In message ISCE_complex-M@yahoogroups.com writes ... Hi Jon I am interested to find out about this group but it blocks enquiries, by posting the text below...
Ken, Lewis, Buck, Jerry, Jon, Deborah, et. al., Dualism, dichotomy, bifurcation, 'chaotic system' - with "a logistic function with the control variable at 0.50...
from Lewis L. Smith To the extent that science postulates that some permanent, extensive truths like Newton's Mechanics, can exist within a defined...
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Jan 2, 2009 7:30 pm
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David - Thank you for the 'agreeing' - I don't want to convert you in the other part either: IOW thanx for the 'DIchotomy' (BIfurcation) of your two hats. I...
John--I did say that bifurcation is A property of nature, not THE property of nature. I did not say that stable was an original state and that chaotic was a ...
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Jan 2, 2009 10:52 pm
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I probably missed a response, being busy with mundane chores that I must do to ensure the survival of my family (tossing of debt here and there, very boring...
. David, we are looing at things with different eyes (vocabularies), I misread you because I had numerous discussions with 'bifurcants' and viewers of static...
Kurt, A simple question? How do you know the world is complex? Kepler, Newton, Copernicus, thought the world simple. It was this very belief that the world...
Jon, Ahhh.. a simple question. So many that I've wanted to respond to - but too complex for the time I have available ;-) I personally like the idea of...
Eileen, you successfully wrote into complex-M. It is an interesting place that has been around for many, many years. Quite frankly, I don't even know if a...
Ken, Good to see you've come out of hiding, or lurking. I very much enjoyed your paper and will re-read it after the holidays. I think this topic has...
Deborah, One more brief comment, or two. I don't think you can explore or think or communicate without absolutes. Also, the reason to look at the 16th and 17th...
Ken, John, and all, Just a simple once over for now, as I'm traveling and pretty well exhausted a this hour. I pretty much agree with Ken''s comments and look...
Hi Debora, I haven't been by a computer for several days. And I just have a moment now. I'll try to give a more complete answer tomorrow. Yes, it's very hard...
Thanks for your thoughts Ken. To the idea that Taoism and Complexity are systems of thought that transcend cultural boundaries, and therefore represent...
David, I apologize for misreading you. I had long standing discussions about bifurcation and "saw read". Stable, however, looks ambiguous by:Â 'to turn...
Jon, I was accused once already to be a 'Hegelian'. I never read Hegel and do not believe he arrived at a fundamentally agnostic position towards our...
Hi John, I didn't say your approach was identical, but similar to Hegel in seeking a total view. You really should read Hegel. You would find out where many of...
Hi All You List Members! Please permit me to restate Jon's points from my own, perhaps very different, perspective. For me, complexity thinking suggests that...
from Lewis L. Smith The question of whether or not the universe is complex basically reduces to a matter of definitions and to the availability of...
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Jan 8, 2009 3:20 pm
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Jon, thanks for the advice. I don't start a backwards study to re-adjust my thoughts, I don't claim originality - maybe someone in the ages of a poorer...
Lewis and Jon, I think the difficulty is in the question. It is impossible for our poor pea-brains to "know" whether the universe is complex or not. As Jon has...
from Lewis L. Smith An "emergent structure" could be considered a type of "emergent property". Unfortunately there does not seem to be any general...
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Jan 10, 2009 12:12 pm
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Lewis, Based on what you said, emergent structure is a property observable to our sense organs and that is not reducible to the system's constinuents. You made...
Jerry, To understand emergent structures, it helps to think in terms of specifics. How, for instance, did the eye evolve? Of course, we can't "know" for sure....
Ken, Â You mentioned two things. Â Manifestation of second law in complex systems of increasing complexity, the tendencies. Â Opennesss in complex systems....
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