"I must be right because the mods haven't stopped me?" What kind of
ridiculousness is this?

Those of you arguing about such pettiness--don't you have anything better to do?

Personally,  I use Linux fairly constantly, but not often in a terribly
technical mode. I read the list sporadically, and if there is a question I
actually may know something about, I respond. I may also from time to time ask a
question.

However, I have far too many better things to do than to engage in trivial
pursuits such as this.

I have been a list owner or moderator for many years--presently down to
moderating only two. A list I started and owned for four years had 18,000
members and at one time during my tenure it had between two and four hundred
posts per day. The more active list I moderate now has only about 25 to 30 posts
on an average day...so I have had at least some experience with all this many
times.

That means I simply don't care for the pettiness and name calling over
inconsequential crap. Life is just too short.

If the goal of you folks who just can't restrain yourselves from this
childishness is to run many people off the list, continue doing what you've been
doing.

If your goal is to actually try to build a useful community, then for God's sake
stop the juvenile behavior and act like adults for a change.

David

--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, "m_alexander61" <m_alexander61@...> wrote:
>
>   Hi, all!
>   After reading the latest Linux Journal I'm concerned about rootkits and
/dev/mem attacks on my system (Mint 6).  To quote (or paste) from the article:
>   "if CONFIG_STRICT_DEVMEM is set to n rather than y, you need to compile a
custom kernel."
>   Is this the case with Felicia or is the kernel already compiled to "y"?

   Sorry to rehash this but I didn't get an answer to my question.  Ok, I did get
answers but not exact ones.  While the possibility of such an attack may
approach zero, it isn't zero, and I think that this is very important.  Even
Linux has vulnerabilities and they should be addressed before even one user is
hacked.  M$ would doubtlessly love to find a needle in the haystack, and other
Newbs, as well as those using older versions of any distro, need to have every
bit of information they can get regarding security.  Since this article was
published in Linux Journal it is safe to assume at least one of the following:
   1)  This is a serious threat.
   2)  Hackers (negative connotation here) who have read this article may use the
info for their nefarious purposes, which leads back to #1.
   3)  Every tool we have available should be used, or at least ready for use,
but this is a given.
   Thanks,
   Mark

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m_alexander61 wrote:

> Sorry to rehash this but I didn't get an answer to my question. Ok, I
> did get answers but not exact ones. While the possibility of such an
> attack may approach zero, it isn't zero, and I think that this is very
> important. Even Linux has vulnerabilities and they should be addressed
> before even one user is hacked.

Consider what you are saying... you believe that vulnerabilities (like
buffer overflows, etc.) should be addressed (in other words,
corrected) ...before they are discovered.

I suggest that you buy and read the book 'Hacking: The Art of
Exploitation' by Jon Erickson, so that you might gain a deeper
understanding of the process of 'code exploitation', and how in an
Open Source system (Linux, the BSD's, etc.) the 'bad guys' and the
'good guys' both participate equally in the strengthening of the code
base, by first discovering these flaws (which are in many cases,
extremely, amazingly subtle), and second, by the correcting the code
so that (hopefully) the discovered vulnerability is eliminated...
without introducing any *new* vulnerabilities into the code.


> M$ would doubtlessly love to find a needle in the haystack, and
> other Newbs, as well as those using older versions of any distro,
> need to have every bit of information they can get regarding
> security.

It really doesn't matter if Microsoft, or the bad Guys, or the Good
Guys are the first to discover a new vulnerability... once it is
discovered, and either put to use maliciously, or published by it's
discoverer... in an Open Source system, it will be corrected
quickly... more quickly in an Open Source system, than in a Closed
Source system, because the entire community of programmers,
world-wide, will have full access to the source code, and can
collaborate (or compete with each other) to correct the problem.

> Since this article was published in Linux
> Journal it is safe to assume at least one of the following:
> 1) This is a serious threat.

Not necessarily... 'Proof of Concept' hacks are published, but many...
possibly most... do not address 'serious' threats. Research is a
natural part of the 'Computer Science' field, and papers are being
published constantly, same as in all scientific fields.

> 2) Hackers (negative connotation here) who have read this article may
> use the info for their nefarious purposes, which leads back to #1.

Hackers (black or white hat) provide a valuable service, whether that
is their intention, or not. If the codebase was not attacked, it would
never become more robust, so in effect, even outright criminals and
skript-kiddies are providing a valuable Darwinian service to the
codebase, and computing in general, whether they like it or not.

