Anyone else in the group actively using the 5.1 release for
production work?

I'm curious as to others thoughts on some of the 5.1 changes. In
particular the way that the name of the library a geom came from is
now incorporated into the geometry name.

             comp("L1002", "1005_8p_CHIP_ARRAY", @placed, 5.625, 6.0,
0, @top)

in the pdb now becomes:

             comp("L1002", "<internal>:1005_8p_CHIP_ARRAY", @placed,
5.625, 6.0, 0, @top)

Instead of adding an attribute to the design they put the name of the
library in the geom name, just like when the height property was
augmented with the gap height information to become:

                 prop("COMPONENT_HEIGHT", "0.6,0.0")
when it should have been done like this:
                 prop("COMPONENT_HEIGHT", "0.6")
                 prop("GAP_HEIGHT", "0.0")

Here's my basic beef (beyond the fact that a augmenting other data
onto a property or field violates database integrity) is that the
impact affects most everything everything:

1) the library name appears before the geoms name in the GUI so it
makes it difficult to read the real meaningful name of your geom as
it is usually to long to fit in the display now.
2) Perl commands that used to return the component geometry name now
include the library in the name which screws up any and all perl
scripts you may have dealing with opening and closing geometries or
reporting geoms information to a file.
3) Schematics driving pantheon from a non-mozaic/Indx path are now
royally messed up because the schematic that says "SOIC_8P" needs to
say "<internal>:SOIC_8P" instead.

Anyone else finding this a pain in the backside?

Greg

Thanks Greg

--- greg_dance <greg_dance@...> wrote:

>
> Often times there is a need to keepout ground fill
> on one or more layers
> from under an SMT pad or a microstrip line.
>
> I uploaded to the group's web page a perl script
> called
> Object2NetKeepout.pl to do this automatically. It
> can be found here:
>
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PantheonUsers/files/
>
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PantheonUsers/files/>
>
> All you have to do is select some primitive objects
> that represent the
> area you want to stay clear of. Then run the perl
> script by either the
> menu or a newly programmed function key to get the
> dialog box to open.
> Specify the layers you want the keepout on, which
> nets to keepout, and
> how far away from the selected objects you want the
> nets to stay. Then
> execute the dialog box.
> The program works with multiple areas selected at
> the same time as well.
> This added to your function.generic file will give
> you a function key in
> Pantheon each time you startup.   def f k generic
> F9C 'Obj2Keepout'
> -display -no_trans
> def f k generic F9C 'EXEcute Perl "c:\Perl
> Utilities/Object2NetKeepout.pl'' ''C:\Program
> Files\intercept/pantheon''
> ' -function -no_trans
> def f k generic F9C 'EXEcute Perl ''c:\Perl
> Utilities/Object2NetKeepout.pl' ''C:\Program
> Files\intercept/pantheon''
> ' -execute -no_trans Questions?Comments? Greg
>







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Often times there is a need to keepout ground fill on one or more layers from under an SMT pad or a microstrip line.

I uploaded to the group's web page a perl script called Object2NetKeepout.pl to do this automatically. It can be found here: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PantheonUsers/files/

All you have to do is select some primitive objects that represent the area you want to stay clear of. Then run the perl script by either the menu or a newly programmed function key to get the dialog box to open. Specify the layers you want the keepout on, which nets to keepout, and how far away from the selected objects you want the nets to stay. Then execute the dialog box.

Often times there is a need to keepout ground fill on one or more layers from under an SMT pad or a microstrip line.

I uploaded to the group's web page a perl script called Object2NetKeepout.pl to do this automatically. It can be found here: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PantheonUsers/files/

All you have to do is select some primitive objects that represent the area you want to stay clear of. Then run the perl script by either the menu or a newly programmed function key to get the dialog box to open. Specify the layers you want the keepout on, which nets to keepout, and how far away from the selected objects you want the nets to stay. Then execute the dialog box.

As a test, I loaded Mozaix 3.0 and tried to run a
Mozaix 2.2 script. As you pointed out, Greg, the core
perl looks like it is behaving OK but the front-end
dialogs all break.

