I
have asked for $16.00 (US) as minimal price, but to see the price doubled defies
sanity. Unless, of course, I wasted paper and reselling my book costs more than
buying a new one :)
Kind
regards,
Damir
From: Imagine_Knowledge@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Imagine_Knowledge@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of thomas grant Sent: Sunday, 22 November 2009 3:19 AM To: Imagine_Knowledge Subject: RE: [Imagine_Knowledge] Digest Number 1496
Cheers.....I 'tip a glass' to that.....well anyway I am off to B & N to
look at their prices and offerings...Regards to all
Tom
"Judge a man by his questions rather than by his answers" Voltaire
To: imagine_knowledge@yahoogroups.com
From: retired153@...
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:27:58 -0800
Subject: Re: [Imagine_Knowledge] Digest Number 1496
--- On Fri, 11/20/09, Imagine_Knowledge@yahoogroups.com
<Imagine_Knowledge@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
An experience on amazon.com: one bookseller is selling a "used - like
new" copy of your book for $30.98
Anyway, congratulations.
Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one
place. Try it now.
Since the book’s roll out
started in October, I do not expect to see it in traditional bookstores soon. I
also do not expect a large success in initial sales. I rather hope for a
gradual raise based on word of mouth.
For your amusement, I’m
adding one of the stories from the book. It is a bit funny, but it does shed a
new light on all of us; a new perspective that should make us think. If you
like it, please forward this to your friends that might also like it.
Split-brain patients offer a wealth of
data for how we see.[1] The halves of the brains of
split-brain patients do not talk to each other. And if the left eye does not
see the same the right eye does, what is seen is recognised by each of the
halves separately. Knowing this, psychologists devised a clever experiment. For
example, they presented a picture of a shovel to the left eye only. At the same
time they presented a picture of a chicken to the right eye. The subject was
then presented with toys that included a shovel and a chicken to choose what
they have seen. They chose correctly, but the reasoning they offered for the
choice was perplexing. All the answers were in style – “you need a
shovel to clean up a chicken shed”…
Most of us do not have our brains
split. Our halves talk to each other and we do not have many shovels and
chickens – do we? Hmm… We (pedestrians) stop at a red light even if
there are no cars to be seen on both sides. What kind of answers will we give
if asked why we do not cross the road? The first will be that the light is red.
If pressed with the fact that there are no cars, we would probably say that we
did not look. And if pressed about why we did not look, we would probably say
that we were thinking about something else. We probably would not say that we
stopped first and then started to think about something else…
Our “red light behaviour”
is only a tiny example of a symptom we all demonstrate. And we demonstrate
everything, with all contradictions, that is happening in our closed eyes world
in every manner we can: faster heart beat, odour, sweat, involuntary micro
twitches of facial muscles, body posture etc. etc. In theory, we could build
equipment that would measure all these demonstrations of our stories –
and pinpoint the conflicting ones.
Unfortunately, we do not have such
equipment to help us pinpoint answers in the style – you need a shovel to
clean up a chicken shed… We will probably not have anything like this
imagined equipment in the foreseeable future – and even if we have it,
how to interpret the mountains of data will be a problem. The only feasible
path to detection of shovels and chickens in our stories is introspection and
reconciliation between stories.[2]
To clean up the
chicken shed we need to tease our stories out with intent. Shovels and chickens
are already ridiculous enough and habit breaking exercises[3] will start on their own…
But, our individual stories full of
shovels and chickens are just a minor issue when compared with the volumes of
stories full of shovels and chickens generated by our culture nowadays…
This is also
true for our scientific disciplines divided by iron curtains. We have no choice
but to roll up our sleeves, take the shovel and clean up the chicken
shed…
[1]
Surgical intervention that disables communication between halves of the brain
is sometimes necessary to reduce seizures some epileptics experience.
[2]
I did my best to eliminate shovels and chickens from My Stories. But I’m
sure that I missed many. If you find some – please – do not
hesitate to let me know.
