--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, "Grump" <fuelg44@...> wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "loyal_barber" <loyal_barber@...>
>
> >> <snip>
> > Glad to hear things are better.  I am going to have to study your
> > issue of not being able to see things from the Mint computer.  BTW,
> > many others recommended doing this from the command line and to
> > an extent, they are correct.  Getting into the command line is a
> > good thing all said.  However, since this is a newbies list and
> > since the system-config-samba tool works SO well, I just don't see
> > the point for what you wanted and given that you are a brand new
> > convert.  I do hope that you find Mint as good as I have.  I run
> > several machines with CentOS and one Ubuntu.  On my traveling and
> > working machine, my laptop, I run Mint.  It just works beautifully.
> >
> > Loyal
>
> Hi loyal,
> I'm afraid the syntax required in using the command line is mostly still
> well over my head at this point
> however I'm very impressed with all the features I've discovered in Mint so
> far.
> Managed to get virtualbox running with XP this evening so I still have
> access to those items not available in Linux.
> Also trying to come to grips with Thunderbird as a replacement for OE.
> Steep learning curve at present but I'm actually doing more now on this
> spare Mint box now than on my main PC!
> Thanks again for your assistance.
> G.
>
   Loyal got me into Mint also and I love the hell out of it!  One keeps hearing
that "Linux isn't ready for the desktop" or such but I believe that Mint (and
other *buntu derivatives) make this a difficult statement to defend.  I found
Vista to be much more alien (after using XP) than Mint, and the amount of drive
space I saved by dumping Vista was unbelievable!
   Cogito ergo Linux,
   Mark

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 12:13:55PM +1100, Grump wrote:
>
> > Scott Robbins wrote
>
> I like Puppy & Ubuntu but ran into multiple 'too hard sessions' in setting
> them up to my requirements.
> So far I've found Mint has been much easier.

Each distribution has its good and bad points.  My biggest problem with
Mint is that since the head developer requested that those who support
Israel don't use it, I don't feel comfortable using it.


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Cordelia: I came over here to tell Buffy to stop this
craziness, and
found you all unconscious--again. How many times have you been
knocked out, anyway? I swear, one of these times, you're going
to wake up in a coma.
Giles: Wake up in a...? Oh, never mind. We need to save Buffy from
Hansel and Gretel.
Cordelia: Now, let's be clear. The brain damage happened before I hit
you.

> Scott Robbins wrote

> Better get used to not using OE--Windows 7 doesn't include a mail
> client.  :)
>
> Thunderbird is probably somewhat better though.  I only use both of them
> on occasion, as I have to support them, but my own expertise is with
> mutt.
> Scott Robbins

I've downloaded & had a look at W7 + W. Live Mail but want no part of
either.
This, along with the demise of XP & OE has strengthened my desire to switch
to Linux.
I like Puppy & Ubuntu but ran into multiple 'too hard sessions' in setting
them up to my requirements.
So far I've found Mint has been much easier.
G.

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 15:06, Darksyde <m_alexander61@...> wrote:

>  Thanks, Jeff, I'll peruse the files next time I am about to burn a disk.
 You're right, of
> course, about it being nearly impossible to install accidentally but some
friends have
> teenagers...need I say more?

HAH...  that's all the better... break them of the Windows habit early ;-)

For what it's worth, you can just mount the iso and look at it any
time you want...

mount /path/to/iso /path/to/mount/point -o loop

I usually make a temp mount point for mounting isos... something like
/media/iso...