Reading the xscript clearly shows 3.0 now requires the
WxPerl lib instead of the 2.2 Mozaix lib, which means
the dialogs would have to be recoded.

I use WxPerl (alongside TK) for my personal use and so
far I'm not entirely sold on WxPerl or WxWidgets.
Maybe I will get a little more confidence with that
library  after using it in the new look of Mozaix and
hopefully soon, Pantheon.

George

--- Greg Dance <greg_dance@...> wrote:


---------------------------------


I wouldn't think much would break except if you are
creating dialog boxes for your perl scripts.

Greg



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From: George Helm <awkster@...>
Reply-To: PantheonUsers@yahoogroups.com
To: PantheonUsers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PantheonUsers] Searchable PDF
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 09:04:44 -0800 (PST)


Thank you -- quite interesting.

If/when they change Pantheon to the Mozaix look
(WxWidgets?) that probably means that all the existing
PerlWare customization will break and have to be
re-coded with their new API. More fun.

Thanks again.

--- Greg Dance <greg_dance@...> wrote:

---------------------------------


I actually went though this with Intecept about 1
month ago.

The official word is that, while some applications
output text using fonts in postscript so that a font
substitution can be done, Pantheon does not. It
outputs stroked/rasterized data from the beginning.

No searchable text will be possible until there is a
major overhaul of the interface (and they stop using
the old boardstation fonts.) Though it is planned to
give the application an overhaul to have a GUI similar
to Mosaix, it isn't going to be next week.

Greg

---------------------------------
From: "George" <awkster@...>
Reply-To: PantheonUsers@yahoogroups.com
To: PantheonUsers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PantheonUsers] Searchable PDF
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 19:56:09 -0000

When I create my PDF sheets (Schematic, Assy, Fab) I
need to have the
text seen as real text and searchable -- not part of
one large image
which is the normal result.

If I recall correctly, to accomplish this, the fonts
need to be
swapped out. Does anyone have the blow-by-blow for
that procedure?

Thanks, George

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Thank you -- quite interesting.

If/when they change Pantheon to the Mozaix look
(WxWidgets?) that probably means that all the existing
PerlWare customization will break and have to be
re-coded with their new API. More fun.

Thanks again.

--- Greg Dance <greg_dance@...> wrote:


---------------------------------


I actually went though this with Intecept about 1
month ago.


The official word is that, while some applications
output text using fonts in postscript so that a font
substitution can be done, Pantheon does not. It
outputs stroked/rasterized data from the beginning.

No searchable text will be possible until there is a
major overhaul of the interface (and they stop using
the old boardstation fonts.) Though it is planned to
give the application an overhaul to have a GUI similar
to Mosaix, it isn't going to be next week.

Greg


---------------------------------
From: "George" <awkster@...>
Reply-To: PantheonUsers@yahoogroups.com
To: PantheonUsers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PantheonUsers] Searchable PDF
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 19:56:09 -0000


When I create my PDF sheets (Schematic, Assy, Fab) I
need to have the
text seen as real text and searchable -- not part of
one large image
which is the normal result.

If I recall correctly, to accomplish this, the fonts
need to be
swapped out. Does anyone have the blow-by-blow for
that procedure?

Thanks, George









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When I create my PDF sheets (Schematic, Assy, Fab) I need to have the
text seen as real text and searchable -- not part of one large image
which is the normal result.

If I recall correctly, to accomplish this, the fonts need to be
swapped out. Does anyone have the blow-by-blow for that procedure?

Thanks, George

Thanks Greg

George

--- Greg Dance <greg_dance@...> wrote:


---------------------------------


Not yet. The Expedition to Pantheon product is
available from Intercept, but I haven't tried it. I
was told the bidirectional translator is work in
progress but no timeline. Don't know of anything on
the front end as far as tranlation goes.

We have one customer we exchanged a database with.
They use expedition and we are going back and forth
with them using BoardStation format as the stepping
stone. It isn't a very good method since so many
features of Pantheon have no equivalent in BS. Much of
the intelligence goes away... dynamic padstacks, auto
vias, etc.