The line is not so clear, between Good guys and Bad Guys.

> 3) Every tool we have available should be used, or at least ready for
> use, but this is a given.
> Thanks,
> Mark
>

I have no idea what you mean by this point.

If someone went to the trouble to design a tool, then there must have
been a task that needed doing, that required such a tool. If the tool
has become obsolete, due to a better tool having been designed to
perform the same task, then the obsolete tool will probably just wind
up collecting dust, in a drawer or on a shelf... until some clever
person discovers a new use for it. :)



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Personally, for me it depends on the situation, and the original
message has been replied to, and I have been part of the conversation,
I tend to top post.  The gist of the converstation has been read and
reread several times.  How many times does one need to read a message
to understand it?  In those cases a reader can scroll down to get the
original content if they need it.  The rule is an archaic one from the
days before scroll rollers, and slider bars.  Much like some mailing
lists that one want straight text, because someone is using a 20 year
old mail reader that can't handle hyper text.

If a person prefers one or the other, great.  Do it that way.  What is
important to me is your insight and knowledge.  Not where you put it.
If you prefer to bottom post, I'll probably scroll down and find it.
Put it in the middle, that's fine.  Whatever, but I'm not going to
have a screaming hissy-fit meltdown over it.

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Gary<xheralt@...> wrote:
>
>
> People in the "stop servies via telnet" thread have been getting
> unacceptably rude to each other, and certain adherents of the no-top-posting
> "rule" are taking the lack of action by any mods as tacit approval for their
> bad attitudes. Consider, people, how d*mn few mods (and fewer ACTIVE mods)
> this Y!Group actually has -- and how hands-off they usually are. Because we
> are *usually* civilized to each other. Statements like "I'm right because
> the mod hasn't intervened" serve no purpose but making one look like a total
> fool.
>
> To those who want to claim they're just standing up for "The Rules"? Look at
> the phrasing of the netiquette text in our Files section, it only says this
> is how "most" forums do it, never specifying (except through implication by
> its very presence) that it is The Rule for THIS forum.
>
> Besides, it's a stupid and petty rule anyway. I feel sorry for anyone who
> feels it's beneath them to actually use scrolling controls on their screens.
>
> This Y!Group sucks for general use, because of the primitiveness of the
> default editing controls, and the inconsistency of the "advanced" rich-text
> editing available in the web interface. If someone takes the path of least
> resistance and top-posts, it's NOT the end of the frakkin' world, and people
> need to realize that!
>
>

Oh look, I top posted...  I feel so...  so... so...  FREE!

For those of you with the OCD, you know whom you are, as you really
want to flame the top posting here. (Or did you not get this far
because you assume I only top posted...  :-)

You really should see someone about that.  Your life, and your
internet experience, will be happier.

or you can try to make your user is able to access and registered with many
groups.
ex:
username A is group of all another groups


