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Re: False Colour IR problems

--- In Infrared_Photography@yahoogroups.com, D Marcotte <dmarcot@...> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:13 PM, audiotweak<audiotweak@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Have you tried adding a Curves layer then clicking the "Auto" button? I
> > found that took much of the color cast off the IR image and then Auto Color
> > would adjust it more.
>
> No I haven't. I normally convert to B+W and only lately have tried
> false colour IR.
>
> There are many ways to remove a colour cast including plain old Desaturate.
>
> Using ACR to remove the colour cast is easily done. Adobe Bridge
> applies the changes made to one image to all images in the folder.
>
> I keep coming back to where is the starting point for the channel
> swap? It appears that some massaging has to happen up front. Some
> people have been able to use Auto Color, but not me.
>
> A custom WB using a gray card gets me a B+W image. I suppose I can
> play with a number of custom WBs till I get what I want.
> >
> > If you're shooting RAW then create a DNG profile for ACR and that'll get you
> > going quicker and more accuratelyer (I just made that word up).
>
> Accurately is a real word <G>.
>
> Don
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --- In Infrared_Photography@yahoogroups.com, D Marcotte <dmarcot@> wrote:
> >>
> >> For several years now I have had little luck creating false colour IR
> >> images. A fellow camera club member with an IR modified Nikon D70 is
> >> getting good results using the red-blue channel swap. It have never
> >> worked well for me because the Auto Color function in CS4 and earlier
> >> versions doesn't change colours which become input to the red-blue
> >> channel swap.
> >>
> >> None of the following cameras have delivered good results - D100 with
> >> R72 installed; D200 with clear glass and 88A, 87 and Wratten 70 and
> >> Red 29 filters; 40D with clear glass and the same set of filters; new
> >> XSi with clear glass and most of the same set of filters plus 760nm
> >> and 850nm filters.
> >>
> >> All I get when I do Auto Color is a slight adjustment to the reddish
> >> image. When I do the channel swap, it becomes an intense blue image.
> >>
> >> This is one of the techniques I have tried. It was what my camera club
> >> friend uses. He was a little skeptical so I sent him one of my images
> >> and he became a believer!
> >>
> >> http://www.pbase.com/dlarson2/image/55664676
> >>
> >> I think I have some others stashed away somewhere. I tried the
> >> Kromagery action without any success.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions for editing processes would be appreciated.
> >>
> >> Don
> >>
> >
> >
>
My personal suggestion would be; since you tried auto WB and on a grey card, try
to set a WB on the grass, follow your manual for your specific way to do, it may
bring you back in the expected range. Also keep the setting even if camera is
not givin you the proper light temp, it should bring you close enough.
Personally I never had a lot of success with but a lot of photographer are
promoting it.

Luc.




Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:10 am

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For several years now I have had little luck creating false colour IR images. A fellow camera club member with an IR modified Nikon D70 is getting good results...
D Marcotte
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Jul 14, 2009
8:06 pm

that image is REALLY red. Have you tried creating a cusom WB in camera by shooting sunlit grass through your filter? also, Auto Color is not the same thing as...
Jim Kramer
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Jul 14, 2009
8:47 pm

Don - sorry about the confusion... I thought the link you posted was one of your images. It would be helpful if you could shoot a test RAW file, and e-mail it...
Jim Kramer
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Jul 14, 2009
8:51 pm

My images are always reddish. If I use an enhanced colour filter similar to what Life Pixel installs (a Wratten 70 in my case), it is very red. If I use an...
D Marcotte
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Jul 14, 2009
9:08 pm

that works - send me the link, and I'll D/L. You didn't answer the question regarding a custom WB - have you tried that? -Jim Check Out My Infrared Galleries! ...
Jim Kramer
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Jul 14, 2009
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... Last question first. I have used custom WBs. I created them using a gray card and got a B+W image. I am not sure how that helps with false colour unless I...
D Marcotte
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Jul 14, 2009
10:29 pm

you do not want to use a gray card to create a custom white balance. Normally you would shoot a custom white balance on a white object. However, with infrared,...
Jim Kramer
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Jul 14, 2009
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I'm downloading now - but I'm only getting 56kbp/S throughput - so it's going to take a while! -Jim Check Out My Infrared Galleries! ...
Jim Kramer
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Jul 14, 2009
11:31 pm