Greg



---------------------------------
From: "George" <awkster@...>
Reply-To: PantheonUsers@yahoogroups.com
To: PantheonUsers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PantheonUsers] Pantheon <--> Expedition
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 16:33:03 -0000


Does anyone know if there is a translator (preferrably
round trip) for
Pantheon to Expedition and/or DxDesigner to Mozaix.

Thanks

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Does anyone know if there is a translator (preferrably round trip) for
Pantheon to Expedition and/or DxDesigner to Mozaix.

Thanks

George

Hello Group,
I'm in the process of purchasing new PCB software and I was hoping
that this group would take a few moments and give me info on Pantheons
strengths and weaknesses in comparisions with let say, Pads & Orcad.
Thanks
Tom

I'm running 5.0_08N (5.0_08O is available) and it
appears to be very stable, albeit I haven'r really
stressed it beyond basic, everyday chores.

Sounds like ITI support has been Mentorized.

George


--- greg_dance <greg_dance@...> wrote:

> Anybody else running this release? I'm finding more
> problems with it
> than prior releases and it is supposed to be the
> production release
> and the last 5.0 release.
>
> Here's a few items I have found:
> 1) Guides of a very short length or zero length but
> spanning layers
> (a z axis guide) are not completed using connect
> traces like they
> normally would.
>
> 2) Some areafills simply will not create their
> secondary fill areas.
> I've even redrawn them. When you draw them the first
> time they look
> right but if you reconstruct it the secondary fill
> goes away even if
> you did nothing in between those two steps.
>
> 3)Sometimes I select vertices of a net keepout to
> move it over one
> way or the other. Now occasionally one wont move
> over and you can't
> even select it. The only way to select the vertex is
> to set the
> select filter to attribute, select the keepout,
> unselect it, set the
> select filter back to vertex and then grab the
> vertex and move it.
>
> 4) Some objects are visible at one zoom level and if
> you zoom in they
> dissappear. That should happen as you zoom out and
> the number of
> pixels on your screen don't offer fine enough
> resolution but if you
> zoom in you should have more pixels and see things
> fine...
>
> That's just a few of mine. BTW, is anyone getting
> any sort of
> response from the support email address? I've sent
> off several in the
> last week or two and gotten no response via email or
> phone.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
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Anybody else running this release? I'm finding more problems with it
than prior releases and it is supposed to be the production release
and the last 5.0 release.

Here's a few items I have found:
1) Guides of a very short length or zero length but spanning layers
(a z axis guide) are not completed using connect traces like they
normally would.

2) Some areafills simply will not create their secondary fill areas.
I've even redrawn them. When you draw them the first time they look
right but if you reconstruct it the secondary fill goes away even if
you did nothing in between those two steps.

3)Sometimes I select vertices of a net keepout to move it over one
way or the other. Now occasionally one wont move over and you can't
even select it. The only way to select the vertex is to set the
select filter to attribute, select the keepout, unselect it, set the
select filter back to vertex and then grab the vertex and move it.

4) Some objects are visible at one zoom level and if you zoom in they
dissappear. That should happen as you zoom out and the number of
pixels on your screen don't offer fine enough resolution but if you
zoom in you should have more pixels and see things fine...

That's just a few of mine. BTW, is anyone getting any sort of
response from the support email address? I've sent off several in the
last week or two and gotten no response via email or phone.

Greg

--- In PantheonUsers@yahoogroups.com, "George" <awkster@...> wrote:
>
> --- In PantheonUsers@yahoogroups.com, "chuckhurst" <chuck_hurst@>
> wrote:
> >
> > As you will find very quickly for those of you who create Perl
routines
> > that the latest version has changed the Perl Command strings in
many of
> > the calls. Yuk! Maintaining multipule versions is a royal pain.
> >
> > On the good side, 5.1 has some cool features that I believe will
help
> > make reuse a common process going foreward.
> >
>
> Thanks for the heads-up Chuck. Do you know if anyone has compiled a
> list of differences yet?
>
I did complile a list, I don't know if I can put it in the Files draw.
Contact me and I can E-mail it to anyone who wants it.

