Hola Amigos!

I notice the archive is again screwing up so I'm tired of messing with
it. Thus, the creation of this as the new 'Interact' discussion list.
  It will cover the same topics as before and as stated at the top of
the home page.

Yahoo Groups are reliable and provide not only the option to receive
emails at your address, but also an archive of all past posts that is
easy to access.

So, welcome and I look forward to your input and ideas!

Jerry / KeelyNet

I'll bet you money these guys are looking for new products and hoping
there is a kit they can copy and mass produce!

I received this today;

Hello, please allow me to introduce my company as Truckquip s/b, Lot
3, Jalan Perusahaan Satu, 68100, Batu Caves. Selangor,Malaysia.

We are a a subsidiary company of a public listed company called Tan
Cong Motor Holdings Berhad.

We are interested in the kit form the article `Fuel from Burning Water'.

Appreciate if you will let us know how we can get hold of the kit.

Thank you very much.
-------------
They refer to the article faxed up to us years ago which several have
built, yet it does NOT produce anywhere near the hydrogen gas volume
it claimed.

The whole thing was probably a hoax (not my doing) to waste peoples'
time so I don't list it in the files and posted a CAVEAT EMPTOR in the
article so it is still on KeelyNet, though not easy to find.  Its at;

http://www.keelynet.com/energy/waterfuel.htm

It all SOUNDS GOOD, but it simply doesn't work as claimed.

that is the same article that got me interested in keelynet years
ago. if i had the time and the resources, it would be a reality.
(wishful thinking, i know!)

-cheers


--- In KeelyNet_Interact@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry" <jwdatwork@...>
wrote:
>
> I'll bet you money these guys are looking for new products and
hoping
> there is a kit they can copy and mass produce!
>
> I received this today;
>
> Hello, please allow me to introduce my company as Truckquip s/b, Lot
> 3, Jalan Perusahaan Satu, 68100, Batu Caves. Selangor,Malaysia.
>
> We are a a subsidiary company of a public listed company called Tan
> Cong Motor Holdings Berhad.
>
> We are interested in the kit form the article `Fuel from Burning
Water'.
>
> Appreciate if you will let us know how we can get hold of the kit.
>
> Thank you very much.
> -------------
> They refer to the article faxed up to us years ago which several
have
> built, yet it does NOT produce anywhere near the hydrogen gas volume
> it claimed.
>
> The whole thing was probably a hoax (not my doing) to waste peoples'
> time so I don't list it in the files and posted a CAVEAT EMPTOR in
the
> article so it is still on KeelyNet, though not easy to find.  Its
at;
>
> http://www.keelynet.com/energy/waterfuel.htm
>
> It all SOUNDS GOOD, but it simply doesn't work as claimed.
>

Hola Neil!

neil redfearn wrote:
  > FYI---Concerning geothermal energy using existing hot water for steam
  >  power. That was tried in the late 70's and early 80's. The useless
  > energy dept. tried that in Louisiana. They were trying to pump hot
  > water to the surface, extract the gas, then burn the gas to heat the
  > water into steam for a turbine. The problem is the water is mostly
  > salt water. the mineral content was so high ( as everyone in the oil
  > industry knew ) it plugged the flow lines to unuseable size in about
  > a month. No one in the energy dept would listen to the EVIL oil
  > people bu they found the EVIL oil people were right. It seems to me
  > they wasted about two billion dollars. BTW mayberry was the way it
  > was. Your list of changes was correct.

Geothermal energy uses thermodynamics, not combustion of gases to
generate power.

There are at least two ways to do it;

1) install pipes in a loop underground which heat a refridgerant like
freon that expands to provide pressure to drive a turbogenerator to make
electricity

or

2) pump the hot water up top to cause the expansion of refridgerant in
sealed pipes that again power a turbogenerator from the expansion.

In the article there is no mention of burning anything...they say the
hot water is sufficient to produce steam on its own that will drive a
turbine...but the best geothermal systems simply find a low phase change
refridgerant so the water doesn't have to be steam.  Its the same thing
done with solar sterling engines and I think quite viable.

Nos vemos (seeya!)

Here is the article;

01/23/07 - Earth's Heat Can Power Our Future

http://www.livescience.com/environment/070122_geothermal.html

The extraordinary amount of heat seething below Earth's hard rocky crust
could help supply the United States with a significant fraction of the
electricity it will need in the future, probably at competitive prices
and with minimal environmental impact, scientists now claim.

An 18-member panel led by MIT has prepared the first study in some 30
years to take a new look at the largely ignored area of geothermal
energy. Geothermal plants essentially mine heat by using wells at times
a mile or more deep.

These wells tap into hot rock and connect them with flowing water,
producing large amounts of steam and super-hot water that can drive
turbines and run electricity generators at the surface. The United
States is the world's biggest producer of geothermal energy.

Nafi Toksvz, a geophysicist at MIT, noted that the electricity produced
annually by geothermal plants now in use in California, Hawaii, Utah and
Nevada is comparable to that produced by solar and wind power combined.

However, existing U.S. plants are concentrated mostly at isolated
regions in the West. There, hot rocks are closer to the surface,
requiring less drilling and thus lowering costs. Even then, drilling
must reach depths of 5,000 feet or more in the West, and much deeper in
the eastern United States. Still, the panel now estimates geothermal
power could meet roughly 10 percent of U.S. electricity needs by 2050.

/ # Using coproduced hot water, available in large quantities at
temperatures up to 1000C or more from existing oil and gas operations,
it is possible to generate up to 11,000 MWe of new generating capacity
with standard binary-cycle technology, and increase hydrocarbon
production by partially offsetting parasitic losses consumed during
production.

# A cumulative capacity of more than 100,000 MWe from EGS can be
achieved in the United States within 50 years with a modest, multiyear
federal investment for RD&D in several field projects in the United States.

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Hola Folks!

raberman wrote:
  > http://bookshelf.ning.com/view.php?b=1384194
  >
  > The Prestige
  > By Christopher Priest | See this on Amazon
  >
  > The Washington Post called this "a dizzying magic show of a novel,
  > chock-a-block with all the props of Victorian sensation fiction:
  > seances, multiple narrators, a family curse, doubles, a lost
  > notebook, wraiths, and disembodied spirits; a haunted house, awesome
  > mad-doctor machinery, a mausoleum, and ghoulish horrors; a
  > misunderstood scientist, impossible disappearances; the sins of the
  > fathers visited upon their descendants." Winner of the 1996 World
  > Fantasy Award, The Prestige is even better than that, because unlike
  > many Victorians, Priest writes crisp, unencumbered prose. And anyone
  > who's ever thrilled to the arcing electricity in the "It's alive!"
  > scene in Frankenstein will relish the "special effects" by none other
  > than Nikola Tesla.
  >
  > First shelved on June 12th, 2006
  >
  > I thought you'd be interested in this book!

Yes, I saw the movie here and it was excellent, much like 'The
Illusionist'.  In the vein of pumping up the Tesla Church and its
creepily fanatic proponents, 'The Presige' movie added yet more bullshit
to the legacy of Tesla.

There are so many who believe everything said about Tesla yet they don't
study the original documents in his own hand and in the press FROM THE
TIME...instead they quote and regurgitate the mindless ramblings of new
age believers who don't have a clue about electronics or physics.

Unfortunately, on the internet, errors propagate at the speed of light
so many sites simply COPY the bullshit and quote it as fact.

When you try to track down where Tesla or his contemporaries or news
FROM THE TIME stated the claim in question, it turns out to be someone
promoting something, either a belief or a book or a product they want to
sell.

The idea of duplicating matter, both living and inert, done by Tesla, is
pure fantasy....yeah, yeah, I know, ITS JUST A MOVIE!

Yet taking it with a big block of salt, I enjoyed 'The Prestige' enough
to go see it a 2nd time. I did the same for 'the Illusionist' and have
them both on DVD.

David Bowie was spectacular and perfectly underplayed as Tesla as was
Michael Caine, Hugh Jackman, Christian Bale and Sara Johansson.

But we shouldn't let ourselves fall into creating or parroting yet
another erroneous claim about Tesla....like that idiot Al Bielek with
the Philadelphia Experiment.

Stick to the original sources from the time and what can be proven and
tracked.  All else is theory and/or speculation not based in actual fact.

Thanks for the headsup on the book.

--
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     Order out of Chaos - From an Art to a Science
    Donations : http://www.keelynet.com/donate1.htm
Books/Videos : http://www.keelynet.com/products.htm
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    http://www.keelynet.com/mexistim/nexcrock.htm
                   * * * * * * * *
        Vanguard Sciences (eBooks and DVDs)
           http://www.vanguardsciences.biz
            The Physics of Crystals DVD
              Lil Pyramid Builder eBook
      High Voltage & Free Energy Devices eBook
   $$ 14 Ways to save Money on Fuel Costs $$ eBook
=====================================================

Greetings everyone!

I like the idea of letting Yahoo take care of the group Jerry.  It
might be good to keep an archive of the e-mails just in case Yahoo
nukes the group (as they have been known to do).

I'm writing today to see if anyone remembers a post 1-2 years ago
about a technique to refresh or de-memorize rechargeable batteries.
It was something about short-circuiting the batteries for a period to
"burn off" the built up crystals.

Anyone?

