Hi,

I cross-posted your question to the Oracle Designer ODTUG mailing list.
Please find below the responses from there.
Another one - the first included below and the most informed - came directly
to me from Dai Clegg, the Oracle JDeveloper Development Manager, who has
previously been a senior member of the Designer team .

If you want to contact anyone directly for more details, the email addresses
are preserved.
If you're interested in Designer, could I suggest that you subscribe to the
ODTUG mailing list(s), at http://www.odtug.com/subscrib.htm.
<http://www.odtug.com/subscrib.htm.>
The Designer list there seems to be the most active anywhere on this topic.


Regards,
Gabriel Tanase
Systems Designer
GE Financial Insurance Europe
GEIS Shannon, Ireland
e-mail Gabriel.Tanase@...
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> Subject: [Fwd: FW: [ITmethods] Oracle Designer 2000: process modeling
standard -]
> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:18:34 +0100
> From: Dai Clegg <dai.clegg@...>
> Organization: Oracle Corporation
> To: ITmethods@yahoogroups.com
>
> Hi,
>
> The major original influence was Rummler & Brache's syntax
> (
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0787900907/qid=1023815776/sr=1-1/ref=
sr_1_1/102-3854722-8632949
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0787900907/qid=1023815776/sr=1-1/ref
=sr_1_1/102-3854722-8632949> )
> which was also an influence on UML Activity modeling.
>
> dai
>

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark A. Kramm [mailto:mkramm@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:13 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-DES2K-L
> Subject: RE: [ITmethods] Oracle Designer 2000: process
> modeling standard
> -
>
>
> It is based on Richard Barkers et al method Business Process
> Modeling. He
> has a book that you can purchases from Oracle and Oracle
> offers a class that
> I used to teach for them "Process and Function Modeling" also known as
> "Enterprise Modeling".
>
> Mark
>
> _____
>
> Mark A. Kramm - Creative Design Associates -
> www.creative-design-associates.com
<http://www.creative-design-associates.com> - 888-886-0550
> Providing: Oracle Designer/SCM consulting services, training/workshops and
> methodologies for information resources planning and management, including
a
> full range of specialized applications design architecture and database
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schaller, Robert [mailto:Robert_Schaller@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:07 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-DES2K-L
> Subject: RE: [ITmethods] Oracle Designer 2000: process
> modeling standard
> -
>
>
> I think Oracle should be asked this question since the ITMethods
> organization ranks methodologies and makes statements about their
> competitive advantage.
>
> That said 'my interpretation' would be that Oracles approach is a
"Modified
> Process Flow Diagram (IDEF3) in a Swim-Lane Diagram format, enhanced with
> Activity Based Costing and Activity Animation features."
> [...]
> Regards,
> Rob Schaller

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Dorsey [mailto:pdorsey@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:34 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-DES2K-L
> Subject: RE: [ITmethods] Oracle Designer 2000: process
> modeling standard
> -
>
>
> However, keep in mind that the process modeler in Designer is probably one
> of the least used parts of the product. As a result, it is also less
mature
> than some other more popular parts of the product. Is anyone out there
using
> the process modeler and can say how they use it?
>
> Paul Dorsey
> Dulcian, Inc.
> pdorsey@...
> 732 744 1116
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Kramm
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 2:13 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-DES2K-L
> -
>
>
> It is based on Richard Barkers et al method Business Process
> Modeling. ...

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark A. Kramm [mailto:mkramm@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 8:34 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-DES2K-L
> Subject: RE: [ITmethods] Oracle Designer 2000: process modeling standard
>
>
> I use it for high level dependency modeling. I then decompose these high
> level processes into functions using the FHD.
>
> I am really really disappointed with Oracle for dropping the ball with
this
> tool. It had some really good possibilities. Especially if the were to add
> business rules modeling with it. Too bad...
>
> I wrote an article that I hope you will find useful. It can be downloaded
> from the ODTUG site "Relationship Between The Process Modeler and the
> Functional Hierarchy Diagrammer".
>
> Mark
>
> _____
>
> Mark A. Kramm - Creative Design Associates
> _____
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: root@... [mailto:root@...]On Behalf Of Paul Dorsey
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 2:34 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-DES2K-L
> > Subject: RE: [ITmethods] Oracle Designer 2000: process modeling standard
> >
> >
> > [...] Is anyone out there using
> > the process modeler and can say how they use it?
> >
> > Paul Dorsey
> > Dulcian, Inc.
> > pdorsey@... <mailto:pdorsey@...>

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Flack [mailto:JohnF@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 8:59 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-DES2K-L
> Subject: RE: [ITmethods] Oracle Designer 2000: process
> modeling standard
> -
>
>
> I use it a lot, and really prefer using the Process Modeler to create
> Business Functions rather than the FHD. I also find it to be a good
> communication tool for showing to users. I just wish that it was easier to
> get a process model printed on as few pages as possible, or to include one
> in a word processing document.
>
> Hierarchy diagrams are useful to me to design menus, but not much else. I
> wouldn't use the FHD at all except that it is the easiest way to do CRUD
in
> Designer.
>
> One more thing - in saying that I use the process modeler a lot, I must
> still admit that I wish it would do a lot more, particularly at transform
> time. For instance, if I go to the trouble of entering data based Events,
I
> would like Designer's transformer to make triggers out of them.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Dorsey [SMTP:pdorsey@...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 2:34 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-DES2K-L
> > Subject: RE: [ITmethods] Oracle Designer 2000: process modeling standard
> >
> > [...] Is anyone out there using
> > the process modeler and can say how they use it?
> >
> > Paul Dorsey
> > Dulcian, Inc.
> > pdorsey@...

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Jacobs [mailto:jmjacobs@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:31 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-DES2K-L
> Subject: RE: [ITmethods] Oracle Designer 2000: process modeling
>
>
> Sadly, the process modeler has always been one of the less reliable
> tools. I had several clients try to use it, but it persisted in corrupting

> diagrams or spontaneously rearranging the layout. Maybe it got better in
> R6i, but the problems weren't fixed in the last version of R6 I tried.
>
> It isn't based on any particular standard, but that's not really a
> drawback. (Barker isn't a standard :-).
>
> It's too bad that Oracle hasn't put more work into the upper CASE
> tools. In fact, it's too bad they've essentially abandoned any serious
> future work on repository based tools. JDev is doing everything in XML
files.
>
> Meanwhile, the number of problems that would be solved by a "real"
> repository go unsolved...
>
> At 10:33 AM 6/11/02 -0800, you wrote:
> >However, keep in mind that the process modeler in Designer is probably
one
> >of the least used parts of the product. As a result, it is also less
mature
> >than some other more popular parts of the product. Is anyone out there
using
> >the process modeler and can say how they use it?
> >
> >Paul Dorsey
> >Dulcian, Inc.
> >pdorsey@...



-----Original Message-----
From: maccabee19 [mailto:maccabee19@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:02 PM
To: ITmethods@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ITmethods] Oracle Designer 2000


Can anyone tell me what Modeling Standard/Method Oracle incorporated
into their Oracle Designer 2000 Process Modeler ? It doesn't look
like UML or IDEF. Did they create their own standard ? A lot of the
other CASE tools incorporate Yourdon/DeMarco, Gane & Sarson,
Shlaer/Mellor, etc..

Thanks !


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