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#1141 From: "p38fx" <p38fx@...>
Date: Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:52 pm
Subject: Your Own Personal RFID Firewall
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#1140 From: "p38fx" <p38fx@...>
Date: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:16 pm
Subject: Should Pi Day be reconsidered?
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Although it might just be me but I think Pi day is just plain wrong , my
reasoning is simple, first off they picked March 14th Pi day only because it's
3/14, IE 3.14,  the lousiest way one can find to associate time with Pi, the
math is not really math its junk math to start with. what I believe would have
made more sense in deciding what day is Pi day is to take a full year and devide
it into 4 sectors like it is here, 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Pi-unrolled-720.gif   January
1st would be the first line and the last line would be December 31st,
,then roll the circle within the sectors (the days), and this would be more
appropriate for the date it should land on atleast here on earth.
and for anyone wondering  what time Pi would be on that day one just needs to do
the same for a 24 hour period, and as that goes the hour etc.. ever decreasing
the time span .
OK, who's up to the challange of finding out the real date?
skype me, crazyhorse48

#1139 From: DonEMitchell <mitch@...>
Date: Sun Dec 13, 2009 2:51 pm
Subject: Re: Re: The dark-matter rumour mill
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Hi Mr. Bubb,

In Norway, it was pre-dawn.  A rocket trail into the morning sky would
be illuminated by the sunlight streaming overhead in the dark pre-dawn sky.

  From the "facts" spoken by an ABC reporter...

1) Russia had pre-announced that it WOULD be launching a test
intercontinental missile.
2) The spiral was seen during that announced window.
3) Russia DID announce that there was a rocket failure.
4) The ABC reporter stated these facts... then ended saying that the
mystery continues (for those that are really wanting to believe what
they want to believe).

You will find everything I've been able to find on the Norway sky spiral
here...

http://portal.groupkos.com/index.php?title=Atmospheric_Effects

I know a rocket scientist and was glad to find a youtube.com video he
posted of a spiral created by ejecta from a tumbling rocket.

I want you all to know that I am searching for answers, and clues, and
snippets of fact that will support dark energy theories, wormholes,
etc.  But, jumping to conclusions because something looks pretty bizarre
does not help separate one from the crackpots.

But wow the blue spiral was a thriller... but closer examination is
prudent on this sky event in Norway.

Regards,
DonEMitchell


Mr. Bubb wrote:
> It looks like a failed booster with a self-destruct taking place at the end. 
Ever shoot a pop-bottle rocket with a short stick?
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>> Check out the video of a supposed Russia rocket test that was seen over
Norway. ( http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749633/17075748 )
>> That is no vapor trail because it is self-luminous and the spiral is to
uniformed. I think some one is playing with Aether / Dark matter.
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#1138 From: "Mr. Bubb" <mr_bubb2002@...>
Date: Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:34 am
Subject: Re: The dark-matter rumour mill
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It looks like a failed booster with a self-destruct taking place at the end. 
Ever shoot a pop-bottle rocket with a short stick?
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--- In KeelyNet_Interact@yahoogroups.com, "michael.ronfeldt"
<michael.ronfeldt@...> wrote:
>
>
> Check out the video of a supposed Russia rocket test that was seen over
Norway. ( http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749633/17075748 )
> That is no vapor trail because it is self-luminous and the spiral is to
uniformed. I think some one is playing with Aether / Dark matter.
>

#1137 From: "michael.ronfeldt" <michael.ronfeldt@...>
Date: Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:49 pm
Subject: Re: The dark-matter rumour mill
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Check out the video of a supposed Russia rocket test that was seen over Norway.
( http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749633/17075748 )
That is no vapor trail because it is self-luminous and the spiral is to
uniformed. I think some one is playing with Aether / Dark matter.



--- In KeelyNet_Interact@yahoogroups.com, "Vigilius Haufniensis"
<thehatefulnerd@...> wrote:
>
> This doesn't really suggest that dark matter "has been detected," merely that
"weakly interacting massive particles" may have been detected, which in turn
"might" manifest as dark matter.
>
>
> http://physicsworld.com/blog/2009/12/the_dark_matter_rumour_mill.html
> The dark-matter rumour mill
>
> Any WIMPs in here?
> By Michael Banks
>
> You shouldn't believe everything you read in the blogs (except this one of
course).
>
> Yesterday, the rumour mill was in overdrive as the Resonaances blog said a
paper was due to be released a week on Friday in the journal Nature about a
possible detection of dark matter.
>
> What constitutes dark matter, which is thought to make up around 90% of the
material in the universe, is a hot topic of research these days with researchers
vying to be the first to provide direct evidence of it. If true, it would
perhaps be the discovery of the year.
>
> The new rumours are based on the latest results from the Cryogenic Dark Matter
Search (CDMS) located in the Soudan Underground Laboratory in Minnesota, which
is searching for weakly interacting massive particles or WIMPs - a prime
candidate for dark matter.
>
> We were a little suspicious of the rumours as Nature is published on Thursday
with embargos for news items about its papers on Wednesday evening at 6pm GMT.
However, the paper could have been an advanced online publication in Nature or
perhaps was due to be published in Science, which is published every Friday.
>
> The rumours were also backed by a series of talks being given by various
members of the CDMS team at labs such as CERN on 18 December - the same date as
the paper would be published.
>
> However, Leslie Sage, a senior editor at Nature, wrote to Resonaances saying
there was no such Nature paper and the rumours were unfounded.
>
> I contacted Priscilla Cushman from the CDMS collaboration and based at the
University of Minnesota, who confirmed to me that indeed they have not submitted
a paper to Nature.
>
> So why are they presenting the results at different labs on the same day?
"Since there is no major conference at this time in which to present them we are
coordinating our talks," Cushman told physicsworld.com.
>
> CDMS researchers will, however, be publishing an arXiv paper on the morning of
Friday 18 December about their latest results, so we will have to wait until
then.
>
> Cushman says the group were quite taken aback by the rumours going around. "It
is certainly an interesting social phenomena [sic]," says Cushman. But
ultimately it was "lots of smoke and not much fire".
>
>
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#1136 From: "Vigilius Haufniensis" <thehatefulnerd@...>
Date: Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:25 am
Subject: The dark-matter rumour mill
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This doesn't really suggest that dark matter "has been detected," merely that
"weakly interacting massive particles" may have been detected, which in turn
"might" manifest as dark matter.


http://physicsworld.com/blog/2009/12/the_dark_matter_rumour_mill.html
The dark-matter rumour mill

Any WIMPs in here?
By Michael Banks

You shouldn't believe everything you read in the blogs (except this one of
course).