Cheers
Jeff



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that I shall some day die, which is not so." -
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--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, J <dreadpiratejeff@...> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 13:15, Darksyde <m_alexander61@...> wrote:
> >  How would I go about disabling the Install feature on a distro (most often
it'll be Ubuntu or a
> >  derivative) before burning it to disk?  I'd like to feel more comfortable
giving out distro's to
> >  friends and knowing that they can't accidentally install the system would
be of great
> >  comfort.
> >  Thanks,
> >  Mark
>
> The short answer is this:
>
> extract the ISO's contents to a directory.
> edit all the stuff that does installing (any boot loader entries,
> desktop links, etc)
> rebuild new ISO images.
> Burn new ISO images.
>
> That is all...
>
> Do some reading on rolling your own bootable ISO images for tips on
> how to actually do this.  It's semi-trivial, meaning it's not hard,
> but it can be a complicated process.
>
> Also, does it really matter.  It's really HARD to accidentally install
> an OS.  If the ISO includes a "Install OS" boot option, usually they
> have to specifically select that, then they have to manually do some
> things IN the installer, getting past at least one or two screens that
> say "Installing $OS".  If it only provides an install option from
> within the live system, via a tool, or desktop link, then they have to
> actively click that link or tool, and again pass the "I'm going to
> INSTALL on your computer" screens, as well as do a few other things
> and actually say OK to the "do you want to continue and install this
> over your computer" screens that most installers come with.
>
> I can't, off hand, really think of any Linux OS that comes with an
> automatic, hands-off, destructive installation option that doesn't
> require some sort of user involvement (e.g. selecting the destructive
> option at boot as it's not the default, booting in a PXE environment
> with an auto-boot script like autoyast.xml or ks.cfg).
>
> Even the windows install disks don't just automatically destroy a
> working system when you boot from them (with the exception of special
> ISOs specifically built for quickly installing OEM systems, and even
> then those are usually installed via disk imaging than actual
> installation).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff

   Thanks, Jeff, I'll peruse the files next time I am about to burn a disk. 
You're right, of course, about it being nearly impossible to install
accidentally but some friends have teenagers...need I say more?
   Cheers,
   Mark

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 13:15, Darksyde <m_alexander61@...> wrote:
>  How would I go about disabling the Install feature on a distro (most often
it'll be Ubuntu or a
>  derivative) before burning it to disk?  I'd like to feel more comfortable
giving out distro's to
>  friends and knowing that they can't accidentally install the system would be
of great
>  comfort.
>  Thanks,
>  Mark

The short answer is this:

extract the ISO's contents to a directory.
edit all the stuff that does installing (any boot loader entries,
desktop links, etc)
rebuild new ISO images.
Burn new ISO images.

That is all...

Do some reading on rolling your own bootable ISO images for tips on
how to actually do this.  It's semi-trivial, meaning it's not hard,
but it can be a complicated process.

Also, does it really matter.  It's really HARD to accidentally install
an OS.  If the ISO includes a "Install OS" boot option, usually they
have to specifically select that, then they have to manually do some
things IN the installer, getting past at least one or two screens that
say "Installing $OS".  If it only provides an install option from
within the live system, via a tool, or desktop link, then they have to
actively click that link or tool, and again pass the "I'm going to
INSTALL on your computer" screens, as well as do a few other things
and actually say OK to the "do you want to continue and install this
over your computer" screens that most installers come with.

I can't, off hand, really think of any Linux OS that comes with an
automatic, hands-off, destructive installation option that doesn't
require some sort of user involvement (e.g. selecting the destructive
option at boot as it's not the default, booting in a PXE environment
with an auto-boot script like autoyast.xml or ks.cfg).

Even the windows install disks don't just automatically destroy a
working system when you boot from them (with the exception of special
ISOs specifically built for quickly installing OEM systems, and even
then those are usually installed via disk imaging than actual
installation).

Cheers,

Jeff




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Just curious if anyone has any comments on the new GNOME.  Is it worth the
time and effort or should one wait for v.3.0?
   Mark

How would I go about disabling the Install feature on a distro (most often
it'll be Ubuntu or a derivative) before burning it to disk?  I'd like to feel
more comfortable giving out distro's to friends and knowing that they can't
accidentally install the system would be of great comfort.
   Thanks,
   Mark

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 02:39:26AM +1100, Grump wrote:
>
> Also trying to come to grips with Thunderbird as a replacement for OE.
> Steep learning curve at present but I'm actually doing more now on this
> spare Mint box now than on my main PC!
> Thanks again for your assistance.

