Just a quick question...

I have a 2317 and the outdoor wind sensor has been struggling in the cold today.
At about 3am, it got under 28 degrees here in north Texas and is now down to 18
degrees. The ice storm we have just had froze the wind vane part of the sensor
and everything stopped reporting from the wind sensor at that time. It was
reading 0.0MPH and the direction was locked to the north west.

Just ran outside and freed up the direction vane, which is working fine,
reporting direction as expected.

The turbine (while is free to rotate and I can turn it using my fingers), just
isn't turning in the wind, which is gusting at about 40MPH right now. I can't
see anything blocking it's movement, but I'm not going to spend too much time
out there to verify it today :)

It is reporting 0.0MPH.

Does anyone know of a lowest temperature below which it won't work?

Mine has worked to -22 F.  Lowest reading I have recorded.  Wind sensor
functioned properly.

Bill Boggess


On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 15:32 +0000, Brian R wrote:
>
> Just a quick question...
>
> I have a 2317 and the outdoor wind sensor has been struggling in the
> cold today. At about 3am, it got under 28 degrees here in north Texas
> and is now down to 18 degrees. The ice storm we have just had froze
> the wind vane part of the sensor and everything stopped reporting from
> the wind sensor at that time. It was reading 0.0MPH and the direction
> was locked to the north west.
>
> Just ran outside and freed up the direction vane, which is working
> fine, reporting direction as expected.
>
> The turbine (while is free to rotate and I can turn it using my
> fingers), just isn't turning in the wind, which is gusting at about
> 40MPH right now. I can't see anything blocking it's movement, but I'm
> not going to spend too much time out there to verify it today :)
>
> It is reporting 0.0MPH.
>
> Does anyone know of a lowest temperature below which it won't work?
>
>
>
>
>

My 2310 apears to be sensitive to battery voltage.  New batteries: wind speed
works fine.  Batteries drop to X level: no wind speed reports (even during a
storm that produced 60mph winds).  Batteries drop somehwere lower than X: wind
speed again reported.
Yes, I need to replace the batteries.  No, it won't be soon. There's rain and
wind today and I see the surgeon about a torn rotator cuff this afternoon - not
about to try chaning batteries with one hand while standing on a ladder :-( 
Maybe my wife will want the wind reports enough to climb the ladder ;-)  The
temp, humidiy, and wind direction report consistently regardless of battery
level.  Ignore any typos - it's hard to type when your dominant hand isn't fully
functional.

John


--- In Lacrosse_weather_stations@yahoogroups.com, Bill Boggess <bboggess@...>
wrote:
>
> Mine has worked to -22 F.  Lowest reading I have recorded.  Wind sensor
> functioned properly.
>
> Bill Boggess
>
>
> On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 15:32 +0000, Brian R wrote:
> >
> > Just a quick question...
> >
> > I have a 2317 and the outdoor wind sensor has been struggling in the
> > cold today. At about 3am, it got under 28 degrees here in north Texas
> > and is now down to 18 degrees. The ice storm we have just had froze
> > the wind vane part of the sensor and everything stopped reporting from
> > the wind sensor at that time. It was reading 0.0MPH and the direction
> > was locked to the north west.
> >
> > Just ran outside and freed up the direction vane, which is working
> > fine, reporting direction as expected.
> >
> > The turbine (while is free to rotate and I can turn it using my
> > fingers), just isn't turning in the wind, which is gusting at about
> > 40MPH right now. I can't see anything blocking it's movement, but I'm
> > not going to spend too much time out there to verify it today :)
> >
> > It is reporting 0.0MPH.
> >
> > Does anyone know of a lowest temperature below which it won't work?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

This is exactly why I use the AC adapter and only rely on the batteries
for backup.  Then again.... I run in wired mode not wireless.

Rich

On 2/1/2011 10:57 AM, johnecarter wrote:
>
> My 2310 apears to be sensitive to battery voltage. New batteries: wind
> speed works fine. Batteries drop to X level: no wind speed reports
> (even during a storm that produced 60mph winds). Batteries drop
> somehwere lower than X: wind speed again reported.
>
> _


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If you use batteries in the outdoor temperature sensor, be sure to use
lithium ones.  They will work better in cold weather and last much longer. I
get two year's use from a set.

Doug
On Feb 1, 2011 2:02 PM, "Rich Brunnworth" <ibbrunnie@...> wrote:
> This is exactly why I use the AC adapter and only rely on the batteries
> for backup. Then again.... I run in wired mode not wireless.
>
> Rich
>
> On 2/1/2011 10:57 AM, johnecarter wrote:
>>
>> My 2310 apears to be sensitive to battery voltage. New batteries: wind
>> speed works fine. Batteries drop to X level: no wind speed reports
>> (even during a storm that produced 60mph winds). Batteries drop
>> somehwere lower than X: wind speed again reported.
>>
>> _
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I've written some new weather charting softwar. It uses svg to show the
information and features:-

     * Control of charting period
     * Control of display units
     * Compass widget to show wind strength


You can see it running here:-

http://chuzzlewit.co.uk/SavageWeather.pl
<http://chuzzlewit.co.uk/SavageWeather.pl>

And the manual (which includes a link to the software download) is
here:-

http://www.chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk/SavageWeather/SavageWeather.pdf
<http://www.chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk/SavageWeather/SavageWeather.pdf>

I'd be interested in any feedback.