Yesterday, the rumour mill was in overdrive as the Resonaances blog said a paper
was due to be released a week on Friday in the journal Nature about a possible
detection of dark matter.

What constitutes dark matter, which is thought to make up around 90% of the
material in the universe, is a hot topic of research these days with researchers
vying to be the first to provide direct evidence of it. If true, it would
perhaps be the discovery of the year.

The new rumours are based on the latest results from the Cryogenic Dark Matter
Search (CDMS) located in the Soudan Underground Laboratory in Minnesota, which
is searching for weakly interacting massive particles or WIMPs - a prime
candidate for dark matter.

We were a little suspicious of the rumours as Nature is published on Thursday
with embargos for news items about its papers on Wednesday evening at 6pm GMT.
However, the paper could have been an advanced online publication in Nature or
perhaps was due to be published in Science, which is published every Friday.

The rumours were also backed by a series of talks being given by various members
of the CDMS team at labs such as CERN on 18 December - the same date as the
paper would be published.

However, Leslie Sage, a senior editor at Nature, wrote to Resonaances saying
there was no such Nature paper and the rumours were unfounded.

I contacted Priscilla Cushman from the CDMS collaboration and based at the
University of Minnesota, who confirmed to me that indeed they have not submitted
a paper to Nature.

So why are they presenting the results at different labs on the same day? "Since
there is no major conference at this time in which to present them we are
coordinating our talks," Cushman told physicsworld.com.

CDMS researchers will, however, be publishing an arXiv paper on the morning of
Friday 18 December about their latest results, so we will have to wait until
then.

Cushman says the group were quite taken aback by the rumours going around. "It
is certainly an interesting social phenomena [sic]," says Cushman. But
ultimately it was "lots of smoke and not much fire".


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#1135 From: "torchlithill" <torchlithill@...>
Date: Tue Dec 8, 2009 5:12 pm
Subject: Re: keelynet suggestion
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I made up a quick page to describe what I mean,
although with this website I dont know how to make the articles title be the
link, if I had more time I would go ahead and just keep adding to it, but I
don't have the time for it.   http://keelynet.yolasite.com/
--- In KeelyNet_Interact@yahoogroups.com, "torchlithill" <torchlithill@...>
wrote:
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> trying to locate older articles on Keelynet can be exaustive even if the
search Keelynet is used, so I would like to make a suggestion.
> If a link could be put on the home page that has only the title of the article
and a direct link to it.
> I know I would be more inclined to read more of the archives.
>

#1134 From: "torchlithill" <torchlithill@...>
Date: Tue Dec 8, 2009 4:23 pm
Subject: keelynet suggestion
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trying to locate older articles on Keelynet can be exaustive even if the search
Keelynet is used, so I would like to make a suggestion.
If a link could be put on the home page that has only the title of the article
and a direct link to it.
I know I would be more inclined to read more of the archives.

#1133 From: Sylvain Pafumi <sylvainpafumi@...>
Date: Sun Dec 6, 2009 10:47 pm
Subject: Antoine Priore 's device against cancer
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5vnjz_antoine-priore-electronicien-cherch_tech

It will be easier for you to click on that link! (lol)

Cheers,

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#1132 From: Sylvain Pafumi <sylvainpafumi@...>
Date: Sun Dec 6, 2009 10:42 pm
Subject: Tr : [WilhelmReich-List] Antoine Priore and his famous device to "heal the cancer"
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----- Message transféré ----
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Envoyé le : Dim 6 Décembre 2009, 21 h 11 min 41 s
Objet : [WilhelmReich-List] Antoine Priore and his famous device to "heal the
cancer"

 
http://www.dailymot ion.com/video/ x5vnjz_antoine- priore-electroni cien-cherch_
tech

I have nothing else to offer now but that video in french.
The smarters of you will notice that Priore is talking of a "Faraday cage" in a
period of the DVD.
We all know what it does mean : an orgone accumulator, (and that's probably a
big part of his famous "secret")
Some months ago, I wrote to Pierre Lance, the speaker-author of "savants
maudits, chercheurs exclus" to tell him I might discover the Priore's "secret".
I was talking about the similarity of his device with the principe of the
reichian orgone indicator.
Pierre Lance answered me an enthousiast letter in which he told me that "of
course, he was enthousiast to know my explain", and I immediatly sent to him a
photocopy of "cancer biopathy" pages in which W.Reich was explaining his
experiment with the inductor.
Lance didn't even answered to me, and when I wrote to him again to know what he
was thinking about my orgone explaination, he just answered that he was just a
writer and not a scientist!
Probably that this extreme right wing member  didn't like the idea of a
discovering (orgone) made from the principes of the proletarian science of
ex-Sovietic Union (lol)...(it' s when Reich wanted to refute mendelian genetics
and aerian contamination that he discovered orgone energy in bions, proof the
spontaneous generation validity!)  






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#1131 From: Sylvain Pafumi <sylvainpafumi@...>
Date: Sun Dec 6, 2009 7:20 pm
Subject: Re : [orgonecritical] Re : AW: [WilhelmReich-List] Reichw, Lakhovsky, Rife, Priore
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Come down, Joel!Actually, we (almost) agree one to each other.
I only said, to summary, that Reich knew that it was a specific energy (life
energy he called orgone) which was active to heal patients, but he had not very
much time left to invent a device which could properly attract the right orgone
concentration to cure different kind of diseases. His orgone accumulors just
have given an idea what could do some devices more perfectionned, as could
be the first motorised cars of 1900 comparated with the next years ones
equiped of turbo motors.
On contrary, some empiric as Rife and Lakhovsky had invented
electro-magnetic devices which were sucessful to decrease cancer tumors. (I
never said they healed the cancer itself!cancer is the result of life system
decrease, as Reich said, and proved it in making reducing tumors without healing
the patient!) But, and I am O.K. with you, Rife, Lakhovsky (and some others
quoted by Pierre Lance in his book : "savants maudits, chercheurs exclus"(=
cursed scientists, excluded seerchers), didn't know anything about orgone
discovering, and thought it was the electro-magnetism current itself which has
something to do with the better of their patients in biopathies.
But, even if those scientists had no idea why their devices were effective, it
did not stop them to have a better control on orgone energy than the archaïc
accumulators of Reich, and even if they didn't know that it was orgone which was
active and not the electro-magnetism current. Why and how it was possible, if
they didn't know orgone energy existence ? Just because the orgone quantity
attracted by the adjusment of their own devices (in playing on
electro-magnetic frequencies,-not orgone frequencies which don't exist, I
agree) could be controled more easily than the one accumulated in a reichian
ORAC. Off course, they acted without knowing that just in watching the patients
reactions.
The only point I disagree with you is when you are saying that electro-magnetism
was "exciting" the orgone-energy inside the body of the patients. For myself,
referencing to the "orgone energy field indicator" described in details by Reich
in his "cancer biopathy",
I sincerly think that the Lakhovsky, Rife, (without forgetting Antoine Priore)
devices attracted directly the orgone in the atmosphere around, (as the
reichian indicator did) and the patients organisms benefited of this
orgone excedent, exactly as they could do inside an Orac, but may, in using
the right quantity that it was possible to get in playing on electro-magnetic
frequencies adjustments. 
Now, it's less useful to "verify" the effectivness of Lakhovsky and Rife's
devices (we yet know it has worked thanks the reichian indicator of orgone,
which was based on the same principes!) than experiment, and ameliorate the way
in which you could control the right orgone quantity to heal the patients,
exactly as Reich should have do if he was still alive, and as he has asked his
folllowers to do...
...and the empiric works of Lakhovsky, Rife, Priore and some other ones look to
me to be a good track!

