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I'm new to Linux and I would like to know two things if anybody can
answer them:

1. Does anybody know how to set up the DVD copy of Mandriva (Or Mandrake
I think it's called) Linux to work off the CD or DVD ram so that I can
run Linux straight from the DVD without having to install it on my hard
drive?

2. I'm seriously considering of using Linux as an operating system
considering Windows is as insecure with lose legs. How would I set up
Linux for wireless access for a USB Linksys wireless network adapter?
Russell

If i understand correctly:

2x80GB IDE in RAID0 on NForce MB
+ 40GB IDE drive alone.

      The "RAID" that the NForce chipset uses is software based, i.e. you
need to load drivers for the host OS to see and use the RAID-ed drives
correctly. (Someone can step up and point out if I'm wrong, but this has
been true since 1998 -maybe before- and installing an OS on a device
that the OS doesn't have drivers for can be an interesting experience.)

      Any way, the only way to RAID0 those 2 drives would be to create an
install disk that has the (do they even exist?) NForce Linux RAID
drivers, and supply that for your install. I don't think such exists,
though.

      If that's the case then you can only install Linux on the 40GB
drive, or de-stripe your RAID0.

      As for a MP3 media player I suggest you use
http://www.fedorafaq.org/ for more info on that.

      You mention having install problems when using a graphical mode,
both in FC5 and in Gentoo. That I must admit is a bit odd. Could you
give us more hardware information on your setup?

AmadeusZ.-

just got a dell inspiron b120 and can not get it to boot any live
linux cd, check boot sequence and cd is cheched to boot ? Iam losted
any suggestions would be helpful. thanks name here is gary

capetown60 wrote:
> just got a dell inspiron b120 and can not get it to boot any live
> linux cd, check boot sequence and cd is cheched to boot ? Iam losted
> any suggestions would be helpful. thanks name here is gary

Can that laptop boot a factory-stamped Windows CD?

If so, then the problem is likely a bad CD burn.  You didn't burn a big
.iso file, or use some sort of tool to 'extract' the files out of the
.iso to burn to the CD, did you?  (those are the two most common
problems that make a CD not-bootable)

Mark

On Tuesday 02 May 2006 01:39, Russell wrote:
> I'm new to Linux and I would like to know two things if anybody can
> answer them:

Welcome to Linux.

>
> 1. Does anybody know how to set up the DVD copy of Mandriva (Or Mandrake
> I think it's called) Linux to work off the CD or DVD ram so that I can
> run Linux straight from the DVD without having to install it on my hard
> drive?

The Live CD version of Mandriva is called Move.

Links to download mirrors are here:

http://www.mandriva.com/en/downloads/mirrors/move


>
> 2. I'm seriously considering of using Linux as an operating system
> considering Windows is as insecure with lose legs. How would I set up
> Linux for wireless access for a USB Linksys wireless network adapter?
> Russell

Sorry I can't help with this.

Regards

Steve

Will it boot the Windows recovery CD?

Don

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--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Mark Jensen <markjensen@...>
wrote:
>
> capetown60 wrote:
> > just got a dell inspiron b120 and can not get it to boot any live
> > linux cd, check boot sequence and cd is cheched to boot ? Iam
losted
> > any suggestions would be helpful. thanks name here is gary
>
> Can that laptop boot a factory-stamped Windows CD?
>
> If so, then the problem is likely a bad CD burn.  You didn't burn
a big
> .iso file, or use some sort of tool to 'extract' the files out of
the
> .iso to burn to the CD, did you?  (those are the two most common
> problems that make a CD not-bootable)
>
> Mark


hi mark ive used these same cds on a desk top and they have work
fine cant figure out why laptop wont boot?
>

Out of curiosity, does a Windows Xp Pro cd have to be burned from an
.iso image in order for the Windows Xp Pro cd to be bootable? I too
can't get my Windows cd to work either but my Linux cd does. It's not
really that important but I would like to know the answer to that anyway
in case I decided to use Windows Xp Pro again later on in the future.
Once I get my problem (Which I asked previously when I first joined here
this morning) taken care of I'll be going to Linux.
Russell

Mark Jensen wrote:

> capetown60 wrote:
> > just got a dell inspiron b120 and can not get it to boot any live
> > linux cd, check boot sequence and cd is cheched to boot ? Iam losted
> > any suggestions would be helpful. thanks name here is gary
>
> Can that laptop boot a factory-stamped Windows CD?
>
> If so, then the problem is likely a bad CD burn.  You didn't burn a big
> .iso file, or use some sort of tool to 'extract' the files out of the
> .iso to burn to the CD, did you?  (those are the two most common
> problems that make a CD not-bootable)
>
> Mark

> If i understand correctly:
>
> 2x80GB IDE in RAID0 on NForce MB
> + 40GB IDE drive alone.