Thanks in advance
Dave

I can't say that I totally believe in this article, I also can't say it
seems impossible, time will tell, hopefully.
"If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the
streets and lynch us" George HW Bush.
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/19-Jan-2007.html

I hope no one takes takes this si-fi article seriously.  My info sources
reveal the GHWB connection as pure left wing garbage.  CC



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Seeing as gravity is supposedly an inverse square function, wouldn't
the opposite produce zero g and then anything more than that in a
square function be an into the negatives? aka: antigravity

--- In KeelyNet_Interact@yahoogroups.com, "Phil" <webdisplays@...>
wrote:
>
>
> The uncanny phenomenon by which a spinning gyroscopic flywheel can
> orient itself to effortlessly and powerfully oppose both gravity
and
> orbital radial torque in balance has occurred to me to be an under
> explored area of research physics. From the time that i first
toyed with
> a spinning gyroscope as a child I have puzzled about it's
implications.
> Used for years as generic navigation and stabilization system
sensory
> devices, spinning gimbaled gyroscopic flywheels and the intensely
> powerful gravitational dimensionality and the relationships of
them to
> the precessive or recessive orbital forces that they anchor
themselves
> to in motion may in fact be an untapped and largely unharnessed
energy
> resource of our continuum that has yet to be fully explored,
applied and
> fully understood by modern science.
>
> Does squaring the circle have a deeper meaning?
>
> Have both the great ancients of Egypt and our forefathers have
wittingly
> or unwittingly conveyed to us the gist of the simple answer to the
> greatest of engineering mysteries left long uninterpreted by our
modern
> engineering sciences?
>
> One interesting theory seems to be that one could utilize the
phenomenon
> of angular axial precession energies to generate power, in effect
> borrowing from the rotational energy of our planetary orbital
rotations
> by an elaborate re-acceleration/displacement gearing drive train
that
> progressively disorients a single flywheel, how this could be
> accomplished in a continuous re-cyclic fashion seems to be a
mystery
> however.
>
> In another notable phenomenon of late, (featured article here on
> KeelyNet) it would seem to have been shown experimentally that
freely
> rotating electrons rotating within an excited Meissner state
> cero-magnetic superconductor (more-massive electrons freely
circulating
> at near the speed of light around an ordered supercold magnetic
disc
> lattice) can apparently 'shield' half of a rotating flywheel from
it's
> inherent gravitational dimensionality, producing a noticeable
> gravity-dimensional 'sheilding' otherwise unexplainable in an on-
axis
> region above their rotational activity.
>
> In automotive engineering it is well known that the modest
flywheel of a
> rear wheel driven, longitudinally oriented internal combustion
engine is
> known to cause a vehicle to lift on left turns or dive into right
turns,
> (or vice-versa) causing a marked change in the weight distribution
> (gravitational dimensionality) of the vehicle under the most
adverse
> circumstances.
>
> Meteorologists often dismiss the rather disturbing observed
behaviors of
> airborne UFO type objects as some sort of quaint optical
phenomenon, but
> what if they are in fact tightly molecularly bound rotational
chemical
> reactions in the atmosphere, that due to that fact alone, during
their
> occurrences, disobey the normal frictional reactive, convective,
> directional, accelerational, gravitational and pressure related
laws
> that govern otherwise static and relatively inert mundane gaseous
> 'cloud' formations that are otherwise so commonplace? What if we
could
> mechanically simulate such behaviors in a highly controllable,
> predictable and useful fashion?
>
> An Inertial  Gravitational Singularity Generator?
>
> To date all mass propulsion and load suspension technologies (save
> lighter than air) have derived from age old frictional reactive
> technologies, but what if we could borrow actually far more than
merely
> coincidental marginal sustaining energy or orientation data from
the
> gravitational dimensionality and inertias of our celestial
gravitational
> partners in a far more practical manner than ever before realized
by
> mechanical means?
>
> To me, seems to be that if we can use a flywheel to attract
(selectively
> oppose or resist in balance) its gravitational dimension of
orientation,
> it should or might also be possible to get a precessively anchored
> object composed of multiple paired flywheel nodal nacelles to
oppose
> gravity entirely in the manner of an engine, and by precisely
> controlling and changing other rotational phase balances
> (RPM:Ratios/breaking's per and inter-nodally) even possibly provide
> directionally controllable propulsive power and navigational
control in
> suitable, controlled and tightly regulated operating mechanical
arrays.
>
> Question #1: If a number of flywheels physically anchored to the
same
> plane of a rigid planar object cannot overcome one another to
triumph in
> gravitational orientation, would the balanced planar object
(triangle,
> square or greater) not tend to resist gravity entirely?
>
> Obviously precessional or recessional forces due to any likely
> disturbance however small might drive such an object to instability
>
> Second of all then, let us consider foremost, a binary gyroscopic
> assembly of tightly controlled rotational phase and inertial speed
(mass
> vs revolutions) as a single "nodal nacelle" of such a geometric
array
> structure. In order to capture, anchor to and regulate both the
> conventional gyroscopic planar energy and both the positive (CW)
> precessional and negative (CCW) recessional planar energies we
would
> seem to require a binary dual opposing dense massive flywheel
assembly
> designed as illustrated below:
>
>
>
> A Bi-Gyro Node
<http://www.webdisplays.com/question/BiGyro_node.jpg>
>
> While many relationships exist with just two (suspended joined at
any
> particular vector angles) or three flywheel systems anchored in a
simple
> rigid tripod formation, such arrangements even up to the more
logical
> tetrahedral (or other orthogonal or frustum) configuration would
seem to
> be interesting investigational tools of only marginal controllable
> practicality (and/or structural integrity) more suitable to
possible
> sensor capabilities. Nonetheless dual counter-rotating flywheels
might
> even work in a single flat planar (triangular or squared) assembly
for
> the mere purposes of levitation provided suitable GPS reference and
> attitude control could be otherwise be implemented.
>
> The limitation of the tetrahedral form, while it may be
functionally
> equivalent in naturally occurring chemical atmospheric reactions,
seems
> to relate to issues of balance, complex geometry and control in
layout,
> but may indeed be possible to simulate and control mechanically at
some
> future point as well.
>
>
>
> Tetrahedral IGS Topology
> <http://www.webdisplays.com/question/tetra_IGS_C.jpg>
>
>
>
> The theory here is that multiple physical or excited supercooled
> electron flywheels assembled and variably operating in constrained
> architectural orientations to one another may be capable of
naturally
> focusing and harnessing both multi-planar gravitational and binary
> planar precessive orbital relativistic forces in manners not
previously
> envisioned using advanced servo-mechanical and electronic
computational
> technological capabilities that are now commonplace in modern
> programmable computer process controlled implementation topologies.
>
> The most logical and promising candidate shape and layout
orientation
> for such a basic theoretical anti-gravity engine, to my mind at
least,
> is beyond any doubt the potential behaviors and properties of the
> pyramidal formation illustrated below. With these 16 operating
> flywheels, might it be possible to dynamically play one force
> (gravitation) off against the other (inertial pre-recession) to
attain
> some other beneficial effects?
>
>
>
> Pyramidal IGS Drive Topology
> <http://www.webdisplays.com/question/IGS_drive_C.jpg>
>
> Even more interesting is the question of whether we could do away
with
> the antique mechanical, physical gyroscope 'flywheels' I've
described in
> this topolology and replace the eight opposing pairs (16) of them
with
> ultra low mass, near light speed, Meissner-effect supercooled
excited
> electron current 'flywheels' that seem to function more like
perfect
> gyroscopes with relation to mass and gravitational dimensionality
than
> do their more primative mechanical analogs. It may be that solid
ceramic
> discs with a supercooled, shorted superconducting 'toroid cylinder'
> outer layer may suffice as the relativistic-speed 'electron
flywheels'
> needed, thus solving the anchoring issue.
>
> Question: Does even the most modest conventional gyroscope exhibit
even
> to some tiny nearly unnoticable degree a minute fraction of the
> gravitational 'shielding' effect above it's axis of rotation that
the
> supercooled excited Miessner effect ceramic electron flywheel does?
>
> -- I think it must, since both are representations of the same
principle
> of theoretical physics. I know from experience that Meissner discs
> suspended above magnets do exhibit precession effects exactly as
> gyroscopes do when the stand supporting this mundane physics
experiment
> is moved, I've noted evidences of such in overhead projections.
>
> Question: Define the dynamic properties and behaviors one could
> theoretically expect or practically measure or observe in the
> progressive series of topologies I'm envisioning here.
>
> -- My supposition is that by braking half-pairs of same-rotation
(CW or
> CCW) flywheels in the pyramidal or tetrahedral layout one could
obtain
> inertial lift or directional accelerations, however the required
mass
> and resulting rotational speed limitations of conventional
mechanical
> gyroscopic flywheels may render a weak and grossly inefficient
> prototype. Could one do so magnetically with far more effective low
> mass, near light speed, Meissner state rotating electron flywheels?
>
> Question: Could one produce and excite the nirogen filled donuts
one
> would need to create the supercooled magnetically excited and
controlled
> Meissner state ceramic disc 'flywheels' that my theoretical recipe
here
> calls for?
>
> -- Beyond my engineering expertise :-)
>
> I would just hope that some promise could be ascertained from
> experimentation with a simple electro-mechanical prototype, using
> conventional flywheels.
>
>
>
> While I'd hate to be shot down here, I have this nagging suspicion
that
> I may be on to something far beyond my own means to investigate or
> develop, and would hate to see my strange suspicions lost if they
have
> any validity whatsoever.
>
> Anyone else as curious or puzzled as I am?
>

Phil,
  Good work man, an excellent read. Your theorem makes sense and could be used.
However (sorry .. ) the engine has to be easily understood and (if possible) be
ascetically
pleasing if the majority are to catch on.
  I'm working on some designs and hopefully will have a working demo to show the
group
(but please, don't hold your breath).
My aim is to build an 'engine' witch will fit into the conventional motor
vehicle.
  Rather then reinvent the wheel, just make in self sustaining and low
maintenance.
  I know I'm not alone in this pursuit and look forward sharing working
principals.

Cheers

Hi, I subscribed to your group! Welcome to all new members and a
special thanks to Jerry Decker for his work!

Hola Folks!

I want to work up a webpage that shows inventors what investors have to
put forth in ADDITION to what the inventor wants for his/her cut.
Generally, inventors make 5% OR LESS for their invention.
--------------
http://www.inventor-mentor.com/articles/?show=licensing

What percentage can I expect as a royalty?

Generally something between one and ten percent. For a mass-produced
consumer item for which competition is fierce, most likely the royalty
will be close to one percent. For fad items that will have a limited
life, and for which there is little or no competition, you may get as
much as ten percent. Most inventions license for around five percent or
less.

Will I get an up-front lump sum?

A large corporation may feel that an advance on royalties is fair, and
pay something like $10,000 up front. A smaller company may want to
preserve its cash for tooling and market launch expense, and work
strictly on the agreed percent paid quarterly. In any case you should
stipulate a reasonable minimum annual payment or the licensee can "sit
on your invention," and have little incentive to get it to the market.

An up-front payment is nearly always an advance on royalties, not a
bonus in addition to royalties.
--------------
Personally I think 5% is a bit low but it depends on the device and how
well it sells and over how many years to allow not only payback for the
investor(s) but also some reasonable profit.