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--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Robert C Wittig <wittig.robert@...> wrote:
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> m_alexander61 wrote:
>
> > Sorry to rehash this but I didn't get an answer to my question. Ok, I
> > did get answers but not exact ones. While the possibility of such an
> > attack may approach zero, it isn't zero, and I think that this is very
> > important. Even Linux has vulnerabilities and they should be addressed
> > before even one user is hacked.
>
> Consider what you are saying... you believe that vulnerabilities (like
> buffer overflows, etc.) should be addressed (in other words,
> corrected) ...before they are discovered.
>
> I suggest that you buy and read the book 'Hacking: The Art of
> Exploitation' by Jon Erickson, so that you might gain a deeper
> understanding of the process of 'code exploitation', and how in an
> Open Source system (Linux, the BSD's, etc.) the 'bad guys' and the
> 'good guys' both participate equally in the strengthening of the code
> base, by first discovering these flaws (which are in many cases,
> extremely, amazingly subtle), and second, by the correcting the code
> so that (hopefully) the discovered vulnerability is eliminated...
> without introducing any *new* vulnerabilities into the code.
>
>
> > M$ would doubtlessly love to find a needle in the haystack, and
> > other Newbs, as well as those using older versions of any distro,
> > need to have every bit of information they can get regarding
> > security.
>
> It really doesn't matter if Microsoft, or the bad Guys, or the Good
> Guys are the first to discover a new vulnerability... once it is
> discovered, and either put to use maliciously, or published by it's
> discoverer... in an Open Source system, it will be corrected
> quickly... more quickly in an Open Source system, than in a Closed
> Source system, because the entire community of programmers,
> world-wide, will have full access to the source code, and can
> collaborate (or compete with each other) to correct the problem.
>
> > Since this article was published in Linux
> > Journal it is safe to assume at least one of the following:
> > 1) This is a serious threat.
>
> Not necessarily... 'Proof of Concept' hacks are published, but many...
> possibly most... do not address 'serious' threats. Research is a
> natural part of the 'Computer Science' field, and papers are being
> published constantly, same as in all scientific fields.
>
> > 2) Hackers (negative connotation here) who have read this article may
> > use the info for their nefarious purposes, which leads back to #1.
>
> Hackers (black or white hat) provide a valuable service, whether that
> is their intention, or not. If the codebase was not attacked, it would
> never become more robust, so in effect, even outright criminals and
> skript-kiddies are providing a valuable Darwinian service to the
> codebase, and computing in general, whether they like it or not.
>
> The line is not so clear, between Good guys and Bad Guys.
>
> > 3) Every tool we have available should be used, or at least ready for
> > use, but this is a given.
> > Thanks,
> > Mark
> >
>
> I have no idea what you mean by this point.
>
> If someone went to the trouble to design a tool, then there must have
> been a task that needed doing, that required such a tool. If the tool
> has become obsolete, due to a better tool having been designed to
> perform the same task, then the obsolete tool will probably just wind
> up collecting dust, in a drawer or on a shelf... until some clever
> person discovers a new use for it. :)
>
>
>
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>  http://robertwittig.net/
>  http://robertwittig.org/
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>
   Ok, uh, thanks for your response but I guess I didn't state it specifically
enough.  Following is the original post, trimmed a bit:

Hi, all!
After reading the latest Linux Journal I'm concerned about rootkits and
/dev/mem attacks on my system (Mint 6). To quote (or paste) from the article:
"if CONFIG_STRICT_DEVMEM is set to n rather than y, you need to compile a
custom kernel."
Is this the case with Felicia or is the kernel already compiled to "y"?

   I do appreciate your feedback and no, I am not suggesting that vulnerabilities
be addressed before they are discovered, which would be an illogical
proposition.  I, as a newb, simply want to know if the kernal in my distro, Mint
6, has CONFIG_STRICT_DEVMEM=y.  That is all I am asking.
   Thanks,
   Mark

On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 06:48:30PM -0000, m_alexander61 wrote:
> --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Robert C Wittig <wittig.robert@...>
wrote:
> >
>   Ok, uh, thanks for your response but I guess I didn't state it specifically
enough.  Following is the original post, trimmed a bit:
>
> Hi, all!
> After reading the latest Linux Journal I'm concerned about rootkits and
> /dev/mem attacks on my system (Mint 6). To quote (or paste) from the article:
> "if CONFIG_STRICT_DEVMEM is set to n rather than y, you need to compile a
> custom kernel."
> Is this the case with Felicia or is the kernel already compiled to "y"?
>
>   I do appreciate your feedback and no, I am not suggesting that
vulnerabilities be addressed before they are discovered, which would be an
illogical proposition.  I, as a newb, simply want to know if the kernal in my
distro, Mint 6, has CONFIG_STRICT_DEVMEM=y.  That is all I am asking.

In /boot, there is a file called config.

grep CONFIG_STRICT /boot/config-$(uname -r)

That should tell you.

grep gets the regular expression (hence the name) from the file
/boot/config-$(uname -r)   (The $(uname -r) just checks the
configuration file of the kernel that is running, which is found by
running the command uname -r).

So, the $(uname -r) is just shorthand for grabbing the configuration
file for the currently running kernel.


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Angel: It's complicated how this all happened, Buffy, you
know. It's kind of a long story.
Buffy: Your new sidekick had a vision, I was in it, you came to
Sunnydale?
Angel: Okay, maybe not that long.