Cheers

Deri


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

All good suggestions... Use fresh batteries or A/C and use Lithium's.

That the battery condition is not exactly 100% makes sense, it is cold (still
single digits outside at 7am this morning), and the batteries have been in the
outside unit for at least six months.

I run my unit in wireless mode and a couple of years ago, I did design a solar
powered charger for a rechargeable battery set, but never actually built it.
Maybe this is a project I should dig up from the grave...

I mention this here/now merely as an abstract possibility, off-hand
recalling no prior mention in group threads (whereas bearing
degradation/friction and low-temperature battery performance, more likely
explanations for malfunction, have been raised many times in years past.)
Although to my casual understanding, LaCrosse weather stations use very
crude, resonant pulse signaling, it might be that the transmitter is not
well temperature-compensated, and de-tuning at low (or high) temperature
lessens the effective range-- such that communication is lost.
Hypothetically, de-tuning could further result from effects of component
aging, without recovery subsequent to a return to "normal" temps.


On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Brian R <bjrichus@...> wrote:

>
>
> All good suggestions... Use fresh batteries or A/C and use Lithium's.
>
> That the battery condition is not exactly 100% makes sense, it is cold
> (still single digits outside at 7am this morning), and the batteries have
> been in the outside unit for at least six months.
>
> I run my unit in wireless mode and a couple of years ago, I did design a
> solar powered charger for a rechargeable battery set, but never actually
> built it. Maybe this is a project I should dig up from the grave...
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> it might be that the transmitter is not

>well temperature- compensated, and
>de-tuning at low (or high) temperature
>lessens the effective range-- such
>that communication is lost

Jeff,

I cannot do anything about the poor LaCrosse design - except buying a different
brand.Perhaps at my next birthday?

I can at this stage, only do stuff like changing the batteries...

By the way, the wind direction sensor has right through this ice storm and low
temps worked without a problem. The speed sensor is the problem and I know it
isn't the best designed part of these devices. Since It got cold, it seems to
work 40% of the time, which implies it or the batteries, are working right on
the margins... We'll see how it goes. Should be back above freezing again for
the weekend.

Thanks.

I have a 4 years old WS3600 with same fault,
wired connection stopped working 2011-02-04,
wireless was always unreliable due to thick walls
but has also stopped completely.

Now both sensor and main units are side by side on my workbench.

There are two large IC-chips in the main console,
the upper chip seems to control most of the display and touch screen,
the lower chip is probably the main CPU/controller and also controls
the bottom two text lines of the display.

I have confirmed with an oscilloscope that the CPU-chip in the
outdoor unit is transmitting data approximately every 8 seconds
when wired and the signal goes all the way to the main CPU
(bottom chip) in the main console (a square wave
approx. 2.3Vpp looks good enough to me).

Also found that the signal from the wireless receiver is connected
via a diode to the same pcb-track to the CPU (bottom) chip
and the wireless signal also goes all the way to the CPU.

All chips use the same low clock frequency, there are
three 32768Hz miniature "watch"-crystals, one for each chip.
Just in case they might have changed frequency I tried
swapping them around and replacing with same frequency
crystals from a watch - no improvement.

Suspect the data input on the indoor unit is faulty,
but can´t be sure, the outdoor sensor might also be
sending good looking garbage data.

WS3600 seems to be unavailable now, WS2350 looks like
something I might try.
Does anyone know if WS23xx can use same wind sensor ?
(it is on top of a 10m pole that is hard to lay down).

Best regards.

Thor.

http://www.ismennt.is/not/thorh/





--- In Lacrosse_weather_stations@yahoogroups.com, "grahamrichards1"
<grahamrichards@...> wrote:>
>
> Ken, Thanks for the reply.
>
> It seems a shame but as you did I fear I may opt for replacing the unit
completely.  I've seen the outdoor transmitter box 2300-25 on ebay and at
various retailers for £40 or so.  Relative to this a similar complete weather
station can be bought from Maplin for £60ish from which I would benefit new
sensors, cabling etc and possibly a better cup anenometer etc.
>
> I'd rather know what's wrong with my current weather station though.  As in
your case too with or without cable the sensor does not talk to the display
unit.
>
> There are some reset instructions on the LaCrosse website suggesting a 15 min
power down and restart.  I'll give this a try.  Failing that I'll try my luck at
requesting support from LaCrosse.
>
> Cheers
> Graham
>
> --- In Lacrosse_weather_stations@yahoogroups.com, Ken <ken.wagnitz@> wrote:
> >
> > Hmmm... its starting to look like these weather stations have a built-in
> > failure mechanism!
> > Same thing happened to me, and I couldn't figure out what had died.  -But I
> > didn't apply any RF measuring, since the cable connection had died too.
> >
> > So maybe the relevant questoin is... has anyone had this happen, and
> > successfully resumed operation by replacing the sensor/sender unit?
> >
> > I took the wimp's way out, and bought a whole new weatherstation of a
> > different and cheaper brand.
> > I'd already pulled the wind sensor apart to unstick & lubricate it, and the
> > bearing was somewhat worn.  That and sun damage to all the plastic & cables
> > made me think a total replacement was in order.
> >
> > Ken.
> >
> >
> > On 31 January 2011 04:56, grahamrichards1 <grahamrichards@> wrote:
> >
> > > My 3 year old weather station has stopped receiving data from the outdoor
> > > sensor.  I have tried fresh batteries, hard-wire cable connection -
numerous
> > > turn off & ons of both sensor and display unit all to no-avail.  Looking
at
> > > the sensor pcb all looks fine.  There's no corrosion anywhere on the board
> > > and from what I can see all the solder joints look fine.
> > >
> > > Can anybody give me guidance please on going forward? Are there any
circuit
> > > diagrams available that would help with diagnosis?  Are there any tests I
> > > could complete?  I'd like to confirm the sensor is faulty rather than go
and
> > > buy either a new sensor only or a complete weather station.
> > >
> > > Any assistance much appreciated...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