Aldous
Huxley experimented with LSD (late 40s/early 50s) and described his experiences
in a long essay “The Doors of Perception” (1954). He chose to quote
William Blake (“If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything will
appear to man as it is, infinite.”) as opening. And I tend to agree with both
of them almost entirely. My doubts stem from two questions: 1. Is there a
difference between perceived infinite and infinite as is? 2. Are we
“lost” in one infinite and unable to relate it to other infinites
(not our memories of them)? Only negative answers on both could fully justify
the quote and Huxley’s conclusions. (An indication to an answer on 1 could
be given by people who have visual perception based on four basic colours
compared to our that is based on three. If we do not get a difference here,
finding a reliable answer on 2 will be quite difficult.)
That
said, I do not wish to exclude emotional verification. But that is beyond words
and reasoning. Here’s everybody on his own, but keeping oneself in check
is always well advised. (Blind believes into anything always lead into a
trouble.)
There
is also a much less known (and explored) fact. Practically all of the
substances you listed (+ some you missed) can be naturally synthesised in our
bodies. (Biological potential is there in possible expressions of our genome
sequences.) In addition, these substances can be synthesised in variants our
bodies could tolerate much better. And many of these synthesised variants can
be naturally combined by our bodies for enhanced effect. (Few combinations have
been already detected and analysed. And, surprise-surprise, all of them have
been detected in our brain. Their sources have not been fully identified, but
the blood in the rest of subjects’ systems did not contain them.)
But
there is a catch. Apparently, the state of subject’s mind needs to be
“in sync” with synthesised substances. These substances do not only
get us into “higher” states of mind, they can also destroy it.
(Some, replicated substances never passed experimental stage. Errors in
replication are not conclusively excluded, but...)
To
me, the safest and the most rewarding method is a deliberate change in the
state of my mind through meditation. I’ll probably never have all of the “fun”
other people might have, but I’m quite sure that they will never have all
of the “fun” I have. I do not know which drugs my body synthesises,
but some of my experiences surpass even those Huxley expressed. (There is a
limit in expression though.)
My
favourite is defocused meditation: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=meditation-on-demand-nov09.
(Please note that in Key Concepts, defocused meditation is erroneously
identified as deep meditation; but not so in the article itself. Defocused
meditations is, however, central to other types of deep meditations.)
Experienced practitioners of defocused meditation (Buddhist monks in this case)
demonstrated a remarkable ability to synchronise rhythms of their alpha, beta
and gamma brainwaves. Taking blood samples was considered too intrusive for a
successful meditation and we do not have data here.
In
everyday life, bursts of gamma brainwaves are very rare, very short (.4 sec in
average, I think) and likely limited to moments when we find a solution to a
problem. In fact, that was how they were discovered - by recording brainwaves
of students solving problems. Since then, several experiments/measurements were
conducted with very small variances in results. The nature of problems was
rather mathematical/logical, but I heard of a team that is trying to recruit students
from an academy for visual arts. (The most of painters, for example, have a
picture in their mind before the first stroke of the brush. Drawing a sketch,
however, would probably be the best for testing purposes.)
It
is worth to note that bursts occurred .6/.7 sec (again, I think) before students
reported finding a solution (button pressing). Libet’s .5 sec delay should
be taken in account here. There were also cases of significant delays in
reporting from students that were tending to re-evaluate, but I do not remember
figures and methods used to average them or discard them. (Sorry to be imprecise
here, but my access to these studies expired.)
Defocused
meditation integrates visual, audio and olfactory experiences. (I call it open
eyes meditation that can have varying depth.) Other sensory input is also
integrated, but in rather passive way, like a “platform”. Some say
that defocused meditation can be performed with our eyes closed, but I have
serious doubts about this. I have tried it few times, but all I could manage is
to “degrade” visual component and experience itself. (j implies
otherwise, but...)
I
already described in some detail my experiences with defocused meditation and
will not repeat here. I will, however, say that deepest defocused meditations
cannot be performed in any environment and on demand. In my case, the
environment and my responses to it are critical. (Once, my experiences matched
Huxley’s, but not entirely. He also seems to have been rather a passive
observer only, while my voice revibrated in everything I observed. I cannot go
further since words would not make any sense.)