--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Scott <scottro@...> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:45:03PM -0000, Diana wrote:
>
>
> > > I have a gOS computer that I bought from Walmart. The reason why I bought
it is my other half is an engineer and he recommended Linux.
> > > It is running Ubuntu7.10  and  e17.
> >
> > I posted the original question because when I try to get to the
internet(check e-mail), I get these pop-up screens 'server certificate not valid
yet', 'website certified by an unknown authority'. I'm getting these pop-ups
because the time and date are not set correctly. This is a recent occurrence.
I'm on a LAN, if that has any relevance.
> >
>
> You can set the time in the BIOS.  How to get there depends upon the
> computer, but it's usually either hitting del, F1, or F2.  In this case,
> the esc key is just giving you access to things AFTER it has gone past
> the BIOS, to the operating system itself.
>
>
>
> > When I first start up the computer, I can hit the 'esc' key and get to a
screen that gives me access to a command line. grub>
> >
> > Can I adjust the time and date setting from there?
>
> Not as far as I know.  By default, Ubuntu based systems set time to
> UTC, (Universal time, which would be something like 8 hours or so ahead
> of you--for us on the East Coast, it's 4 hours ahead during Daylight
> Savings time.)
>
> You can set the date manually, as was mentioned earlier.
>
> Also, as I believe was mentioned previously, if you want the computer on
> local time, you should edit that /etc/defaults/rcS file.
>
>
> --
> Scott Robbins
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> gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6
>
> Cordelia: Do you know what he's going to do to me when he
> finds out I let his car get stolen? I mean, what are the chances that
> a vampire has full insurance with a low deductible?
>

 





                   >Hi Pals,

>Can anyone tell me if i can create a new user with root's privileges? I
>tried it but i came to know that there is an ID no involved in this scenario,
>root has ID no 0 and duplication of ID no is not recommnended.Says Who? On
which Distro is duplicate not allowed? Though am not that experienced on  Linux
but  I have done this severally on my Centos box and it worked.

  > Please guide me how to create a user then with administrative
privileges.Create  a new user say, superuser and assign it with the new password
and edit /etc/password. U will see this line:
superuser:x:501:501::/home/superuser:/bin/bashwhere the 501 (It could be any
figure)  is the GID (Group ID) and UID (User ID) , cant remember which is stated
first but for  a user to be as a root both must be set to zero, "0", so u edit
it and change both to zero, then save changes and you are good but rather than
do this why not create a sudo list for the user and use sudo anytime you need to
do any root priviledged activity?

 

 

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--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Scott <scottro@...> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 06:48:30PM -0000, m_alexander61 wrote:

> > Hi, all!
> > After reading the latest Linux Journal I'm concerned about rootkits and
> > /dev/mem attacks on my system (Mint 6). To quote (or paste) from the
article:
> > "if CONFIG_STRICT_DEVMEM is set to n rather than y, you need to compile a
> > custom kernel."
>>
> In /boot, there is a file called config.
>
> grep CONFIG_STRICT /boot/config-$(uname -r)
>
> That should tell you.
>
> grep gets the regular expression (hence the name) from the file
> /boot/config-$(uname -r)   (The $(uname -r) just checks the
> configuration file of the kernel that is running, which is found by
> running the command uname -r).
>
> So, the $(uname -r) is just shorthand for grabbing the configuration
> file for the currently running kernel.
>
>
> --
> Scott Robbins
> PGP keyID EB3467D6
> ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 )
> gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6
>
> Angel: It's complicated how this all happened, Buffy, you
> know. It's kind of a long story.
> Buffy: Your new sidekick had a vision, I was in it, you came to
> Sunnydale?
> Angel: Okay, maybe not that long.
>
   Ok, thanks Scott.  I was asking for a "yes" or "no" but your answer was much
better than that.  I'm a newb but I'm Linux for life and I need to learn how to
do things for myself.  I've never "grepped"...it may be illegal in this state
even, but that's a great next step in the terminal.
   Thanks again,
   Mark

On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 08:06:03PM -0000, m_alexander61 wrote:
> --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Scott <scottro@...> wrote:
> >
> >
>   Ok, thanks Scott.  I was asking for a "yes" or "no" but your answer was much
better than that.  I'm a newb but I'm Linux for life and I need to learn how to
do things for myself.  I've never "grepped"...it may be illegal in this state
even, but that's a great next step in the terminal.

Glad it was better than a yes or no, because I didn't have that answer.
:)  (Not running that particular distro.)

The grep command is really really handy.


--
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gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6

Xander: The quick draw is about more than speed. It's also
about pointing the stake the right way. And there can be splinter
issues.

--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, "m_alexander61" <m_alexander61@...> wrote:
>
> --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Scott <scottro@> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 06:48:30PM -0000, m_alexander61 wrote:
>
> > > Hi, all!