My WS-3600 broke down after 5½ years of service. The fault was on the outdoor
unit. This was confirmed by testing with other weatherstations (me and two
work colleagues got a discount by buying three at once). The other two had
various faults as well, one of which was the outdoor sensor. It was not the
transmitting unit, rather the temp/humidity chip inside that unit. You can see
this if you go to my archives, and check late August 2010 (when the sensor
broke down) - rain data is recorded after the temperature stopped.

I replaced mine with a WS-2307 from eBay for £50, which has been running
smoothly since October. The only differences are that it only stores 1/10th of
the records (~170), and that it doesn't report wind gusts.

I'm now running wired, rather than wireless.

The rain gauges are the same - I am still using my old rain gauge. However the
wind sensors appear not to be compatible. But in any case my WS-3600 wind
gauge was giving very poor performance by the end, anyway.

Adrian (live data from my WS-2307 and archives since March 2005 at
http://users.aber.ac.uk/ais/weather/)

Ysgrifennodd Thor:
>
>
> I have a 4 years old WS3600 with same fault,
> wired connection stopped working 2011-02-04,
> wireless was always unreliable due to thick walls
> but has also stopped completely.
>
> Now both sensor and main units are side by side on my workbench.
>
> There are two large IC-chips in the main console,
> the upper chip seems to control most of the display and touch screen,
> the lower chip is probably the main CPU/controller and also controls
> the bottom two text lines of the display.
>
> I have confirmed with an oscilloscope that the CPU-chip in the
> outdoor unit is transmitting data approximately every 8 seconds
> when wired and the signal goes all the way to the main CPU
> (bottom chip) in the main console (a square wave
> approx. 2.3Vpp looks good enough to me).
>
> Also found that the signal from the wireless receiver is connected
> via a diode to the same pcb-track to the CPU (bottom) chip
> and the wireless signal also goes all the way to the CPU.
>
> All chips use the same low clock frequency, there are
> three 32768Hz miniature "watch"-crystals, one for each chip.
> Just in case they might have changed frequency I tried
> swapping them around and replacing with same frequency
> crystals from a watch - no improvement.
>
> Suspect the data input on the indoor unit is faulty,
> but can´t be sure, the outdoor sensor might also be
> sending good looking garbage data.
>
> WS3600 seems to be unavailable now, WS2350 looks like
> something I might try.
> Does anyone know if WS23xx can use same wind sensor ?
> (it is on top of a 10m pole that is hard to lay down).
>
> Best regards.
>
> Thor.
>
> http://www.ismennt.is/not/thorh/
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Lacrosse_weather_stations@yahoogroups.com, "grahamrichards1"
> <grahamrichards@...> wrote:>
>>
>> Ken, Thanks for the reply.
>>
>> It seems a shame but as you did I fear I may opt for replacing the unit
>> completely.  I've seen the outdoor transmitter box 2300-25 on ebay and at
>> various retailers for £40 or so.  Relative to this a similar complete
>> weather station can be bought from Maplin for £60ish from which I would
>> benefit new sensors, cabling etc and possibly a better cup anenometer etc.
>>
>> I'd rather know what's wrong with my current weather station though.  As in
>> your case too with or without cable the sensor does not talk to the display
>> unit.
>>
>> There are some reset instructions on the LaCrosse website suggesting a 15
>> min power down and restart.  I'll give this a try.  Failing that I'll try my
>> luck at requesting support from LaCrosse.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Graham
>>
>> --- In Lacrosse_weather_stations@yahoogroups.com, Ken <ken.wagnitz@> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hmmm... its starting to look like these weather stations have a built-in
>> > failure mechanism!
>> > Same thing happened to me, and I couldn't figure out what had died.  -But
>> I
>> > didn't apply any RF measuring, since the cable connection had died too.
>> >
>> > So maybe the relevant questoin is... has anyone had this happen, and
>> > successfully resumed operation by replacing the sensor/sender unit?
>> >
>> > I took the wimp's way out, and bought a whole new weatherstation of a
>> > different and cheaper brand.
>> > I'd already pulled the wind sensor apart to unstick & lubricate it, and
>> the
>> > bearing was somewhat worn.  That and sun damage to all the plastic &
>> cables
>> > made me think a total replacement was in order.
>> >
>> > Ken.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 31 January 2011 04:56, grahamrichards1 <grahamrichards@> wrote:
>> >
>> > > My 3 year old weather station has stopped receiving data from the
>> outdoor
>> > > sensor.  I have tried fresh batteries, hard-wire cable connection -
>> numerous
>> > > turn off & ons of both sensor and display unit all to no-avail.  Looking
>> at
>> > > the sensor pcb all looks fine.  There's no corrosion anywhere on the
>> board
>> > > and from what I can see all the solder joints look fine.
>> > >
>> > > Can anybody give me guidance please on going forward? Are there any
>> circuit
>> > > diagrams available that would help with diagnosis?  Are there any tests
>> I
>> > > could complete?  I'd like to confirm the sensor is faulty rather than go
>> and
>> > > buy either a new sensor only or a complete weather station.
>> > >
>> > > Any assistance much appreciated...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ------------------------------------
>> > >
>> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>>
>
>
>