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De : joel carlinsky <joelcarlinsky@...>
À : orgonecritical@yahoogroups.com
Envoyé le : Dim 6 Décembre 2009, 18 h 37 min 48 s
Objet : Re: [orgonecritical] Re : AW: [WilhelmReich-List] Reich, Lakhovsky,
Rife, Priore

 
HOLD IT! Please do not misquote me. I did not mean that I am convinced those
persons named did in fact cure anybody of aything. I have no way to know if they
did or not.

I only ment to say that IF they actually did have a beneficial effect on
patients with the electromagnetic treatment described, it was probably not a
direc effect of the electyromagntism as they thought it was, but an effect of
the electromagnetism exciting the natural orgone or the body into a more active
state, which in turn, would help the natural healing process of the body, which
are due to the orgone in the system.

I have read the popular books about Reife and Lakovsky. They did ot know there
is a biological energy in the body, or that all healing is due to that energy.
They both accepted the conventional, chemical-based theory of what life is, how
it works, and what causes illnesses and healing. They both tried to kill the
sick tisues and the invasive organisms that supposedly were makling them sick.
They did not have any concept of a unitary fuctioning of a body that cannot be
sick only in one part and the rest healthy. And they had no understanding of a
healing energy that the body contains and that could be stimulated into greater
activity by their electromagnetic stimulus.

So, if they did get good results, it was an accident. A by-product of their
unsuccessful attemts to kill sick cells and intruding micro-organisms. I have no
idea if they did get good results or not. I was only trying to explain, by the
orgone theory, how the good results might have been possible if they did.

Since it is now generations later that their work, it is impossible to check up
on their results. To know if their methods work or not, we would have to do
controlled double-blind experiments on a large group of subjects. Such research
projects are expensive. Since we already kow the theory they used is wrong, and
that the best way to look for a really effectie treatment is by doing research
on orgon energy instead, there is no point wasting time and money on
investigating electromagneti treatments.


--- On Sun, 12/6/09, Sylvain Pafumi <sylvainpafumi@ yahoo.com> wrote:


>From: Sylvain Pafumi <sylvainpafumi@ yahoo.com>
>Subject: [orgonecritical] Re : AW: [WilhelmReich- List] Reich, Lakhovsky, Rife,
Priore
>To: WilhelmReich- List@yahoogroups .de
>Cc: "sylvain pafumi" <orgonecritical@ yahoogroups. com>, OBRL-Quarterly-
owner@yahoogroup s.com
>Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 6:08 AM
>
>
> 
>Just call me Sylvain!...
>I have no other proof  of what I am saying that what I could read in some
books, and that seem has been confirmed by testimonies I did find on the net
(Joel Carlinski and others).
>One of the best books I have read is the french book : "Savants maudits,
chercheurs exclus" of Pierre Lance, where the author is talking about many
scientists the inventions of them couldn't be recognized because "the scientist
capitalist nomenclatura" .
>I don't agree with the political analysis of the author ( extreme right wing,
as many of those conspiracy theories supporters). I was just preoccupied about
the facts he was talking about, which ones were believable to me, confronted to
the reichian theories which have convinced me for a long time.
>
>All those "excluded" seerkers and "cursed" scientists were all working by
their own. They made big mistakes which stop their discoveries to be recognized
by the mainstream science. So, their inventions were called to be ignored or,
for the best, stagnant in the back-shops of the little business. The
political extreme right ring members are found of defending such individues,
because they are reactionnary and it's for them the proof of the no-efficience
of the "big capitalism" (they use to call jew!). They are not acting in the
sense of the progress but want to return to the passed middle age...
>
>All the best,
>
>Sylvain      
>
>
>
>
________________________________
De : Heiko Lassek <miezmaus@yahoo. de>
>À : WilhelmReich- List@yahoogroups .de
>Envoyé le : Dim 6 Décembre 2009, 9 h 05 min 51 s
>Objet : AW: [WilhelmReich- List] Reich, Lakhovsky, Rife, Priore
>
> 
>Ms. Pafumi,
>
>
>give me one PROOF that Rife and Lakhosky cured 10 cancer patients.
>(Priore I don t know)
>
>
>Sincersly, Heiko Lassek.
>
>--- Sylvain Pafumi <sylvainpafumi@ yahoo.com> schrieb am Sa, 5.12.2009:
>
>
>>Von: Sylvain Pafumi <sylvainpafumi@ yahoo.com>
>>Betreff: [WilhelmReich- List] Reich, Lakhovsky, Rife, Priore
>>An: "sylvain pafumi" <orgonecritical@ yahoogroups. com>, WilhelmReich-
List@yahoogroups .de, OBRL-Quarterly- owner@yahoogroup s.com
>>Datum: Samstag, 5. Dezember 2009, 21:07
>>
>>
>> 
>>Lakhovsky, Rife and the French Antoine Priore, had all found a way to fight
against cancer tumors.
>>They all used devices involving electro-magnetic fields and thought that it
was the latter which healed their patients.
>>But, all of us, orgonomists, know perfectly that electricity and magnetism are
ineffective on alive matter.
>>
>>So what happenned  ? In what an electric or electro-magnetic device was
useful to cure cancer ?
>>
>>Let us remember : in his book " the cancer biopathy", Reich was talking about
his orgone accumulators to concentrate orgone, but he has exposed another system
too. He used an electric field and made passed it in two metallic plates one
above the other one. On the superior plate, he stuck a wood piece on, in the
inferior one he stuck it under, and when he approached an argon tube between the
plates, or above or under, the tube got illuminated. When Reich placed the
argon tube on the superior plate but got off his hand away, the tube light went
out. the lumination reappeared only when he approached again his hand beside
the tube, and more he got closer, more the lumination became stronger.
>>
>>That Reich experiment proved :
>>                                       \
               1] that the argon lumination had nothing to do with
the electricity field, but everything with the orgone field attracted by the
device (that Reich called "orgone field indicator)
>>                                       \
               2] but also that if an electric (or
electro-magnetic field) is ineffective to influence a living body, it is
effective to attract an orgone field around which, it, is effective to do it,
and probably very much more than a simple orgone accumulator, because one can
influence the right electric field to get the right orgone accumulation.
>>
>>Conclusion : Lakhovsky, Rife, and Priore have probably invent effective
devices to heal the cancer tumors, but they didn't why their devices were
effective, and because they didn't know the existence of orgone, all believed
that electricity and electro-magnetism was involved in those recoveries.
>>
>>So, I disagree with Joel when he said that Lakhovsky and Rife's devices
stimulated the life energy inside the body.
>>Actually, they do a little bit more : they attract the right orgone
concentration which makes reduce and sometimes completly get ride of the cancer
tumors. (I said cancer tumors, and not the cancer itself, which, as Reich
has proved it, is a biopathy involving the complete vital system) 
>>Antoine Priore has been even succesfull to increase the size of mice and rates
tumor cancers. He probably had created around a concentrated orgone field
which went beyound the mice one (in adjusting the electric frequency). So, as a
superior orgone field is pumping the organism one, it made it weaker, and the
tumors stonger (and bigger).
>>
>>What we, orgonomists, have to do now, is to explain the common  functionment
principe of all those electro-magnetic devices to the scientists who didn't
understand (as their authors themselves!) why the Lakhovsky, Rife, and Priore's
devices were effective in cancer tumors regress, and so, make admit once for
ever the Reich's discovery of orgone energy.
>>
>>Good luck,
>>
>>Sylvain
>>
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#1130 From: Sylvain Pafumi <sylvainpafumi@...>
Date: Sun Dec 6, 2009 1:19 pm
Subject: Tr : Re : AW: [WilhelmReich-List] Reich, Lakhovsky, Rife, Priore
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From my correspondance to reichian lists....