I forgot to answer your question - if you are shooting Canon equipment, you should be able to create a custom WB in the camera. If you tell me what camera...
Jim Kramer
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Jul 14, 2009
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Don - are you using a picture style or something (like for instance "B&W")? The W70 RAW file is in B&W. My understanding is that a W70 filter has a cutoff of...
Jim Kramer
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Jul 14, 2009
11:36 pm

Sorry. I shot those images with monochrome picture style. However I do all of my editing in PhotoShop. ACR ignores picture style and reads the RAW file and...
D Marcotte
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Jul 15, 2009
2:58 am

R72 file looks exactly the same - no color. -Jim Check Out My Infrared Galleries! <http://www.pbase.com/jwkramer61/infrared_galleries> ... [Non-text portions...
Jim Kramer
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Jul 14, 2009
11:38 pm

maybe this will help a little: if you are NOT shooting with a custom WB, and using a R72 (720nm) filter on a CONVERTED camera, your RAW file should look...
Jim Kramer
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Jul 14, 2009
11:48 pm

... I hope you don't mind, but I've processed these and put up a temporary gallery at http://khromagery.com.au/samples/marcotte1 Jim mentioned the RAW files...
David Burren
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Jul 15, 2009
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I figured that out... I had to update my Adobe Camera Raw so I could open them directly in Photoshop. -Jim Check Out My Infrared Galleries! ...
Jim Kramer
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Jul 15, 2009
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OK, first of all I don't mind you processing them. It is helpful to see what can be done. I tried your False Colours action with the original images and that ...
D Marcotte
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Jul 15, 2009
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... Yup. Just setting a semi-decent WB to separate some of the colours will let the action do its job. ... Well, actually in both cases you should use...
David Burren
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... Photo Life, a Canadian photographic magazine. Oops - I just remembered it was Peter Burren. I will test both a green grass and a gray card today while...
D Marcotte
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Hi Don, I don't know if this answers your question or not but to do custom WB for IR I take it on the green grass. Every digital DSLR might have a slightly...
terri pakula
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Jul 15, 2009
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... I will try it out today. The sun is shining brightly and I am heading off to a park set in forested mountains about 25 miles away. It has a large lake and...
D Marcotte
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Jul 15, 2009
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ok... I finally got around the "B&W Picture Style" you had set (thanks David)... I set a custom WB after the fact using Breeze Browser Pro, so these images are...
Jim Kramer
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Jul 15, 2009
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Thanks Jim. I appreciate your help. I will try what you suggest and also do some messing around myself. It is a lousy time of year for astro imaging anyway...
D Marcotte
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Jul 15, 2009
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Have you tried adding a Curves layer then clicking the "Auto" button? I found that took much of the color cast off the IR image and then Auto Color would...
audiotweak
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Jul 14, 2009
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... No I haven't. I normally convert to B+W and only lately have tried false colour IR. There are many ways to remove a colour cast including plain old...
D Marcotte
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Jul 14, 2009
10:38 pm

... My personal suggestion would be; since you tried auto WB and on a grey card, try to set a WB on the grass, follow your manual for your specific way to do,...
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Jul 15, 2009
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Did you try using Auto Levels? It seems to create a bit of color separating for your particular jpg. Lars ... -- Regards, Lars Michael -- ...
Lars Michael
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Jul 15, 2009
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I have looked at his RAW files. They are monochrome. All the post processing tricks in the world can't produce false color from a mono RAW file... I suspect he...
Jim Kramer
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