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Re: [Infrared_Photography] False Colour IR problems

On 15/07/2009, at 8:28 AM, D Marcotte wrote:
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> You can download one or more of the 3 images here:
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> <http://www.bydawnlight.com/shared/False%20Colour%20IR/>
>

I hope you don't mind, but I've processed these and put up a temporary
gallery at
http://khromagery.com.au/samples/marcotte1


Jim mentioned the RAW files were B&W: yes a B&W picture style had been
used so the JPEG preview embedded in the supplied files was B&W. But
when the RAW data still has colour information.


To set a custom WB in-camera on your 450D, take a photo of some sunlit
grass and use the Custom WB function in the menus to use that to
define the WB. The images on the LCD will no longer appear red (of
course, don't combine this with the B&W Picture Style).

However, when you get the images into Adobe Camera Raw the WB setting
will be outside the range allowed by the software, and the colours
won't appear the same as on the camera's LCD. In that web gallery
I've presented 4 versions of each image:

1.
Using the standard profile, with the best WB setting possible (using
the eye-dropper tool, I clicked on some sunlit grass). There's still
a strong tint to the images, but if you take this into Photoshop and
run various Auto Color and Red/Blue-swap functions you can easily get
strong colours out of it. This is what the Khromagery FalseColour
action does.

2.
This is the above image after processing with the FalseColour action
(with the default Hue adjustment).

3.
Using a custom DNG profile, this is how strong the colours can be "out
of the box". These images can then be processed further in Photoshop
if you wish.
Incidentally, I started to make a custom DNG profile for each filter,
but they were very similar, and I ended up using the same custom
profile for every image. They do need different WB settings though.

4.
The same DNG profile, but instead of setting custom WB off the grass,
I instead chose things like the sky.


Do these examples help? Your first challenge is to learn how to set
custom white balances both in the camera and in your RAW processor.
Your next challenge may be to get a custom DNG profile set up to
further improve things.


By the way, you have some dust on your sensor!

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David




Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:23 am

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For several years now I have had little luck creating false colour IR images. A fellow camera club member with an IR modified Nikon D70 is getting good results...
D Marcotte
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Jul 14, 2009
8:06 pm

that image is REALLY red. Have you tried creating a cusom WB in camera by shooting sunlit grass through your filter? also, Auto Color is not the same thing as...
Jim Kramer
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Jul 14, 2009
8:47 pm

Don - sorry about the confusion... I thought the link you posted was one of your images. It would be helpful if you could shoot a test RAW file, and e-mail it...
Jim Kramer
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Jul 14, 2009
8:51 pm

My images are always reddish. If I use an enhanced colour filter similar to what Life Pixel installs (a Wratten 70 in my case), it is very red. If I use an...
D Marcotte
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Jul 14, 2009
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that works - send me the link, and I'll D/L. You didn't answer the question regarding a custom WB - have you tried that? -Jim Check Out My Infrared Galleries! ...
Jim Kramer
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Jul 14, 2009
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... Last question first. I have used custom WBs. I created them using a gray card and got a B+W image. I am not sure how that helps with false colour unless I...
D Marcotte
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Jul 14, 2009
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you do not want to use a gray card to create a custom white balance. Normally you would shoot a custom white balance on a white object. However, with infrared,...
Jim Kramer
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Jul 14, 2009
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I'm downloading now - but I'm only getting 56kbp/S throughput - so it's going to take a while! -Jim Check Out My Infrared Galleries! ...
Jim Kramer
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I forgot to answer your question - if you are shooting Canon equipment, you should be able to create a custom WB in the camera. If you tell me what camera...
Jim Kramer
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Jul 14, 2009
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Don - are you using a picture style or something (like for instance "B&W")? The W70 RAW file is in B&W. My understanding is that a W70 filter has a cutoff of...
Jim Kramer
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Jul 14, 2009
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Sorry. I shot those images with monochrome picture style. However I do all of my editing in PhotoShop. ACR ignores picture style and reads the RAW file and...
D Marcotte
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R72 file looks exactly the same - no color. -Jim Check Out My Infrared Galleries! <http://www.pbase.com/jwkramer61/infrared_galleries> ... [Non-text portions...
Jim Kramer
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maybe this will help a little: if you are NOT shooting with a custom WB, and using a R72 (720nm) filter on a CONVERTED camera, your RAW file should look...
Jim Kramer
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... I hope you don't mind, but I've processed these and put up a temporary gallery at http://khromagery.com.au/samples/marcotte1 Jim mentioned the RAW files...
David Burren
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Jul 15, 2009
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I figured that out... I had to update my Adobe Camera Raw so I could open them directly in Photoshop. -Jim Check Out My Infrared Galleries! ...
Jim Kramer
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Jul 15, 2009
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OK, first of all I don't mind you processing them. It is helpful to see what can be done. I tried your False Colours action with the original images and that ...
D Marcotte
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Jul 15, 2009
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... Yup. Just setting a semi-decent WB to separate some of the colours will let the action do its job. ... Well, actually in both cases you should use...
David Burren
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... Photo Life, a Canadian photographic magazine. Oops - I just remembered it was Peter Burren. I will test both a green grass and a gray card today while...
D Marcotte
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Hi Don, I don't know if this answers your question or not but to do custom WB for IR I take it on the green grass. Every digital DSLR might have a slightly...
terri pakula
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Jul 15, 2009
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... I will try it out today. The sun is shining brightly and I am heading off to a park set in forested mountains about 25 miles away. It has a large lake and...
D Marcotte
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ok... I finally got around the "B&W Picture Style" you had set (thanks David)... I set a custom WB after the fact using Breeze Browser Pro, so these images are...
Jim Kramer
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Jul 15, 2009
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Thanks Jim. I appreciate your help. I will try what you suggest and also do some messing around myself. It is a lousy time of year for astro imaging anyway...
D Marcotte
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Jul 15, 2009
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Have you tried adding a Curves layer then clicking the "Auto" button? I found that took much of the color cast off the IR image and then Auto Color would...
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Jul 14, 2009
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... No I haven't. I normally convert to B+W and only lately have tried false colour IR. There are many ways to remove a colour cast including plain old...
D Marcotte
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Jul 14, 2009
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... My personal suggestion would be; since you tried auto WB and on a grey card, try to set a WB on the grass, follow your manual for your specific way to do,...
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Jul 15, 2009
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Did you try using Auto Levels? It seems to create a bit of color separating for your particular jpg. Lars ... -- Regards, Lars Michael -- ...
Lars Michael
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Jul 15, 2009
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I have looked at his RAW files. They are monochrome. All the post processing tricks in the world can't produce false color from a mono RAW file... I suspect he...
Jim Kramer
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