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Just call me Sylvain!...
I have no other proof  of what I am saying that what I could read in some
books, and that seem has been confirmed by testimonies I did find on the net
(Joel Carlinski and others).
One of the best books I have read is the french book : "Savants maudits,
chercheurs exclus" of Pierre Lance, where the author is talking about many
scientists the inventions of them couldn't be recognized because "the scientist
capitalist nomenclatura".
I don't agree with the political analysis of the author ( extreme right wing,
as many of those conspiracy theories supporters). I was just preoccupied about
the facts he was talking about, which ones were believable to me, confronted to
the reichian theories which have convinced me for a long time.

All those "excluded" seerkers and "cursed" scientists were all working by
their own. They made big mistakes which stop their discoveries to be recognized
by the mainstream science. So, their inventions were called to be ignored or,
for the best, stagnant in the back-shops of the little business. The
political extreme right ring members are found of defending such individues,
because they are reactionnary and it's for them the proof of the no-efficience
of the "big capitalism" (they use to call jew!). They are not acting in the
sense of the progress but want to return to the passed middle age...

All the best,

Sylvain      




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À : WilhelmReich-List@...
Envoyé le : Dim 6 Décembre 2009, 9 h 05 min 51 s
Objet : AW: [WilhelmReich-List] Reich, Lakhovsky, Rife, Priore

 
Ms. Pafumi,

give me one PROOF that Rife and Lakhosky cured 10 cancer patients.
(Priore I don t know)

Sincersly, Heiko Lassek.

--- Sylvain Pafumi <sylvainpafumi@ yahoo.com> schrieb am Sa, 5.12.2009:


>Von: Sylvain Pafumi <sylvainpafumi@ yahoo.com>
>Betreff: [WilhelmReich- List] Reich, Lakhovsky, Rife, Priore
>An: "sylvain pafumi" <orgonecritical@ yahoogroups. com>, WilhelmReich-
List@yahoogroups .de, OBRL-Quarterly- owner@yahoogroup s.com
>Datum: Samstag, 5. Dezember 2009, 21:07
>
>
> 
>Lakhovsky, Rife and the French Antoine Priore, had all found a way to fight
against cancer tumors.
>They all used devices involving electro-magnetic fields and thought that it was
the latter which healed their patients.
>But, all of us, orgonomists, know perfectly that electricity and magnetism are
ineffective on alive matter.
>
>So what happenned  ? In what an electric or electro-magnetic device was useful
to cure cancer ?
>
>Let us remember : in his book " the cancer biopathy", Reich was talking about
his orgone accumulators to concentrate orgone, but he has exposed another system
too. He used an electric field and made passed it in two metallic plates one
above the other one. On the superior plate, he stuck a wood piece on, in the
inferior one he stuck it under, and when he approached an argon tube between the
plates, or above or under, the tube got illuminated. When Reich placed the
argon tube on the superior plate but got off his hand away, the tube light went
out. the lumination reappeared only when he approached again his hand beside
the tube, and more he got closer, more the lumination became stronger.
>
>That Reich experiment proved :
>                                       Â\
 Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  1] that the argon lumination had nothing to do with
the electricity field, but everything with the orgone field attracted by the
device (that Reich called "orgone field indicator)
>                                       Â\
 Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 2] but also that if an electric (or
electro-magnetic field) is ineffective to influence a living body, it is
effective to attract an orgone field around which, it, is effective to do it,
and probably very much more than a simple orgone accumulator, because one can
influence the right electric field to get the right orgone accumulation.
>
>Conclusion : Lakhovsky, Rife, and Priore have probably invent effective devices
to heal the cancer tumors, but they didn't why their devices were effective, and
because they didn't know the existence of orgone, all believed that electricity
and electro-magnetism was involved in those recoveries.
>
>So, I disagree with Joel when he said that Lakhovsky and Rife's devices
stimulated the life energy inside the body.
>Actually, they do a little bit more : they attract the right orgone
concentration which makes reduce and sometimes completly get ride of the cancer
tumors. (I said cancer tumors, and not the cancer itself, which, as Reich
has proved it, is a biopathy involving the complete vital system) 
>Antoine Priore has been even succesfull to increase the size of mice and rates
tumor cancers. He probably had created around a concentrated orgone field
which went beyound the mice one (in adjusting the electric frequency). So, as a
superior orgone field is pumping the organism one, it made it weaker, and the
tumors stonger (and bigger).
>
>What we, orgonomists, have to do now, is to explain the common  functionment
principe of all those electro-magnetic devices to the scientists who didn't
understand (as their authors themselves!) why the Lakhovsky, Rife, and Priore's
devices were effective in cancer tumors regress, and so, make admit once for
ever the Reich's discovery of orgone energy.
>
>Good luck,
>
>Sylvain
>
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#1129 From: "Ken Carrigan" <bioelectric@...>
Date: Sun Dec 6, 2009 2:21 am
Subject: Re: Re: Two Interesting Concepts for Browns Gas Generation
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More Info on subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kanzius