<snip>

> > grep gets the regular expression (hence the name) from the file
> > /boot/config-$(uname -r)   (The $(uname -r) just checks the
> > configuration file of the kernel that is running, which is found by
> > running the command uname -r).
> >
> > So, the $(uname -r) is just shorthand for grabbing the configuration
> > file for the currently running kernel.
> > --
> > Scott Robbins

<snip>

>   Ok, thanks Scott.  I was asking for a "yes" or "no" but your answer was much
better than that.  I'm a newb but I'm Linux for life and I need to learn how to
do things for myself.  I've never "grepped"...it may be illegal in this state
even, but that's a great next step in the terminal.
>   Thanks again,
>   Mark
>

Oh, Mark.  You cannot imagine the uses for grep.  It is one of those
tools that once you have it, it becomes a hammer and *everything*
begins looking like a nail.  One of the tricks I use is to find
occurrence of specific calls in a source code tree:

find . -name "*java" -exec grep -l myCodeCall {} \;

Find does what you think it will, locate all of the files in the
tree that end in "java".  It then puts each file name where the
curly brackets are.  In this example, all of the spacing is important.
For example putting the backslash-semi-colon right next to the curlys
will not work.  Anyway, do check out the wonders of grep.  It is
probably my favorite Unix/Linux tool.  Oh and don't get too wrapped
up into the esoteric articles in LJ.  I read it cover to cover but
trust me the root-kit issue probability if SO minuscule you cannot
imagine.  Just because something is theoretically possible, does not
mean that it will ever happen.

Loyal

Loyal Barber wrote:
>
>
> --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:LINUX_Newbies%40yahoogroups.com>, "m_alexander61"
> <m_alexander61@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:LINUX_Newbies%40yahoogroups.com>, Scott <scottro@> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 06:48:30PM -0000, m_alexander61 wrote:
> >
> > > > Hi, all!
>
> <snip>
>
> > > grep gets the regular expression (hence the name) from the file
> > > /boot/config-$(uname -r) (The $(uname -r) just checks the
> > > configuration file of the kernel that is running, which is found by
> > > running the command uname -r).
> > >
> > > So, the $(uname -r) is just shorthand for grabbing the configuration
> > > file for the currently running kernel.
> > > --
> > > Scott Robbins
>
> <snip>
>
> > Ok, thanks Scott. I was asking for a "yes" or "no" but your answer
> was much better than that. I'm a newb but I'm Linux for life and I
> need to learn how to do things for myself. I've never "grepped"...it
> may be illegal in this state even, but that's a great next step in the
> terminal.
> > Thanks again,
> > Mark
> >
>
> Oh, Mark. You cannot imagine the uses for grep. It is one of those
> tools that once you have it, it becomes a hammer and *everything*
> begins looking like a nail. One of the tricks I use is to find
> occurrence of specific calls in a source code tree:
>
> find . -name "*java" -exec grep -l myCodeCall {} \;
>
> Find does what you think it will, locate all of the files in the
> tree that end in "java". It then puts each file name where the
> curly brackets are. In this example, all of the spacing is important.
> For example putting the backslash-semi-colon right next to the curlys
> will not work. Anyway, do check out the wonders of grep. It is
> probably my favorite Unix/Linux tool. Oh and don't get too wrapped
> up into the esoteric articles in LJ. I read it cover to cover but
> trust me the root-kit issue probability if SO minuscule you cannot
> imagine. Just because something is theoretically possible, does not
> mean that it will ever happen.
>
> Loyal
>
>
    This is also a test mess as well as a question.  Where do I find
grep?  I am using ubuntu 6.06lts till I get a newer one.  That's another
question.  How can I use windblows to get both of them.  I can put them
on my memstick then maybe pick them off with my linux box.

--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, jallan6977 <jallan6977@...> wrote:
>
> Loyal Barber wrote:
> >
<snip>

> This is also a test mess as well as a question.  Where do I find
> grep?  I am using ubuntu 6.06lts till I get a newer one.  That's another
> question.  How can I use windblows to get both of them.  I can put them
> on my memstick then maybe pick them off with my linux box.
>

I would think under earlier versions of Ubuntu it would be under /bin
which should be in your path once you have started a terminal (AKA
command line).  I am running 9.04 Ubuntu, Linux Mint 7 (based on
Ubuntu 9.04), and Centos 5.3.  In each instance grep is in /bin.