I get a lot of theories and ideas, some claiming it will work, yet the
claimant won't put up the time or effort ON THEIR OWN to build it...I
suspect because they don't have confidence in action, but they do have
confidence in words...words are useless if it can't be translated to
hardware or useful applications.

The idea is to have a page that can be referenced for potential
inventors to read BEFORE they start asking for billions of dollars for
their automatic toilet seat closer or super widget (of course I don't
give a flip about that kind of stuff, its energy, gravity and healing
for me).

Its very annoying to see how easily some inventors are swayed by
lawyers, family, etc...into demanding incredible amounts of money for
something that has not even been proven or tested in the real world to
show that it has potential (pun intended).

As an assist to inventors, I wrote this up years ago so that I could
point them to it FIRST without having to rehash the points over and over
in endless replies;

http://www.keelynet.com/sources/assist.htm

No doubt it can be improved, but its a start.

An example of what I mean by inventors LOSING IT by demanding tons of
money...some of you, my longtime friends and associates will remember
this because you WERE THERE;

Roughly 15 years ago, Jack, a longtime friend notified me of a letter to
the editor in a Dallas paper claiming there was no energy crisis, that
he had invented a thermodynamic air turbine which produced 30,000 watts.
   I found a copy of the 3 day old paper and called the paper to get
contact info for this inventor...turns out he lived about 10 blocks from
my house.

Called him up, we talked about 3 hours...nice guy...invited him to lunch
at his favorite cafeteria...we met and talked another 3 hours...I told
about 40 of our friends about this and arranged for him to give a
presentation.

He did a superb job that made it all as clear as it could be...we were
duly impressed and I kick myself for not having videotaped that
presentation...it was about 3 hours and everyone was spellbound because
this engineer wove so many points together so effortlessly, showing the
faulty thermodynamics laws and how they could be used to make a
self-running device.

This was basically an air version of the Clem engine;

http://www.keelynet.com/energy/clem1.htm

and arrived at totally independently.  This guy had worked as an
engineer for a company who owned his over 50 patents.  He was now
retired and tinkered in his 2 car garage building custom turbine blades
and devices.

He told us at the presentation that his machine had some kind of
mechanical problem which I don't recall at the moment, but that he
needed about $50,000 to repair it so he could demonstrate it to us.

Several of us agreed to put up the money for the demo unit and we could
find financing for further development if it worked as he claimed.  He
was very happy with the offer of the $50,000 and said it would repair
his machine and more for a demonstration.  One doctor friend was writing
a check for $5,000, which I told him not to give the guy just yet
because none of us had even seen his workshop or anything.

The inventor was super paranoid...he put wax on his door frame with his
thumbprint saying the government and/or big oil enters his house when he
is gone to check on his work...says he found things rearranged or
missing but no sign of entry other than the broken hidden wax seal when
he returned home.

Unfortunately, I invited to this presentation a 'friend' from England
who I met at a conference in Georgia. He claimed to represent hundreds
of millions of dollars...yeah, right...he turned out to be just another
butterfly trying to get in with inventors...

The inventor invented me and this butterfly managed to wangle an
invite...so we went to the guys workshop and turbines of all types were
hanging from the ceiling and on the shelves..with an engine about 3 foot
X 3 foot hanging from chains from the ceiling...he said it wasn't
self-running as it needed a repaired seal...but he hooked it up to a
220V 3 phase motor which spun it up as a simulation...whoopeee!  But the
guy was for real about his having put a lot of work into this.

The butterfly kept after the inventor offering first a million, then 10
million and all the way up to 50 million dollars...the inventors eyes
looked like a slot machine clicking off dollars.

I knew this butterfly guy was a joke and a conman, so told him to shut
the hell up...he'd never DONE a damn thing and was screwing up this deal
with pure bullshit...but the inventor was hooked...I warned him DO NOT
get involved with this guy, he is lying and just trying to get you to
hand over some of your material...but to no avail.

I reminded the inventor, WE HAD THE $50,000 NOW in our little group to
get his machine running again...but no joy, his greed was in full
bloom...I also told him if he believes this idiot and makes a deal he
would regret it later when nothing happened and I'd wash my hands of the
entire thing.

So I walked out and never contacted either of them again...perhaps 6
years later, I happened to see the inventor in a local cafeteria...he
was older and much more worn and tired...I asked him how did his big
investor go...he said he wished he had listened to me...he said the
butterfly trolled him along for about 2 years and got a few papers but
not the secret...he said he never got A DIME from this guy and realized
it was a losing deal so got out of it. I asked him if he wanted to
resume our deal and he said he couldn't because he had signed papers
with this butterfly guy so couldn't work with anyone else.  So sad to
hear this...we shook hands, I wished him luck, he looked forlorn and beaten.

After moving to Mexico, I decided to look him up on a trip back to the
states...his house had been sold and the garage torn down....I checked
the death index and he had died about 1999 with all his secrets and
prototypes lost.

Why was all this lost?  Because of GREED.

Inventors need to be made aware of how they need to work with REAL
investors, not sign deals that aren't totally clear cut about payment,
how much and when...not some fantasy dream of hundreds of millions that
never pays a dime yet locks them into a contract for life.

So what I'm asking are some guidelines to demonstrate what investors
have to pay IN ADDITION to the money paid to the inventor.

The investor(s) will have to pay for things like;

1) the patent search to be sure the invention wasn't stolen, copied or
covered in a patent that was still in force
2) searching extant literature to insure no conflict which might result
in later legal challenges
3) development to optimize the invention and come up with viable
applications for it which would extend sales
4) packaging of the invention
5) compliance with safety and government regulations
6) funding the factory, workstaff, technicians, management, operating costs
7) tooling and fitting out for manufacturing
8) advertising and marketing costs
9) distribution costs

Other factors come into play which would ameliorate these costs
somewhat...such as licensing or franchising the rights for others to
manufacture and sell the invention.

But it all amounts to a huge investment that I think many inventors
don't have a clue about...and something they need to SERIOUSLY CONSIDER
before demanding huge payment for their idea.

Granted, without the idea, none of the rest will follow...but how many
devices and new technology has been LOST because of excessive greed,
paranoia or control (ego) issues?

What is more important to you, as an inventor...hoping to get fabulously
wealthy and risking never seeing your invention marketed and in use, or
lowering your expectations to something realistic which will make you
secure and more for the remainder of your life AND see your invention in
use all over the world?

We also need to warn people about these investor trolls like this
English butterfly who screw up and infect the inventor with promises of
vast income that will never come to pass.

As with claims...ask these investor trolls and 'representatives' WHAT
HAVE YOU OR YOUR 'GROUP' DONE? That you can show me and I can TRACK???

I didn't realize this English guy was one of them until he pulled it
with this now deceased inventor...they are as CULPABLE for suppressing
technology as anyone...by tempting and trolling inventors into bogus
deals that lock them up til they die...result....LOST TECHNOLOGY!

Its very annoying and we need to always be on our guard with such
people.  They are like vampires, using charisma, charm and fantastic
promises to fan the flames of greed in inventors who normally are quite
rational.

What sparked this are two recent events...in one, a person has technical
information from a family member...its an incredible
engine...originally, this person was willing to do a rational deal, then
went to the family lawyer who saw the promise of huge profits, convinced
this person to sign a deal with him and an engineer, none of whom have
the slightest clue how this technology works.  As a result, BESIDES the
lost +20 years since it was invented and tested, now an additional 6
years have passed with nothing coming from this technology, solely
because the lawyer and the adult kids are pressuring the parent and
possessor of the technology to wait for an offer of ENORMOUS
payment...in the hundreds of millions...puhlleeeeeze!!!

The second recent event also involves an engine which is totally
incredible and will change all form of transport when it is
marketed...unfortunately, the inventor has hooked up with the equivalent
of real estate agents, who balloon costs up far beyond their true
value...in this case, asking 300 MILLION for a license...and its not
even EXCLUSIVE!!!  That means the buyer gets a copy of the technology
and its up to THEM to put up all the money for manufacturing and
marketing...of course they haven't sold a single license and this
technology sits idle solely because of GREED!

Its frustrating that people let themselves be blinded by avarice without
limit.  Ten million invested well will bring in 2 million a year for the
rest of ones life...isn't that ENOUGH?  Are there no limits to GREED?

What do you DO with all that money?  Hedonism and personal pleasure?  I
don't see a lot of these wealthy people helping anyone except
themselves...its pathetic..

Anyway, before I get off on a rant, I'll kick the soapbox out of the way
myself and post this.

Your advice and comments are appreciated as I do think such a page is
necessary so that inventors can have a clue as to being fair and
rational in their share of an invention, realizing the further HUGE
investment the buyer/licensee must put up above and beyond what the
inventor receives.

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Hola Folks!

In the patent, these guys have reworked a formula to show how gravity
and other ambient energy fields can be incorporated to add energy to
rotary or vibrational devices. They are claiming 5kw units built on this
principle.

01/26/07 - Chinese ZPE to EM generator

http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2206

The Wang Shum Ho Prototype Electricity Generator was reportedly
demonstrated to five Chinese Officials on Jan 15, 2007. Lawrence Tseung,
a colleague of the inventor, has said the plan is to initially build
four 5kW working units. One of these will be located in Beijing, another
in Hong Kong and the third one at the United Nations in New York The
fourth unit is to serve as a portable demonstration device. All will be
made available to universities for academic validation. Then, 200 more
will be produced. They intend to present one of these to each member
country of the United Nations, as a gift from China. Mass production may
begin in 2008.

Tseung has written: Devices of this nature are converting the
electromagnetic wave energy that surrounds us all the time. Some call
this Zero Point Energy. That energy is due to the rotational motion of
the electrons. Unless the electrons stop spinning and fall into the
nucleus, that electromagnetic energy exists.

Tseung states: The World Energy Crisis is effectively over. (from
zpenergy.com)

/ We are actually immersed in electromagnetic waves. When electrons
rotating around the nucleus change orbits, they give rise to
electromagnetic waves. Light is only one form of electromagnetic waves.

We emit and receive electromagnetic waves all the time. Unless the
electrons stop rotating and fall into the nuclei, there will be
electromagnetic waves. Thus we are never in a CLOSED system. We are
always in an OPEN system with energy interchanges.