Adrian, thank you for the reply.

My station just shows --.- for wind, temp. and humidity, rain is 0.0 I have not
tested the rain sensor, may try it next weekend.

Unfortunately I do not know anyone nearby that has a WS3600 or any other
LaCrosse station to test the sensor.

I really want a wind gust measurements, there seem to be different opinions or
standards regarding how long the gust interval should be, the WS3600 did not use
the official Icelandic Met Office method, but was close enough for me.

I also understand the wind sensor may be near the end of its life after this
time (worn out bearings) so I should perhaps shop for a better quality station.

Best regards

Thor.




--- In Lacrosse_weather_stations@yahoogroups.com, "Adrian D. Shaw" <ais@...>
wrote:
>
> My WS-3600 broke down after 5½ years of service. The fault was on the outdoor
> unit. This was confirmed by testing with other weatherstations (me and two
> work colleagues got a discount by buying three at once). The other two had
> various faults as well, one of which was the outdoor sensor. It was not the
> transmitting unit, rather the temp/humidity chip inside that unit. You can see
> this if you go to my archives, and check late August 2010 (when the sensor
> broke down) - rain data is recorded after the temperature stopped.
>
> I replaced mine with a WS-2307 from eBay for £50, which has been running
> smoothly since October. The only differences are that it only stores 1/10th of
> the records (~170), and that it doesn't report wind gusts.
>
> I'm now running wired, rather than wireless.
>
> The rain gauges are the same - I am still using my old rain gauge. However the
> wind sensors appear not to be compatible. But in any case my WS-3600 wind
> gauge was giving very poor performance by the end, anyway.
>
> Adrian (live data from my WS-2307 and archives since March 2005 at
> http://users.aber.ac.uk/ais/weather/)
>
> Ysgrifennodd Thor:
> >
> >
> > I have a 4 years old WS3600 with same fault,
> > wired connection stopped working 2011-02-04,
> > wireless was always unreliable due to thick walls
> > but has also stopped completely.
> >
> > Now both sensor and main units are side by side on my workbench.
> >
> > There are two large IC-chips in the main console,
> > the upper chip seems to control most of the display and touch screen,
> > the lower chip is probably the main CPU/controller and also controls
> > the bottom two text lines of the display.
> >
> > I have confirmed with an oscilloscope that the CPU-chip in the
> > outdoor unit is transmitting data approximately every 8 seconds
> > when wired and the signal goes all the way to the main CPU
> > (bottom chip) in the main console (a square wave
> > approx. 2.3Vpp looks good enough to me).
> >
> > Also found that the signal from the wireless receiver is connected
> > via a diode to the same pcb-track to the CPU (bottom) chip
> > and the wireless signal also goes all the way to the CPU.
> >
> > All chips use the same low clock frequency, there are
> > three 32768Hz miniature "watch"-crystals, one for each chip.
> > Just in case they might have changed frequency I tried
> > swapping them around and replacing with same frequency
> > crystals from a watch - no improvement.
> >
> > Suspect the data input on the indoor unit is faulty,
> > but can´t be sure, the outdoor sensor might also be
> > sending good looking garbage data.
> >
> > WS3600 seems to be unavailable now, WS2350 looks like
> > something I might try.
> > Does anyone know if WS23xx can use same wind sensor ?
> > (it is on top of a 10m pole that is hard to lay down).
> >
> > Best regards.
> >
> > Thor.
> >
> > http://www.ismennt.is/not/thorh/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Lacrosse_weather_stations@yahoogroups.com, "grahamrichards1"
> > <grahamrichards@> wrote:>
> >>
> >> Ken, Thanks for the reply.
> >>
> >> It seems a shame but as you did I fear I may opt for replacing the unit
> >> completely.  I've seen the outdoor transmitter box 2300-25 on ebay and at
> >> various retailers for £40 or so.  Relative to this a similar complete
> >> weather station can be bought from Maplin for £60ish from which I would
> >> benefit new sensors, cabling etc and possibly a better cup anenometer etc.
> >>
> >> I'd rather know what's wrong with my current weather station though.  As in
> >> your case too with or without cable the sensor does not talk to the display
> >> unit.
> >>
> >> There are some reset instructions on the LaCrosse website suggesting a 15
> >> min power down and restart.  I'll give this a try.  Failing that I'll try
my
> >> luck at requesting support from LaCrosse.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Graham
> >>
> >> --- In Lacrosse_weather_stations@yahoogroups.com, Ken <ken.wagnitz@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hmmm... its starting to look like these weather stations have a built-in
> >> > failure mechanism!
> >> > Same thing happened to me, and I couldn't figure out what had died.  -But
> >> I
> >> > didn't apply any RF measuring, since the cable connection had died too.
> >> >
> >> > So maybe the relevant questoin is... has anyone had this happen, and
> >> > successfully resumed operation by replacing the sensor/sender unit?
> >> >
> >> > I took the wimp's way out, and bought a whole new weatherstation of a
> >> > different and cheaper brand.
> >> > I'd already pulled the wind sensor apart to unstick & lubricate it, and
> >> the
> >> > bearing was somewhat worn.  That and sun damage to all the plastic &
> >> cables
> >> > made me think a total replacement was in order.
> >> >
> >> > Ken.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 31 January 2011 04:56, grahamrichards1 <grahamrichards@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > My 3 year old weather station has stopped receiving data from the
> >> outdoor
> >> > > sensor.  I have tried fresh batteries, hard-wire cable connection -
> >> numerous
> >> > > turn off & ons of both sensor and display unit all to no-avail. 
Looking
> >> at
> >> > > the sensor pcb all looks fine.  There's no corrosion anywhere on the
> >> board
> >> > > and from what I can see all the solder joints look fine.
> >> > >
> >> > > Can anybody give me guidance please on going forward? Are there any
> >> circuit
> >> > > diagrams available that would help with diagnosis?  Are there any tests
> >> I
> >> > > could complete?  I'd like to confirm the sensor is faulty rather than
go
> >> and
> >> > > buy either a new sensor only or a complete weather station.
> >> > >
> >> > > Any assistance much appreciated...
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ------------------------------------
> >> > >
> >> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

