There is only one week left to submit a proposal for a presentation at
RNIB's Techshare conference, which takes place in Birmingham UK on 18-19
November 2004. The Call for Papers closes on 2 August, and we are hoping
that we will receive papers about aspects of ICT accessibility in
procurement. I would like to encourage to you to submit a paper; speakers
receive a significant discount on their conference attendance fee.

The call for papers document is attached in Word format; more information
can be found at
www.rnib.org.uk/techshare

---
Ruth Loebl
Senior UK ICT Development Officer

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Attached is a document announcing an international workshop on accessibility
requirements for public procurement in the ICT domain, taking place on 19-21
October 2004 in Brussels. There seems to be a great deal of interest in the
event so I would advise early registration!
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The deadline for responses to the Office of Government Commerce consultation
on the EU Procurement Directives is 9 August, just 2 weeks away. More
information was in my previous message, which can be found at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IT-include/message/50

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Following the DRC report we have begun to put some ideas together to develop
a funding portal to signpost users in need of AT as to the best route to
fund their equipment

I would be interested in feedback from the group on the idea -we will then
explore the best way of making it happen if it was of value

David Banes
Director of Operations
AbilityNet

For those list members in the UK, it would be very valuable for the
promotion of accessibility in IT procurement if you were to consider a
response to the current consultation documents from the Office of Government
Commerce (OGC).

As the complexity of this type of consultation can be off-putting, it might
be helpful to refer to a number of documents that are referenced on the
Yahoo Groups website associated with this list. If you don't already have a
Yahoo ID that allows you to access the website, I would be happy to email
you the information on request (if you saved previous list messages, it's
all there!)

The Yahoo URL for the relevant files is
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IT-include/files/
There you will find RNIB's European Campaigns Briefing 81a, which gives a
brief and readable summary of the essential information about the parts of
the Directive that are relevant (albeit from RNIB's point of view).

The two consultation documents, one for public sector and one for utilities
are also on the Yahoo website. At the end of each consultation document,
there is a link to the page of the Official Journal of the EU where the two
Directives can be found, and the full text downloaded (as PDF).

The particular "Articles" in the Public Sector Directive that are relevant
to accessibility are Recital 29, Article 23 and Annex VI, about the use of
technical specifications so as to take into account accessibility criteria
for people with disabilities or design for all users, and Article 26, where
"social considerations" should include accessibility and inclusive design,
although the wording leaves something to be desired.

In the Public Sector consultation document, paragraph 3.3 mentions that
comments on "social and environmental issues" would be welcome.

Those of you who have an interest in "sheltered workshops" may also wish to
comment on those provisions, although this is an issue that is not related
to this list.

As I understand it, the Utilities Directive covers specific instances of
services that are not "public sector" but will be subject to the same or
similar provisions. I will be seeking clarification to make sure that any
response that we (at RNIB) make has the maximum impact, but I assume that we
will be trying to ensure that IT accessibility is strongly and effectively
included in UK Regulations for procurement in both public sector and
utilities.

I would be extremely grateful for any feedback from members on this list
concerning the work they may be doing around this consultation.

Best wishes
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RNIB Technology in Learning and Employment
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I haven't had the chance to review these documents yet, but thought I'd
better forward them sooner rather than later. It is highly likely that RNIB
will submit a formal response in this consultation.
Best wishes
Ruth

-----Original Message-----
From: Kinchen, Eleanor [mailto:eleanor.kinchen@...]
Sent: 13 May 2004 17:12
To: Loebl, Ruth
Cc: Petre, Leen; Scorer, Dan
Subject: Consultation on new EU procurement Directives


As promised, please find attached the consultation documents on the
implementation of the two new EU procurement Directives.

A cover letter has been attached as background.  We would welcome any
comments by 9 August 2004.

  <<Cover Letter for Consultation Documents.doc>>  <<Consultation Document
for Public Sector Directive.doc>>  <<Consultation Document for Utilities
Directive.doc>>

Please contact me if you have any queries,


Eleanor

-------------------------
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Procurement Policy Unit
Office of Government Commerce
26-30 Great Peter Street
London SW1P 2BY
020 7271 1441


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Charles
Thank you for your introduction, and for your previous message pointing us
at the work of Euroaccessiblity. I've had a brief look, and there are
clearly areas where the work you are doing around WCAG compliance clearly
matches what I'd like to see for ISO compliance.

Because you are clearly involved closely in this Euroaccessibility work, I
would appreciate it if you could bear in mind the parallels of web
accessibility and software accessibility and let us know through this list,
or to me directly, if you think there is something concrete that would move
our work forward. For example, I like very much the idea of "Testable
Statements" within each accessibility checkpoint, including Clarification
points for the checkpoing, explanatory text and techniques for each testable
statment. This seems a very practical way through the minefield of
"standards" versus "guidelines"!