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   Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 7:29 PM
   Subject: [KeelyNet_Interact] Re: Two Interesting Concepts for Browns Gas
Generation



   Hola Peter!

   Can't post it on my website but can post it in the discussion list where
   others will see it and have the chance to comment. See;

   http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/KeelyNet_Interact/

   Thanks for your input, that bit about the ink I've not seen before...

   Nos vemos (seeya!)

   Peter Ball wrote:
   > Hi Jerry
   >
   > I have followed your Keelynet website for some time and thought I
   > would pass on my two concepts plus a trird successful bit of
   > information for the efficient production of Browns gas to you for
   > posting on your website.
   >
   > My two concepts follow on from the work of John Kanzius who found
   > that bombarding a beaker of saline solution with radio waves
   > generated Browns gas a lot more efficiently than electrolysis, my
   > concepts suit both static applications such as power stations and
   > mobile applications such as motor vehicles.
   >
   > My first concept, for stationary applications involves constructing a
   > stack of wide, shallow metal trays inside a gas proof container and
   > circulating sea water or a saline solution at about one inch depth
   > into the trays and using the metal trays as the radiating antenna,
   > the large liquid surface area allows easy escape of the gas which
   > could be pumped into boilers or stationary engines, the energy costs
   > are the circulating pump, the radio and a fan to force the Browns gas
   > into a boiler or engine. a fan may not be necessary on engines if the
   > engine was sited close to the gas tight container and could suck in
   > the gas it self.
   >
   > My second concept, for mobile applications involves constructing an
   > array of copper mesh tubes with PVC end fittings inside a gas tight
   > container and using the copper mesh as the antenna, the mesh would be
   > the size that allows petrol and gas to pass but stops water as used
   > in the vehicle industry, a saline solution would be circulated
   > through the pipe array which could be built into a car bonnet, here
   > again the energy costs are the water pump, the radio and possibly a
   > fan for evacuating the gas tight container at start up,the array of
   > mesh tubes again provides a lot of surface area for the gas to escape
   > through.
   >
   > Another interesting fact you could post on your website is the fact
   > that a drop of ink in water increases the evaporation rate by about
   > twenty three percent, we found this out by accident while
   > experimenting with brackish water converters in northern Australia,
   > that may help future experimenters.
   >
   > I have not done any physical experiments on Browns gas production and
   > am now retired and past doing any experiments myself however other
   > experimenters can use these concepts as a starting point for free.
   >
   > Cheers
   >
   > Peter Ball

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#1128 From: Jerry Decker <jdecker@...>
Date: Sun Dec 6, 2009 12:29 am
Subject: Re: Two Interesting Concepts for Browns Gas Generation
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Hola Peter!

Can't post it on my website but can post it in the discussion list where
   others will see it and have the chance to comment.  See;

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/KeelyNet_Interact/

Thanks for your input, that bit about the ink I've not seen before...

Nos vemos (seeya!)


Peter Ball wrote:
> Hi Jerry
>
> I have followed your Keelynet website for some time and thought I
> would pass on my two concepts plus a trird successful bit of
> information for the efficient production of Browns gas to you for
> posting on your website.
>
> My two concepts follow on from the work of John Kanzius who found
> that bombarding a beaker of saline solution with radio waves
> generated Browns gas a lot more efficiently than electrolysis, my
> concepts suit both static applications such as power stations and
> mobile applications such as motor vehicles.
>
> My first concept, for stationary applications involves constructing a
> stack of wide, shallow metal trays inside a gas proof container and
> circulating sea water or a saline solution at about one inch depth
> into the trays and using the metal trays as the radiating antenna,
> the large liquid surface area allows easy escape of the gas which
> could be pumped into boilers or stationary engines, the energy costs
> are the circulating pump, the radio and a fan to force the Browns gas
> into a boiler or engine. a fan may not be necessary on engines if the
> engine was sited close to the gas tight container and could suck in
> the gas it self.
>
> My second concept, for mobile applications involves constructing an
> array of copper mesh tubes with PVC end fittings inside a gas tight
> container and using the copper mesh as the antenna, the mesh would be
> the size that allows petrol and gas to pass but stops water as used
> in the vehicle industry, a saline solution would be circulated
> through the pipe array which could be built into a car bonnet, here
> again the energy costs are the water pump, the radio and possibly a
> fan for evacuating the gas tight container at start up,the array of
> mesh tubes again provides a lot of surface area for the gas to escape
> through.
>
> Another interesting fact you could post on your website is the fact
> that a drop of ink in water increases the evaporation rate by about
> twenty three percent, we found this out by accident while
> experimenting with brackish water converters in northern Australia,
> that may help future experimenters.
>
> I have not done any physical experiments on Browns gas production and
> am now retired and past doing any experiments myself however other
> experimenters can use these concepts as a starting point for free.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter Ball


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#1127 From: Bob Paddock <bob.paddock@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 12:29 am
Subject: Energy Harvesting LTC3108 or where can we get 20mV and what do we do with it?
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While this is not the true "Free Energy" of ZPE that we seek, it is
starting to get closer
in the main stream field of Energy Harvesting.