I thought I would post this for reference.  I have solved a problem I have been
having with my WS2315 and HeavyWeather 2.0 beta software (which is now about 5
years old...).   After a short period of connection time, the heavyweather
software would disconnect and only a reboot of the Pc would make it reconnect. 
I tried upgrading my serial to usb adaptor software driver, seeing if there was
a heavyweather software upgrade (ha ha ha), and actually writing my own reader
for the weather station.  Ends up that I played with the com port which was
assigned to the weather station (com2 in my case) and set the "Transmit Complete
timing advance" to faster from default.   This seemed to fix the problem.   I do
not know why this may have changed, but when I changed that setting, the
heavyweather 2.0 beta was able to maintain a connection.   Only windows updates
have been applied to this particular PC over the last couple years, but of
course there have been many other devices attached to it.  Only the weather
station used the serial to usb connector though.

Just some info for those that may run into the same or similar issue.

steve d
www.pinkyjaq.com for a view of our current weather.

Interesting Steve; what operating system and brand/model of USB/RS232
adapter and driver release?

Jeff

On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 5:27 PM, msdickerson <msdickerson@...> wrote:

>
>
> I thought I would post this for reference. I have solved a problem I have
> been having with my WS2315 and HeavyWeather 2.0 beta software (which is now
> about 5 years old...). After a short period of connection time, the
> heavyweather software would disconnect and only a reboot of the Pc would
> make it reconnect. I tried upgrading my serial to usb adaptor software
> driver, seeing if there was a heavyweather software upgrade (ha ha ha), and
> actually writing my own reader for the weather station. Ends up that I
> played with the com port which was assigned to the weather station (com2 in
> my case) and set the "Transmit Complete timing advance" to faster from
> default. This seemed to fix the problem. I do not know why this may have
> changed, but when I changed that setting, the heavyweather 2.0 beta was able
> to maintain a connection. Only windows updates have been applied to this
> particular PC over the last couple years, but of course there have been many
> other devices attached to it. Only the weather station used the serial to
> usb connector though.
>
> Just some info for those that may run into the same or similar issue.
>
> steve d
> www.pinkyjaq.com for a view of our current weather.
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I am running XP home (service pack is current ....), and the serial adapter to
USB is a Keyspan Item#: 471471 Mfr#: USA-19HS..  Driver was just again
downloaded and is dated 2007 for the keyspan adapter.  I redid the driver when I
started having issues with the connection, but it actually made things worse.
(updating from a 2005 release to the 2007 release).