I look forward to hearing about further progress.
Best wishes
Ruth

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto:charles@...]
Sent: 14 May 2004 17:29
To: IT-include@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [IT-include] Introduction - chaals


Hi folks,

I am Charles McCathieNevile from Fundacion Sidar (sorry, the "o" should
have an accent but I find windows has a dreadfully difficult system for
doing them, so won't be using them until I get my real machine back).
Sidar is a spanish language non-profit group working on accessibility of
the internet, primarily in supporting a community of developers who can
talk to each other and share information. We also do a little tool
development, participate in standards work, and we give courses, test
websites, and so on for the money this costs.

I worked for WAI for about 4 years, and still work part-time for W3C, but
working now on the semantic web activity. I am a chair of the Task Force 2
looking at testing web accessibility evaluation tools in the
EuroAccessibility Consortium, I run a french-language accessibility list
(Handitech), and I am interested in lots of different things.

I joined this list because I was invited. I suspect that mostly I will
lurk and try to point out where there are other people working on topics
that come up, or learn. (I don't know a lot about application
accessibility in any formal sense, although I have hung around with people
long enough to run across a massive range of problems, and I worked a bit
on this for the initial Techniques for Authoring Tool Accessibility
Guidelines a few years ago).

Generally I am interested in the Web, particularly from the perspective of
"ordinary" people, who are not technologists (I am an historian by
training) producing content, and making that something that everyone can
do (people with disabilities, doing it in arabic or mongolian or
yolngu-matha, platform-independent and device-independent, etc) seems to
me crucial for the web to succeed.

cheers

Chaals

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Dear Alastair

BSI has not yet "adopted" ISO 16071 and given it a UK number. The standard
is available direct from ISO, see
http://www.iso.org/iso/en/CatalogueDetailPage.CatalogueDetail?CSNUMBER=30858
&ICS1=13&ICS2=180&ICS3=
or go to www.iso.org and search for the standard number.

Best wishes
Ruth

-----Original Message-----
From: Alastair Robertson [mailto:vaudioville@...]
Sent: 17 May 2004 17:53
To: IT-include@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [IT-include] Brief update


Ruth

I'm a consumer rep with BSI and ANEC. I forwarded your email to BSI and
aksed if I could have a copy of ISO 16071. They can't find any refernce to
it. Can you give me any more information?

regards

Alastair

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Hi folks,

I am Charles McCathieNevile from Fundacion Sidar (sorry, the "o" should
have an accent but I find windows has a dreadfully difficult system for
doing them, so won't be using them until I get my real machine back).
Sidar is a spanish language non-profit group working on accessibility of
the internet, primarily in supporting a community of developers who can
talk to each other and share information. We also do a little tool
development, participate in standards work, and we give courses, test
websites, and so on for the money this costs.

I worked for WAI for about 4 years, and still work part-time for W3C, but
working now on the semantic web activity. I am a chair of the Task Force 2
looking at testing web accessibility evaluation tools in the
EuroAccessibility Consortium, I run a french-language accessibility list
(Handitech), and I am interested in lots of different things.

I joined this list because I was invited. I suspect that mostly I will
lurk and try to point out where there are other people working on topics
that come up, or learn. (I don't know a lot about application
accessibility in any formal sense, although I have hung around with people
long enough to run across a massive range of problems, and I worked a bit
on this for the initial Techniques for Authoring Tool Accessibility
Guidelines a few years ago).

Generally I am interested in the Web, particularly from the perspective of
"ordinary" people, who are not technologists (I am an historian by
training) producing content, and making that something that everyone can
do (people with disabilities, doing it in arabic or mongolian or
yolngu-matha, platform-independent and device-independent, etc) seems to
me crucial for the web to succeed.

cheers

Chaals

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--- In IT-include@yahoogroups.com, jenny van Tinteren <jvantinteren@y.
..> wrote:
> Dear Group,
> I have been watching developments in this discussion group with
great interest, but was too shy to say anything, and now following
Ruth's comment in her last posting, I'm feeling a bit guilty for
having kept quiet!

So you should :-) Seriously, lists work if people put information
there. On the other hand, having too many lists is the most efficient
way I know of stopping the effective flow of information :-(
(Seriously - from my work on network security it seems that this is
due to pretty fundamental stuff).

> ..., and the US Govt is therefore keen that other countries should
adopt legislation similar to S 508 (this requires government
purchasing officials to buy accesible systems and software).

> ...There is frustration here in the US too, about the ease of use of
the ISO standards, and a perception that standards frameworks are all
very well but they depend on feedback, proper testing, and a realistic
understanding of how the commercial world operates, in order to make
their use effective. I suggest it may be helpful to establish more
contacts with organisations like ...

