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Re: Reclaiming the chronology of Bharatam: Narahari Achar







--- In IndiaArchaeology@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Kekai Manansala"
<p.manansala@...> wrote:

> As mentioned in earlier discussion here, the earliest horse-riding
> evidence appears in South India mostly at megalithic sites going
> back to about 1500 BCE based on radiocarbon dates (Vincent
> Piggot, The Archaeometallurgy of the Asian Old World, 1999).


The evidence you refer to above is certainly the horse bones found
at the site of Hallur in Karnataka, which have been controversially
dated to c. 1,500 BCE.

Nowhere in archaeological literature did I read that the
osteological remains in question suggest that horses were *ridden*
in 1,500 BCE Karnataka. Indeed, horse trappings, furniture and even
bits were found in some *post-1,000 BCE* Megalithic burials in South
India, but, as far as I know, nothing of this sort was found at
Hallur.

So you can't claim that "the earliest horse-riding evidence appears
in South India" (N.B. According to Robert Drews, "the first
representation of any horse rider, precariously mounted and trying to
guide his horse with a big stick, comes on a Sumerian tablet from ca.
2000 BC").

Regards,
Francesco




Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:07 am

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... As mentioned in earlier discussion here, the earliest horse-riding evidence appears in South India mostly at megalithic sites going back to about 1500 BCE...
Paul Kekai Manansala
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Jul 17, 2008
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... The evidence you refer to above is certainly the horse bones found at the site of Hallur in Karnataka, which have been controversially dated to c. 1,500...
Francesco Brighenti
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Jul 18, 2008
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... What I meant is the earliest evidence of horse-riding in India, not the world Hallur 1b is associated with rock art that suggests horse riding. I believe...
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Jul 20, 2008
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... controversially ... even ... South ... appears ... to ... ca. ... Dear friends, This is another negationist report of Francesco. Of course he is not aware...
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Jul 20, 2008
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... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asian_Stone_Age#Neolithic ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asian_Stone_Age#Neolithic "In South India the Neolithic...
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Dear members of the list, Carlos Aramayo wrote: [re: my recent post archived at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/IndiaArchaeology/message/7371 ] ... Please...
Francesco Brighenti
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Jul 21, 2008
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... Several sources list rock paintings at Hallur, but there are associated rock paintings in many locations of Karnataka and Andra Pradesh showing horse and...
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Paul Kekai Manansala wrote (in three different messages posted during the last two weeks): http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/IndiaArchaeology/message/7361 ......
Francesco Brighenti
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... Francesco, you are simply playing your same old pendantic game. You don't know about the subject, which was evident when you first claimed there was no...
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Dear List, ... I don't think Paul's got any "information" re: most of South India horse-and-rider rock art being pre-Iron Age. His is only a bluff. But let me...
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... As usual. ... What I have constantly been stressing in ... This is a misrepresentation. It is mainly the AIT/AMT theorists, or rather a segment of them,...
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Paul, ... According to archaeologist Jean-François Jarrige, one of the excavators of Pirak, the figurines of horses and their riders found in the early levels...
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... I, ... No, I simply brought up the fact that you accept readily anything that agrees with your Aryanist interpretation, while negating on a whim anything...
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Dear members of the List, In order to show that what Paul has claimed on this List for days re: the age of South Indian rock art showing horseback riders is ...
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Dear members of the List, In order to show that what Paul has claimed on this List for days re: the age of South Indian rock art showing horseback riders is ...
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... in ... Ok, now were getting somewhere. Finally doing a bit of real research, Francesco! Only goes to show how far some patience will get you. Now, you...
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... The pot calling the kettle black! At least, I've done some research for you. Remember you never pruduced a *single* quote supporting your thesis so far, as...
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... Well by "transition" period they mean an "overlap" period! I guess you're not going to check the evidence of Neolithic horse-rider paintings in Karnataka,...
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Paul, ... According to archaeologist Jean-François Jarrige, one of the excavators of Pirak, the figurines of horses and their riders found in the early levels...
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... layers ... osteological ... Ghosh, ... It`s good that Francesco recognizes his mistake, but he continues... ... at ... kept ... thread, ... of ... to ... ...
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Carlos, ... The point is: Suppose Fuller et al. are proved right in dating the beginning of Megalithic culture in South India to a period earlier than that ...
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... Hallur has been associated by a number of archaeologists, which Francesco has yet to discover, with rock art showing horse riding. However, if you're going...
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... horse ... Dear Francesco, Hallur bones are not controversial. The recent Fuller's datings confirm the PREVIOUS WELL TAKEN SEQUENCE OF C14 SAMPLES at the...
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... This isn't a problem of dates, Carlos; anyway, I recognize I should have expressed myself better and said that the IDENTIFICATION OF THE BONES COMING FROM...
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... Ok, I'm beginning to understand what they mean by Francesco's negationist style. First of all, Francesco is negating what he admits he doesn't even know ...
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... Dr. Elst, The skeleton of a horse with the head missing was found in Gonur. http://tinyurl.com/6xuk4m Regards, JK...
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Dear JK, ... In this connection, you may want to read David Anthony's assessment of this find (made by Viktor Sarianidi during his excavations at Gonur Depe in...
Francesco Brighenti
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Discussion by K Elst Are you the RN Iyengar who wrote this wonderful paper about the Parashara Samhita, a reconstructed text roughly contemporaneous with the...
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... Namaste to all members, Dr. Narahari Achar would have got a date for the Mahabharata War in 3138 /3139 BCE had he taken Saturn to be near Visakha as then...
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... Quote The two positions are not contradictory if separated by about 15 years in the middle of second millennium BC. My solution fits in without any special...
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