It normally had worked fine after initial installation (12/06) so something
changed on this old PC which somehow adjusted the port settings.  I am guessing
maybe another install or a Windows update might have messed with the settings. 
But I found this by accident after starting to write a new interface (using
fetch2300.c and perl scripts)..

steve d
www.pinkyjaq.com

--- In Lacrosse_weather_stations@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Bogumil <rjbogumil@...>
wrote:
>
> Interesting Steve; what operating system and brand/model of USB/RS232
> adapter and driver release?
>
> Jeff
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 5:27 PM, msdickerson <msdickerson@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I thought I would post this for reference. I have solved a problem I have
> > been having with my WS2315 and HeavyWeather 2.0 beta software (which is now
> > about 5 years old...). After a short period of connection time, the
> > heavyweather software would disconnect and only a reboot of the Pc would
> > make it reconnect. I tried upgrading my serial to usb adaptor software
> > driver, seeing if there was a heavyweather software upgrade (ha ha ha), and
> > actually writing my own reader for the weather station. Ends up that I
> > played with the com port which was assigned to the weather station (com2 in
> > my case) and set the "Transmit Complete timing advance" to faster from
> > default. This seemed to fix the problem. I do not know why this may have
> > changed, but when I changed that setting, the heavyweather 2.0 beta was able
> > to maintain a connection. Only windows updates have been applied to this
> > particular PC over the last couple years, but of course there have been many
> > other devices attached to it. Only the weather station used the serial to
> > usb connector though.
> >
> > Just some info for those that may run into the same or similar issue.
> >
> > steve d
> > www.pinkyjaq.com for a view of our current weather.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Thanks for the extra information Steve.  FWIW, as preserved somewhere in
this group's message archive, I had great hopes for the Keyspan USA-19HS--
clearly more sophisticated, and in principle even firmware/microcode
re-programmable.  BUT, in trial use, found it to rank among the least
effective USB-RS232 adapters for my (more com-port demanding, and never
fully successful) attempts to periodically dump a Lacrosse-WS8610
>2k-record data-cache (under Windows XP and/or Vista.)  Nevertheless, years
later, I still idly monitor this group, hoping for a remedy.

Jeff

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 9:30 AM, msdickerson <msdickerson@...> wrote:

>
>
> I am running XP home (service pack is current ....), and the serial adapter
> to USB is a Keyspan Item#: 471471 Mfr#: USA-19HS.. Driver was just again
> downloaded and is dated 2007 for the keyspan adapter. I redid the driver
> when I started having issues with the connection, but it actually made
> things worse. (updating from a 2005 release to the 2007 release).
>
> It normally had worked fine after initial installation (12/06) so something
> changed on this old PC which somehow adjusted the port settings. I am
> guessing maybe another install or a Windows update might have messed with
> the settings. But I found this by accident after starting to write a new
> interface (using fetch2300.c and perl scripts)..
>
> steve d
> www.pinkyjaq.com
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Sounds like I picked the "winner" rs232 adapter.....

Anyway, with the change to the Com setting, it is now consistent again.

steve d
www.pinkyjaq.com

--- In Lacrosse_weather_stations@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Bogumil <rjbogumil@...>
wrote:
>
> Thanks for the extra information Steve.  FWIW, as preserved somewhere in
> this group's message archive, I had great hopes for the Keyspan USA-19HS--
> clearly more sophisticated, and in principle even firmware/microcode
> re-programmable.  BUT, in trial use, found it to rank among the least
> effective USB-RS232 adapters for my (more com-port demanding, and never
> fully successful) attempts to periodically dump a Lacrosse-WS8610
> >2k-record data-cache (under Windows XP and/or Vista.)  Nevertheless, years
> later, I still idly monitor this group, hoping for a remedy.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 9:30 AM, msdickerson <msdickerson@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I am running XP home (service pack is current ....), and the serial adapter
> > to USB is a Keyspan Item#: 471471 Mfr#: USA-19HS.. Driver was just again
> > downloaded and is dated 2007 for the keyspan adapter. I redid the driver
> > when I started having issues with the connection, but it actually made
> > things worse. (updating from a 2005 release to the 2007 release).
> >
> > It normally had worked fine after initial installation (12/06) so something
> > changed on this old PC which somehow adjusted the port settings. I am
> > guessing maybe another install or a Windows update might have messed with
> > the settings. But I found this by accident after starting to write a new
> > interface (using fetch2300.c and perl scripts)..
> >
> > steve d
> > www.pinkyjaq.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I have the need of connecting a remote WS2300 and WS8610 units to my
computer.

I think that it should be easy using two Bluetooth dongles connected to each
unit.

Unfortunately I don't find any info on this in the forum and I doubt if it
is possible.



Could anybody help me on this?

  Is the RS232 cable used by the units a standard one ( with the conventional
pin assignement)?



Thank you in advance.



Paolo



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Use of a bluetooth dongle for communication requires that the device(s) and
port the dongle is attached to has been expressly designed for the purpose--
either with appropriate firmware, or loadable device drivers.

That is not true of LaCrosse weather stations.


On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:19 AM, paolo becchi <pbecchi@...>wrote:

>
>
> I have the need of connecting a remote WS2300 and WS8610 units to my
> computer.
>
> I think that it should be easy using two Bluetooth dongles connected to
> each
> unit.
>
> Unfortunately I don't find any info on this in the forum and I doubt if it
> is possible.
>
> Could anybody help me on this?
>
> Is the RS232 cable used by the units a standard one ( with the conventional
> pin assignement)?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Paolo
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> Is the RS232 cable used by the units a standard one ( with the conventional
>pin assignement)?
Yes, but be aware that the weather stations use 2 handshake pins as a
reference for the data-signals. They need to stay high and low for the
weather stations to be able to transmit anything.