One of my reasons for being on this list is to try and make sure that
people here are aware of related work taking place in other fora.
Sidar is a spanish-language group, and we too are interested in
purchasing requirements, although we hope that in "our" marketplace
(South America, and Europe) the standards adopted continue to be
forward-looking, and with expanding scope rather than the relatively
minimalist and "once-until-we-revise-it-sometime" nature of 508.

As Mark said in an eraly post to the list, it is important to provide
examples and useage guidance. One of the relevant organisations might
be EuroAccessibility - http://www.euroaccessibility.org - which has
among other tasks decided to work on evaluating tools that are meant
to test conformance to standards. It's interesting and quite tricky
work. The WAI's Authoring Tool Accessibility Guidelines group works on
how to use things like ISO 10671 and other guidelines - and groups
like ATRC at the University of Toronto, TRACE, Dave Pawson from RNIB,
and similar groups participate in the Technical work of WAI, as well
as many individuals.

Cheers

Chaals

Hi folks,

I have had two kinds of experience. One is where people are told they
need to get in compliance, and then the eveidence they are really
looking for is someone who will take responsibility for saying that
they are in compliance with (pick standard here...)

The more interesting one is people who are interested in meeting the
goals of users. In general they like carefully documented research
that shows how many more people get how much accessibility. It turns
out there is relatively little deep analysis of this kind available,
and it is very difficult to do well - a lot of what I have found isn't
a good enough standard to present to a client on its own. One
consequence is that they learn to think about it for themselves, and
trust general explanations more than they may otherwise do.

cheers

Chaals

--- In IT-include@yahoogroups.com, ruth.loebl@r... wrote:

> 3. Now the question: a couple of people have mentioned accessibility
> standards as being important and of interest in their work. DWP and
RNIB
> will be reporting back on how we get on with ISO 16071, but I would
be very
> interested in hearing what "evidence" others need to have, in order
to be
> able to confidently advocate the use of a particular set of
standards or
> guidelines for software accessibility/usability. Do you need to
prove that
> compliance equals access for your client group? Should evidence be
in the
> form of a published research paper, or practical case studies, or
something
> else? Any other comments on the use of standards and guidelines for
> procurement?

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 15:47:14 +0100
From: ruth.loebl@...
Subject: Brief update

Progress towards our objectives is slow, but there are a number of things to
report.

1. Within RNIB we have adopted a set of standards based on ISO 16071, and
have had the opportunity to try to apply them against three different
software products: one library management system and two customer
relationship management systems. This has allowed us to take a view of what
the likely access barriers may be for users of the systems, and inform the
developers and suppliers of how they might improve their products to make
them more accessible.

2. We have found that applying the ISO 16071 technical specification is not
easy. The main difficulty is ensuring that we are interpreting the
statements in the spec in the way they were intended - the language is not
easy to understand and some of the concepts are very technical. We are
working on this in two ways:
a) creating a list of questions and comments that have been sent to the ISO
committee that is working on the specification: 2 sets of questions have
been sent, and the committee has responded to one set so far, very
positively.
b) we plan to create as large a body of examples and explanations as we can,
ensuring that we fully understand what each standard really signifies (a bit
like the explanations in the IBM checklists).

3. Following the ratification of the European procurement Directives, I have
been told that the UK Office of Government Commerce (OGC) will be consulting
on how they may be incorporated into UK guidelines for government
procurement. I have not yet received notification of this consultation,
although it should be starting any time now.

I would be very interested to hear whether other organisations or
individuals are actively working towards any of the objectives of this list.
In particular, I have not been able to engage with organisations
representing other disability groups, to find out whether ISO 16071
adequately covers the IT accessibility issues that would face people with
impairments unrelated to blindness or partial sight. Please let me know if
you can help on this issue, or if you know someone with disability and IT
accessibility knowledge or expertise.

I would like to thank those people who have sent me information and messages
off-list. Although very few messages have been posted, I am grateful that
people remain subscribed, and look forward to a higher level of contribution
in the future.

All the best
---
Ruth Loebl
Senior UK ICT Development Officer

RNIB Technology in Learning and Employment
58-72 John Bright Street
Birmingham
B1 1BN
Tel: +44 (0)121-665 4231
Fax: +44 (0)121-665 4201
Email: Ruth.Loebl@...
Web: http://www.rnib.org.uk/technology/

Progress towards our objectives is slow, but there are a number of things to
report.

1. Within RNIB we have adopted a set of standards based on ISO 16071, and
have had the opportunity to try to apply them against three different
software products: one library management system and two customer
relationship management systems. This has allowed us to take a view of what
the likely access barriers may be for users of the systems, and inform the
developers and suppliers of how they might improve their products to make
them more accessible.