For example, we were in calm waters and good sunshine. If we did not
know how to use solar panels, we might conclude that we were in a CLOSED
system. We should use our muscle power to row the boat.

The Lee-Tseung Patent information (PCT/IB2005/000138) states that Energy
can be extracted (Lead Out, Lead Out, and Lead Out with Pulse Force)
from Energy Fields via oscillation, vibration, rotation or flux changes.

Energy Fields can be gravitational, magnetic, electric or
electromagnetic. - LEE Cheung Kin, WANG Shum Ho and TSEUNG Lawrence Chun
Ning / Email: ltseung@...
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Hola Folks!

This too is a novel 'new' discovery. I love the idea of increasing the
energy output from mitochondria to explode cancer cells which are
supposed to be borderline apoptotic anyway;

01/25/07 - Dichloroacetate (DCA) - A cheap and simple cure for cancer?

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/shortsharpscience/2007/01/cheap-and-simple-cure\
-for-cancer.html

In 1930, biochemist Otto Warburg, proposed that cells turn cancerous
through a fundamental change in the way they generate their energy.
Normally, cells use specialised organelles called mitochondria to supply
their energy.

Cancer cells shift to a process called glycolysis which takes place in
the main body of the cell. Glycolysis is an inefficient system of making
energy which normal cells employ only when oxygen is in short supply,
switching to mitochondrial energy production when oxygen levels increase.

Curiously, Warburg discovered that cancer cells continue to use
glycolysis even when oxygen is plentiful. He called this the Warburg
effect, and claimed it was common to all cancer cells.

Enter DCA, which has been used for years to treat people with
mitochondrial disease. The drug boosts the ability of mitochondria to
generate energy. When given to cancer cells it did the same: the cells
switched from glycolysis to mitochondrial energy production.

What's more, functional mitochondria help cells recognise functional
abnormalities and trigger cell death. In tests, the DCA caused cancer
cells to lose their immortality and die. When the drug was given to
rats with human tumours, the tumours shrank.

So why not rush straight into clinical trials with this drug? It is
cheap, does not appear to affect normal cells, we know its side effects,
and it should work on all cancers. There's a hitch: dichloroacetate is
an old drug and so cannot be patented.

The upshot is that pharmaceutical companies cant stop rivals making and
selling it more cheaply, so its not worth their while to go to the huge
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Good luck to the lads.

Had a look at their patent (WO2006077451A1), and it seems all to simple, but
I will not hold my breath.

It is interesting that in the patent, the inventor criticizes another
Chinese inventor and his patent in saying that he relied on Chinese
Philosophy, Western Science, and mysterious Cosmic Forces, yet this
inventor's theory and explanation for the effect is to "lead out" the
gravitational energy.

Give me a break.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Decker" <jdecker@...>
To: "Interact" <KeelyNet_Interact@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:51 PM
Subject: [KeelyNet_Interact] 5KW free energy devices extracts power from
zpe?


> Hola Folks!
>
> In the patent, these guys have reworked a formula to show how gravity
> and other ambient energy fields can be incorporated to add energy to
> rotary or vibrational devices. They are claiming 5kw units built on this
> principle.
>
> 01/26/07 - Chinese ZPE to EM generator
>
> http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2206
>
> The Wang Shum Ho Prototype Electricity Generator was reportedly
> demonstrated to five Chinese Officials on Jan 15, 2007. Lawrence Tseung,
> a colleague of the inventor, has said the plan is to initially build
> four 5kW working units. One of these will be located in Beijing, another
> in Hong Kong and the third one at the United Nations in New York The
> fourth unit is to serve as a portable demonstration device. All will be
> made available to universities for academic validation. Then, 200 more
> will be produced. They intend to present one of these to each member
> country of the United Nations, as a gift from China. Mass production may
> begin in 2008.
>
> Tseung has written: Devices of this nature are converting the
> electromagnetic wave energy that surrounds us all the time. Some call
> this Zero Point Energy. That energy is due to the rotational motion of
> the electrons. Unless the electrons stop spinning and fall into the
> nucleus, that electromagnetic energy exists.
>
> Tseung states: The World Energy Crisis is effectively over. (from
> zpenergy.com)
>
> / We are actually immersed in electromagnetic waves. When electrons
> rotating around the nucleus change orbits, they give rise to
> electromagnetic waves. Light is only one form of electromagnetic waves.
>
> We emit and receive electromagnetic waves all the time. Unless the
> electrons stop rotating and fall into the nuclei, there will be
> electromagnetic waves. Thus we are never in a CLOSED system. We are
> always in an OPEN system with energy interchanges.
>
> For example, we were in calm waters and good sunshine. If we did not
> know how to use solar panels, we might conclude that we were in a CLOSED
> system. We should use our muscle power to row the boat.
>
> The Lee-Tseung Patent information (PCT/IB2005/000138) states that Energy
> can be extracted (Lead Out, Lead Out, and Lead Out with Pulse Force)
> from Energy Fields via oscillation, vibration, rotation or flux changes.
>
> Energy Fields can be gravitational, magnetic, electric or
> electromagnetic. - LEE Cheung Kin, WANG Shum Ho and TSEUNG Lawrence Chun
> Ning / Email: ltseung@...
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Hola Darren et al!

The terms are interesting and I think he needs to better explain what he
means by them. It sounded like extracting energy from angular velocity
as with gyroscopic precessional forces...otherwise known as inertial
drives to produce directional thrust.

That would be the 'lead out with pulse force' I think.

In my opinion, there is no question the influx of gravity is a force
that can be tapped with the correct geometry or even in an electronic
circuit.  Its undeniable to watch something slide or fall from a higher
location and realize its 'being pushed'...<lol>...of course most think
its 'being pulled'...whatever...pushed works better for me, see;

http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/wright.htm

There MUST be interference of forces by anything that moves, whether
through vibration or rotation or sudden stops and restarts as with
inertial drives.

A few years ago there was a guy claiming he could extract useful energy
from the gyro forces of the earth.  I never found sufficient details
about it but some university student has an ocean wavepower buoy which
uses a gyroscope arrangement to produce electricity.  Its in the
KeelyNet news about a year ago I think. See;
------------
http://www.keelynet.com/indexjun606.htm

06/29/06 - Gyro Wave to Energy Converter

http://renewableenergylaw.blogspot.com/2005/01/students-wave-energy-invention-wi\
ns.html

Researchers and companies have been trying for decades to capture the
energy of waves to produce electric power, but the latest wave energy
invention comes from an unlikely source: Aaron Goldin, a senior at San
Dieguito High School Academy in Encinitas, California. In December,
Goldin won the $100,000 Grand Prize scholarship from the 2004-2005
Siemens Westinghouse Competition in Math, Science and Technology, the
nation's premiere high school science competition, for his invention of
the "Gyro-Gen," a gyroscope that converts ocean wave energy into
electricity. The spinning gyroscope, mounted in a buoy, resists the
movement of the waves by exerting torque on a crank, which turns an
electric generator. Goldin created his gyroscope prototypes in his
garage, scavenging an old tape recorder, answering machine, and other
household appliances for parts. "For many years, people have known that
wave energy is very powerful, but his solution using a gyroscope is
novel," he said. "We actually looked on the Web and at the patent
office, and we couldn't find any work done on this." Aaron said he
believed the gyroscope might generate electrical power from waves
because it would automatically push back against them, enabling it to
absorb wave energy. Aaron said his device is a free-floating system that
is environmentally benign. Aaron's vision soon turned into the Gyro-Gen.
It's a spinning gyroscope and power generator inside a floating buoy. As
the buoy travels over a wave, it tilts, first one way and then the
other--and this motion causes the gyro to perform a very peculiar trick,
called precession. This stunt is difficult to believe until you've seen
it, but basically what happens is that the gyro resists the rocking
motion not by tilting in the opposite direction, but by turning along an
axis that's at a 90-degree angle to the tilting force. Aaron figured the
gyro's axis-shifting action could be harnessed to move a crank that
turns a generator. But could the setup produce surplus electricity--more
than that needed to keep the gyro spinning? He built a prototype, and it
does indeed generate excess power. Aaron has applied for a patent.
------------
Gravity and magnetism are interesting in that they follow the inverse
square law.  Think of it as lines of force moving through matter. These
lines are naturally spaced a certain distance apart (though they can be
artificially compressed or expanded)...so that the surface area exposed
determines how many lines interact with the mass.

So for gravity taps, the larger the surface area, the more interaction
we have and the more energy we could extract and convert to other forces.

Joe Newman does have that interesting Gyroscopic theory claiming that
electrons, in their rotation around a nucleus, must interfere with local
gravity.  That is why he uses miles and miles of wire in EXTENDED
solenoidal forms to interact with the greatest amount of gravity 'lines'
to add velocity to the moving electrons, thus increasing their torque
and potential to generate more electricity at the output.

Like waves being SLAMMED against a beach from gradual additions of
velocity, be it from wind or additional waves or gravity or precessional
forces or even temperature differentials.

The idea as I understand it being that the electrons conflict with
gravity waves when moving upward and have gravity added energy when
moving downward (with respect to earth).

Then there are the interesting studies with pulsed reactions where the
zpe is claimed to have a kind of viscosity...a jelly like responsiveness
to sudden impulses with a recovery rate to ambience that allows for
tapping energy from this recovery...best described in the excellent
papers on the 'dilatant fluid/matrix' theory of Osborne Reynolds as
posted at;

http://www.keelynet.com/osborn/rey6.htm
http://www.keelynet.com/osborn/rey5.htm
http://www.keelynet.com/osborn/rey4.htm

Dr. Harold Aspden reported on a spin experiment using a heavy weight.
They measured how much power it took to spin a weight up to a specific
rpm from a dead stop up to full velocity then back down again to a dead
stop.

Then they measured it again, spinning up to the specific velocity but
this time on the way down, not letting it come to a full stop, but
resuming energy to again achieve the test rpm.  The energy savings was
on the order of 33%.

The idea being that aether/zpe and inertia acts like Velcro...a mass
that is not in motion is fully locked in for maximum resistance
(inertia) as with coupled velcro strips.