Better get used to not using OE--Windows 7 doesn't include a mail
client.  :)

Thunderbird is probably somewhat better though.  I only use both of them
on occasion, as I have to support them, but my own expertise is with
mutt.

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Cordelia: Very good, Mister I-can't-tail-the-suspect-during-the-day-
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----- Original Message -----
From: "loyal_barber" <loyal_barber@...>

>> <snip>
> Glad to hear things are better.  I am going to have to study your
> issue of not being able to see things from the Mint computer.  BTW,
> many others recommended doing this from the command line and to
> an extent, they are correct.  Getting into the command line is a
> good thing all said.  However, since this is a newbies list and
> since the system-config-samba tool works SO well, I just don't see
> the point for what you wanted and given that you are a brand new
> convert.  I do hope that you find Mint as good as I have.  I run
> several machines with CentOS and one Ubuntu.  On my traveling and
> working machine, my laptop, I run Mint.  It just works beautifully.
>
> Loyal

Hi loyal,
I'm afraid the syntax required in using the command line is mostly still
well over my head at this point
however I'm very impressed with all the features I've discovered in Mint so
far.
Managed to get virtualbox running with XP this evening so I still have
access to those items not available in Linux.
Also trying to come to grips with Thunderbird as a replacement for OE.
Steep learning curve at present but I'm actually doing more now on this
spare Mint box now than on my main PC!
Thanks again for your assistance.
G.

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 22:40, Joan Leach <jleach728@...> wrote:
> Happy Holidays,
>
> What causes webpages to look weird in Firefox, but look OK in Opera?  My
friend designed his
> MyYahoo webpage and now it looks weird in Firefox.  Plus www.distrowatch.com
looks a bit
> different, too.

What Scott said.  What do you mean, by "a bit different" though...
Most cases, it's a standards compliance thing, OR it's a
non-compliance thing.  For example... things designed using all those
IIS and MS Specific techniques generally look like ASS inside anything
other than IE.

> Should I compare the source from Firefox and Yahoo of the same webpage to see
what's
> different?

As for this, I don't understand what you mean by "compare the source
from Firefox and Yahoo of the same web page".  The source is the
source is the source, and really should not be different regardless of
browser you view it in.  That's DIFFERENT from saying the page will
render the same way across browsers though...  just that if you visit
www.mysite.com in IE, Firefox and Opera you may SEE the site looking
differently, but if you look at the HTML source code they should
"GENERALLY" all be identical.  I say generally, though, because there
are some ways to change how a page looks based on the browser string.
For example, I had a simple bit of code for a while that would add a
"Get Firefox" display box to every page in my website when the browser
string returned as Internet Explorer.

There are some I've seen where if you view in IE you'll get redirected
to a page that says "Please view this only in Firefox" and vice versa
(especially Vice Versa...).  I've seen MANY business websites (not so
many recently as in the past though) that would refuse you if you were
using anything BUT IE.... banks and credit card companies were famous
for this.

So a lot of how a given page will look is entirely dependent on how
it's served up too.  If I have a static HTML page on the web, it could
look identical in any browser, or it could look completely different
across browsers simply because each one will treat the tags and
formatting differently.

HOWEVER, if my web pages are being served up dynamically, you could
conceivably get one that uses tables in one browser, CSS in another
browser, and a blank "get bent" page for another browser.

Sadly, that's about all I can offer though.  Since you said that your
friend is using Yahoo MyPages, it could very well be, and my guess IS,
the fault of whatever Yahoo is using to serve up the actual code.  I
get the feeling from your description that your friend used an online
GUI web page editor, and who knows what THAT did to the code...

As for distrowatch... it's using some sort of CMS (or a WHOLE LOT of
CSS) though I don't know what, but displays pretty much identically
for me using IE 6 and FF 3.5.6 on a windows system.  I don't have a
linux system here at work that's on the external LAN so I can't
comment on that.  Google Chrome 3.0.195.38 I couldnt even get to
connect to ANY site, so that one is out as well...