2. We have found that applying the ISO 16071 technical specification is not
easy. The main difficulty is ensuring that we are interpreting the
statements in the spec in the way they were intended - the language is not
easy to understand and some of the concepts are very technical. We are
working on this in two ways:
a) creating a list of questions and comments that have been sent to the ISO
committee that is working on the specification: 2 sets of questions have
been sent, and the committee has responded to one set so far, very
positively.
b) we plan to create as large a body of examples and explanations as we can,
ensuring that we fully understand what each standard really signifies (a bit
like the explanations in the IBM checklists).

3. Following the ratification of the European procurement Directives, I have
been told that the UK Office of Government Commerce (OGC) will be consulting
on how they may be incorporated into UK guidelines for government
procurement. I have not yet received notification of this consultation,
although it should be starting any time now.

I would be very interested to hear whether other organisations or
individuals are actively working towards any of the objectives of this list.
In particular, I have not been able to engage with organisations
representing other disability groups, to find out whether ISO 16071
adequately covers the IT accessibility issues that would face people with
impairments unrelated to blindness or partial sight. Please let me know if
you can help on this issue, or if you know someone with disability and IT
accessibility knowledge or expertise.

I would like to thank those people who have sent me information and messages
off-list. Although very few messages have been posted, I am grateful that
people remain subscribed, and look forward to a higher level of contribution
in the future.

All the best
---
Ruth Loebl
Senior UK ICT Development Officer

RNIB Technology in Learning and Employment
58-72 John Bright Street
Birmingham
B1 1BN
Tel: +44 (0)121-665 4231
Fax: +44 (0)121-665 4201
Email: Ruth.Loebl@...
Web: http://www.rnib.org.uk/technology/

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My name is Stanley M. Debono and I am executive coordinator at the
Foundation for Information Technology (Malta), FITA in short.

FITA is a deceivingly small organisation, since its operations are
administered by just two individuals, but we have established a wide
network of contacts and partner organisations, that has enabled us to
plan and implement a number of services aimed at promoting ICT
accessibility.

We regularly organise basic to advanced ICT courses, facilitate the
acquisition of ICT products by disabled persons, provide consultancy
services aimed at using ICT in education and work environments and
also obtained a substantial degree of representation within public
policy making circles.  We are also invovled in ICT research projects
in collaboration with the University of Malta, most of which involve
software development.   More information on all this is available at
the FITA  website www.knpd.org/mittsfita

FITA, being the only organisation in Malta, who's main goal is the
promotion of ICT accessibility to disabled persons, has a major
interest in possible outcomes from this discussion and hopefully can
contribute a lot, from our experience in this field.

Regards,

Stanley
--- In IT-include@yahoogroups.com, ruth.loebl@r... wrote:
> I'm sure some of you have forgotten that you signed up to this
list, and
> cluttered email inboxes have certainly not had to contend with a
huge volume
> of traffic. Perhaps we could start some information exchange if
subscribers
> introduce themselves and contribute a brief synopsis of their
interest in
> accessible IT procurement?
>
> Within RNIB we are working on a number of fronts:
>
> - Exploring the activity taking place in Europe around a new
Directive that
> covers procurement, and specifically "environmental and social
issues" (one
> of which is accessibility). This Directive is not yet confirmed,
but if and
> when it is, the UK government then has to implement it in UK law.
>
> - The agency responsible for guidance on UK government procurement
policy is
> the Office of Government Commerce. Ideally, OGC might consult
members of
> this group to produce appropriate guidance that includes
accessibility. OGC
> have previously collaborated with DEFRA to produce guidance on
environmental
> issues, and accessibility is mentioned briefly in this document:
> http://www.ogc.gov.uk/index.asp?id=400
>
> - We have lost an ally in the Office of the e-Envoy with Geoff
Rymans
> departure, and further change will ensue with the recruitment to
the new
> post of "Head of e-Government", to replace the current e-Envoy. An
article
> in The Register gives more information about this, at
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/34518.html. We will continue
to try
> and influence Government about the importance of compliance with
> accessibility guidelines or standards in IT procurement.
>
> - Within RNIB, we need to establish our own accessible IT
procurement policy
> and procedures. We have a draft policy and procedures, we are
testing this
> out on a current procurement exercise, and examining the ISO
standard 16071
> with a view to adopting it for our compliance testing.
>
> I hope others will take a few minutes to introduce themselves, even
if their
> activity on accessible IT procurement is currently limited to
monitoring
> this list!
>
> All the best for 2004
> ---
> Ruth Loebl
> Senior UK ICT Development Officer
>
> RNIB Technology in Learning and Employment
> 58-72 John Bright Street
> Birmingham
> B1 1BN
> Tel: +44 (0)121-665 4231
> Fax: +44 (0)121-665 4201
> Email: Ruth.Loebl@R...
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Hi folks,

I work at Easter Seals, a national organization that provides job training for adults with disabilities. We're in the planning stages of creating a program for that would expand Web-related job opportunities for people who are blind, visually impaired or have other types of disabilities. We need your help to be sure our program gets off the ground.