I
would also add something I did not mentioned before. I sometimes, but rarely,
fall deliberately into a “light” defocused meditative state, others
interpret as “lost in thought”. While I do get lost in thought occasionally,
there is a difference. And this difference is always confirmed by puzzled reactions
of others if I speak in this state.
As
for Gödel et al. discussion. I maintain that the whole company probably never
faced (sensory) infinity. In any system of thought (philosophy), infinity must
be reduced to a manageable finite. (Only Hume, in his denial of definitive
answers, is a probable exception.) In the science also. The evidence must be
measurable and an experiment must be replicable. As result, we have
philosophers and scientists still running in 17th century circles. (And, as Gödel,
they are very touchy...)
Kind
regards,
Damir
From: serenityandtolerance@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:serenityandtolerance@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tyga Sent: Monday, 16 November 2009 2:08 PM To: serenityandtolerance@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [serenityandtolerance] Goedel et al.
I've never taken any psychedelics myself but I imagine if I had, then
this is the kind of idea I would imagine to be pertinent, "the impetus
must now be directed inward to find new dimensions as the impetus learns
to self navigate further."
*Dimethyltryptamine* (*DMT*), found excreted from the pineal gland in
the human brain, is a chemical almost identical to Psilocybin, the
psychedelic constituent of magic mushrooms.
They both belong to the tryptomine family of chemicals.
For
a meaningful answer, I have to summarise the current status of genetics and
emergence of the epigenetics. I guess that you have enough resources for the
former and I offer you a source for the later: http://www.epigenie.com/index.html.
Geneticists
appear to be in state of confusion lately; last decade approximately. And the
confusion seems to have a single source. In short, the belief in random changes/mutations
(error in copying) within genome lost its ground. In addition, the most of
results, they were hoping for, failed to materialise.
Fourteen
years ago, a question was raised: How is genotype translated (expressed) in
phenotype? And the answers were entirely unexpected. The same genome sequence
could generate quite different proteins (phenotypes) as its expression. Moreover,
these expressions were found to differ not only between different individuals.
They were found to differ in time within the same individual as this, easy to
follow, video illustrates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV8FM_d1Leo.
And recently, we have finds that even genome can differ between identical
twins: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080215121214.htm.
The
current thought, not yet contemplated by majority of (confused) geneticists,
could be outlined as follows: (Hopefully, I did not oversimplify.)
In
the process of fertilisation, parents’ epigenome facilitates pairing of
parents’ genome (sequences) into child’s genome (sequences). In
this, phenotype of a parent with “better” experiences in an
environment probably has a better chance to copy a sequence of originating
parent. I know of four teams now that are working on this independently. The
field is quite competitive and it is hard to get some details from them.
However, what I know for certain is that all of them are struggling to identify
environment related sequences of phenotype. (This is now changing original
timetables and results are now expected to be published in May/June, instead of
January/February.)
I
am in favour of an additional thought, although it may be hard to devise an
experiment to verify it. I think that a significant change in phenotype can
induce a change in genotype during the life of a single organism. This would
explain those minute differences in genotypes of identical twins. To capture a
change in genotype of an organism, we need to relate environmental factors and
their reflections in sequences of phenotype and genotype first. And that might
need few years.
The
virus is a special case here. As you know, a virus is rather (a fragment of) a
genome. Without a cell’s enclosure, it is rather a lifeless particle;
like a molecular dust. Only when it finds its way into a cell, the virus could
become active. (I stress this “could”, since the virus does not
always become active. And that is at heart of the matter.)
For
a virus to become active, it has to find compatible sequences within host’s
genome and epigenome. In the most of the cases, this is not difficult since the
compatible sequences are mostly basic sequences typical to the most of susceptible
organisms. But there is a catch. The sequences required for the virus to become
active have to be compatible between themselves also. If they are not, the
virus is weakened or fragmented (active vaccine).