Cheers,

Jeff




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--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, "Grump" <fuelg44@...> wrote:
>
> Followed your instructions below & still get the message
> "unable to mount location, failed to retrieve share list from server" when
> I click the mshome icon displayed on the network.
> (Samba was already installed but not "system-config-samba")
>
> However things have improved greatly following those steps!
> Since then, the Mint PC now shows up on the XP PCs connected to my network
> & even though mint still can't see my other PCs, I'm able
> to share files between PCs via a shared folder I created on my
> Mint desktop which is good enough for my purposes.
> So many thanks for those detailed instructions.
> G.
>
> <snip>
Glad to hear things are better.  I am going to have to study your
issue of not being able to see things from the Mint computer.  BTW,
many others recommended doing this from the command line and to
an extent, they are correct.  Getting into the command line is a
good thing all said.  However, since this is a newbies list and
since the system-config-samba tool works SO well, I just don't see
the point for what you wanted and given that you are a brand new
convert.  I do hope that you find Mint as good as I have.  I run
several machines with CentOS and one Ubuntu.  On my traveling and
working machine, my laptop, I run Mint.  It just works beautifully.

Loyal

Dear All,

I am new in linux please guide me How to configure transparent proxy in RHEL
5.1.

Best regards.
Hafiz M Amir





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Followed your instructions below & still get the message
"unable to mount location, failed to retrieve share list from server" when
I click the mshome icon displayed on the network.
(Samba was already installed but not "system-config-samba")

However things have improved greatly following those steps!
Since then, the Mint PC now shows up on the XP PCs connected to my network
& even though mint still can't see my other PCs, I'm able
to share files between PCs via a shared folder I created on my
Mint desktop which is good enough for my purposes.
So many thanks for those detailed instructions.
G.

----- Original Message -----
From: "loyal_barber" <loyal_barber@...>

>
> Look on your menu under Administration.  There should be an
> application listed "Samba". If not, go to menu then "Package
> Manager."  There is a box at the top next to the search button.  Type
> "samba" in this box.  Look down the list until you find "system-
> config-samba."  If the one called just "samba" is not installed,
> select it also.  Install that/these and the application "Samba"
> should be on your Administration menu.
>
> Select the Samba application.  Select the "Preferences" menu, then
> "Server Setting."  Under "Workgroup" type in the name of the
> workgroup for your home computer network.  Sometimes it is "MSHome"
> sometimes something else.  If need be, go to one of the Windoze boxes
> and find out.  Click the "Security" tab then set authentication mode
> to "User" (you don't want just anybody in on your Mint box do you?),
> encrypt passwords=yes, Guest Account=no guest account.  Click <OK>.
>
> Restart your mint computer.  Note: there are other ways than this to
> restart the samba server, but this is by far the easiest and mint
> starts fast.
>
> You should now be able to see other computers when you select
> menu->network.  If you cannot, please come back here and let us know.
>
>
> I also run Mint so these instructions should work for you.
>
> Thanks,
> Loyal

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 07:40:01PM -0800, Joan Leach wrote:
> Happy Holidays,
>
> What causes webpages to look weird in Firefox, but look OK in Opera?  My
friend designed his MyYahoo webpage and now it looks weird in Firefox.  Plus
www.distrowatch.com looks a bit different, too.
>
Surprising--usually, it's the other way around.
Opera adheres more strictly to standards, I believe.


> Should I compare the source from Firefox and Yahoo of the same webpage to see
what's different?


Not sure what yahoo mypages uses--hrrm, if they're using IE, didn't MS
decide to make it more standards-complient?  If that's the case, it
would make sense.  However, my experience, as mentioned, has been the
opposite, seems that usually people worry about IE and firefox when
designing pages.


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Forrest: This is the burden we bear, brother. We have a gig that
would inevitably cause any girl living to think we are cool upon
cool. Yet, we must Clark Kent our way through the dating scene,
never to use our unfair advantage. Thank God we're pretty.