As you increase vibration or rotation, you are pulling the velcro strips
apart, reducing the resistance and thus reducing the energy needed to
get it to speed.

As the mass slows down, the velcro begins to recouple, restoring inertia
and resistance, etc...Hal Puthoff said he thought that was a good
explanation when I told it to him years ago.  It makes sense and fits
some of the phenomena with inertia and I think might help lead to a
practical energy tap of zpe which is the source of gravity in my
opinion. See;

http://www.keelynet.com/keely/neutral1.htm

At any rate, there are lots of little experiments which produce local
effects which might be scalable.

Perhaps these guys have figured out a practical method. 5,000 watts is a
LOT of energy from such a small unit as the guy is shown holding.  That
is 5,000/110vac = 45.45 amps, more or less.

For an automotive alternator, running at 12 volts DC;

12vdc X  50 amps = 600 watts
12vdc X 200 amps = 2400 watts

A typical genset as used in emergency power supply units to provide
120vac can produce from 1000 watts up to +10,000 watts.

So these guys might have a small workable electrical generator and even
better if it is at the least super high efficiency, at the best,
self-running from zpe or gravity coupling.

Darren wrote:
> Good luck to the lads.
>
> Had a look at their patent (WO2006077451A1), and it seems all to
> simple, but I will not hold my breath.
>
> It is interesting that in the patent, the inventor criticizes another
>  Chinese inventor and his patent in saying that he relied on Chinese
>  Philosophy, Western Science, and mysterious Cosmic Forces, yet this
>  inventor's theory and explanation for the effect is to "lead out"
> the gravitational energy.
>
> Give me a break.
>
>
>>
>> 01/26/07 - Chinese ZPE to EM generator
>>
>> http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2206
>>
>>
>> / We are actually immersed in electromagnetic waves. When electrons
>>  rotating around the nucleus change orbits, they give rise to
>> electromagnetic waves. Light is only one form of electromagnetic
>> waves.
>>
>> We emit and receive electromagnetic waves all the time. Unless the
>> electrons stop rotating and fall into the nuclei, there will be
>> electromagnetic waves. Thus we are never in a CLOSED system. We are
>>  always in an OPEN system with energy interchanges.
>>
>> For example, we were in calm waters and good sunshine. If we did
>> not know how to use solar panels, we might conclude that we were in
>> a CLOSED system. We should use our muscle power to row the boat.
>>
>> The Lee-Tseung Patent information (PCT/IB2005/000138) states that
>> Energy can be extracted (Lead Out, Lead Out, and Lead Out with
>> Pulse Force) from Energy Fields via oscillation, vibration,
>> rotation or flux changes.
>>
>> Energy Fields can be gravitational, magnetic, electric or
>> electromagnetic. - LEE Cheung Kin, WANG Shum Ho and TSEUNG Lawrence
>> Chun Ning / Email: ltseung@...
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I wonder what Newton would have said about gyroscopes and their 90
degree behaviour?  BTW rotation is a property, not a movement.  Is
rotation covered by Newton's Laws?  Of course, if you push against a
gyroscope, there's an equal and opposite force pushing back, but
what governs the gyro's behavior afterwards?  Is this also a
reaction?

--- In KeelyNet_Interact@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Decker <jdecker@...>
wrote:
>
> Hola Darren et al!
>
> The terms are interesting and I think he needs to better explain
what he
> means by them. It sounded like extracting energy from angular
velocity
> as with gyroscopic precessional forces...otherwise known as
inertial
> drives to produce directional thrust.
>
> That would be the 'lead out with pulse force' I think.
>
> In my opinion, there is no question the influx of gravity is a
force
> that can be tapped with the correct geometry or even in an
electronic
> circuit.  Its undeniable to watch something slide or fall from a
higher
> location and realize its 'being pushed'...<lol>...of course most
think
> its 'being pulled'...whatever...pushed works better for me, see;
>
> http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/wright.htm
>
> There MUST be interference of forces by anything that moves,
whether
> through vibration or rotation or sudden stops and restarts as with
> inertial drives.
>
> A few years ago there was a guy claiming he could extract useful
energy
> from the gyro forces of the earth.  I never found sufficient
details
> about it but some university student has an ocean wavepower buoy
which
> uses a gyroscope arrangement to produce electricity.  Its in the
> KeelyNet news about a year ago I think. See;
> ------------
> http://www.keelynet.com/indexjun606.htm
>
> 06/29/06 - Gyro Wave to Energy Converter
>
> http://renewableenergylaw.blogspot.com/2005/01/students-wave-
energy-invention-wins.html
>
> Researchers and companies have been trying for decades to capture
the
> energy of waves to produce electric power, but the latest wave
energy
> invention comes from an unlikely source: Aaron Goldin, a senior at
San
> Dieguito High School Academy in Encinitas, California. In
December,
> Goldin won the $100,000 Grand Prize scholarship from the 2004-2005
> Siemens Westinghouse Competition in Math, Science and Technology,
the
> nation's premiere high school science competition, for his
invention of
> the "Gyro-Gen," a gyroscope that converts ocean wave energy into
> electricity. The spinning gyroscope, mounted in a buoy, resists
the
> movement of the waves by exerting torque on a crank, which turns
an
> electric generator. Goldin created his gyroscope prototypes in his
> garage, scavenging an old tape recorder, answering machine, and
other
> household appliances for parts. "For many years, people have known
that
> wave energy is very powerful, but his solution using a gyroscope
is
> novel," he said. "We actually looked on the Web and at the patent
> office, and we couldn't find any work done on this." Aaron said he
> believed the gyroscope might generate electrical power from waves
> because it would automatically push back against them, enabling it
to
> absorb wave energy. Aaron said his device is a free-floating
system that
> is environmentally benign. Aaron's vision soon turned into the
Gyro-Gen.
> It's a spinning gyroscope and power generator inside a floating
buoy. As
> the buoy travels over a wave, it tilts, first one way and then the
> other--and this motion causes the gyro to perform a very peculiar
trick,
> called precession. This stunt is difficult to believe until you've
seen
> it, but basically what happens is that the gyro resists the
rocking
> motion not by tilting in the opposite direction, but by turning
along an
> axis that's at a 90-degree angle to the tilting force. Aaron
figured the
> gyro's axis-shifting action could be harnessed to move a crank
that
> turns a generator. But could the setup produce surplus electricity-
-more
> than that needed to keep the gyro spinning? He built a prototype,
and it
> does indeed generate excess power. Aaron has applied for a patent.
> ------------
> Gravity and magnetism are interesting in that they follow the
inverse
> square law.  Think of it as lines of force moving through matter.
These
> lines are naturally spaced a certain distance apart (though they
can be
> artificially compressed or expanded)...so that the surface area
exposed
> determines how many lines interact with the mass.
>
> So for gravity taps, the larger the surface area, the more
interaction
> we have and the more energy we could extract and convert to other
forces.
>
> Joe Newman does have that interesting Gyroscopic theory claiming
that
> electrons, in their rotation around a nucleus, must interfere with
local
> gravity.  That is why he uses miles and miles of wire in EXTENDED
> solenoidal forms to interact with the greatest amount of
gravity 'lines'
> to add velocity to the moving electrons, thus increasing their
torque
> and potential to generate more electricity at the output.
>
> Like waves being SLAMMED against a beach from gradual additions of
> velocity, be it from wind or additional waves or gravity or
precessional
> forces or even temperature differentials.
>
> The idea as I understand it being that the electrons conflict with
> gravity waves when moving upward and have gravity added energy
when
> moving downward (with respect to earth).
>
> Then there are the interesting studies with pulsed reactions where
the
> zpe is claimed to have a kind of viscosity...a jelly like
responsiveness
> to sudden impulses with a recovery rate to ambience that allows
for
> tapping energy from this recovery...best described in the
excellent
> papers on the 'dilatant fluid/matrix' theory of Osborne Reynolds
as
> posted at;
>
> http://www.keelynet.com/osborn/rey6.htm
> http://www.keelynet.com/osborn/rey5.htm
> http://www.keelynet.com/osborn/rey4.htm
>
> Dr. Harold Aspden reported on a spin experiment using a heavy
weight.
> They measured how much power it took to spin a weight up to a
specific
> rpm from a dead stop up to full velocity then back down again to a
dead
> stop.
>
> Then they measured it again, spinning up to the specific velocity
but
> this time on the way down, not letting it come to a full stop, but
> resuming energy to again achieve the test rpm.  The energy savings
was
> on the order of 33%.
>
> The idea being that aether/zpe and inertia acts like Velcro...a
mass
> that is not in motion is fully locked in for maximum resistance
> (inertia) as with coupled velcro strips.
>
> As you increase vibration or rotation, you are pulling the velcro
strips
> apart, reducing the resistance and thus reducing the energy needed
to
> get it to speed.
>
> As the mass slows down, the velcro begins to recouple, restoring
inertia
> and resistance, etc...Hal Puthoff said he thought that was a good
> explanation when I told it to him years ago.  It makes sense and
fits
> some of the phenomena with inertia and I think might help lead to
a
> practical energy tap of zpe which is the source of gravity in my
> opinion. See;
>
> http://www.keelynet.com/keely/neutral1.htm
>
> At any rate, there are lots of little experiments which produce
local
> effects which might be scalable.
>
> Perhaps these guys have figured out a practical method. 5,000
watts is a
> LOT of energy from such a small unit as the guy is shown holding.
That
> is 5,000/110vac = 45.45 amps, more or less.
>
> For an automotive alternator, running at 12 volts DC;
>
> 12vdc X  50 amps = 600 watts
> 12vdc X 200 amps = 2400 watts
>
> A typical genset as used in emergency power supply units to
provide
> 120vac can produce from 1000 watts up to +10,000 watts.
>
> So these guys might have a small workable electrical generator and
even
> better if it is at the least super high efficiency, at the best,
> self-running from zpe or gravity coupling.
>
> Darren wrote:
> > Good luck to the lads.
> >
> > Had a look at their patent (WO2006077451A1), and it seems all to
> > simple, but I will not hold my breath.
> >
> > It is interesting that in the patent, the inventor criticizes
another
> >  Chinese inventor and his patent in saying that he relied on
Chinese
> >  Philosophy, Western Science, and mysterious Cosmic Forces, yet
this
> >  inventor's theory and explanation for the effect is to "lead
out"
> > the gravitational energy.
> >
> > Give me a break.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> 01/26/07 - Chinese ZPE to EM generator
> >>
> >> http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?
name=News&file=article&sid=2206
> >>
> >>
> >> / We are actually immersed in electromagnetic waves. When
electrons
> >>  rotating around the nucleus change orbits, they give rise to
> >> electromagnetic waves. Light is only one form of electromagnetic
> >> waves.
> >>
> >> We emit and receive electromagnetic waves all the time. Unless
the
> >> electrons stop rotating and fall into the nuclei, there will be
> >> electromagnetic waves. Thus we are never in a CLOSED system. We
are
> >>  always in an OPEN system with energy interchanges.
> >>
> >> For example, we were in calm waters and good sunshine. If we did
> >> not know how to use solar panels, we might conclude that we
were in
> >> a CLOSED system. We should use our muscle power to row the boat.
> >>
> >> The Lee-Tseung Patent information (PCT/IB2005/000138) states
that
> >> Energy can be extracted (Lead Out, Lead Out, and Lead Out with
> >> Pulse Force) from Energy Fields via oscillation, vibration,
> >> rotation or flux changes.
> >>
> >> Energy Fields can be gravitational, magnetic, electric or
> >> electromagnetic. - LEE Cheung Kin, WANG Shum Ho and TSEUNG
Lawrence
> >> Chun Ning / Email: ltseung@...
> ---
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Hi, Jerry