The
active H1N1 vaccine counts on incompatibilities between sequences the virus is
trying to activate. This eases the task of our immune system. The production
process is rather a brute intervention into virus’ genome, but it works
in the most of the cases if administered before infection. (Another method is
to select a set of toxic proteins that will mimic the presence of a virus and
spur our immune system into action. This method, however, works for quite
limited number of viral infections that do not generate enough toxins that will
alert our immune system. Note that vaccines obtained by this method could be
administered before and after infection.)
The
passive H1N1 vaccine can be administered before and after infection occurs.
Apart from being a bit more expensive, it may be less durable since antibodies are
not always well tuned to mutated forms of a virus. A virus may undergo
significant genetic changes within hours in an organism; with most of them
being viruses’ attempts to avoid detection by introduced antibodies.
Fortunately, the introduced antibodies may buy enough time for our own immune
system to start generate its own antibodies.
The
danger of H1N1 is in its rapid evolution that may render current vaccines
ineffective. And the speed of its evolution is hugely augmented through
cross-species infections that are also making H1N1 more durable.
In
short, H1N1 is here for a long time (decades?) to be fought against. I suspect that
we will have many seasons ahead that will require new vaccines until we
establish “guards” on the most of evolutionary paths H1N1 may take
in future.
I
also think that we will be mistaken to narrow epigenetics to proteins that
constitute the cell only. (This would be equivalent to the mistake genetics did
by narrowing everything into genome only.) There is a solid reasoning
(complemented by some findings) that our experiences are reflected in phenotype
on the cellular level also. And as such, they may facilitate or inhibit activities
of viruses within our metabolism. Our fear of H1N1, for example, can make it
more contagious and destructive than it would otherwise be.
This
thought gave me the idea to seriously consider our emotions, that are also
contagious, as a factor in immunology and epidemiology: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Emotional_Epidemiology/.
I know that this kind of thinking may sound too farfetched. Solid scientific
indicators (findings) are still in the making. However, if we do not have anything
to look for... And it does seem that the most of geneticists have nothing to
look for (see confusion, above).
The
thought that a joke, for example, could be an effective (complement to) vaccine
for H1N1 (or something else) is still quite strange to minds of many. And the
mechanism of how a joke could alter specific proteins within our cells is still
in the realm of imagination. But, the thought that our emotions could trigger
production of extremely complex combinations of proteins that influence the
state of our metabolism should not be so strange. After all, we do use a
variety of drugs to alter emotions and behaviour of some patients. The reverse
is also confirmed in some cases. And the fact that emotions could generate
extremely complex combinations of proteins within our bodies could be behind placebo/nocebo
effects.
I
invite you again to join me. Emotional Epidemiology/Immunology could be a funny
implementation of our imagination, but with quite probable and serious results.
(I already devised a small component for emotional vaccination against H1N1
there.)
Kind
regards,
Damir
Ibrisimovic
From: Preventive_Medicine@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Preventive_Medicine@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Coolcindy. Sent: Saturday, 7 November 2009 9:02 AM To: Preventive_Medicine@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Preventive_Medicine] Emotional Epidemiology
You
are probably aware of two long term studies on human wellbeing in general.
Since these two studies involve large populations also, the volume of the
collected data allows for much more certainty in a statistical analysis. And
although some aspects of human wellbeing have been introduced at a later stage,
the volume already grew enough for an analysis from the psychological
perspective.
We
now have several studies on how emotions spread through a society, very much
like flu does. The most of the emotional influence happens nonconsciously, but
a degree of a conscious influence could be inferred. This, in itself, should
catch attention of any epidemiologist. I will, however, take this further.
Emotions
do impact the metabolism of a human being. And the changed metabolic state
could offer more favourable environment to a virus. And, of course, we could do
something about offering to viruses less welcoming environments.
Unfortunately,
we know very little about chemistry emotions, in combination with immune system,
induce. (We seem to know more about how some medications impact emotional
states.) We should allow for a possibility that a hypothetical emotional
vaccination could enhance our immune system.
Since
I am not a recognised medical professional, I will not intrude here much
longer. I will stay, however, long enough to see if this idea provoked some
interest. To those that might be interested in the psychological perspective, I
offer: