Dearest (((((((((((((((((Jack & Everyone))))))))))))))))),

I too have seen this coming for years. Russia used to speak of the decadent West
and in absolute truth, so it is. The ways of the West have led to total
fracturing of
society and in turn, fracturing of Mother Earth. The almighty me me me, is all
that exists.
While a hand full speak of the Oneness of all being, the greater mass are
totally obsessed with the self and those
obsessed with the self find it impossible to share with the other. In the West
the greater
majority of relationships are based upon a value system, associations formed as
social
investments/contracts, as in there must be something in this for me. While many
in the West
speak of spirituality, it is just that, it is empty talk. They may talk, but do
not walk in
the spirit and when times get tough, the majority of relationships crumble.

As i have proclaimed many times, i love God with every ounce of my being and
each
and every day i am very mindful of not just speaking, but of walking in spirit.
However,
as i wrote to a very dear friend, "Unfortunately, i am not one of those who see
humanity
transcending to the next level of consciousness, believing that somehow humanity
will collectively
become fully enlightened. There is great evil in the world, the world is
governed by the greedy and self-centred
as it has been throughout the entire history of mankind and sorry to say, it
ain't gonna change."

I have spoken recently about a passion to work with the terminally ill, to do
counselling.
Yesterday i spoke to a woman at the University, who suggested that given all my
qualifications,
i should wait until 2010 and do a post-graduate Masters in Social Work, rather
than a 4 year
under-grad degree. Rather than waste a full year, I then thought perhaps i could
do pastoral care,
which would also allow me to give counsel to the terminally ill.

I have just recently re-connected with the Catholic Church and Father's
off-sider had come to visit me.
While visiting she said she had worked in pastoral care at the hospital so i
telephoned her about studying
to do pastoral care. There is a 1 year course, just one day a week, gees this is
nothing compared to university
study, BUT GUESS WHAT.......... it is not about university qualifications, vast
experience in the field or one's
absolute love of God. It is about who u know and who knows u, your membership in
a social contract,
as u can only get in to do the 1 year course if a parish (any religion) puts u
up for nomination.
U see it is NOT about the will of God and the servants dedication, it is about a
collective of me, me, me's
who consider u to be one of them and without their nomination, u don't get in.

God gave human Beings "free will" and human beings have well and truly stuffed
it up and given as
humans have free will God will NOT bail humans out of the shit they have
created. U could well say,
"Oh the Elite, the Greedy have been the evil one's whom have caused this", BUT
collectively u have
voted or not voted and have therefore through your own laziness, allowed
yourselves to become the
so called victim. Collectively there is power absolute, together we stand,
divided we fall, but obsessed
with the self and groups of selves, neither the self or groups can stand
together, as there is ALWAYS
some one or some group in opposition.

Human History is soon to come to an end. Humanity again failed to get it right,
but don't worry we
will allow u to do it all again, such is the profound love of God. Hopefully,
next time, humanity will
do better.

Love & Massive Hugs Always
Elaine


Sheila:

Very good point. This group is about knowing what to expect during these
times, and personally I've been waiting for this financial meltdown for five
years. The shoe has finally dropped.

Whether the bailout succeeds or not is immaterial, the entire system is
self-destructing, as a direct result of greed. The entire way of life, and the
philosophy of life that it has rested on, is disintegrating before our eyes.

As we are all members of this esteemed group and pay attention to prophecy and
similar signs, we perhaps might take the events of the past week as a clear
warning sign that we are deep into rough times, and they will only worsen.

Permaculture, new forms of community and human interaction are what we need
now. Basic survival.

Whether the bailout saves Wall St. for a few extra weeks matters little, that
amounts to arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

It's more important to secure a place in a lifeboat that will survive the
rough journey ahead.

Regards,

Jack



--- On Mon, 9/29/08, sheilabirdsall@... <sheilabirdsall@...> wrote:
From: sheilabirdsall@... <sheilabirdsall@...>
Subject: Re: [phoenix-quest] The Debate in a Nutshell
To: phoenix-quest@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 6:48 AM

Dear All

Hey friends we all KNEW there were rough times coming. We've discussed it
here for the last 2 years or more. We discussed how to prepare for them. Be
ready so you don't have to get ready. Disasters worse than this are inevitable.
Believe me! When I wrote about the weather here, and heard from others
elsewhere, its confirmation that we need to start thinking independent thoughts.
NO GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO BAIL US FOR ANY REASON.

Its scary as hell but lets all put on our adult panties and think carefully
about how to go forward without a PERSONAL govt bail out. Get food in the
house. Think about a water supply location. Can you survive within your
community? Have you checked with friends and neighbors close to you? This is
not scare mongering or projecting fear into the future!! It's common sense and
it's hear and NOW!

My mother lived through the last recession and her desire to store food shows
it. This is not where we will starve or die, it will be uncomfortable for some
but drive your head and energy into how you PERSONALLY will manage. Use every
worried thought to make a positive move and decision forward. We don't have
enough energy to do both, nor need.

Stop worrying the global agenda. Quite clearly, weather, govt and banking are
well outside our purview of influence. Get your mind and body to work on what's
right at YOUR doorstep. That's where the real revolution is. Dise

ngage from the mainstream malarkey and make this time work for you! That will
do more to surprise the helll out of them and preserve you than all the voting,
bitching and email you can generate.

Be Well and Happy

SHEILA

-----Original Message-----

From: ELLY <green.eagle@ virgin.net>

To: phoenix quest <phoenix-quest@ yahoogroups. com>; inspirit <inlighthardman@
frontiernet. net>

Sent: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 9:26 am

Subject: Re: [phoenix-quest] The Debate in a Nutshell

So what can we do - seriously now - what can your average Joe do?

lessings

lly

----- Original Message -----

From: inspirit

To: phoenix quest

Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 2:23 PM

Subject: Re: [phoenix-quest] The Debate in a Nutshell

Dirk, Banks will go bankrupt, people are loosing their savings and pensions

already. This bailout will not save us or you from a depression. It will

just prolong the inevitable. It will make the suffering worse when we do

finally hit bottom. This bailout is nothing put a new platform for the

bamkers to begin their ponzi scheme all over again. The Gov. Is broke, the

Fed is broke.

People over here have already LOST their confidence in the government and

the Banking elite Federal Reserve, banks of England etc etc. There is no

changing that, no matter what they do to try and fix it.

Other countries have figured out that we are also broke. China has quit

buying T-bills. Have you not read that already??

Being right all the time means nothing to me. Ther

e is reality and then

there is "being right" I guess that a perspective? Obama is a shill for

the Elite Puppet-masters, so is Mcinsane, so the One World Order agenda is

served by the puppet-masters no matter who is elected. So what's the

difference?? ?

inspirit

-------Original Message----- --

From: Dirk Chardet

Date: 09/29/08 03:37:52

To: inspirit

Cc: phoenix quest

Subject: Re: [phoenix-quest] The Debate in a Nutshell

Dear Annette,

If more banks go bankrupt, companies will go bankrupt , pension funds

will go bankrupt ; people will lose all their savings, be it is cash,

bonds, whatever.

Etc. it will be a downward spiral.

In order to have sound judgement about this issue, it is not necessary

to be on US-soil. If so, Sarah Palin would be right that being close

to the Russian border, gives insight in international matters. One

simply must be aware of all the consequences and know how interrelated

global economy and finance is.

The difference between Obama and McCain is huge, more than the debates

reveal.

As mentioned previously : if this problem is not solved we will find

ourselves in a situation far worse than during 1929 - 1933. The USA

will be effected worst because nobody will touch the USD anymore, nor

be willing to buy Treasury Bills/Bonds.

I am used to 99 to 1 - situations, so nothing new. The funny (or in

this situation maybe not funny) part is, that I was a

lways right. A

scientist from a Dutch university, with whom (he and the committee of

scientists he represented) I a had a very strong difference of opinion

on a certain issue, had the decency to state openly 15 years later :

'After all Chardet was right'.