Yep, you got that right.  Sorry for the confusion, but the problem
with Gentoo wasn't with installation; instead, I believe it was a
problem with configuring X11.  Oh well, I'm planning on attempting to
install FC5 to the 40gb hd tonight and see how that goes.  I almost
gave in yesterday and was about to buy a new computer just for Linux
without trying to use RAID or anything, just a generic computer for
Linux, but that money would be better spent elsewhere.  I'll post back
later after I've attempted to install FC5 again.

capetown60 wrote:
> --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Mark Jensen <markjensen@...>
> wrote:
>  > Can that laptop boot a factory-stamped Windows CD?
>  >
>  > If so, then the problem is likely a bad CD burn.  You didn't burn
> a big
>  > .iso file, or use some sort of tool to 'extract' the files out of
> the
>  > .iso to burn to the CD, did you?  (those are the two most common
>  > problems that make a CD not-bootable)
>  >
>  > Mark
>
>
> hi mark ive used these same cds on a desk top and they have work
> fine cant figure out why laptop wont boot?

That answers one of the questions - your burned CDs must be OK if they
boot elsewhwere.

However, you didn't answer if that laptop would boot a factory Windows
CD.   This will point us to a settings issue if it doesn't, or a media
issue if it does boot a Windows CD.


Mark

Russell wrote:
> Out of curiosity, does a Windows Xp Pro cd have to be burned from an
> .iso image in order for the Windows Xp Pro cd to be bootable? I too
> can't get my Windows cd to work either but my Linux cd does. It's not
> really that important but I would like to know the answer to that anyway
> in case I decided to use Windows Xp Pro again later on in the future.
> Once I get my problem (Which I asked previously when I first joined here
> this morning) taken care of I'll be going to Linux.
> Russell
>

You don't burn an XP .iso, as Microsoft doesn't supply Windows in this
format.  Perhaps you illegally downloaded one from somewhere online?

Mark

Thanks steve for the warm welcoming.

Thank you for the info on downloading the Live version of Linux. How do
you load it up on the computer. I've already burned the .iso on a CD. Do
I reboot my computer and boot from the CD rom itself and it then loads
linux up from the CD? I've never done this before that's why I'm green
to it. I know enough about windows and how to install it but I don't
know anything about Linux as far as booting it from the CD and learning
how to operate Linux in general.

There's another thing that I would like to know and learn about it. How
do I run Linux through Windows XP Pro?
Russell

Steve Saxon wrote:

> On Tuesday 02 May 2006 01:39, Russell wrote:
> > I'm new to Linux and I would like to know two things if anybody can
> > answer them:
>
> Welcome to Linux.
>
> >
> > 1. Does anybody know how to set up the DVD copy of Mandriva (Or Mandrake
> > I think it's called) Linux to work off the CD or DVD ram so that I can
> > run Linux straight from the DVD without having to install it on my hard
> > drive?
>
> The Live CD version of Mandriva is called Move.
>
> Links to download mirrors are here:
>
> http://www.mandriva.com/en/downloads/mirrors/move
>
>
> >
> > 2. I'm seriously considering of using Linux as an operating system
> > considering Windows is as insecure with lose legs. How would I set up
> > Linux for wireless access for a USB Linksys wireless network adapter?
> > Russell
>
> Sorry I can't help with this.
>
> Regards
>
> Steve

Actually no, I bought a copy of Windows Xp Pro off of Ebay. That's
probably why my windows CD doesn't boot up from the CD rom itself unless
I use floppies. The CD is probably messed up. Thanks for the info on
that part.
Russell

Mark Jensen wrote:

> Russell wrote:
> > Out of curiosity, does a Windows Xp Pro cd have to be burned from an
> > .iso image in order for the Windows Xp Pro cd to be bootable? I too
> > can't get my Windows cd to work either but my Linux cd does. It's not
> > really that important but I would like to know the answer to that anyway
> > in case I decided to use Windows Xp Pro again later on in the future.
> > Once I get my problem (Which I asked previously when I first joined here
> > this morning) taken care of I'll be going to Linux.
> > Russell
> >
>
> You don't burn an XP .iso, as Microsoft doesn't supply Windows in this
> format.  Perhaps you illegally downloaded one from somewhere online?
>
> Mark

regarding your question about running Linux in Windows, try VMWare Workstation
or Microsoft Virtual Server. They create virtual machines inside your Windows.
Give them a try.