If you are someone who creates or manages Web sites using assistive technologies, or know someone who is, you can help us by completing our short online survey by Wednesday, April 14, 2004 and/or forwarding this email to people you know:

Our program would help make Web administration positions available to people who cannot use a mouse due to visual or motor disabilities by providing training on the accessible Web administrator tools and placing them in internships and job positions at participating nonprofits.

We need federal funding to make our program a reality. Please assist our program development and grant application process by taking our short survey. As a thank you, everyone who takes our survey will have access to our "Taxicab Pocket Guide," a guide for taxi drivers to help them provide good service to customers with disabilities. It’s great for printing and providing to taxi drivers or other transportation personnel. (The guide is available in PDF, text or MP3 audio file formats).

Take the survey now:

Your survey responses are anonymous. If you have any questions please contact Lucinda Lefferts by email (llefferts@... <mailto:llefferts@...>) or telephone: 202-347-3066.

Again, we need your responses by April 14. Thanks!

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the IT-include
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leam38 <ruth.loebl@...>

I am forwarding this on behalf of RNIB's European Campaigns Unit. I hope you
find it encouraging and useful. I have been contacted off-list by a couple
of you, and am intending to respond very soon. I'm also keen to update you
on what I've been doing on government procurement, when I've got a minute or
two.
Cheers
Ruth

Subject: EU Campaigns Briefing 81a, Public Procurement

The attached European Campaigns Briefing contains information about a recent
RNIB European Campaign success in influencing European public procurement
legislation. There is a summary of the issue as well as a more detailed
analysis.

Please let me know if you wish to receive a text version of the attached
Briefing rather than the Word version.

European Campaigns Unit
Royal National Institute of the Blind (RNIB)
105 Judd Street
London
WC1H 9 NE
UK

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Hi Mark,

Sorry it was my mistake, hit the send button in error!

I was putting an email together to send direct to Ruth Loebl at RNIB and
have since done this.

Should have sent an email to group to as them to ignore my mail.  Will make
sure I do if it happens again!

Kind regards, Ruth

Ruth Marshall

Group E-commerce Consultant

Group E-commerce Development

Tel: 0131 246 6376

Fax: 0131 245 1005



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> In answer to your questions:
>
> In order to
>
I'm sorry Ruth, I didn't catch that last bit :-)

In case you're wondering what I mean, what I received of your reply was
only
the above three words. The rest seems to have been munged on the way by
some
evil technology. Could you repost your reply in full.

Thanks,
Mark

Dr. Mark Magennis  -  EU Projects

National Council for the Blind of Ireland
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I'm sorry Ruth, I didn't catch that last bit :-)

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Mark

Dr. Mark Magennis  -  EU Projects

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Hi Ruth,

Thanks for your email below.  Apologies for the delay in replying.

In answer to your questions:

In order to


Ruth Marshall

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Group E-commerce Development

Tel: 0131 246 6376

Fax: 0131 245 1005



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  A couple of things to report about procurement, and a question for you at
the end:

1. I have attached a document prepared by Leen Petre, RNIB's European
Campaigns Manager, with some specific text from the draft procurement
directive on "the coordination of procedures for the award of public works
contracts, public supply contracts and public service contracts". There is
a
similar draft directive on procurement procedures of entities operating in
the water, energy, transport and postal service sectors which we haven't
analysed yet. Aspects of interest to members of this list are highlighted.
It is hoped that this draft Directive will be ratified in Europe next week.

2. I attended a conference yesterday about helping SME's gain business from
public sector procurers, addressed by some serious personages such as Sir
Peter Gershon, Chief Exec of OGC, and Mark Forth, Head of Procurement for
Inland Revenue. I didn't manage to buttonhole Sir Peter, but I did corner
the Director of OGC, Martin Sykes, and batter him about what the new
clauses
in the Directive mean in reality, and how he needed to engage with
disability organisations so that OGC could provide appropriate and
effective
guidance to public sector procurers (subject to however the UK implements
the new Directive). He agreed to try and find the right person within OGC
to
talk to me.

3. Now the question: a couple of people have mentioned accessibility
standards as being important and of interest in their work. DWP and RNIB
will be reporting back on how we get on with ISO 16071, but I would be very
interested in hearing what "evidence" others need to have, in order to be
able to confidently advocate the use of a particular set of standards or
guidelines for software accessibility/usability. Do you need to prove that
compliance equals access for your client group? Should evidence be in the
form of a published research paper, or practical case studies, or something
else? Any other comments on the use of standards and guidelines for
procurement?