Linear Technology released their LTC3108 "Complete Energy Harvesting
Power Management System",
takes a 20mV input and gives a low duty cycle VOUT of 2.35V, 3.3V, 4.1V or 5V.

http://www.linear.com/pc/productDetail.jsp?navId=H0,C1,C1003,C1042,C1031,C1060,P\
90287

LTC3108 - Ultralow Voltage [20mv] Step-Up Converter and Power Manager
- Selectable VOUT of 2.35V, 3.3V, 4.1V or 5V
- LDO: 2.2V at 3mA
.
Video:
http://www.linear.com/designtools/video/product_modules/LTC3108/index.html


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#1126 From: "torchlithill" <torchlithill@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 6:32 pm
Subject: explaining the universe
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correct me if Im wrong here, the universe is expanding faster and faster instead
of slowing right?
I was thinking abit out of the box on this and thought what could be the cause,
and came up with a possible corelation with a bubble rising in water, or
whatever heavier element it may be.
as the bubble of plasma or whatever the universe is within rises up to escape
the depths it tends to expand and become faster or atleast spreads out faster.
any thoughts on this ?
a secondary thought is what might happen when it finally reaches the surface.
Will it pop or will it keep its structure like a bubbled dome ?

#1125 From: Keasycom@...
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:12 am
Subject: Antigravity Experiment?
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The rather obvious question is if they simply turned the gyroscope 180 degrees
on the scales and the weight changed 10 grams or so?  My guess is that isn't
the experiment they did.



Keasy











I came across this and thought somebody might be interested. Has anyone repeated
this experiment?

Science waits for - almost begs for - refutation

Two Japanese scientists, H. Hayasaka and S. Takeuchi, have spun up some
gyroscopes, weighed them and - Horrors! - found that they weighed less when
spinning in one direction than the other. They admit the heresy of their
results: "The experimental result cannot be explained by the usual theories."

The gyroscopes employed are small, weighing about 175 grams when not spinning.
When spun clockwise, as viewed from above, no weight changes were observed. But
rotating at 13,000 rpm counterclockwise, the 175-gram gyroscope lost about 10
milligrams. The balance's sensitivity was 0.3 milligram. This is a very large
effect; and the weight loss increased linearly with increased speed of rotation.
Obviously, the physicists are most perplexed by this "antigravity" effect.

Perplexity has been accompanied by outright disbelief. R.L. Park, a physics
professor at Maryland, remarked: "It would be revolutionary if true. But it is
almost certainly wrong. Almost all extraordinary claims are wrong." R.L.
Forward, an Air Force consultant, con-curs: "It's a careful experiment. But I
doubt it's real, primarily because I've seen so many of these things fall
apart."




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#1124 From: "joel" <joelcarlinsky@...>
Date: Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:56 pm
Subject: Antigravity experiment?
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I came across this and thought somebody might be interested. Has anyone repeated
this experiment?


Science waits for - almost begs for - refutation

Two Japanese scientists, H. Hayasaka and S. Takeuchi, have spun up some
gyroscopes, weighed them and - Horrors! - found that they weighed less when
spinning in one direction than the other. They admit the heresy of their
results: "The experimental result cannot be explained by the usual theories."

The gyroscopes employed are small, weighing about 175 grams when not spinning.
When spun clockwise, as viewed from above, no weight changes were observed. But
rotating at 13,000 rpm counterclockwise, the 175-gram gyroscope lost about 10
milligrams. The balance's sensitivity was 0.3 milligram. This is a very large
effect; and the weight loss increased linearly with increased speed of rotation.
Obviously, the physicists are most perplexed by this "antigravity" effect.

Perplexity has been accompanied by outright disbelief. R.L. Park, a physics
professor at Maryland, remarked: "It would be revolutionary if true. But it is
almost certainly wrong. Almost all extraordinary claims are wrong." R.L.
Forward, an Air Force consultant, con-curs: "It's a careful experiment. But I
doubt it's real, primarily because I've seen so many of these things fall
apart."

(Anonymous; "Anti-Gravity Effect Claim by Japanese," San Francisco Chronicle,
December 28, 1989. Cr. J. Covey. Also: Anonymous; "A Gyroscope's Gravity-Defying
Feat," Science News, 137:15, 1990.)

Comment. The amazing thing - the anomaly - is that such "misguided" research got
funded at all and the results published. But then, maybe Japanese research
proposals do not have to get by 7 (that's seven) reviewers, as required by the
U.S. National Science Foundation!


From Science Frontiers #68, MAR-APR 1990. © 1990-2000 William R. Corliss

#1123 From: Jerry Decker <jdecker@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:42 pm
Subject: Re: Polar Printer Magnets vs Radus Magnetic Boots?
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Hola Bob!

Yep, but there are about 2 others...I get tired of rehashing and these
guys don't seem to realize they are walking down paths other have
trod...sure messes up their patents through prior art...

Can't think of the other guy who HAS patents but its on KeelyNet.
Hilden-Brand that was the guys name...he sent me two of them to test and
they do exactly as he said...and he has a patent!!!

> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/free_energy/message/25112

> http://keelynet.com/energy/hildenbrand.htm

>
http://keelynet.wordpress.com/2008/12/20/vorktex-vs-patented-hildenbrand-magneti\
c-switch/

I wondered if this company had anything to do with Hilden-Brand but
their about us says it was some other guy...betcha he read it on the net
and copied it but they need to license under hilden-brand since he has it.

Couldn't find the patent app offhand but its in...seeya!