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:15:32PM -0500, J wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 22:03, Scott <scottro@...> wrote:
> >  For me, the fun part of Linux, and the thing that actually
> > brought me there (I started my career as an MCSE), was working with the
> > text files.
>
> Yeah, me either, but I do suggest it from time to time.  It usually
> DOES make things easier, and when it comes to GUI tools, I do prefer
> single purpose ones to multi purpose ones... like Linuxconf.

ROTFLMAO.  Did that ever work for you?  I remember buying--yes, buying,
Mandrake, and going through their book on it.

>
> asked when something config-wise came up was "Did you use Linuxconf?"
>
> Invariably, the answer was yes, and the first reply was "Delete it
> NOW!" and lets start over...

Ah, that answers that question.


>
> > It's not that hard.  I have a (VERY dated) article on Samba, that might
> > even have a few relevant points, at
http://home.roadrunner.com/~computertaijutsu/samba.html
>
> Dated though it may be, your how-tos are usually pretty good.
>
> > Of course, what's hard is what you don't feel like doing. I always
> > start saying bad words to myself when working with printers, but find it
> > fun to google for an hour to find the one line I have to put in my mutt
> > configuration file to do something new.
>
> Admittedly, the only time I used SWAT was when I was feeling
> particularly lazy and wanted a quick point and click fix instead of
> typing and actually looking at what I was doing to config a samba
> server that I needed to do some specific things... but I got over that
> quickly and came back to the light side... I don't even use GUIs to
> configure test machines at work, just a few config scripts I wrote to
> do common tasks that i can run off a USB drive that has all my test
> tools and scripts on it.

I played with webmin--in my case, I didn't feel like doing a dhcp.conf
file--freaken' semicolons.


>
> > Xander: The band, yeah. They're great. They march.
> > Willow: Like an army. Except with music, instead of bullets, and
> > usually no one dies.
>
> The only band is Nerf Herder (and only a Buffy fan would get that)

Ah, memories.  Now I have the song stuck in my head.  With some youtube
clips of folks putting the song to Harry Potter scenes.


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Buffy: What should we do with the trio over here? Should we burn
them?
Willow: I brought marshmallows.

Happy Holidays,

What causes webpages to look weird in Firefox, but look OK in Opera?  My friend
designed his MyYahoo webpage and now it looks weird in Firefox.  Plus
www.distrowatch.com looks a bit different, too.

Should I compare the source from Firefox and Yahoo of the same webpage to see
what's different?

Thanks,
Joan in Reno





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On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 22:03, Scott <scottro@...> wrote:
> I've never been a big swat fan.  So often, GUIs get in the way--I see
> that all the time on Fedora forums, noticing all the issues people have
> that I don't have, because I've come to prefer command line
> tools.  For me, the fun part of Linux, and the thing that actually
> brought me there (I started my career as an MCSE), was working with the
> text files.

Yeah, me either, but I do suggest it from time to time.  It usually
DOES make things easier, and when it comes to GUI tools, I do prefer
single purpose ones to multi purpose ones... like Linuxconf.

For those of you who aren't old enough to remember those days (grin)
Linuxconf was a "Do-it-all configuration tool" and was really the
first attempt at a GUI tool to do complete system configuration.  The
real big problem with it though, was that when you ran it, and saved
your changes, it re-wrote EVERYTHING.

So for example, you open it up to configure Samba (just saying that
since it's germane to this thread).  You make some config changes and
then save/exit.  Instead of just writing changes to smb.conf, it would
re-write EVERY config file it touched, which very often led to things
like, changing your network settings only to find that your printer no
longer worked, or changing some small config to find EVERY other
config was now reset to defaults :-)  Oh those were the days... when I
was doing tech support, the first software related question I ever
asked when something config-wise came up was "Did you use Linuxconf?"

Invariably, the answer was yes, and the first reply was "Delete it
NOW!" and lets start over...