Russell <xena400@...> wrote:    Thanks steve for the warm welcoming.

  Thank you for the info on downloading the Live version of Linux. How do
  you load it up on the computer. I've already burned the .iso on a CD. Do
  I reboot my computer and boot from the CD rom itself and it then loads
  linux up from the CD? I've never done this before that's why I'm green
  to it. I know enough about windows and how to install it but I don't
  know anything about Linux as far as booting it from the CD and learning
  how to operate Linux in general.

  There's another thing that I would like to know and learn about it. How
  do I run Linux through Windows XP Pro?
  Russell

  Steve Saxon wrote:

  > On Tuesday 02 May 2006 01:39, Russell wrote:
  > > I'm new to Linux and I would like to know two things if anybody can
  > > answer them:
  >
  > Welcome to Linux.
  >
  > >
  > > 1. Does anybody know how to set up the DVD copy of Mandriva (Or Mandrake
  > > I think it's called) Linux to work off the CD or DVD ram so that I can
  > > run Linux straight from the DVD without having to install it on my hard
  > > drive?
  >
  > The Live CD version of Mandriva is called Move.
  >
  > Links to download mirrors are here:
  >
  > http://www.mandriva.com/en/downloads/mirrors/move
  >
  >
  > >
  > > 2. I'm seriously considering of using Linux as an operating system
  > > considering Windows is as insecure with lose legs. How would I set up
  > > Linux for wireless access for a USB Linksys wireless network adapter?
  > > Russell
  >
  > Sorry I can't help with this.
  >
  > Regards
  >
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On 02May2006 22:04, Russell <xena400@...> wrote:
| Thank you for the info on downloading the Live version of Linux. How do
| you load it up on the computer. I've already burned the .iso on a CD. Do
| I reboot my computer and boot from the CD rom itself and it then loads
| linux up from the CD?

Yes, exactly so. The "live cd" versions of the various Linux flavours
actually do not do an install, which is what is so nice about them
for experimentation. Instead, they boot and run Linux from the CD
and don't touch your machine's hard drive. In this way you can try
a few things before commiting to a real install.

| There's another thing that I would like to know and learn about it. How
| do I run Linux through Windows XP Pro?

It's generally best to post a separate message (with a fresh descriptive
Subject: line) per question. In that way each question can be addressed
and discussion by people with knowledge in that area, without mixing in
other topics.

Cheers,
--
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Thanks for the information on that. Once my 3gb Linux file is done
downloading tonight I'll load up the Live CD of Linux that you gave me
the link for and try it out.

As far as for the Windows question, I'll take your advice on that too.
Sorry about the mix up. The Windows question will be coming up next.

Cheers, oh by the way, are you Australian? I usually hear "Cheers"
coming from Australians.
Russell

Cameron Simpson wrote:

> On 02May2006 22:04, Russell <xena400@...> wrote:
> | Thank you for the info on downloading the Live version of Linux. How do
> | you load it up on the computer. I've already burned the .iso on a
> CD. Do
> | I reboot my computer and boot from the CD rom itself and it then loads
> | linux up from the CD?
>
> Yes, exactly so. The "live cd" versions of the various Linux flavours
> actually do not do an install, which is what is so nice about them
> for experimentation. Instead, they boot and run Linux from the CD
> and don't touch your machine's hard drive. In this way you can try
> a few things before commiting to a real install.
>
> | There's another thing that I would like to know and learn about it. How
> | do I run Linux through Windows XP Pro?
>
> It's generally best to post a separate message (with a fresh descriptive
> Subject: line) per question. In that way each question can be addressed
> and discussion by people with knowledge in that area, without mixing in
> other topics.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Cameron Simpson <cs@...> DoD#743
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How do you use Linux inside of Windows Xp Pro (Or any other version of
Windows for that matter?) If I can get a wireless connection to the
internet for Linux through Windows Xp Pro then I'll run Linux through
Windows.
Russell

Hello Cameron,

Wednesday, May 3, 2006, 12:30:06 AM, you wrote:

CS> Yes, exactly so. The "live cd" versions of the various Linux flavours
CS> actually do not do an install, which is what is so nice about them
CS> for experimentation. Instead, they boot and run Linux from the CD
CS> and don't touch your machine's hard drive. In this way you can try
CS> a few things before commiting to a real install.