Bob Paddock wrote:
> Jerry, did you make the connection between these two?:
>
> "11/25/09 - Polar Printer Reimagines the Way Magnets Work"
> http://keelynet.com/
>
> vs
>
> "08/26/05 - Radus magnetic boots a key to free energy?"
> http://keelynet.com/indexaug805.htm
>
>  11/25/09 - Polar Printer Reimagines the Way Magnets Work
> A team of engineers in Alabama unveils an invention that reimagines
> the way magnets work, and that could change the way we do everything
> from closing the fridge to building frictionless gears. A startup
> company in Hunstville, Ala. has revealed an invention that can
> reconfigure the charges of magnets in never-before-seen patterns, a
> breakthrough that may lead to new varieties of contact-free
> attachments and friction-free gears. The company, Correlated Magnetics
> Research (CMR), creates magnets that, instead of carrying a positive
> charge on one end and a negative on the other, have complex field
> patterns that can be used to attract corresponding magnetic fields.
> When the correlated patterns on two magnets match, they attract and
> clasp. With a simple turn, the correlation is lost and the two sides
> can be easily separated. Most magnets used in self-assembly rely on
> electricity to switch their positive and negative poles to initiate
> action. But Fullerton's desire for a simpler solution led to a
> question: What if he could instill multiple magnetic poles, instead of
> just two, into magnetic material? In collaboration with company
> engineers, he created a machine that uses an electromagnetic print
> head to focus a high-intensity magnetic field to form new patterns in
> the material. The company has developed a more advanced technology
> that reprograms magnets by heating up material to above its Curie
> temperature, the maximum temperature at which a material can retain
> its magnetism. It then brings the material into contact with a
> magnetic structure that instills the material with new magnetic field
> patterns. When the material cools, the multipole pattern remains. CMR
> is making prototype devices that demonstrate some other possibilities:
> Two handheld smart magnets mounted on handles clasp together tightly,
> but when they are twisted they come apart. This ability could come in
> handy in, say, tightly securing freezer doors—perfectly sealed with
> powerful magnets, but opened easily once the magnets rotate. Another
> key benefit of the arrangement becomes clear with this prototype: the
> attraction between correlated magnets falls off more quickly than that
> between traditional magnets as distance between the magnets increases.
> (The presence of so many positive and negative points close together
> saps the long-distance magnetic force. This is explained in some depth
> on the company's website.) This ability could allow for strong magnets
> to be used in everyday applications without destroying nearby credit
> cards, for instance, or it could control magnetic emissions used in
> medical imaging equipment that are not compatible with medical devices
> such as Pacemakers. - Full Article Source
>
> "08/26/05 - Radus magnetic boots a key to free energy?
> (This is apparently what Floyd Sweet did in his Vacuum Triode
> Amplifier which programmed a 'bubble' into a magnet which could be
> tickled to rapidly change polarity and induce current flow - JWD) With
> the Radus boots, the astronaut could pick up his foot by simply
> switching off the permanent magnetic fields easily. They switched on
> again when he placed the foot down. And he did not have to carry a
> huge battery around with him, to furnish enormous current to do that.
> The magnetic fields themselves - from permanent magnets - were simply
> switched! And the magnets had a memory. (So far as is known, even
> today no one tells you that in many virgin magnets fresh from the
> factory, their very first use conditions them with a memory!) That
> fact can be used, e.g., to create magnets whose fields appear normal,
> but which deviate from the normal behavior of ordinary magnets,
> including produce anomalies in their magnetic fields. With a little
> ingenuity in switching one could use such switchable magnets to
> produce a self-switching, self-powered permanent magnet motor. If you
> can easily switch the fields of a permanent magnet as you wish, and
> make that magnet also have a memory that you deliberately conditioned
> into it, you could also build a permanent magnet self-powered engine
> by adapting such memory (asymmetrical behavior) and switching. "
>
>


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#1122 From: Bob Paddock <bob.paddock@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:45 pm
Subject: Polar Printer Magnets vs Radus Magnetic Boots?
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Jerry, did you make the connection between these two?:

"11/25/09 - Polar Printer Reimagines the Way Magnets Work"
http://keelynet.com/

vs

"08/26/05 - Radus magnetic boots a key to free energy?"
http://keelynet.com/indexaug805.htm

  11/25/09 - Polar Printer Reimagines the Way Magnets Work
A team of engineers in Alabama unveils an invention that reimagines
the way magnets work, and that could change the way we do everything
from closing the fridge to building frictionless gears. A startup
company in Hunstville, Ala. has revealed an invention that can
reconfigure the charges of magnets in never-before-seen patterns, a
breakthrough that may lead to new varieties of contact-free
attachments and friction-free gears. The company, Correlated Magnetics
Research (CMR), creates magnets that, instead of carrying a positive
charge on one end and a negative on the other, have complex field
patterns that can be used to attract corresponding magnetic fields.
When the correlated patterns on two magnets match, they attract and
clasp. With a simple turn, the correlation is lost and the two sides
can be easily separated. Most magnets used in self-assembly rely on
electricity to switch their positive and negative poles to initiate
action. But Fullerton's desire for a simpler solution led to a
question: What if he could instill multiple magnetic poles, instead of
just two, into magnetic material? In collaboration with company
engineers, he created a machine that uses an electromagnetic print
head to focus a high-intensity magnetic field to form new patterns in
the material. The company has developed a more advanced technology
that reprograms magnets by heating up material to above its Curie
temperature, the maximum temperature at which a material can retain
its magnetism. It then brings the material into contact with a
magnetic structure that instills the material with new magnetic field
patterns. When the material cools, the multipole pattern remains. CMR
is making prototype devices that demonstrate some other possibilities:
Two handheld smart magnets mounted on handles clasp together tightly,
but when they are twisted they come apart. This ability could come in
handy in, say, tightly securing freezer doors—perfectly sealed with
powerful magnets, but opened easily once the magnets rotate. Another
key benefit of the arrangement becomes clear with this prototype: the
attraction between correlated magnets falls off more quickly than that
between traditional magnets as distance between the magnets increases.
(The presence of so many positive and negative points close together
saps the long-distance magnetic force. This is explained in some depth
on the company's website.) This ability could allow for strong magnets
to be used in everyday applications without destroying nearby credit
cards, for instance, or it could control magnetic emissions used in
medical imaging equipment that are not compatible with medical devices
such as Pacemakers. - Full Article Source

"08/26/05 - Radus magnetic boots a key to free energy?
(This is apparently what Floyd Sweet did in his Vacuum Triode
Amplifier which programmed a 'bubble' into a magnet which could be
tickled to rapidly change polarity and induce current flow - JWD) With
the Radus boots, the astronaut could pick up his foot by simply
switching off the permanent magnetic fields easily. They switched on
again when he placed the foot down. And he did not have to carry a
huge battery around with him, to furnish enormous current to do that.
The magnetic fields themselves - from permanent magnets - were simply
switched! And the magnets had a memory. (So far as is known, even
today no one tells you that in many virgin magnets fresh from the
factory, their very first use conditions them with a memory!) That
fact can be used, e.g., to create magnets whose fields appear normal,
but which deviate from the normal behavior of ordinary magnets,
including produce anomalies in their magnetic fields. With a little
ingenuity in switching one could use such switchable magnets to
produce a self-switching, self-powered permanent magnet motor. If you
can easily switch the fields of a permanent magnet as you wish, and
make that magnet also have a memory that you deliberately conditioned
into it, you could also build a permanent magnet self-powered engine
by adapting such memory (asymmetrical behavior) and switching. "


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#1121 From: Jerry <jwdatwork@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:30 pm
Subject: additional items added to Clem Reborn
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Hola Folks!