Chuck

--- In PantheonUsers@yahoogroups.com, "chuckhurst" <chuck_hurst@...>
wrote:
>
> As you will find very quickly for those of you who create Perl routines
> that the latest version has changed the Perl Command strings in many of
> the calls. Yuk! Maintaining multipule versions is a royal pain.
>
> On the good side, 5.1 has some cool features that I believe will help
> make reuse a common process going foreward.
>

Thanks for the heads-up Chuck. Do you know if anyone has compiled a
list of differences yet?

As you will find very quickly for those of you who create Perl routines
that the latest version has changed the Perl Command strings in many of
the calls. Yuk! Maintaining multipule versions is a royal pain.

On the good side, 5.1 has some cool features that I believe will help
make reuse a common process going foreward.

Question 1)
===========

Page 84 of the Mozaix (2.2) perl manual states the 2nd
argument to
this call can be either 'instance' or 'component'.

Instance works fine while component appears to fail as
shown below:

my $selectedCount =
Mozaix::get_select_count("selected", "instance");
Mozaix::output__note( "Selected count: $selectedCount"
);

returns ...
#   Selected count: 7

my $selectedCount =
Mozaix::get_select_count("selected", "component");
Mozaix::output__note( "Selected count: $selectedCount"
);

returns ...
#   Selected count: 0

Although I found a way around this ... an explanation
would be appreciated.


Question 2)
===========

While running a Mozaix (2.2) perl script, the calls to
...

Mozaix::output__note("whatever");

do not produce any data in the transcript until the
program finishes
which is directly contrary to the behaviour in
Pantheon where the data
is spashed out when the call is made.

Anyway, is there a transcript setting I should know
about?

Or is there some buffering going on and if yes, is
there a way to turn on
autoflushing to make the stdout filehandle hot?

Or something else?

Any ideas on either of these questions will be
appreciated.

Thanks

George

Anyone interested in a job opportunity?

This is a full-tim, direct hire position in Phoenix using Pantheon and
Mozaix.

Email me off-line for details.

awkster@... -or- DukeOfPerl@...

George

DISCLAIMER: I'm only the messenger.

I will pass your email to my friend in San Diego -- if
that's OK.

Also, I have access to Pantheon/Mozaix at home so if
you have some small stuff that can be done at home, I
would consider helping you out. Yes, I still know how
to do it ... LOL.

I'm currently writing perl scripts for Hypercom for a
few weeks (so much for retirement) and will be
finishing that project next week or the week after. I
would be available to help out in let's say 2 weeks.

And I apologize for my gender remark. Sometimes I tend
to forget not everyone knows me and understands my
sense of humor.

George














--- Greg Dance <greg_dance@...> wrote:


---------------------------------


It will mostly be dependant on the person we can find.
Ideally, it would be standard work hours doing
relatively easier boards for our lab. The purpose
being to take some load off the full time guys so they
can stay on the main projects.

BTW, I tend to write like I speak and pronoucing
"(s)he" is beyond me and "they" always seems to denote
more than one to me and I only want one, whereas "it"
denotes one but seems so imprersonal.... ;)

Greg






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From: "George" <awkster@...>
Reply-To: PantheonUsers@yahoogroups.com
To: PantheonUsers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PantheonUsers] Re: Contractors?
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:31:09 -0000



--- In PantheonUsers@yahoogroups.com, "greg_dance"
<greg_dance@...>
wrote:
>
> Anyone know of a contractor who is experienced on
Pantheon? Even
> better if he were in Southern California.
>
> Greg
>

YES -- but if you want me to contact that person, I
would need a
little more information about what's going down.

BTW: your post should have read (s)he ... :)

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--- In PantheonUsers@yahoogroups.com, "greg_dance" <greg_dance@...>
wrote:
>
> Anyone know of a contractor who is experienced on Pantheon? Even
> better if he were in Southern California.
>
> Greg
>

YES -- but if you want me to contact that person, I would need a
little more information about what's going down.

BTW: your post should have read (s)he ... :)

George

Anyone know of a contractor who is experienced on Pantheon? Even
better if he were in Southern California.

Greg

Anyone else tried the 5.1 release? I spent the morning trying out the
routing features such as guide route and multi-route. It seems OK for
a beta/engineering release, but the new stuff has a lot of rough edges
that would keep it from being used in production for me.

Greg

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
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