I don't really understand the question "How can I use windblows to get
both of them."  I never ran Ubuntu 6.06, but I know in 8x and up you
can mount Windows NTFS volumes if you want to grep files there.
If you are looking for grep for windoze, I would suggest a google
search.  However, if you can clarify the question I quoted, that
might help us help you better.

Loyal

Loyal Barber wrote:
>
>
> --- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:LINUX_Newbies%40yahoogroups.com>, jallan6977 <jallan6977@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Loyal Barber wrote:
> > >
> <snip>
>
> > This is also a test mess as well as a question. Where do I find
> > grep? I am using ubuntu 6.06lts till I get a newer one. That's another
> > question. How can I use windblows to get both of them. I can put them
> > on my memstick then maybe pick them off with my linux box.
> >
>
> I would think under earlier versions of Ubuntu it would be under /bin
> which should be in your path once you have started a terminal (AKA
> command line). I am running 9.04 Ubuntu, Linux Mint 7 (based on
> Ubuntu 9.04), and Centos 5.3. In each instance grep is in /bin.
>
> I don't really understand the question "How can I use windblows to get
> both of them." I never ran Ubuntu 6.06, but I know in 8x and up you
> can mount Windows NTFS volumes if you want to grep files there.
> If you are looking for grep for windoze, I would suggest a google
> search. However, if you can clarify the question I quoted, that
> might help us help you better.
>
> Loyal
>
>
    Thanks for answering so quickly.  Actually now that I think of it it
was a dumn question.  I was thinking dld them.  I would send for a 9
disk which would have grep on it.  then I can try to use it.  That's
dangerous for this idiot:>)
    While I am here, when is the next meeting.  I went to one when there
was no meeting, but at least I found the place.  It looked nice.  Much
bigger than the old place.  I hope we near fill it up also.

On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 07:25:35PM -0400, jallan6977 wrote:
> Loyal Barber wrote:
> >
> >
> > > This is also a test mess as well as a question. Where do I find
> > > grep?
>

If I understand the question, the way to find any command is to do

which <command>

For example, here on this CentOS box

which grep

gives me back

/bin/grep

(I know Loyal already told you it's in bin, but it's a standard way to
find out where a command is.)


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I am probably not the first to ask this but I've tried to look at other places
where this question is asked and I've not yet come up with an answer. Places
where I try to look at video, ie: youtube, my subscription greeting cards,
facebook, gaming on facebook and other gaming......these things either do not
load at all or play really choppy, starting and stopping and skipping, video and
sound goes in and out. I've installed java, flash player, latest versions.
Nothing gets any better.

If you can help I'd appreciate it. I'm running Ubuntu/Linux/Debian...not sure
which to call it. Please keep your answer in short simple instructions. Pretend
I'm only 5 years old and you are trying to tell me what to do. LOL  You'll lose
me quickly if it isn't simple. I'm self taught and don't understand a lot of
computer jargon, and I'm 53 so I'm an old dog trying to learn new tricks! 
Thanks!!!

Thanks in advance!!!!

--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, "Loyal Barber" <loyal_barber@...> wrote:
>

>
> Oh, Mark.  You cannot imagine the uses for grep.  It is one of those
> tools that once you have it, it becomes a hammer and *everything*
> begins looking like a nail.  One of the tricks I use is to find
> occurrence of specific calls in a source code tree:
>
> find . -name "*java" -exec grep -l myCodeCall {} \;
>
> Find does what you think it will, locate all of the files in the
> tree that end in "java".  It then puts each file name where the
> curly brackets are.  In this example, all of the spacing is important.
> For example putting the backslash-semi-colon right next to the curlys
> will not work.  Anyway, do check out the wonders of grep.  It is
> probably my favorite Unix/Linux tool.  Oh and don't get too wrapped
> up into the esoteric articles in LJ.  I read it cover to cover but
> trust me the root-kit issue probability if SO minuscule you cannot
> imagine.  Just because something is theoretically possible, does not
> mean that it will ever happen.
>
> Loyal
>
   Thanks, Loyal...I was waiting for you to come in on this one.  After all, it's
your fault I'm using Mint now!  And MANY thanks for the recommendation *yet
again*!
   Mark

--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, "sistersuzette" <sistersuzette@...> wrote:
>
> I am probably not the first to ask this but I've tried to look at other places
where this question is asked and I've not yet come up with an answer. Places
where I try to look at video, ie: youtube, my subscription greeting cards,
facebook, gaming on facebook and other gaming......these things either do not
load at all or play really choppy, starting and stopping and skipping, video and
sound goes in and out. I've installed java, flash player, latest versions.
Nothing gets any better.
>
> If you can help I'd appreciate it. I'm running Ubuntu/Linux/Debian...not sure
which to call it. Please keep your answer in short simple instructions. Pretend
I'm only 5 years old and you are trying to tell me what to do. LOL  You'll lose
me quickly if it isn't simple. I'm self taught and don't understand a lot of
computer jargon, and I'm 53 so I'm an old dog trying to learn new tricks! 
Thanks!!!
>
> Thanks in advance!!!!

