Ken, I thought a complexologist would be used to people using words with a plethora of interpretations. I'm just half joking, but only half. Seriously, this...
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Jon Bennett
jonsork
Dec 29, 2008 4:34 am
Ken, all, The following chart may also help to clarify and define, these various traditions. http://www.xenos.org/classes/papers/5wldview.htm Jon...
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mmbtupr@...
Dec 29, 2008 10:40 am
from Lewis L. Smith As an energy economist, I have been forced to learn something of the subtleties of theology since a lot of people who are concerned with...
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toml1777@...
toml1777
Dec 29, 2008 10:55 am
I applaud the lively discussions that are taking place here. But...to be honest, I have never seen language used more carelessly, imprecisely, with circular...
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mmbtupr@...
Dec 29, 2008 10:58 am
from Lewis L. Smith Thanks but I am overloaded with "energy struff" ! Cordially. ### ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL...
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mmbtupr@...
Dec 29, 2008 11:05 am
from Lewis L. Smith In biology, there is a concept of convergence. That is, two separate species in distant locations come to resemble each other...
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mmbtupr@...
Dec 29, 2008 11:10 am
... Good chart for an "entry point" to the study of our concept of the universe from the point of view of religion, semi-religion, non-religion and ...
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Ken Baskin
baskinman47
Dec 29, 2008 3:49 pm
here she is, Jerry, ken ________________________________ From: Jerry Zhu <jerryyz@...> To: ISCE_complex-M@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008...
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Jon Bennett
jonsork
Dec 29, 2008 3:54 pm
Tom, Show me an argument that is not circular. Not only does he who writes history, make history, but he who writes, speaks, or thinks, makes meaning. When a...
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Ken Baskin
baskinman47
Dec 29, 2008 3:55 pm
Thanks, John. Your reply perfectly highlights the differences in our positions. For you, God is a relatively known quality, described in a book. For me, God is...
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Ken Baskin
baskinman47
Dec 29, 2008 3:58 pm
Jon, The chart you cite seems overly simplified and misleading. As I said before, there is no God in classical Daoism, Confucianism or Buddhism. Yet the chart...
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Jerry Chandler
jerry_lr_cha...
Dec 29, 2008 3:58 pm
Jon: Briefly, the foundational difference between C S Peirce and Hegel are deep. Peirce, as a scientist, recognized that critical role of categorization in...
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Kurt A Richardson
isce_complex_m
Dec 29, 2008 5:00 pm
Don't you mean "the universe is just too complex" Lewis ;-) From: ISCE_complex-M@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ISCE_complex-M@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of...
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Jon Bennett
jonsork
Dec 29, 2008 5:01 pm
Ken, Yes, I meant the chart to be a kind of reference point for discussion, I knew it wasn't perfect or complete-is any system of categorization? It's always...
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mmbtupr@...
Dec 29, 2008 5:02 pm
from Lewis L. Smith Well, both complicated [ like a computer chip ] and complex [ like a cardiovascular system ] . Cordially. ### ************** One...
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Jon Bennett
jonsork
Dec 29, 2008 6:03 pm
Ken, So your Gestalt allows for flat out wrong! Is that anything like an absolute wrong? Isn't your view based on change, evolution and doesn't it allow for ...
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John Mikes
jami_kes
Dec 29, 2008 11:02 pm
Jerry, what you wrote makes a lot of sense, it would take more reflection than available to me this year. So here is a prima-vista reply: Without calling it...
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John Mikes
jami_kes
Dec 29, 2008 11:03 pm
Tom - 1777, nice post. I agree in so many parts of it that you must be wrong. I advocated on several lists (diverse topics) a "GLOSSARY"; of the particular ...
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dsill@...
Dec 29, 2008 11:35 pm
John--With my manager hat on, my response entirely agrees with you. I am always suspicious of management problems that only have two solutions-- generally it...
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Jon Bennett
jonsork
Dec 30, 2008 12:20 am
John, Your totality view sounds very similar to what Hegel was trying to do. Also you said: Secondly: in half-baked formulations I found frequently mischosen...
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Jon Bennett
jonsork
Dec 30, 2008 2:40 am
A friend sent this to me. I think you will find it intereting and relevant to complexity http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpEnFwiqdx8...
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shumate
shumatedeborah
Dec 30, 2008 4:27 am
This has been so very interesting. Yes. If you minds can discuss the meaning of the word "god" in a reasonable manner then there is hope for us. Linked to...
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Ken Baskin
baskinman47
Dec 30, 2008 2:42 pm
This issue has stuck its ugly head into the conversation several times over the last decade on this list. Even such a widely used term as "bifurcation" has two...
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John M
jami_kes
Dec 30, 2008 10:12 pm
Ken, and how about if I have no formalized/crysatallized 'meaning' of those would-be ideas I am breaking my head about? I know: "then shut up, until you know...
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Ken Baskin
baskinman47
Dec 31, 2008 1:26 am
John, Sorry to seem so inflexible. Of course, when one is struggling with an emerging idea, much of the purpose of a list like this is to get help in putting...
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Jon Bennett
jonsork
Dec 31, 2008 9:01 pm
Ken, Though I sometimes criticize your approach, I still appreciate your pushing in that direction. These are indeed two opposing forces. In fact, I am in sore...
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Jon Bennett
jonsork
Dec 31, 2008 9:40 pm
Ken, John, Tom, and you, Learning what dialogue is, is challenging. I like Bohm's work on dialogue John, and it is something we should consider. I think it...
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Jon Bennett
jonsork
Dec 31, 2008 10:53 pm
OK Ken, and all, This is a crude effort. But it is an attempt to define postmodernism. Perhaps you can help me summarize and define it first. We can debate or ...
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mmbtupr@...
Dec 31, 2008 11:31 pm
from Lewis L. Smith It seems to me that the assertions of postmodernism are unverifiable, precisely because of the interactive and subjective elements...
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Jon Bennett
jonsork
Jan 1, 2009 12:19 am
Lewis, You said: "There is of course something ironic about a bunch of atheists and agnostics who cannot find 95% of the matter which is supposed to be in...