Best wishes
Ruth

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Hello All,

I have recently returned to Standard Life from a secondment to the RNIB's
Accessible Website Consultancy Team for a year and a half.  In my role in
Standard Life I am continuing to work on website accessibility on the
Standard Life websites.

I have joined this list to keep up to date with accessible IT procurement
so that I can arrange for measures to be put into place to ensure that our
hardware and software is accessible.

Kind regards, Ruth

Ruth Marshall

Group E-commerce Consultant

Group E-commerce Development

Tel: 0131 246 6376

Fax: 0131 245 1005




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http://www.standardlife.co.uk/

The Standard Life Assurance Company, Standard Life House, 30 Lothian Road,
Edinburgh EH1 2DH, is registered in Scotland (No. SZ4) and regulated by the
Financial Services Authority. Tel: 0131 225 2552 - calls may be recorded or
monitored. This confidential e-mail is for the addressee only. If received
in error, do not retain/copy/disclose it without our consent and please
return it to us. We virus scan and monitor all e-mails but are not
responsible for any damage caused by a virus or alteration by a third party
after it is sent.

A couple of things to report about procurement, and a question for you at
the end:

1. I have attached a document prepared by Leen Petre, RNIB's European
Campaigns Manager, with some specific text from the draft procurement
directive on "the coordination of procedures for the award of public works
contracts, public supply contracts and public service contracts". There is a
similar draft directive on procurement procedures of entities operating in
the water, energy, transport and postal service sectors which we haven't
analysed yet. Aspects of interest to members of this list are highlighted.
It is hoped that this draft Directive will be ratified in Europe next week.

2. I attended a conference yesterday about helping SME's gain business from
public sector procurers, addressed by some serious personages such as Sir
Peter Gershon, Chief Exec of OGC, and Mark Forth, Head of Procurement for
Inland Revenue. I didn't manage to buttonhole Sir Peter, but I did corner
the Director of OGC, Martin Sykes, and batter him about what the new clauses
in the Directive mean in reality, and how he needed to engage with
disability organisations so that OGC could provide appropriate and effective
guidance to public sector procurers (subject to however the UK implements
the new Directive). He agreed to try and find the right person within OGC to
talk to me.

3. Now the question: a couple of people have mentioned accessibility
standards as being important and of interest in their work. DWP and RNIB
will be reporting back on how we get on with ISO 16071, but I would be very
interested in hearing what "evidence" others need to have, in order to be
able to confidently advocate the use of a particular set of standards or
guidelines for software accessibility/usability. Do you need to prove that
compliance equals access for your client group? Should evidence be in the
form of a published research paper, or practical case studies, or something
else? Any other comments on the use of standards and guidelines for
procurement?

Best wishes
Ruth

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Dear Mark

Thanks for this information - I have been aware of the NDA guidelines for
some time, and they are referenced on this list's Links page at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IT-include/links. They were also one of the
principal sources for my initial work on setting up a procurement policy
within RNIB - we needed to settle on the standards that we would apply when
procuring software. I carried out an analysis and comparison of Section 508,
the IBM checklist and the NDA guidelines for software, to set out the
strengths and weaknesses of each. I will forward you the actual report
off-list, as I'm sure you'd be interested in the findings, and I'd love to
hear your comments.

Since then, however, the ISO standard 16071 has been published, and that
seems to fill the gaps I found in the analysis. It has its own failings,
however, and one is definitely the lack of application-related guidance and
examples to illustrate the standards in practical use. We have tentatively
agreed to use ISO for the next procurement exercise within RNIB (previously
the IBM checklist was used).

I totally agree with your view that rules have to be user-friendly and
different users have different requirements - programmers will want
technical examples, usability testers will want testing techniques etc.
Within RNIB we are working towards creating examples to explain the ISO
standards (we're not 100% sure we understand them all yet) but there will
most certainly be a need to create technical examples, and we're not there
yet. One thing we have been trying to fund is the development of a testing
tool - more like a guided methodology for carrying out testing, and
automating and standardising a report format. I recently met some usability
testers at IBM (who may shortly be joining the list, I hope) who have an
internal tool that I'm hoping to see in a couple of weeks. It isn't an IBM
product, and there are a number of reasons why it is unlikely to become one,
but I think there is a demand for such a tool, and hopefully we will pursue
this avenue, especially if others also want such a thing.

On a practical level, it would be interesting to know whether in your role
at NCBI you can contribute to any collaborative work with RNIB? I don't yet
have anything specifically in mind, but I'll give it some thought and
discuss it with my colleagues here.

Best wishes
Ruth

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From: Mark Magennis [mailto:mark.magennis@...]
Sent: 09 January 2004 10:39
To: IT-include@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [IT-include] Invitation to subscribers to contribute a
brief synopsis


Dear all,

My name is Mark Magennis. I have just joined the list and have found it very
interesting and useful to read about the interests and activities of the
other members. I would like take a few minutes to introduce myself and tell
you what I am about. I work for the National Council for the Blind of
Ireland (NCBI) where I am building our IT accessibility expertise.
Historically, we are a little weak in this area, but we plan to do
consultancy and research with the aim of becoming something that you could
call a Centre of Excellence.