> It's not that hard.  I have a (VERY dated) article on Samba, that might
> even have a few relevant points, at
http://home.roadrunner.com/~computertaijutsu/samba.html

Dated though it may be, your how-tos are usually pretty good.

> Of course, what's hard is what you don't feel like doing. I always
> start saying bad words to myself when working with printers, but find it
> fun to google for an hour to find the one line I have to put in my mutt
> configuration file to do something new.

Admittedly, the only time I used SWAT was when I was feeling
particularly lazy and wanted a quick point and click fix instead of
typing and actually looking at what I was doing to config a samba
server that I needed to do some specific things... but I got over that
quickly and came back to the light side... I don't even use GUIs to
configure test machines at work, just a few config scripts I wrote to
do common tasks that i can run off a USB drive that has all my test
tools and scripts on it.

> Xander: The band, yeah. They're great. They march.
> Willow: Like an army. Except with music, instead of bullets, and
> usually no one dies.

The only band is Nerf Herder (and only a Buffy fan would get that)


--

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autobiography until after they're dead." -
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On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 09:43:41PM -0500, J wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 19:51, loyal_barber <loyal_barber@...> wrote:
>
> Now that I know what Mint is, is there a system-config-* toolset for
> Ubuntu?  As far as I knew, that was a Fedora/Red Hat creation, so
> getting an installable for Ubuntu may be ... fun... unless there is
> one.  Honestly, I've never looked for my Ubuntu based systems since I
> do all that stuff via the only config tool you need: vi ;-)

Yeah, I was surprised to read that too.

>
> However, samba-swat is a good web-accessible GUI tool for SMB
> config...  though honestly, with a little learning curve, the default
> SMB config (at least the one that came with most SuSE and Red
> Hat/Fedora systems) was pretty well documented, at least for basic to
> moderate configs.  The more advanced/obscure configs require a bit of
> knowledge though...

I've never been a big swat fan.  So often, GUIs get in the way--I see
that all the time on Fedora forums, noticing all the issues people have
that I don't have, because I've come to prefer command line
tools.  For me, the fun part of Linux, and the thing that actually
brought me there (I started my career as an MCSE), was working with the
text files.

It's not that hard.  I have a (VERY dated) article on Samba, that might
even have a few relevant points, at
http://home.roadrunner.com/~computertaijutsu/samba.html

Of course, what's hard is what you don't feel like doing. I always
start saying bad words to myself when working with printers, but find it
fun to google for an hour to find the one line I have to put in my mutt
configuration file to do something new.

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Xander: The band, yeah. They're great. They march.
Willow: Like an army. Except with music, instead of bullets, and
usually no one dies.

Heh... regarding both this thread and my other post to what appears to
be an eerily similar topic, I have now learned TWO new things today
about the Linux Derivative of the Week...

Mint is Ubuntu based, AND apparently Ubuntu also includes
system-config-* tools for configuring things... unless this one
happens to be a different, but identically named tool to the Red Hat
one...  Neat...

Cheers,

Jeff



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On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 19:51, loyal_barber <loyal_barber@...> wrote:
> First, instructions for old versions of Mint should work fine.  It has
> not changed enough since version 5 to make those suggestions obsolete.
> When you say you shared a bunch of folders, do you mean via Samba?
> If so, I think by default Samba is set up for user level security.

Indeed.  at least the defaults for most shared storage is that way
(though the default config file has example entries for "anyone
access" folders as well).  Printers, I believe, however, are
accessible by anyone that can see the server by default.

> If you don't have it, install this application:
>
> system-config-samba

Now that I know what Mint is, is there a system-config-* toolset for
Ubuntu?  As far as I knew, that was a Fedora/Red Hat creation, so
getting an installable for Ubuntu may be ... fun... unless there is
one.  Honestly, I've never looked for my Ubuntu based systems since I
do all that stuff via the only config tool you need: vi ;-)

However, samba-swat is a good web-accessible GUI tool for SMB
config...  though honestly, with a little learning curve, the default
SMB config (at least the one that came with most SuSE and Red
Hat/Fedora systems) was pretty well documented, at least for basic to
moderate configs.  The more advanced/obscure configs require a bit of
knowledge though...