So if your Bluetooth deviceses do not support the use of HW handshake
signals you are lost.


/Hans

Hello Hans

Let me try to summarize what I have understood from your explanation and
some other reading

	 Handshaking is done with the two pin:
		 7 CTS clear to send set to "0" positive voltage
		 8 RTS ready to send set to "1" negative voltage

       Booth pin are set by the PC for the transmission to start(may be they
are set the other way around....I really don’t know).

	 Signal are on standard  pin 2 and pin 3, but 0 volt reference is not
on pin 5 as usual
       It will then be necessary to connect with appropriate resistor the
three pin this way:

		 Pin7-----resistor------pin5------resistor ------pin8

So that when pin7 is +5V and pin 8 is -5V pin5 is 0V.

Do you think this will work ?

As you understand I am not en expert in electronics; therefore I need
support and suggestions.

Thank you

Paolo

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Kjaergaard [mailto:hans.k2teknik@...]
Sent: mercoledì 1 giugno 2011 13.01
To: paolo becchi
Subject: Re: [LacrosseWS] Bluetooth RS232-connection

Hi Paolo

It is tricky the way they use the handshake.
Now I do not know how much you know about electronics, but I hope you
have some KnowHow ?

First of all, there is no "Ground Signal" in the LaCrosse.

On the PC that runs the  LaCrosse Sw they setup two of the HW
handshake signals respectively to High and Low.

So the LaCrosse do that trick that it short curcits the Data pin to
respectively the High and Low Handshakes pins to produce a signal.

One could make a pice of HW to interface betwen the LaCrosse and any
RS232 device, it should be simple.


/Hans

On Wed, 1 Jun 2011 12:28:35 +0200, you wrote:

>Thanks Hans
>
>
>
>I would like to get some info on this form of handshaking ws2300 uses.
>
>I know that there is problem connecting through standard Bluetooth dongle
>and standard USB adapter and I think that the reason is this non standard
>handshaking.
>
>But now LaCrosse ship a USB adapter that work with a ws2300 (and,I hope,
>ws8310) unit.
>
>Therefore I think there must be a way (hardware or software) to overcome
the
>handshaking difference!
>
>
>
>Thank you again
>
>
>
>Paolo
>
>
>
>
>
>  _____
>
>From: Lacrosse_weather_stations@yahoogroups.com
>[mailto:Lacrosse_weather_stations@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hans
>Kjaergaard
>Sent: martedì 31 maggio 2011 19.14
>To: Lacrosse_weather_stations@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [LacrosseWS] Bluetooth RS232-connection
>
>
>
>
>
>> Is the RS232 cable used by the units a standard one ( with the
>conventional
>>pin assignement)?
>Yes, but be aware that the weather stations use 2 handshake pins as a
>reference for the data-signals. They need to stay high and low for the
>weather stations to be able to transmit anything.
>
>So if your Bluetooth deviceses do not support the use of HW handshake
>signals you are lost.
>
>/Hans
>
>

--- In Lacrosse_weather_stations@yahoogroups.com, Hans Kjaergaard
<hans.k2teknik@...> wrote:
> Yes, but be aware that the weather stations use 2 handshake pins as a
> reference for the data-signals. They need to stay high and low for the
> weather stations to be able to transmit anything.

This is interesting, Hans. Does this mean that I could physically modify a
USB/RS232 dongle so that the handshake pins are strapped to either high or low
(whichever is required) and that would make one of these work for connecting my
laptop to my WS3600?

Thanks,
Chuck

Thanks Hans



I would like to get some info on this form of handshaking ws2300 uses.

I know that there is problem connecting through standard Bluetooth dongle
and standard USB adapter and I think that the reason is this non standard
handshaking.

But now LaCrosse ship a USB adapter that work with a ws2300 (and,I hope,
ws8310) unit.

Therefore I think there must be a way (hardware or software) to overcome the
handshaking difference!



Thank you again



Paolo





   _____

From: Lacrosse_weather_stations@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Lacrosse_weather_stations@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hans
Kjaergaard
Sent: martedì 31 maggio 2011 19.14
To: Lacrosse_weather_stations@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LacrosseWS] Bluetooth RS232-connection





> Is the RS232 cable used by the units a standard one ( with the
conventional
>pin assignement)?
Yes, but be aware that the weather stations use 2 handshake pins as a
reference for the data-signals. They need to stay high and low for the
weather stations to be able to transmit anything.

So if your Bluetooth deviceses do not support the use of HW handshake
signals you are lost.

/Hans





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi, I'm porting original open8610 C code to C#.
All functions of original C code are now working through a C# class I've
created, plus I'm testing also the write function, which in original code didn't
work.
I reverse engineered LaCrosse Data Recorder and found the correct sequence of
commands to enable writing into memory.
Now I'm implementing it.
If anyone is interested I'll publish the code.

Does C# work with Linux, or is this Windows only?

I've been keeping a few versions of the open3200 Linux rpms/debs available
in my openSSUE build account:

https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=open2300&project=home%3Agregfree\
myer%3AWeather

If you're interested in doing the same I could add you as a maintainer of
that project and help you create the rpms/deps.