Previously, I worked for a user-centred design consultancy called Frontend,
where I was principal author of the Irish National Disability Authority's IT
accessibility guidelines (see accessIT.nda.ie). These guidelines might be
interesting for other list members. They cover four areas - web, public
access terminals, telecoms and application software. Our main aim was to
produce a usable resource for all the different types of people who would
want to use them - developers, procurers, evaluators, etc. They therefore
contain a lot of extra explanation, information and advice around the actual
guidelines themselves. For example, for each set of guidelines there is a
section describing how to use them if you are in a particular role and
having to carry out particular tasks. One of these roles is Planning and
Procurement and a typical task is to write a request for tenders that
includes accessibility requirements. We did this because it had become clear
during the audience research that the various types of users of these
guidelines wanted information presented from their own perspective. Public
sector procurement officers, for example, found that guidelines such as the
WCAG seemed geared towards techies, so they found them difficult to
understand and use. The role and task-based instructions was one way of
trying to achieve that. I would be interested to hear any comments on this
or any other aspects of our guidelines, such as the advice we provide on
user testing.

During the process of writing these guidelines, I became very interested in
the whole question of what makes guidelines successful, so that they are
mandated, applied and correctly used for their intended purpose. It is not
enough to simply have a set of rules. They need to be rules that people can
work with. For example, they need to be rules that can be specified as
project requirements and for which compliance can be measured by the
procurers and the providers. But they also need to be able to fit within
existing design and development processes and not hamper the creativity of
the designers. I have not had time since then to pursue these questions, but
considerations like these seem to be what the objectives of this list are
based on, so I am very happy to be involved.

All the best,
Mark

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Dear all,

My name is Mark Magennis. I have just joined the list and have found it very
interesting and useful to read about the interests and activities of the
other members. I would like take a few minutes to introduce myself and tell
you what I am about. I work for the National Council for the Blind of
Ireland (NCBI) where I am building our IT accessibility expertise.
Historically, we are a little weak in this area, but we plan to do
consultancy and research with the aim of becoming something that you could
call a Centre of Excellence.

Previously, I worked for a user-centred design consultancy called Frontend,
where I was principal author of the Irish National Disability Authority's IT
accessibility guidelines (see accessIT.nda.ie). These guidelines might be
interesting for other list members. They cover four areas - web, public
access terminals, telecoms and application software. Our main aim was to
produce a usable resource for all the different types of people who would
want to use them - developers, procurers, evaluators, etc. They therefore
contain a lot of extra explanation, information and advice around the actual
guidelines themselves. For example, for each set of guidelines there is a
section describing how to use them if you are in a particular role and
having to carry out particular tasks. One of these roles is Planning and
Procurement and a typical task is to write a request for tenders that
includes accessibility requirements. We did this because it had become clear
during the audience research that the various types of users of these
guidelines wanted information presented from their own perspective. Public
sector procurement officers, for example, found that guidelines such as the
WCAG seemed geared towards techies, so they found them difficult to
understand and use. The role and task-based instructions was one way of
trying to achieve that. I would be interested to hear any comments on this
or any other aspects of our guidelines, such as the advice we provide on
user testing.

During the process of writing these guidelines, I became very interested in
the whole question of what makes guidelines successful, so that they are
mandated, applied and correctly used for their intended purpose. It is not
enough to simply have a set of rules. They need to be rules that people can
work with. For example, they need to be rules that can be specified as
project requirements and for which compliance can be measured by the
procurers and the providers. But they also need to be able to fit within
existing design and development processes and not hamper the creativity of
the designers. I have not had time since then to pursue these questions, but
considerations like these seem to be what the objectives of this list are
based on, so I am very happy to be involved.

All the best,
Mark

Hallo everyone,

I'd just like to introduce myself and Lesley Mitchell, from the Department
for Work and Pensions Accessibility Solutions Team.  The DWP is not only the
Department with responsibility for the Disability Discrimination Act, but is
also one of the largest UK Government Departments, with 140, 000 plus staff
delivering services to a huge customer base including people of working age,
pensioners and people with caring responsibilities.

We are a small team working within the Department's Digital Infrastructure
area, and our principal role is to work with IT projects throughout the
Department and its various businesses, to ensure that accessibility is built
into all DWP IT systems, applications, websites and e-learning products,
from the design stage (or at the start of the procurement process in the
case of off-the-shelf products).   We are also in the process of taking over
responsibility for managing the process by which individual members of our
staff obtain IT related accessibility solutions to help them do their jobs.