Cheers
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--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, "lexie" <oxolexiexox@...> wrote:
>
> Months ago I tried rescuing old IBM r30 from a trash heap by installing Linux
(Moon OS 3).  At first, there was only 128mb ram so full ubuntu or mint was no
option.  I mostly use it as file/print  server and it worked until recently. 
After one update the IBM didn't "see" other computers on my network anymore, but
it really wasn't necessary because the others could still "see" the printer and
files on my external drive hooked up to it.
>
> My dad found some cheap memory on eBay and we upgraded it to 512mb, and like a
week ago (don't ask why :p), I decided to install mint 8 on it.  In Moon OS, I
just shared the top level directory and applied all the settings and stuff to
all the folders.  That didn't work in mint, so I stopped being lazy and shared
each individual folder but only 1 folder worked. I googled a few things but the
suggestions were from older versions and I didn't know if I should try it.
>
> My printer doesn't network right either.  When I try printing, it seem like it
tries to send it to the printer but after a minute or 2, I get an error.
>
> any ideas? thx
>


First, instructions for old versions of Mint should work fine.  It has
not changed enough since version 5 to make those suggestions obsolete.
When you say you shared a bunch of folders, do you mean via Samba?
If so, I think by default Samba is set up for user level security.
If you don't have it, install this application:

system-config-samba

This will create a menu item for Samba configuration under the
Administrator's menu.  Once you have that application installed, run
it.  Under preferences, change the workgroup to your MS workgroup
name.  Next go to Preferences->Samba users.  Set up one or more
Samba users with passwords.  Next, go through your list of shares
and make sure the users can access each share you want it to.

As far as printers go to http://localhost:631.  You should be able
to set up sharing there.

Loyal

--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Kemp <wb7ooe@...> wrote:
>
> J wrote:
> >
> >
> > You need to be root to do this.
> >
> > In your terminal do this:
> >
> > # su -
> >
> > then enter the root password, then you can cd into /etc and edit to
> > your hearts content...
> >
> >
> >
> Mint, being a derivitave of Ubuntu, does not use su, it uses sudo.
> Bruce
> <snip>

Actually, Mint does use su -.  The password is the same as the user
originally set up during installation.

Loyal

J wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 06:09, Grump <fuelg44@...
> <mailto:fuelg44%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Samba is already installed in this version but I can't find a menu to
>> configure it other than using the terminal & modifying the smb.conf folder
>> where I'm denied permission to do so & my attempts to obtain ownership
> also
>> fail. :(
>> G.
>
> You need to be root to do this.
>
> In your terminal do this:
>
> # su -
>
> then enter the root password, then you can cd into /etc and edit to
> your hearts content...
>
> Just be sure to do this:
>
> service smb restart
>
> or
>
> service samba restart
>
> assuming that Mint includes service like Red Hat and RH Clones do....
>
> Otherwise, you may have to do something like this:
>
> /etc/rc.d/rc.samba restart (for SuSE)
>
> or something similar. I've never used Mint, so I'm not familiar with
> where they put the startup scripts, so YMMV and all that stuff.
>
> I think samba also supports reload, so just use "reload" instead of
> "restart" which should just re-read the config file and go, as opposed
> to shutting the samba server down and starting it from scratch.
>
> Cheers,
> Jeff
>

Editing my menu shows this command being called:
gksu system-config-samba

Add that as a menu item under your admin menu, or just enter it into
your terminal.

Also, try installing GADMIN, it has a SAMBA configuration section
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On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 16:17, Bruce Kemp <wb7ooe@...> wrote:
>> In your terminal do this:
>>
>> # su -
>>
>> then enter the root password, then you can cd into /etc and edit to
>> your hearts content...
>>
>>
>>
> Mint, being a derivitave of Ubuntu, does not use su, it uses sudo.
> Bruce

Ahhh... wasn't sure... there are too many derivatives out there to
keep track of these days...