   I've had similar problems with some videos, though YouTube always seems to
work OK.  There's probably a better answer but I just open another tab (in
Firefox, of course) and kill some time with email or something else until I feel
like the video has had plenty of time to load.
   Mark
   P.S.  You are using Ubuntu, a Linux distribution ("distro") which was derived
.from the very popular and high-quality Debian distro.  Think of it as a family
tree: GNU/Linux > Debian > Ubuntu.
   P.P.S.  Don't consider yourself an old dog, but a smart dog, smart enough to
leave the comfort zone of Windows for a superior system!

jallan6977 wrote:
>>> This is also a test mess as well as a question. Where do I find
>>> grep? I am using ubuntu 6.06lts till I get a newer one. That's another
>>> question. How can I use windblows to get both of them. I can put them
>>> on my memstick then maybe pick them off with my linux box.
>    Thanks for answering so quickly.  Actually now that I think of it it
> was a dumn question.  I was thinking dld them.  I would send for a 9
> disk which would have grep on it.  then I can try to use it.  That's
> dangerous for this idiot:>)

Well a lot of Linux utilities have been compiled for Windows as well. I
use wget.exe on Windows when I need to download something using a script.
I just asked google and grep is available for Windows as well.
Here is a link: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=grep+windows
and following time honored Windows tradition, you can find a Windows
grep GUI program here .... for a small license fee to remove the nag screen.
http://www.wingrep.com/

Another way to get *nix tool running under Windows is cygwin. It
provides you with a Linux like environment on top of Windows. I have
used this when I needed to run Bash scripts on Windows.
http://www.cygwin.com/

--
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Oh, yes little Bobby Tables, we call him.
[ http://xkcd.com/327/ ]

sistersuzette wrote:
> I am probably not the first to ask this but I've tried to look at other places
where this question is asked and I've not yet come up with an answer. Places
where I try to look at video, ie: youtube, my subscription greeting cards,
facebook, gaming on facebook and other gaming......these things either do not
load at all or play really choppy, starting and stopping and skipping, video and
sound goes in and out. I've installed java, flash player, latest versions.
Nothing gets any better.
> If you can help I'd appreciate it. I'm running Ubuntu/Linux/Debian...not sure
which to call it. Please keep your answer in short simple instructions. Pretend
I'm only 5 years old and you are trying to tell me what to do. LOL  You'll lose
me quickly if it isn't simple. I'm self taught and don't understand a lot of
computer jargon, and I'm 53 so I'm an old dog trying to learn new tricks! 
Thanks!!!
> Thanks in advance!!!!

I don't use *buntu so the following may not apply but I had problems
with flash videos skipping or freezing on ARCH Linux.
I solved it by adding my username to the video and audio group.

# vi /etc/group
or with nano
# nano /etc/group
and add your username at the end of video and audio

video:x:91:some_other_user,your_user_name_here
audio::92:your_user_name_here

I don't remember if this will "just work" or if you need to logoff and
back in.

Another cause could be incorrect video drivers.
--
John
A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not
prove anything.
[Friedrich Nietzsche]

> Pretend I'm only 5 years old and you are trying to tell me what to do

I missed that part :)

Don't use vi, use the nano command. When done press CTRL+X to exit and
it will ask if you wish to save your changes.

So on *buntu this should be

sudo nano /etc/group

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On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 04:46:35PM +0200, John Black wrote:

> sistersuzette wrote:

> > If you can help I'd appreciate it. I'm running Ubuntu/Linux/Debian...not
sure which to call it. Please keep your answer in short simple instructions.
Pretend I'm only 5 years old and you are trying to tell me what to do. LOL 
You'll lose me quickly if it isn't simple. I'm self taught and don't understand
a lot of computer jargon, and I'm 53 so I'm an old dog trying to learn new
tricks!  Thanks!!!
> > Thanks in advance!!!!
>
>
> video:x:91:some_other_user,your_user_name_here
> audio::92:your_user_name_here
>
> I don't remember if this will "just work" or if you need to logoff and
> back in.