We have recently taken the decision to adopt ISO 16071 as the basis for the
Department's accessibility standards for IT systems and applications, and
are in process of introducing tailored guidance to help developers, project
managers and people responsible for project governance apply the standards.
This should be in place within the next few weeks and we have agreed to
report back to the IT-include group on the success (or otherwise!) of this
venture once the standards have been in place long enough to start having an
effect.

We are also working closely with colleagues involved in negotiating new
call-off contracts with IT suppliers, to ensure that any potential supplier
of IT solutions to the Department understands and is committed to meeting
the Department's accessibility requirements.

  And finally, we, like RNIB, are continuing to keep an eye on developments
related to the European Directive and maintaining contact with colleagues in
OGC.

Sally Wiseman
Accessibility Solutions Team
Department for Work and Pensions



  -----Original Message-----
From: ruth.loebl@... [mailto:ruth.loebl@...]
Sent: 07 January 2004 10:01
To: IT-include@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [IT-include] Invitation to subscribers to contribute a brief
synopsis



I'm sure some of you have forgotten that you signed up to this list, and
cluttered email inboxes have certainly not had to contend with a huge volume
of traffic. Perhaps we could start some information exchange if subscribers
introduce themselves and contribute a brief synopsis of their interest in
accessible IT procurement?

Within RNIB we are working on a number of fronts:

- Exploring the activity taking place in Europe around a new Directive that
covers procurement, and specifically "environmental and social issues" (one
of which is accessibility). This Directive is not yet confirmed, but if and
when it is, the UK government then has to implement it in UK law.

- The agency responsible for guidance on UK government procurement policy is
the Office of Government Commerce. Ideally, OGC might consult members of
this group to produce appropriate guidance that includes accessibility. OGC
have previously collaborated with DEFRA to produce guidance on environmental
issues, and accessibility is mentioned briefly in this document:
http://www.ogc.gov.uk/index.asp?id=400
<http://www.ogc.gov.uk/index.asp?id=400>

- We have lost an ally in the Office of the e-Envoy with Geoff Rymans
departure, and further change will ensue with the recruitment to the new
post of "Head of e-Government", to replace the current e-Envoy. An article
in The Register gives more information about this, at
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/34518.html.
<http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/34518.html.>  We will continue to
try
and influence Government about the importance of compliance with
accessibility guidelines or standards in IT procurement.

- Within RNIB, we need to establish our own accessible IT procurement policy
and procedures. We have a draft policy and procedures, we are testing this
out on a current procurement exercise, and examining the ISO standard 16071
with a view to adopting it for our compliance testing.

I hope others will take a few minutes to introduce themselves, even if their
activity on accessible IT procurement is currently limited to monitoring
this list!

All the best for 2004
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Thank you to those who have so far introduced themselves. Let me now say
that in no way do I wish to stifle any relevant discussion, but I'd like to
remind subscribers of the purpose of this list.

The main objectives of the Interest Group are as follows:
1) to establish how compliance with an accessibility framework can be
mandated within the IT procurement policies of employers and others
2) to work towards the best practical accessibility standards and/or
guidelines for IT interfaces, for application within the procurement
framework
3) to recommend testing and evaluation methods so that compliance with the
accessibility framework can be measured objectively.

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contribution, bearing in mind the guidelines above.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Terry Robinson

To: IT-include@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 6:39 AM

Subject: Re: [IT-Include] Invitation to subscribers to contribute a brief synopsis

Hi Colin,

I note your interest in electronic engineering. I'm an electronics graduate
myself - UMIST 1973. However, I didn't make a career of it. Things had
already got too small by the time I came on the scene. For more details of
myself, see my CV on my website.

Anyway, I wonder what pieces of equipment you've designed, or facilitated.
I've been banging on for some time about our need for an affordable,
accessible multimeter which doesn't require connecting to a PC. I wrote a
spec for such a device some time ago and could try to dig it out if you're
interested.

Cobolt Systems told me there wasn't sufficient demand - I suppose this is a
bit chicken and egg, that we don't have many electrical boffs because we
don't have the kit to do it. At the same time, of course, electronics for
the Blind is even more difficult than it was in 73.

I find a continuity tester and, in fact a multimeter quite useful around the
house for checking basic wiring jobs, Christmas lights that have packed up,
etc.

Tandy used to make one which cost about £80 but this had severe limitations.
Another, cheaper model they introduced was worse, but still better than
nothing. I think the only available models cost hundreds of pounds and
require connecting to a PC to be usable. I stand to be corrected if this is
no longer true.

So, would you, or anyone else on the list be interested in discussing this
further? I look forward to hearing from you.

Perhaps the VIRES list would be a more suitable forum for this discussion,
forgive me for trespassing.

Cheers & thanks,

Terry


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