For those who are interested, I have added a few items to the page;

http://www.keelynet.com/energy/clemreborn.html

#1120 From: joel carlinsky <joelcarlinsky@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:50 pm
Subject: Re: The Clem Engine Reborn
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I did a quick search and found this source of more information:
 
http://www.franklincar.org/INFO/

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From: joel carlinsky <joelcarlinsky@...>
Subject: Re: [KeelyNet_Interact] The Clem Engine Reborn
To: KeelyNet_Interact@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 10:24 AM


There is nothing new about this. The same phenomena was frequently observed in
the air-cooled Franklin automobile, manufactured from around 1900 to 1934. The
Franklin was the first air-cooled car and for many years, the only one on the
market. There are still a few of them around.
 
The Franklin was once driven in low gear for over 800 miles, non-stop, to prove
it could not overheat. On a hot day, it would continue to run after the motor
was shut off and fuel flow stopped. The set-up kept sucking in more air due to
expansion from the heat, and somehow kept it running without addition of fuel.
 
If I had realized you would be interested in that sort of thing, I would have
told you about it years ago, but it just never occured to me that it could be
considered a perpetual motion device because it needs a constant supply of fresh
air, so I would not have considered it to qualify as a P.M. device. 
 
After the company went out of business in the Depression, the rights to the
Franklin engine were sold to an aircraft factory in Poland, and they are still
being produced there for crop-dusters.

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Jerry <jwdatwork@...> wrote:


From: Jerry <jwdatwork@...>
Subject: [KeelyNet_Interact] The Clem Engine Reborn
To: "keelynet interact" <KeelyNet_Interact@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 8:54 AM


Hola Guys!

Well, you heard it here first, it has happened, someone claims to have
duplicated the CLEM engine and if its true and they can get it to market, it
will circumvent every alternatives source of power, solar, wind, water, etc..

Validated by NASA in two tests and Oak Ridge National Labs...waiting for a final
updated document but the website is there for you to study and here is the
article I wrote about it...an edited version will be in the Nexus November 2009
issue;

http://www.keelynet.com/energy/clemreborn.html

Quite fascinating, eh?  How many years have some of us been on the hunt for Clem
info for a better understanding when someone might come up with the money to
actually try to build it...these guys apparently have.

I haven't put it in KeelyNet news until we get the final updated paper by Dr.
Scott, then  it'll be time to spread it around bigtime!

Las cosas cambien (things change)...



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#1119 From: joel carlinsky <joelcarlinsky@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:24 pm
Subject: Re: The Clem Engine Reborn
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There is nothing new about this. The same phenomena was frequently observed in
the air-cooled Franklin automobile, manufactured from around 1900 to 1934. The
Franklin was the first air-cooled car and for many years, the only one on the
market. There are still a few of them around.
 
The Franklin was once driven in low gear for over 800 miles, non-stop, to prove
it could not overheat. On a hot day, it would continue to run after the motor
was shut off and fuel flow stopped. The set-up kept sucking in more air due to
expansion from the heat, and somehow kept it running without addition of fuel.
 
If I had realized you would be interested in that sort of thing, I would have
told you about it years ago, but it just never occured to me that it could be
considered a perpetual motion device because it needs a constant supply of fresh
air, so I would not have considered it to qualify as a P.M. device. 
 
After the company went out of business in the Depression, the rights to the
Franklin engine were sold to an aircraft factory in Poland, and they are still
being produced there for crop-dusters.

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Jerry <jwdatwork@...> wrote:


From: Jerry <jwdatwork@...>
Subject: [KeelyNet_Interact] The Clem Engine Reborn
To: "keelynet interact" <KeelyNet_Interact@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 8:54 AM


Hola Guys!

Well, you heard it here first, it has happened, someone claims to have
duplicated the CLEM engine and if its true and they can get it to market, it
will circumvent every alternatives source of power, solar, wind, water, etc..

Validated by NASA in two tests and Oak Ridge National Labs...waiting for a final
updated document but the website is there for you to study and here is the
article I wrote about it...an edited version will be in the Nexus November 2009
issue;

http://www.keelynet.com/energy/clemreborn.html

Quite fascinating, eh?  How many years have some of us been on the hunt for Clem
info for a better understanding when someone might come up with the money to
actually try to build it...these guys apparently have.

I haven't put it in KeelyNet news until we get the final updated paper by Dr.
Scott, then  it'll be time to spread it around bigtime!

Las cosas cambien (things change)...



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#1118 From: Jerry <jwdatwork@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:54 pm
Subject: The Clem Engine Reborn
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Hola Guys!

Well, you heard it here first, it has happened, someone claims to have
duplicated the CLEM engine and if its true and they can get it to market, it
will circumvent every alternatives source of power, solar, wind, water, etc..

Validated by NASA in two tests and Oak Ridge National Labs...waiting for a final
updated document but the website is there for you to study and here is the
article I wrote about it...an edited version will be in the Nexus November 2009
issue;

http://www.keelynet.com/energy/clemreborn.html

Quite fascinating, eh?  How many years have some of us been on the hunt for Clem
info for a better understanding when someone might come up with the money to
actually try to build it...these guys apparently have.

I haven't put it in KeelyNet news until we get the final updated paper by Dr.
Scott, then  it'll be time to spread it around bigtime!

Las cosas cambien (things change)...



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#1117 From: Jerry Decker <jdecker@...>
Date: Fri Nov 6, 2009 1:35 am
Subject: Re: Antigravity
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Hola Danny!

Check this out;

Roger J. SHAWYER - Electromagnetic Space Drive

http://www.rexresearch.com/shawyer/shawyer.htm
--------------------
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmDrive

The device exploits an idea first suggested by Allen Cullen in the
1950s, an electrical engineer then at University College London, that
involves forces created by reflecting microwaves between opposite walls
of a cavity. The idea is to try to design a cavity in such a manner that
forces on one side are greater than the other.

The drive comprises a resonant cavity flooded with microwave radiation.
The radiation exerts radiation pressure on the walls of the cavity, and
normal Newtonian mechanics would of course indicate that, no matter what
shape the cavity is, the forces exerted upon it from within must balance
to zero.

However, Shawyer claims that relativistic effects cause a cavity shaped
like a truncated cone to experience a larger force against the large end
than the small end, due to the group velocity of the wave changing as
the local diameter of the cavity varies.
--------------------

danny garvin wrote:
> Jerry Have you seen this?
> http://dvice.com/archives/2009/10/antigravity-emd.php


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