About a year ago, I was experimenting with various 'Live CD's and came
across on 'Live BSD' CD that mounted all filesystems on a dual-boot
machine (ext3, NTFS and FAT32), and did not properly unmount any of
them, in the shutdown process.

This caused the NTFS partition (Windows 2k Pro) to become unbootable
(probably should not have been mounted at all), and the FAT32
partitions to complain, and require a scandisk to repair some errors,
and ext3 to fsck on boot.

I mention this because 'not all Live CD's are created equal', and it
is a good idea to test them on a non-critical box,  before running
them in a production environment, or to perform diagnostics on a
client's machine.


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   now when my system restated any one can go to edit mode by pressing 'e' and
then delete that password line by presing 'd' and easily boot the os

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Or it is a bootleg copy, no pun intended.

Don

Russell wrote:
> Actually no, I bought a copy of Windows Xp Pro off of Ebay. That's
> probably why my windows CD doesn't boot up from the CD rom itself unless
> I use floppies. The CD is probably messed up. Thanks for the info on
> that part.
> Russell
>
> Mark Jensen wrote:
>
> > Russell wrote:
> > > Out of curiosity, does a Windows Xp Pro cd have to be burned from an
> > > .iso image in order for the Windows Xp Pro cd to be bootable? I too
> > > can't get my Windows cd to work either but my Linux cd does. It's not
> > > really that important but I would like to know the answer to that
> anyway
> > > in case I decided to use Windows Xp Pro again later on in the future.
> > > Once I get my problem (Which I asked previously when I first
> joined here
> > > this morning) taken care of I'll be going to Linux.
> > > Russell
> > >
> >
> > You don't burn an XP .iso, as Microsoft doesn't supply Windows in this
> > format.  Perhaps you illegally downloaded one from somewhere online?
> >
> > Mark
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No, I did buy it off of Ebay, I got it two and a half years ago. It cost
me about $150. But considering there are allot of things going on on
ebay right now, you probably could be right. Although, the CD did have
the label on it but now considering the CD has been around the mill, the
label on the CD and the underneath of it is sorta scratched up and had
to make my own new copy of it that way I would still be able to use it.

So like I said, no, it's not a bootleg.
Russell

IDon Meng wrote:

> Or it is a bootleg copy, no pun intended.
>
> Don
>
> Russell wrote:
> > Actually no, I bought a copy of Windows Xp Pro off of Ebay. That's
> > probably why my windows CD doesn't boot up from the CD rom itself unless
> > I use floppies. The CD is probably messed up. Thanks for the info on
> > that part.
> > Russell
> >
> > Mark Jensen wrote:
> >
> > > Russell wrote:
> > > > Out of curiosity, does a Windows Xp Pro cd have to be burned from an
> > > > .iso image in order for the Windows Xp Pro cd to be bootable? I too
> > > > can't get my Windows cd to work either but my Linux cd does.
> It's not
> > > > really that important but I would like to know the answer to that
> > anyway
> > > > in case I decided to use Windows Xp Pro again later on in the
> future.
> > > > Once I get my problem (Which I asked previously when I first
> > joined here
> > > > this morning) taken care of I'll be going to Linux.
> > > > Russell
> > > >
> > >
> > > You don't burn an XP .iso, as Microsoft doesn't supply Windows in this
> > > format.  Perhaps you illegally downloaded one from somewhere online?
> > >
> > > Mark

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then delete that password line by presing 'd' and easily boot the os

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Hi everyone,

Yesterday was my first day using SUSE linux v10.

I installed it on my pc with no problems.

My friend sent me an email with a video in it.  I googled video
players for linux, and MPlayer came up.


I downloaded and unzip it.

I read the install.html and it states I need GCC to install it.

I download gcc-4.1.0 and this is what I get:

linux:/usr # dir
total 100
drwxr-xr-x   14 root  root    400 May  2 21:47 .
drwxr-xr-x   23 root  root    544 May  3 05:26 ..
lrwxrwxrwx    1 root  root      5 May  2 16:24 X11 -> X11R6
drwxr-xr-x    8 root  root    192 May  2 16:34 X11R6
drwxr-xr-x    2 root  root  44464 May  2 17:32 bin
drwxr-xr-x    2 root  root     72 May  2 16:38 games
drwxr-xr-x    2 root  root    144 May  2 21:48 gcc
drwxr-xr-x   14 w1nyg users  1528 Feb 28 05:34 gcc-4.1.0
drwxr-xr-x    5 root  root    120 May  2 16:17 i586-suse-linux
drwxr-xr-x   34 root  root   7328 May  2 17:30 include
drwxr-xr-x   96 root  root  34712 May  2 17:32 lib
drwxr-xr-x   10 root  root    240 May  2 16:17 local
drwxr-xr-x    2 root  root  11600 May  2 17:32 sbin
drwxr-xr-x  118 root  root   3120 May  2 16:53 share
drwxr-xr-x    4 root  root    112 May  2 17:30 src
lrwxrwxrwx    1 root  root     10 May  2 16:17 tmp -> ../var/tmp
linux:/usr # cd gcc
linux:/usr/gcc # ..//gcc-4.1.0/configure
loading cache ./config.cache
checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether ln works... yes
checking whether ln -s works... yes
checking for gcc... no
checking for cc... no
configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
linux:/usr/gcc #

Can anyone help me.

I feel like that little old lady looking at a pc for the first time.


Thanks, Ken

On 03May2006 01:37, Russell <xena400@...> wrote:
| Cheers, oh by the way, are you Australian? I usually hear "Cheers"
| coming from Australians.

Yep, hence the .au suffix to my email address.
--
Cameron Simpson <cs@...> DoD#743
http://www.cskk.ezoshosting.com/cs/

Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code will be a violent
psychopath who knows where you live.
         - Martin Golding, DoD #0236, martin@...

Awesome! Well then, G-day mate! I'm glad that I got another chance to
speak with another australian on the internet this passed month.
Russell

Cameron Simpson wrote:

> On 03May2006 01:37, Russell <xena400@...> wrote:
> | Cheers, oh by the way, are you Australian? I usually hear "Cheers"
> | coming from Australians.
>
> Yep, hence the .au suffix to my email address.
> --
> Cameron Simpson <cs@...> DoD#743
> http://www.cskk.ezoshosting.com/cs/
>
> Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code will be a
> violent
> psychopath who knows where you live.
>         - Martin Golding, DoD #0236, martin@...

Russell wrote:
> How do you use Linux inside of Windows Xp Pro (Or any other version of
> Windows for that matter?) If I can get a wireless connection to the
> internet for Linux through Windows Xp Pro then I'll run Linux through
> Windows.
> Russell

Are you asking about a Virtual PC type of thing?

I have DamnSmall Linux on my USB, and use QEMU to run it in a virtual
environment.   VMWare and MS VPC are also options.

Mark

Ken McGowan wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Yesterday was my first day using SUSE linux v10.
>
> I installed it on my pc with no problems.
>
> My friend sent me an email with a video in it.  I googled video
> players for linux, and MPlayer came up.
>
>
> I downloaded and unzip it.
>
> I read the install.html and it states I need GCC to install it.
>
> I download gcc-4.1.0 and this is what I get:

Hmmmm...  It seems that you should use YAST to install MPlayer.  YAST is
SUSE's tool for installing apps, and while you *can* hunt down the
source, compile it, find dependencies, etc...  :-/  I just think it
would be better to not do it that way.

Having said that, I have never used SUSE outside of testing a LiveCD, so
I don't actually know how to use YAST.   Hopefully this helps point you
in the right direction, though.

Mark

Cameron Simpson wrote:
> It's generally best to post a separate message (with a fresh descriptive
> Subject: line) per question. In that way each question can be addressed
> and discussion by people with knowledge in that area, without mixing in
> other topics.

In addition to what Cameron stated about items getting lost or
overlooked, posting a reply to an earlier post also muddles things up.
For example, look at the highlighted message here:
http://markjensen.googlepages.com/thread.png

Looking at the dates of the message, and the one it is a reply to, you
can see that it is responding to an item that has been dead for over
half a year, and the new post is extremely out-of-place in a threaded view.

Mark

I don't want to sound stupid or anything but I don't understand what you
are trying to say.
Russell

Mark Jensen wrote:

> Cameron Simpson wrote:
> > It's generally best to post a separate message (with a fresh descriptive
> > Subject: line) per question. In that way each question can be addressed
> > and discussion by people with knowledge in that area, without mixing in
> > other topics.
>
> In addition to what Cameron stated about items getting lost or
> overlooked, posting a reply to an earlier post also muddles things up.
> For example, look at the highlighted message here:
> http://markjensen.googlepages.com/thread.png
>
> Looking at the dates of the message, and the one it is a reply to, you
> can see that it is responding to an item that has been dead for over
> half a year, and the new post is extremely out-of-place in a threaded
> view.
>
> Mark