But even then, Ubuntu (the #!CrunchBang derivative, at least) does use
su, but uses it with sudo:

sudo su -

;-)

But point taken.  And now I even know what people are talking about
when they say they are running Mint...

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J wrote:
>
>
> You need to be root to do this.
>
> In your terminal do this:
>
> # su -
>
> then enter the root password, then you can cd into /etc and edit to
> your hearts content...
>
>
>
Mint, being a derivitave of Ubuntu, does not use su, it uses sudo.
Bruce

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On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 22:09 +1100, Grump wrote:

>
>
> Samba is already installed in this version but I can't find a menu to
> configure it other than using the terminal & modifying the smb.conf
> folder
> where I'm denied permission to do so & my attempts to obtain ownership
> also
> fail. :(
> G.


I *think* samba swat is what you're looking for. I haven't much
experience with it, but it is a GUI interface for configuring samba.

Clay.



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Hello list,

I have a few older laptops that I used to use and would like to continue to do
so.  One for example is part of a projector system and has a dvd player in it. 
It is running windows 98 and was (is) used for showing movies or presentations
via the projector.  However being that the software is so old, it limits me to
what it can play and show.

Is there a version of Linux that will run on a 233mhz to 300mhz laptop to
accomplish the same thing and be more current, enabling me to run presentations
made with newer software?  These machines topped out at 256MB of ram.

Anyone have ideas?

Thanks,

Tony


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--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, "Grump" <fuelg44@...> wrote:
>
> New to Linux & have just installed Mint (Helena).
> All is working well except it won't connect to my other XP PC's shared folders
on my mshome network.
> Using a D-link G604T router, it shares it's internet connection on my LAN &
displays the mshome icon but gives the message:
> "Unable to mount location"
> "Failed to retrieve share list from server"
> Any assistance much appreciated.
> G.

Look on your menu under Administration.  There should be an
application listed "Samba". If not, go to menu then "Package
Manager."  There is a box at the top next to the search button.  Type
"samba" in this box.  Look down the list until you find "system-
config-samba."  If the one called just "samba" is not installed,
select it also.  Install that/these and the application "Samba"
should be on your Administration menu.

Select the Samba application.  Select the "Preferences" menu, then
"Server Setting."  Under "Workgroup" type in the name of the
workgroup for your home computer network.  Sometimes it is "MSHome"
sometimes something else.  If need be, go to one of the Windoze boxes
and find out.  Click the "Security" tab then set authentication mode
to "User" (you don't want just anybody in on your Mint box do you?),
encrypt passwords=yes, Guest Account=no guest account.  Click <OK>.

Restart your mint computer.  Note: there are other ways than this to
restart the samba server, but this is by far the easiest and mint
starts fast.

You should now be able to see other computers when you select
menu->network.  If you cannot, please come back here and let us know.


I also run Mint so these instructions should work for you.

Thanks,
Loyal

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 06:09, Grump <fuelg44@...> wrote:
> Samba is already installed in this version but I can't find a menu to
> configure it other than using the terminal & modifying the smb.conf folder
> where I'm denied permission to do so & my attempts to obtain ownership also
> fail. :(
> G.

You need to be root to do this.

In your terminal do this:

# su -

then enter the root password, then you can cd into /etc and edit to
your hearts content...

Just be sure to do this:

service smb restart

or

service samba restart

assuming that Mint includes service like Red Hat and RH Clones do....

Otherwise, you may have to do something like this:

/etc/rc.d/rc.samba restart (for SuSE)

or something similar.  I've never used Mint, so I'm not familiar with
where they put the startup scripts, so YMMV and all that stuff.

I think samba also supports reload, so just use "reload" instead of
"restart" which should just re-read the config file and go, as opposed
to shutting the samba server down and starting it from scratch.

Cheers,
Jeff

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