Greg

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 5:07 PM, sgnuf <sgnuf@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi, I'm porting original open8610 C code to C#.
> All functions of original C code are now working through a C# class I've
> created, plus I'm testing also the write function, which in original code
> didn't work.
> I reverse engineered LaCrosse Data Recorder and found the correct sequence
> of commands to enable writing into memory.
> Now I'm implementing it.
> If anyone is interested I'll publish the code.
>
>
>



--
Greg Freemyer
Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team
Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist
http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer
CNN/TruTV Aired Forensic Imaging Demo -

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/23/how-computer-evidence-gets-retrieved/

The Norcross Group
The Intersection of Evidence & Technology
http://www.norcrossgroup.com


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It is ALWAYS of interest and great news to hear that people remain active,
and haven't abandoned attempts to remedy LaCrosse WS8610 interface
deficiencies.  In fact, I'm currently using a WS8610 to log temperatures,
hoping to diagnose my refrigerator (misbehaving in summer heat), but have
had no way to dump the WS8610's 2177 record data cache.

Please do post your work/code (and executables?)  to this Yahoo group.

Thanks !!!


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'd love to see what you came up with.

Rich


On 8/5/2011 3:07 PM, sgnuf wrote:
> Hi, I'm porting original open8610 C code to C#.
> All functions of original C code are now working through a C# class I've
created, plus I'm testing also the write function, which in original code didn't
work.
> I reverse engineered LaCrosse Data Recorder and found the correct sequence of
commands to enable writing into memory.
> Now I'm implementing it.
> If anyone is interested I'll publish the code.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Ditto!

-John

On 8/5/2011 4:49 PM, Rich Allen wrote:
> I'd love to see what you came up with.
>
> Rich
>
>
> On 8/5/2011 3:07 PM, sgnuf wrote:
>> Hi, I'm porting original open8610 C code to C#.
>> All functions of original C code are now working through a C# class I've
created, plus I'm testing also the write function, which in original code didn't
work.
>> I reverse engineered LaCrosse Data Recorder and found the correct sequence of
commands to enable writing into memory.
>> Now I'm implementing it.
>> If anyone is interested I'll publish the code.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Ysgrifennodd Greg Freemyer:
> Does C# work with Linux, or is this Windows only?

It should, yes, if you have "mono" installed. I run a few mono applications
under Ubuntu with no problems. It's possible that there are some things the
developer needs to be aware of, in order not to introduce any MS Windows
specific code (I don't know) - if so, that would be worth bearing in mind at
this point.

Adrian

OK. I confirm that write method is working. I was able to reset memory
counter and also write to arbitrary memory locations.
I'm using WS8610 station connected through serial port with 3 external
sensors.
I've published my code in the files section: WS8610-CS.zip
<http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/IGI-TiNjY9YbspxPcvSFuMWBvo6EW8ciDKlsBCgjZo\
fkvAdZdzTMZG7fEfQ34_ol4Ks6AQHR7pH7PK6Bk0dTKQSKq8U/WS8610-CS.zip>
For now there is a class library WS8610.dll which you can use in C# .NET
2.0 projects.
The source code consists of two classes, WS8610SerialWrapper.cs which
implements serial port communication, and WS8610Com, which is the public
class you may use, exposing following methods:

bool Open()
bool Close()
DateTime GetLastRecordDateTime()
int GetStoredHistoryCount()
bool ResetStoredHistoryCount()
HistoryRecord GetFirstHistoryRecord()
HistoryRecord GetLastHistoryRecord()
byte[] DumpMemory(short start_addr, short num_bytes)
bool WriteMemory(short start_addr, byte[] bytes_to_write)

And following properties:

bool IsOpen
int ExtSensors

You can instantiate the class simply passing the port name (ex. "COM1")

In the debug folder there is also a compiled dll. I compiled it on
Windows 7 x64.
I updated also memory_map.txt as I discovered some new information about
memory locations.
I added also a command line test project WS8610Test, which you can use
for testing. In the bin/debug folder there is also a compiled executable
which get number of external sensors and last recorded data. You can
pass the com port as command line parameter.

I think that the .dll can't be used on linux "as is", because the
WS8610SerialWrapper class uses Win32 PInvoke calls, which I think are
not available on linux, but surely there are equivalent objects. Also I
don't know if  System.Threading and System.Diagnostics namespaces are
available there.
I tried to use native .Net SerialPort class, but it didn't work very
well, because cannot control some connection parameters, so I had to use
Win32 API calls.

As soon as I'll have time, I will also update original open8610 C code,
correcting some bugs found (changed some int to short because didn't
work on my Win7 x64 machine, changed method to get temperature because
for third sensor it was wrong, etc...) and adding writing capability.

--- In Lacrosse_weather_stations@yahoogroups.com, "sgnuf" <sgnuf@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi, I'm porting original open8610 C code to C#.
> All functions of original C code are now working through a C# class
I've created, plus I'm testing also the write function, which in
original code didn't work.
> I reverse engineered LaCrosse Data Recorder and found the correct
sequence of commands to enable writing into memory.
> Now I'm implementing it.
> If anyone is interested I'll publish the code.
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]