjective rationality, just so different that the different parties don't get it and assign stupidity or evil to the other...
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Jon Bennett
jonsork
May 3, 2007 9:24 pm
Dave I will give you credit. You are one, in fact the only one, I can readily think of on the list who admits to the limits of the postmodernist, relativistic...
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Kurt Richardson
isce_complex_m
May 3, 2007 10:52 pm
Hi Jon et al Just a quickie response to one particular comment you made Jon From: ISCE_complex-M@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ISCE_complex-M@yahoogroups.com] On...
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David Snowden
dave871914
May 3, 2007 11:05 pm
I am not sure where to start or finish to be honest Jon, however comments are interleaved in red. I think you are fundamentally in error. Firstly in...
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Carol Webb
carolwebb75
May 4, 2007 3:46 pm
... [...] ... Hi Jon I appreciate the value of postmodern relativism as an epistemological tool and find useful a constructivist ontology in order to give room...
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John M
jami_kes
May 4, 2007 6:21 pm
Kurt and David and all others... I hesitated to let my mouse run in this thread: i had my exchanges in such topics on other lists. One opponent asked - when I...
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David Snowden
dave871914
May 4, 2007 7:35 pm
This thread is not about the existence of God (that can open up if people want to, and there are some interesting complexity takes). It is also not an...
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Kurt Richardson
isce_complex_m
May 4, 2007 8:15 pm
Hi All So as to not only consider our 'moral' obligation to undermining the attitudes of the individuals listed on the 'Taliban" website, I would also like to...
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Jon Bennett
jonsork
May 5, 2007 1:06 pm
Thank you Kurt for your response. Dave and Ken alluded to another response you made. If I have missed one please forward it to me. This present post and the...
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Ken Baskin
baskinman47
May 5, 2007 1:11 pm
Jon, It is also not very helpful to call people names -- as you called us of the list "relativists" -- without first being sure. Even I have made an...
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Jon Bennett
jonsork
May 7, 2007 2:34 pm
Hey Ken I did appreciate your measured and calm approach in your post about story telling. I do think this is the best way to approach our discussion. Let me ...
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David Snowden
dave871914
May 7, 2007 2:34 pm
Correction, I should have started this "Jon" not Ken Apologies for this Ken, but I was so appalled by Jon's views I did not proof read, and the next email in...
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Jon Bennett
jonsork
May 7, 2007 2:35 pm
In my view Dave this thread is about determining truth. How do we know what is real, or ethical. What is your view of reality and why is it more valid than the...
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David Snowden
dave871914
May 7, 2007 2:35 pm
Ken, you state that you are opposed to "anything reactive, visceral, dogmatic or any attacks on the person". This is a perfect description of many of the...
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mmbtupr@...
May 7, 2007 2:36 pm
to Complex M from Lewis L Smith I have been ruminating on the outlandish, evil and/or stupid statements made by people on the right. In...
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David Snowden
dave871914
May 7, 2007 2:39 pm
Its an interesting post Kurt, but I am not dure the the "incommensurable" and "comparability" words are the most useful. I would throw another couple of ideas...
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christianhauck_net
christianhau...
May 7, 2007 2:43 pm
I reply to my own post but I mean all, in particular Jon The original website http://adultthought.ucsd.edu/Culture_War/The_American_Taliban.html is not a page...