One thing you should have on your Inventor's Advice page is a sample
non-disclosure non-use form.  From the stories you tell, You should
be my Business Advisor.

I must say, though, that I was disappointed in your old Proof of
Principle page.  I never could find anywhere to post a video.  (I
work with Inertial Propulsion.)  I guess it's all as well, since you
seem to have backtracked a little on the issue of Open Sourcing,
since someone you knew took a freely disclosed technology and locked
it up with his own patent.  -JV


--- In KeelyNet_Interact@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Decker <jdecker@...>
wrote:
>
> Hola Folks!
>
> I want to work up a webpage that shows inventors what investors
have to
> put forth in ADDITION to what the inventor wants for his/her cut.
> Generally, inventors make 5% OR LESS for their invention.
> --------------
> http://www.inventor-mentor.com/articles/?show=licensing
>
> What percentage can I expect as a royalty?
>
> Generally something between one and ten percent. For a mass-
produced
> consumer item for which competition is fierce, most likely the
royalty
> will be close to one percent. For fad items that will have a
limited
> life, and for which there is little or no competition, you may get
as
> much as ten percent. Most inventions license for around five
percent or
> less.
>
> Will I get an up-front lump sum?
>
> A large corporation may feel that an advance on royalties is fair,
and
> pay something like $10,000 up front. A smaller company may want to
> preserve its cash for tooling and market launch expense, and work
> strictly on the agreed percent paid quarterly. In any case you
should
> stipulate a reasonable minimum annual payment or the licensee
can "sit
> on your invention," and have little incentive to get it to the
market.
>
> An up-front payment is nearly always an advance on royalties, not
a
> bonus in addition to royalties.
> --------------
> Personally I think 5% is a bit low but it depends on the device
and how
> well it sells and over how many years to allow not only payback
for the
> investor(s) but also some reasonable profit.
>
> I get a lot of theories and ideas, some claiming it will work, yet
the
> claimant won't put up the time or effort ON THEIR OWN to build
it...I
> suspect because they don't have confidence in action, but they do
have
> confidence in words...words are useless if it can't be translated
to
> hardware or useful applications.
>
> The idea is to have a page that can be referenced for potential
> inventors to read BEFORE they start asking for billions of dollars
for
> their automatic toilet seat closer or super widget (of course I
don't
> give a flip about that kind of stuff, its energy, gravity and
healing
> for me).
>
> Its very annoying to see how easily some inventors are swayed by
> lawyers, family, etc...into demanding incredible amounts of money
for
> something that has not even been proven or tested in the real
world to
> show that it has potential (pun intended).
>
> As an assist to inventors, I wrote this up years ago so that I
could
> point them to it FIRST without having to rehash the points over
and over
> in endless replies;
>
> http://www.keelynet.com/sources/assist.htm
>
> No doubt it can be improved, but its a start.
>
> An example of what I mean by inventors LOSING IT by demanding tons
of
> money...some of you, my longtime friends and associates will
remember
> this because you WERE THERE;
>
> Roughly 15 years ago, Jack, a longtime friend notified me of a
letter to
> the editor in a Dallas paper claiming there was no energy crisis,
that
> he had invented a thermodynamic air turbine which produced 30,000
watts.
>   I found a copy of the 3 day old paper and called the paper to
get
> contact info for this inventor...turns out he lived about 10
blocks from
> my house.
>
> Called him up, we talked about 3 hours...nice guy...invited him to
lunch
> at his favorite cafeteria...we met and talked another 3 hours...I
told
> about 40 of our friends about this and arranged for him to give a
> presentation.
>
> He did a superb job that made it all as clear as it could be...we
were
> duly impressed and I kick myself for not having videotaped that
> presentation...it was about 3 hours and everyone was spellbound
because
> this engineer wove so many points together so effortlessly,
showing the
> faulty thermodynamics laws and how they could be used to make a
> self-running device.
>
> This was basically an air version of the Clem engine;
>
> http://www.keelynet.com/energy/clem1.htm
>
> and arrived at totally independently.  This guy had worked as an
> engineer for a company who owned his over 50 patents.  He was now
> retired and tinkered in his 2 car garage building custom turbine
blades
> and devices.
>
> He told us at the presentation that his machine had some kind of
> mechanical problem which I don't recall at the moment, but that he
> needed about $50,000 to repair it so he could demonstrate it to us.
>
> Several of us agreed to put up the money for the demo unit and we
could
> find financing for further development if it worked as he
claimed.  He
> was very happy with the offer of the $50,000 and said it would
repair
> his machine and more for a demonstration.  One doctor friend was
writing
> a check for $5,000, which I told him not to give the guy just yet
> because none of us had even seen his workshop or anything.
>
> The inventor was super paranoid...he put wax on his door frame
with his
> thumbprint saying the government and/or big oil enters his house
when he
> is gone to check on his work...says he found things rearranged or
> missing but no sign of entry other than the broken hidden wax seal
when
> he returned home.
>
> Unfortunately, I invited to this presentation a 'friend' from
England
> who I met at a conference in Georgia. He claimed to represent
hundreds
> of millions of dollars...yeah, right...he turned out to be just
another
> butterfly trying to get in with inventors...
>
> The inventor invented me and this butterfly managed to wangle an
> invite...so we went to the guys workshop and turbines of all types
were
> hanging from the ceiling and on the shelves..with an engine about
3 foot
> X 3 foot hanging from chains from the ceiling...he said it wasn't
> self-running as it needed a repaired seal...but he hooked it up to
a
> 220V 3 phase motor which spun it up as a simulation...whoopeee!
But the
> guy was for real about his having put a lot of work into this.
>
> The butterfly kept after the inventor offering first a million,
then 10
> million and all the way up to 50 million dollars...the inventors
eyes
> looked like a slot machine clicking off dollars.
>
> I knew this butterfly guy was a joke and a conman, so told him to
shut
> the hell up...he'd never DONE a damn thing and was screwing up
this deal
> with pure bullshit...but the inventor was hooked...I warned him DO
NOT
> get involved with this guy, he is lying and just trying to get you
to
> hand over some of your material...but to no avail.
>
> I reminded the inventor, WE HAD THE $50,000 NOW in our little
group to
> get his machine running again...but no joy, his greed was in full
> bloom...I also told him if he believes this idiot and makes a deal
he
> would regret it later when nothing happened and I'd wash my hands
of the
> entire thing.
>
> So I walked out and never contacted either of them again...perhaps
6
> years later, I happened to see the inventor in a local
cafeteria...he
> was older and much more worn and tired...I asked him how did his
big
> investor go...he said he wished he had listened to me...he said
the
> butterfly trolled him along for about 2 years and got a few papers
but
> not the secret...he said he never got A DIME from this guy and
realized
> it was a losing deal so got out of it. I asked him if he wanted to
> resume our deal and he said he couldn't because he had signed
papers
> with this butterfly guy so couldn't work with anyone else.  So sad
to
> hear this...we shook hands, I wished him luck, he looked forlorn
and beaten.
>
> After moving to Mexico, I decided to look him up on a trip back to
the
> states...his house had been sold and the garage torn down....I
checked
> the death index and he had died about 1999 with all his secrets
and
> prototypes lost.
>
> Why was all this lost?  Because of GREED.
>
> Inventors need to be made aware of how they need to work with REAL
> investors, not sign deals that aren't totally clear cut about
payment,
> how much and when...not some fantasy dream of hundreds of millions
that
> never pays a dime yet locks them into a contract for life.
>
> So what I'm asking are some guidelines to demonstrate what
investors
> have to pay IN ADDITION to the money paid to the inventor.
>
> The investor(s) will have to pay for things like;
>
> 1) the patent search to be sure the invention wasn't stolen,
copied or
> covered in a patent that was still in force
> 2) searching extant literature to insure no conflict which might
result
> in later legal challenges
> 3) development to optimize the invention and come up with viable
> applications for it which would extend sales
> 4) packaging of the invention
> 5) compliance with safety and government regulations
> 6) funding the factory, workstaff, technicians, management,
operating costs
> 7) tooling and fitting out for manufacturing
> 8) advertising and marketing costs
> 9) distribution costs
>
> Other factors come into play which would ameliorate these costs
> somewhat...such as licensing or franchising the rights for others
to
> manufacture and sell the invention.
>
> But it all amounts to a huge investment that I think many
inventors
> don't have a clue about...and something they need to SERIOUSLY
CONSIDER
> before demanding huge payment for their idea.
>
> Granted, without the idea, none of the rest will follow...but how
many
> devices and new technology has been LOST because of excessive
greed,
> paranoia or control (ego) issues?
>
> What is more important to you, as an inventor...hoping to get
fabulously
> wealthy and risking never seeing your invention marketed and in
use, or
> lowering your expectations to something realistic which will make
you
> secure and more for the remainder of your life AND see your
invention in
> use all over the world?
>
> We also need to warn people about these investor trolls like this
> English butterfly who screw up and infect the inventor with
promises of
> vast income that will never come to pass.
>
> As with claims...ask these investor trolls and 'representatives'
WHAT
> HAVE YOU OR YOUR 'GROUP' DONE? That you can show me and I can
TRACK???
>
> I didn't realize this English guy was one of them until he pulled
it
> with this now deceased inventor...they are as CULPABLE for
suppressing
> technology as anyone...by tempting and trolling inventors into
bogus
> deals that lock them up til they die...result....LOST TECHNOLOGY!
>
> Its very annoying and we need to always be on our guard with such
> people.  They are like vampires, using charisma, charm and
fantastic
> promises to fan the flames of greed in inventors who normally are
quite
> rational.
>
> What sparked this are two recent events...in one, a person has
technical
> information from a family member...its an incredible
> engine...originally, this person was willing to do a rational
deal, then
> went to the family lawyer who saw the promise of huge profits,
convinced
> this person to sign a deal with him and an engineer, none of whom
have
> the slightest clue how this technology works.  As a result,
BESIDES the
> lost +20 years since it was invented and tested, now an additional
6
> years have passed with nothing coming from this technology, solely
> because the lawyer and the adult kids are pressuring the parent
and
> possessor of the technology to wait for an offer of ENORMOUS
> payment...in the hundreds of millions...puhlleeeeeze!!!
>
> The second recent event also involves an engine which is totally
> incredible and will change all form of transport when it is
> marketed...unfortunately, the inventor has hooked up with the
equivalent
> of real estate agents, who balloon costs up far beyond their true
> value...in this case, asking 300 MILLION for a license...and its
not
> even EXCLUSIVE!!!  That means the buyer gets a copy of the
technology
> and its up to THEM to put up all the money for manufacturing and
> marketing...of course they haven't sold a single license and this
> technology sits idle solely because of GREED!
>
> Its frustrating that people let themselves be blinded by avarice
without
> limit.  Ten million invested well will bring in 2 million a year
for the
> rest of ones life...isn't that ENOUGH?  Are there no limits to
GREED?
>
> What do you DO with all that money?  Hedonism and personal
pleasure?  I
> don't see a lot of these wealthy people helping anyone except
> themselves...its pathetic..
>
> Anyway, before I get off on a rant, I'll kick the soapbox out of
the way
> myself and post this.
>
> Your advice and comments are appreciated as I do think such a page
is
> necessary so that inventors can have a clue as to being fair and
> rational in their share of an invention, realizing the further
HUGE
> investment the buyer/licensee must put up above and beyond what
the
> inventor receives.
>
> --
> =====================================================
>      from Jerry Decker @ http://www.keelynet.com
>     Order out of Chaos - From an Art to a Science
>    Donations : http://www.keelynet.com/donate1.htm
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> =====================================================
>