Let's hope I am wrong this time.

DCH

On 9/28/08, inspirit <inlighthardman@ frontiernet. net> wrote:

> Dear Dirk, The bail out plan is a disaster in slow motion. I say let the

> FED and all their cronies R&R BURN IN HELL!

>

> I think sometimes you have no idea what you are talking about, because you

> are not here to know.

> I also think that whether it's Obomba or Mcinsane, there is not a plug

> nickle difference in either one.

> They have surrounded themselves with NEO-CON, COLD WAR, DERANGED ARROGANT

> DICKHEADS! We are faced with a choice of Socialism or Fascism. Neither

> of which I will be a part of. They are liars just like BOOOsh. Not of any

> import IMO, both just puppets on a string.

>

> If this bailout bill is passed their will be bloody revolution here!

While

> we fight it, you will watch from the sidelines. As far as "the people"

here

> you have no idea what you are saying.

>

> Although at some point I am sure it will effect the entire world. Which

> will include you. So be it! The FED and Elite bankers need a comeuppance

> which is long overdue!

>

> If there=2

0is evil in the world, they are It!! Whether we have a bail out

> package or not, we will see Depression not just here, but problems world

> wide, for how long depends on what kind of rip off the FED R&R Elite can

> pull off.

>

> inspirit

>

> -------Original Message----- --

>

> From: Dirk Chardet

> Date: 9/28/2008 11:46:40 AM

> To: inspirit

> Cc: phoenix quest

> Subject: Re: [phoenix-quest] The Debate in a Nutshell

>

> Nobody telling the TRUTH will ever be elected in the USA.

> Basically this means that the PEOPLE (sheeple) are the main problem.

> They don't want to hear any unpleasant truth.

>

> You have to talk about tax cuts, otherwise the sheeple will go elsewhere.

> Obama is not lying enough, but at least he is trying and give what

> people want to hear. Then : If you don't talk tough, you're "lacking

> leadership".

>

> EVERYBODY with the slightest understanding of finance and economics

> will be in favour of the 'bail out'.

>

> I hope Obama will make it ; that he will get a chance.

> 8 years of McCain/Palin, that's the REAL NIGHTMARE SCENARIO.

>

> Cheers,

> DCH

>

> "Obama/Biden vs McCain&Palin - two minds are better than none"

> лллллллллллллллллллллллллллллллллллллллл

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> On 9/27/08, inspirit <inlighthardman@ frontiernet. net> wrote:

>> Vote 3rd Party or not at all......

>> I did not watch the circus last night because I do not have stomach for

>> it

>> anymore, to watch the sick bloviated, blow hard, circus!! It is demented

>> how far we have fallen, when these kinds of candidates for the top

> position

>> in our government are literally shoved down our throats by the sieg heil

>> propaganda arm of Amerika.

>>

>> I'll take Lew's word for it. He's straight up!

>> The Debate in a Nutshell...

>> Posted September 27th, 2008 by LettenYouKnow

>> This is a short but very sweet synopsis of the debate!

>> http://www.lewrockw ell.co...

>> September 27, 2008

>> The Debate in a Nutshell

>> Posted by James Ostrowski at September 27, 2008 08:00 AM

>> McBama favors the Billionaire Bailout.

>> McBama won't say what programs have to be cut to pay for the Billionaire

>> Bailout.

>> McBama thinks "we should never hesitate to use military force."

>> McBama wants to escalate the other unwinnable "land war in Asia"

>> (Afghanistan) .

>> McBama is not sure about whether to start a third unwinnable land war in

>> Asia, against nuclear power Pakistan.

>> McBama would go to war against Iran for the sake of Israel if necessary.

> He=2

0

>> is not sure if he wants to talk with the Iranians before bombing them.

>> McBama thinks that Russia is the villain in Georgia.

>> And the winner of the debate is: Ron Paul, who said recently that there's

>> not a dime's worth of difference between the two parties.

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