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Re: Is the self real?

A. N. Whitehead deemed an actual entity considered formaliter to be experiencing
its own immediacy of becoming.

This framework comprehends Heidegger's Dasein and Sartre's existence becoming
essence. (Sartre's position is that of non-self awareness deeming "there is no
self/Self," which is illogical, as claiming proof of a universal negative.)

Feeling is positive prehension, "the concrete facts of relatedness," per
Whitehead.

Presentational immediacy is clear, distinct consciousness of extensive
relations, and is a pure mode of perception.

Combined with causal efficacy, another pure mode of perception, presentational
immediacy forms outer waking consciousness.

"Selfness" and "Selfhood" are demonstrably similar to other hierarchies, such as
species and genera, fermions and atoms, etc. (Energy has geometrized structure,
hierarchy.)

Thus, a plant may have a level of selfness, and a crystal may be said to have a
level of selfness, albeit less sensible. Even as animals differ by species in
awareness of self, e.g. mirror-regarding experiments, so too does a species'
members display a distribution of awareness of "self."

Likewise, those humans who focus on and/or cultivate Self, have a more
perceptive understanding of the range of Selfness, again displayed on a
continuum distribution.

As a portion of Scripture in one of the Upanishads says: "If a man knoweth not
his self during his lifetime, the ills that may be in store for him after death,
he cannot even imagine." (Kathopanishad) Cultivation of Self, e.g. a la
Yogananda's "Autobiography of a Yogi" or Mark Prophet's "The Path of the Higher
Self," is therefore worthwhile.

As for non-localism as full explanation of consciousness--including "bit =
it"--there is a more refined and experimentally verified model, using SU(2)
symmetry a la superstring theory, but developed independently and prior to
superstring theory: an introduction to which is given at http://www.tiller.org
and "Psychoenergetic Science." The researchers are world-class in their
respective fields of crystal engineering, biological sciences, and meditation.

cheers,

j.


--- In Imagine_Knowledge@yahoogroups.com, "Damir Ibrisimovic" <damir@...> wrote:
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> Dear Stephen,
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> If peas can distinguish between self and non-self, this would mean that self
> is a fundamental property to all of the life:
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> http://www.bio-medicine.org/biology-news/Plants-discriminate-between-self-an
> d-non-self-1526-1/
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> Kind regards,
>
> Damir
>
>
>
> From: Imagine_Knowledge@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Imagine_Knowledge@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hucklebird@...
> Sent: Sunday, 29 March 2009 10:25 AM
> To: Imagine_Knowledge@yahoogroups.com;
> SPACETIMEandCONSCIOUSNESS@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Imagine_Knowledge] Is the self real?
>
>
>
> Is the self real?
>
>
> I have heard it said that self is an illusion. But even a foolish self that
> is tricked by illusion is still a real self, and so this claim does not hold
> up. Moreover, a foolish self implies the existence of a greater self from
> which the foolish self grew out and to which the foolish self will return.
> The trickery of illusion brings certitude back to the question of selfness,
> and the self is found to be transformative in the sense that better self
> identification is sought.
>
>
> The self is real for the sole justification provided by self evidence. It is
> only the self identification that changes, and therefore most of us spend a
> lifetime searching for our true self. The foolish self that has been
> educated of its foolishness is now only the ego. The ego finds itself
> attached to things of its own inventiveness. The ego is attached to its
> caricatures, and one day the caricatures must be released as they are
> revealed to be only illusions that outlived their usefulness. The ego`s
> persistent attachment is revealed as foolishness, but this self-evidence
> only draws the ego closer to the greater self because illusion can no longer
> captivate spirit.
>
>
> The claim that self is an illusion means only that the egoic attachment to
> caricatures are illusionary. The caricature giver is not the illusion, only
> the caricature is the illusion. The ego is attached to caricatures, and may
> grow intoxicated by the sweet nectar that is offered. The ambient nectar is
> strong enough to blind us of our true identities, and so it must be very
> close to our source. It will drive us to foolishness like mere puppet that
> are unable to control their impulses, until one day we wake up and see the
> mess we made of things. The sweet intoxication now transforms into an
> agitation, one we cannot sleep through. And so we awaken from our sleep and
> the self transforms. Therefore, the two-phase oscillation, of following a
> blind euphoria up to the turning point, of feeling the newly discovered
> agitation that leads to transformation, must also be close to source.
>
>
> The felt oscillation is self-evident. They grow more refined, and distant to
> the unstable oscillations of a bipolar personality that only represents
> pathology. When properly recognized, the mood swings will allow us to
> penetrate deeper into the transcendental that becomes more self evident. We
> follow our hopes, and adjust course when disappointments are felt. We follow
> inductive logic, and subject it to a critical deduction. We follow the ego,
> but discipline the ego when it acts only for selfish reasons. We concentrate
> on a problem with great effort, and step away and relax and then solve the
> problem without effort.
>
>
> This life force, the self-evident oscillation, must be shared by all life.
> The life force relates to the universal, and so it has the power to move
> well beyond our isolated egos. And because it relates to the universal there
> must also be a universal grammar. There must be a way to translate our
> provisional attitudes into God`s language, even when we are misbehaving.
> Misbehaving is the ego getting drunk enough on the sweet nectar until the
> time comes that the ego can feel the misbehaving too. Getting drunk on the
> sweet nectar will lead to the felt heartburn, and this calls for paying back
> the karmic debt. In other words, the side effects of misbehaving were meant
> to be felt. That is, the revealed self-evident affirms the existence of the
> universal grammar. Strangely we can translate this essay into God`s
> language, and sing about an angel with a smile on her face that had fooled
> the ego once again:
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24bwBb__O2A
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24bwBb__O2A&feature=related>
> &feature=related
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> Stephen
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> _____
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