Hi Jerry.... and Jerry,
    First allow me to say thanks for continuing the Keelynet attitude, and the
chance to participate. Second, as an interested party in inertial drives I have
a design to share that has recently come to mind. I don't know if it has or
hasn't been thought of previously but here goes....
     In my younger and more aggressive years I studied the martial arts and
became interested in the nun-chucks (sp?) ... they are spun by holding one stick
in your hand and spinning the other. One of the first exercises to learn is the
figure 8 or the infinity insignia. Ok, here is the difficult part to
envision.... use 2 sets, spin one set with the right hand, and one with the left
hand in the opposite rotation, ...simple enough so far (well, mentally anyhow
..lol). Next picture the figure 8 as being bent at a 90 degree angle in the
center so that half the rotation takes place in a horizontal plane and the other
half of rotation takes place in a vertical plane. While spinning both sets in
opposite rotation of one another, picture the two vertical movements as face to
face with regards to each other and the horizontal movement as a reguaging step.
While the rotations of vertical are opposite they cancel each others yaw effect,
while still delivering thrust in a concerted direction and while at horizontal
they do not cancel directional drive. A simple and age old (4th dynasty?)
concept to deliver directional thrust on a pulse setting. Each vertical phase
would allow 50%  duty cycle thrust, or if you had 2 pair working at opposing
timings you could have 100% duty cycle with the thrust in space being
cumulative.
    I hope I've explained it easily enough to be understood. I'd be interested in
your thoughts.
     Again, gooood to be here and goood to hear from you guys!
                                                                    kind regards,
                                                                    Chuck Farrar





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Hi, Chuck.

You're thinking pretty good.  First of all, when the sticks change
directions - from horizontal to vertical - the previous motion
disappears and the inertia starts over from scratch.  This means
that torque will manifest for the first 30 degrees of rotation in
the new plane, then centrifugal force will begin acting.  This is
true since you're using two counter ballanced, opposing systems.
The sticks will tend to move in basically the same direction for the
first 30 degrees, then will move in opposite directions.  -JV

--- In KeelyNet_Interact@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Farrar"
<psymund@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jerry.... and Jerry,
>    First allow me to say thanks for continuing the Keelynet
attitude, and the chance to participate. Second, as an interested
party in inertial drives I have a design to share that has recently
come to mind. I don't know if it has or hasn't been thought of
previously but here goes....
>     In my younger and more aggressive years I studied the martial
arts and became interested in the nun-chucks (sp?) ... they are spun
by holding one stick in your hand and spinning the other. One of the
first exercises to learn is the figure 8 or the infinity insignia.
Ok, here is the difficult part to envision.... use 2 sets, spin one
set with the right hand, and one with the left hand in the opposite
rotation, ...simple enough so far (well, mentally anyhow ..lol).
Next picture the figure 8 as being bent at a 90 degree angle in the
center so that half the rotation takes place in a horizontal plane
and the other half of rotation takes place in a vertical plane.
While spinning both sets in opposite rotation of one another,
picture the two vertical movements as face to face with regards to
each other and the horizontal movement as a reguaging step. While
the rotations of vertical are opposite they cancel each others yaw
effect, while still delivering thrust in a concerted direction and
while at horizontal they do not cancel directional drive. A simple
and age old (4th dynasty?) concept to deliver directional thrust on
a pulse setting. Each vertical phase would allow 50%  duty cycle
thrust, or if you had 2 pair working at opposing timings you could
have 100% duty cycle with the thrust in space being cumulative.
>    I hope I've explained it easily enough to be understood. I'd be
interested in your thoughts.
>     Again, gooood to be here and goood to hear from you guys!
>
kind regards,
>
Chuck Farrar
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Chuck,

I've been studying Inertial Propulsion for over 40 years and your
system is one of the best I've seen.  It doesn't even need a motor
for things like Astronaut Personal Positioning.  Next time I'm in
California, I'll try it on a small boat.  There's a Yahoo Group
which deals with Space Sports which might be interested in the
concept.

Jerry

--- In KeelyNet_Interact@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Volland"
<jerryvolland@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Chuck.
>
> You're thinking pretty good.  First of all, when the sticks change
> directions - from horizontal to vertical - the previous motion
> disappears and the inertia starts over from scratch.  This means
> that torque will manifest for the first 30 degrees of rotation in
> the new plane, then centrifugal force will begin acting.  This is
> true since you're using two counter ballanced, opposing systems.
> The sticks will tend to move in basically the same direction for
the
> first 30 degrees, then will move in opposite directions.  -JV
>
> --- In KeelyNet_Interact@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Farrar"
> <psymund@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jerry.... and Jerry,
> >    First allow me to say thanks for continuing the Keelynet
> attitude, and the chance to participate. Second, as an interested
> party in inertial drives I have a design to share that has
recently
> come to mind. I don't know if it has or hasn't been thought of
> previously but here goes....
> >     In my younger and more aggressive years I studied the
martial
> arts and became interested in the nun-chucks (sp?) ... they are
spun
> by holding one stick in your hand and spinning the other. One of
the
> first exercises to learn is the figure 8 or the infinity insignia.
> Ok, here is the difficult part to envision.... use 2 sets, spin
one
> set with the right hand, and one with the left hand in the
opposite
> rotation, ...simple enough so far (well, mentally anyhow ..lol).
> Next picture the figure 8 as being bent at a 90 degree angle in
the
> center so that half the rotation takes place in a horizontal plane
> and the other half of rotation takes place in a vertical plane.
> While spinning both sets in opposite rotation of one another,
> picture the two vertical movements as face to face with regards to
> each other and the horizontal movement as a reguaging step. While
> the rotations of vertical are opposite they cancel each others yaw
> effect, while still delivering thrust in a concerted direction and
> while at horizontal they do not cancel directional drive. A simple
> and age old (4th dynasty?) concept to deliver directional thrust
on
> a pulse setting. Each vertical phase would allow 50%  duty cycle
> thrust, or if you had 2 pair working at opposing timings you could
> have 100% duty cycle with the thrust in space being cumulative.
> >    I hope I've explained it easily enough to be understood. I'd
be
> interested in your thoughts.
> >     Again, gooood to be here and goood to hear from you guys!
>
>
> kind regards,
>
>
> Chuck Farrar
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Hi JV,
    Thanks much for the positive review on the inertial drive design. I can't
claim propriety to the design being that nunchucks have been around forever it
seems but if it works for you you're welcome to it. Recognition is nice but I'm
comfortable giving it to you, enjoy.
    You still have several obstacles to overcome such as vibration, balance and
then there's the drive mechanism that allows it to operate in those planes and
at that timing. No small task in itself. I appreciate you feel it bears merit
but the hardest part may still be in your hands. Good luck.
                                                                                                       
my kind regards,
                                                                                                       
Chuck Farrar


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Hello Jerry and all keelynet members at this new site.

I found this intriguing announcement yesterday.  A machine that
develops your psychic abilities.  With good results even from a brief
session!    The price seems to be $800.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mind-l/message/33504

Many Mind-L readers will be familiar with a technology developed by
Dr. M.A. Persinger and Stan Koren of Laurentian university's
Behavioral
Neurosciences program. This technology has been called "The octopus",
referring to it's eight channel output. It has appeared in a couple of
documentaries about psychic perception.