The general rule--sheesh John, you're too young to have these memory
lapses--is that changes to group membership only take effect on the next
log in, so you will have to log out and log in again.



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Scott wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 04:46:35PM +0200, John Black wrote:
>> I don't remember if this will "just work" or if you need to logoff and
>> back in.
> The general rule--sheesh John, you're too young to have these memory
> lapses--is that changes to group membership only take effect on the next
> log in, so you will have to log out and log in again.

No worries, I have not lost my mind yet.
I am just following my information retention policy which will not
commit trivial information to memory :)

--
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then why are you wearing a seatbelt?
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heyyy friends........

i am new in linux. I have been using ubuntu 9.04 since June 2009!! Now I have
been facing a problem with that!! Firstly I couldn't install tarball files..
Then I head to internet- there i found some help!!
i used
./configure
make
make install
commands......
still i couldnt install it!!!


please people help me!!



akash 


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On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 09:38:05AM -0700, Akash Goswami wrote:
> heyyy friends........
>
> i am new in linux. I have been using ubuntu 9.04 since June 2009!! Now I have
been facing a problem with that!! Firstly I couldn't install tarball files..
Then I head to internet- there i found some help!!
> i used
> ./configure
> make
> make install
> commands......
> still i couldnt install it!!!
>
>
> please people help me!!

It's difficult, because we have to guess what the problem is.  :)

Ubuntu doesn't come with the compiling tools by default, you might have
to do

aptitude install build-essentials linux-headers-$(uname -r)


However, that's only a guess.  What do you mean when you say you can't
install it?  What sort of error do you get?

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Hello everyone,

    I am new to the group and to Linux as well.
I just had this system installed on a separate hard drive and i have Windows on
the other. I had been in the shop more than i been on this spring due to spyware
i was told Linux was much safer than windows.  My problem is  this I use to have
sound  no problem what so ever when i took this in to have Linux installed, well
when i got it back i have no sound on either system.  My question is does Linux
offer sound?  I know this sounds lame but i was told there is on on Linux and
this sounds so odd to me. I am at such a loss and don't know what to do i can
not live with out my music.  I hope to learn a lot from you all i like what i
have seen and used so far but i am green and i willing to learn more.

Hope someone can help and guide me in the right direction.

Marilyn

Hello Marilyn,

yes Linux has sound support :) and all major Linux distributions should
detect major sounds cards during the installation.

If you can tell us the name or your distribution we might be able to
help you use the distribution's tools.

Could you please open a console window as well and send us the output of
a command back?
Here is how you do it.
Locate a program called Konsole, Console or maybe Terminal and open it.
You can usually find this program in the System or Application menu.

This should open a window which will allow you to type in a command,
enter the following and press Enter
	 lspci

This will list your PCI devices and should tell us what device you are
using. You can highlight the output using your mouse, just like you are
used to from MS Windows.
Left click at the beginning of the next, keep the left mouse bottom
down, and move your mouse to the end of the text. The text should become
highlighted when you do this.
Now go into the EDIT Menu on top of the terminal window and select copy.
Last step is to create a reply to this message and paste the next ...
usually right mouse click => Paste

The above information and the name of your distribution should help us
guide you in the right direction.
Please let me know if something is not clear and I will attempt to
explain it better.

--
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von abhängigen Menschen unabhängige Meinungen erwarten zu dürfen.
[Sigmund Graff]

Akash Goswami wrote:
> heyyy friends........
> i am new in linux. I have been using ubuntu 9.04 since June 2009!! Now I have
been facing a problem with that!! Firstly I couldn't install tarball files..
> i used
> ./configure
> make
> make install
> commands......
> still i couldnt install it!!!

As Scott already mentioned, you may need to install the development
packages. gcc, make and possibly the kernel headers should satisfy most
dependencies.

But unless you run ./configure with options telling make install where
it is supposed to place your file it will most likely need root permissions.
On Ubuntu you can try
	 sudo make install

But posting the error message would be good idea as well....

--
John
All truth is simple... is that not doubly a lie?
[Friedrich Nietzsche]

>>...does Linux offer sound?

Yes.  Linux offers just about everything Windows does and possibly more.  The
fact that sound is not working under Linux or Windows on your machine may point
to some sort of hardware issue. 


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