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Please don't reject my viewpoint. It's true in that I believe it.
Tomorrow I may have to recant. I try to do like my subconscious seems to
do. I start from scratch at a new question and see if the facts lead me
back or somewhere else. In what I say, take the best, leave the rest. I
see the problem like this. Everyone is in a different place. I don't
know where that is. To reach someone you have to go where they are. So I
can't reach everyone or can I. I'll try.

Wherever you are today people are finding a commonality in their
humanity. What I would like to do is reach everyone and bring them
together enough so we can all help each other. Each person, as they
develop their intuition gets to everything. One of the most important
things they get to is thinking ability to find their way out of whatever
situation it is they're in. Substitute intuition for finding their self,
finding God, their higher power, the Oracle or being totally objective
and scientific, as it seems to you. Many things lead you to liberation
and ultimately to God because he speaks all languages and to all the
places you are in. But the word God turns some off.

Here's a connection I see for athiests. Ayn Rand was an atheist. She
founded Objectivism which is objective thinking. Science uses objective
thinking to observe nature. We can do that to observe the Bible, people,
situations and all get to a similar realization when we see things as
they are instead of how we think, feel or would like them to be. That's
common ground. I find that the subconscious is more objective than we
may ever be able to be or maybe we will, if we just observe life with
only descriptive words. With descriptive words we're in tune with
reality, because descriptive words describe how things really are. Like
an artist. He learns his trade/skill first by observing what he is
painting/drawing in the minutest detail and copying it. The scientist
breaks the matter he studies down into it's microscopic details. We can
observe people and situations in detail with descriptive words rather
than judgmental ones. This brings everyone together enough to look
further into the way for us. That's how a scientist can get to the place
where he might be able to see God.

How can the Christian (substitute any religion here for the most part)
get together with the atheist or scientist above. The Bible teaches
"know the truth and the truth will set you free." "Try all things, hold
fast to what is fine." "All things are lawful, but not all things are
profitable." "Think no more of yourself than you have too, but think so
as to have a sound mind." Isn't not thinking of your own opinion/self
objectivity? "Love your enemies." Isn't that disregarding you thoughts
or feelings, but dedicating yourself to the truth? "I am the way ,the
truth and the life." "Follow me and you will have everlasting life."
Isn't that following the truth? That's what the bible says, no matter
how it's been characterized.

How about I Ching and the Oracle. The rules for questioning the Oracle
seem amazingly accurate as to how you might question your subconscious,
your intuition, God, you higher power, nature, the truth, our dilemma,
ourselves, our leaders and on and on. In short, God told everyone what
they could hear and by coming together we can begin to hear each other,
ourselves, nature, our higher power, the truth, how to be happy and
solve all the ills in the world. When someone calls and tells me they
have the wrong number, I'd like to say, we're all the right number,
don't lose it, call me again. That's the way it's becoming, that's the
way it is. Why not call everyone you know and especially those you don't
know and make friends with their reality first, then they will hear
yours.

Will we all end up in the Bible? I think so. We will be learning from
that for an eternity because it is that deep., yet some think that they
know what it says. Science in the future will be the study of the Bible
for the answer, but that's my view and another story. We have to start
where we are. I say be a good objectivist, God is totally objective and
it's not totally objective to leave out a possibility so important such
as God or even an impossibility, impossibilities are what science is all
about and God too. Be a good atheist and really believe in science, God
is the creator of science, he's at the end of that quest. Be a seeker of
truth. I went to all sorts of churches and didn't see that the people
where following what I heard the preacher say. I followed it and
rejected what didn't seem to work at that time, kept the rest. Later
some of it worked. Keep the best, leave the rest. It's like God, among
other things, he intended and will get, intended for us to sort of need
each other. We could find out things for ourselves, but everyone seems
to have an awful lot of the pieces to the puzzle. All of us seem to be
very much valuable and should be loved by everyone else. Everyone has
some of God's spirit of they would be dead. So in offending another we
may be offending the Spirit. Not cool, cold. That's what I see. I see a
movement to see each other and I want to be in on it. Take me to your
leader.

I kind of wanted an angel or alien to come get me and take me to their
world of peace, joy, eternal life, and safety. Now I know that I
wouldn't get those things anywhere because of my dogma, never mind
anyone else's. Can we talk?

"The last enemy is death." Most dogma may be the the death. The death
of most of us one way or another.







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