The octopus is an example of Circumcerebral Neural Stimulation,
meaning that
it circles magnetic fields around your head. In published studies, the
octopus has been found to enhance remote viewing skills as well as
elicit
psychic perceptions from people not trained in psychic skills.
You can read about these experiments here: http://tinyurl.com/259o7y

Photos of the original Octopus can be seen here:
http://tinyurl.com/2976wo


In unpublished lab work, one session design has been found to increase
several kinds of esoteric skills. Circumcerebral Neural stimulation
offers
the first Mind Machines that rely on interfering with the front-to-
back
movement of the brain's "binding factor", also called "The forty Hertz
component".

The speeds at which the binding Factor Moves, and at which the
magnetic fields
revolve is such that the brain responds with enhanced theta activity,
and
the disinhibition of right hemispheric (and right hippocampal)
functions.
In other words, this class of brain stimulation technology elicits
theta
activity without using theta stimulation. Instead, it coaxes the
brain into
theta activity using the same kinds of processes that the brain uses
to
create it organically.

The website for Shiva has some discussion about how to use it to
elicit
and/or enhance psychic skills. For this posting, suffice it to say
that the
process takes time. It's also dependent on the geomagnetic
environment at
the time you do sessions.

Shiva has the session design used in the published studies, as well as
others that utilize the signals used with Shakti, another magnetic
mind
machine from the same manufacturer.

Shiva requires a PC to operate, and there is no Mac version. Shiva
relies
on four USB sound devices, so there is more to running it on a mac
than just
having an emulator.

Shiva requires about three times the amount of hardware needed for the
8-Coil Shakti, and costs about three times as much, making it the most
expensive complex magnetic technology available so far.

The other devices from the same manufacturer are focused on spiritual
experiences, including the after-effects of spiritual practice.

Shiva is not.

Shiva is designed specifically for psychic (PSI) effects.

The website for Shiva is a bit sparse, but not because any
information is
being withheld. When you go to the site, you should look at
the "Online
Software Demo" - that's where most of the information is to be found,
including instructions for setting up the hardware. Shiva uses four
USB
sound devices, so setting up is no small matter, though it's not
difficult
to do.

Todd Murphy
www.spiritualbrain.com

See photo and main site here

http://www.shaktitechnology.com/shiva/index.htm

Mr Murphy works with some fascinating technology. I ordered a Shakti
coil from him few years ago, but never got up the nerve to use it and
I sold it a while back.  I can assure you if I decide to get this I
WILL use it. Also even though he says it takes time for psychic
enhancement, you will note that in the lab trials good results were
gotten in one quick session.

                 Trevor

(lotto, did someone just say lotto?)

Hi, Chuck.

Thanks for Open Sourcing your technique.  The beauty of your system
is that it doesn't need a motor.  I've seen the power the nunchukas
can produce in the hands of a master.  Once again, I feel that this
movement technique will be used in space.  I'll certainly pass it
on, but I don't intend to build a motorized version.  I have enough
working prototypes sitting around already that I don't build
something different unless a design is more simple in some way than
what I've chosen to use.  Your design is simplicity itself, just the
way the sticks are.  Complex timing relating to reverse tips and non
planar snaps are a skill an operator can develope proficiency in,
without a complex mechanism, additional weight or a power source.

JV

--- In KeelyNet_Interact@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Farrar"
<psymund@...> wrote:
>
> Hi JV,
>    Thanks much for the positive review on the inertial drive
design. I can't claim propriety to the design being that nunchucks
have been around forever it seems but if it works for you you're
welcome to it. Recognition is nice but I'm comfortable giving it to
you, enjoy.
>    You still have several obstacles to overcome such as vibration,
balance and then there's the drive mechanism that allows it to
operate in those planes and at that timing. No small task in itself.
I appreciate you feel it bears merit but the hardest part may still
be in your hands. Good luck.
>
                                     my kind regards,
>
                                     Chuck Farrar
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hola Folks!

This guy has a video and patent claiming he recharges his car from wind
as it runs;

01/31/07 - Video - Wind force driven Car

United States Patent Application 20060061105 - Yun; Seok Il March 23,
2006 - Wind electricity vehicle - Abstract The car runs on twelve DC 12
volt batteries. One battery is 12 volt and 145 Ampere. So the total
equals up to 144 volts and 1740 Ampere. We use a DC motor from 120-144
volts. The car starts from 450 Ampere to 500 Ampere. While it's moving
it forms 200-250 Ampere. From this description it travels about a full
distance of 1-2 hours.

As the car runs it generates energy from the four wheels which is
connected to the generators and the generator runs from the wind. From
the back two wheels it creates 72 volts and from the two wheels in the
front it creates 24 volts. All together it creates 96 volts. From the
wind it creates 48-60 volts. Every 12 volts it creates 250 ampere.

We can control how much ever energy can be produced depending on the
wind and the wheels, also the size of the car. / "Once fully charged it
never needs charging again". / [0004] Let me explain my concept.

/ [0005] 1. We start "forever" with a battery. It has four wheels with a
belt connected to each one. Each of these four belts connected to four
generators. With one rotation of all four wheels each generators spin 20
times which adds up to 80 times peroration of the wheels which allows
the generators to produce large amounts of electricity to recharge the
battery. This allows me to recycle 30% to 40% of the electricity which
is needed.

/ [0006] 2. Let's use natural power. The vehicle uses wind to propel
itself. / [0007] 20 mph speed makes 20 mph wind / [0008] 50 mph speed
makes 50 mph wind / [0009] 100 mph speed makes 100 mph wind.

/ [0010] I also have a fan which is connected to another generator. All
of them generated electricity goes to the main battery to continue to
produce energy. There are several generators attached from the front to
the bottom of the car and 20 to 30 more on top of the car. We can create
momentum and energy from the wind. From the wheels I can recover 30% to
40% of the energy used from the remaining generators. I can recover up
to 150% more energy.

When the vehicle travels over 10 mph, electricity is created by the
wind. When in traffic or during turning points the energy is created
from the wheel. So this concept always creates electricity. If we use
this "Forever" concept without gas or charging battery, we can use this
forever.
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Hola Folks!

Anyone have anymore information about this?;

01/31/07 - Video - Claims of a self-running Generator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjw88P2cPyQ

There isn't any information on the page to show what is going on, only
this; "The first run of the self-made genset for the Energie.." It
appears to be something like a hydrogen reactor or perhaps a Joe cell
running a 4 cylinder engine. It also shows what look like two pumps that
are blowing air as one guy tests to verify intake.
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Hola Folks!

Interesting claim of device to make ethanol from seawater;

01/30/07 - Ocean Ethanol - Seawater to Ethanol Reactor

http://www.oceanethanol.com/

Last year, an investor partially funded some research that created Ocean
Ethanol and it's CO2 conversion activities. Much of our research was
based on the works of Professor Inui and the basic experiments performed
by Paul Sabatier over 100 years ago.

Paul Sabatier (1912 Nobel Prize for work in organic chemistry) found
that when you combine CO2 and Hydrogen over a nickel catalyst, you could
produce methane. He was the founder of metal hydrogenation catalysts,
which gives us many of the products we use today such as margarine, oil
hydrogenation and synthetic methanol.

Where do we get CO2? There is currently a CO2 pipeline infrastructure in
the USA, Canada and many European countries. The current use is for
enhanced oil recovery, where it's pumped back into the ground to boost
oil production.

In Norway, a pipeline was built to sequester CO2 back into the ocean. In
addition, there are currently membrane filters that allow us to pump
sea-water through a device that separates out the CO2. This is done on a
large scale with reverse osmosis desalination plants where the CO2 is
usually put back into the drinking water.

Using CO2 and hydrogen as the feedstocks, we were able to prove that you
can make ethanol from the combination of the gases over a Fischer
Tropsch catalyst. Our investor stopped the funding, we we realized that
H2 was a necessary component.

The byproducts of the reaction were CO (Carbon Monoxide), methanol,
acetic acid, oxygenates and water. During one of the experiments, there
was one which resulted in a very high output of methanol. Upon further
investigation, we realized that by using CO2, CO and H2 as the
feedstocks, we could have a effective way to produce methanol.

On a small scale, we calculated we could have a process that was 98
percent efficient in the conversion of CO2 to methanol. This process has
a lot of promise. Patent Number: 7,146,999 Modular Fluid Handling Device
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Hola Folks!

This reminds me of the Schaeffer hydraulic pressure to steam system;

01/30/07 - Water Manipulation Motor

http://www.waterengine.com.au/How.htm

The function of the water engine is based on the fact that the rapid
compression of air in a cylinder creates a temperature of 5000C.

The means of using the said air to boil water and implode hydrogen
created by electrolysis, is as follows: 1. A four cycled fossil fuel
compression engine is converted to water by insertion of a steel gasket
in the cylinder head. 2. The gasket is designed with built in electronic
valves to hold compressed 5000C air and oxygen in the cylinder head
chamber after the piston reaches top dead centre. Thus, the piston
descends leaving a vacuous area above it, 900C water is injected into
the said vacuous area and vaporises. Simultaneously, hydrogen, produced
by electrolysis as the engine functions, is similarly injected. 3. Next
the electronic valve opens, releasing the 5000C air, expanding the
vapour and imploding the hydrogen.

Briefly, the functions are as follows: Cycle 1 - Air and oxygen intake /
Cycle 2 - Air and oxygen rapidly compressed to T.O.C. / Cycle 3 - 5000C
air is released upon hydrogen and water vapour, igniting hydrogen and
expanding vapour. Cycle 4 - Exhaust. After vapour is used, it is
condensed and re-used.

- International Patent Application PCT/AU2005/000770
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Hola Folks!

Sorry, forgot to include the video link so you can see them driving this
thing around Houston, where the inventor lives;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkcn8ZkvKKc

Jerry Decker wrote:
>
>
> Hola Folks!
>
> This guy has a video and patent claiming he recharges his car from
> wind as it runs;
>
> 01/31/07 - Video - Wind force driven Car
>
> United States Patent Application 20060061105 - Yun; Seok Il March 23,
>  2006 - Wind electricity vehicle - Abstract The car runs on twelve DC
> 12 volt batteries. One battery is 12 volt and 145 Ampere. So the
> total equals up to 144 volts and 1740 Ampere. We use a DC motor from
> 120-144 volts. The car starts from 450 Ampere to 500 Ampere. While
> it's moving it forms 200-250 Ampere. From this description it travels
> about a full distance of 1-2 hours.

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