24 LexiLine Newsletter 2002 Peterborough Petroglpyhs, Canada
Deciphered

Dear LexiLiners,

I have finally been successful in deciphering the Peterborough
Petroglyphs in entirety and have uploaded the decipherment as

peterborough.tif - excellent quality picture
and
peterborough.gif - rather poor quality but less memory required and
less download time

to the LexiLine Files at the new folder for Canada.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LexiLine/files

These petroglyphs are spectacular and contain an ancient map of the
north of North America, surveyed by astronomy, and clearly showing
the St. Lawrence Seaway, for example, as well as Chesapeake Bay and
the Potomac.

My rather rough drawing of the Peterborough Petroglyphs is based on
a very large drawing found in the back map pocket of the The Sacred
Art of the Algonkians: A Study of the Peterborough Petroglyphs by
Joan M. Vastokas and Romas K. Vastokas, Mansard Press, P.O. Box 443,
Peterborough, Ontario, Canada, K9J 6Z3, a book which cost me a
fortune to buy used, but it was worth the Vastokas map of the glyphs.
Of course, the Vastokas had no idea that the petroglpyhs were an
ancient geodetic map surveyed by the stars - including the southern
stars, and their analysis is confined to the normal ethnological
remarks about signs and symbols, but the making of the map was a
gargantuan task which the Vastokas did beautifully.

Also spectacular at Peterborough is the presence of four signs on
the glyph reading GNOMON and these four signs are the same as those
found for the identical astronomical positon at Lewes, England. We
thus have an absolutely certain connection of the Peterborough
Petroglyphs to the megalithic peoples of Ancient Britain (and surely
the Baltic and Scandinavia), so that I date this map to ca. 3117 BC,
as all neolithic megalithic sites seem to stem from approximately
that era.

Enjoy,
Andis

Dear LexiLiners,

We have several members who have signed to join this newsletter
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Andis Kaulns

Dear LexiLiners,

1. Original ideas on the history of civilization other than by me
can be posted to this newsletter, but members must first submit such
an idea in e-mail form to me at akaulins@... for review and/or
editing, if I so decide. This is the result of previous experience
with running an internet list.

2. Since we are an "open" list - i.e. the files can be viewed by
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personally, I would put all of these spammers (spammers and services
which support them)in jail. They are ruining the internet.

Andis

Dear LexiLiners,
I am posting herewith some letters written by Ainsley Broussard Dunn (and my
replies to them). In all the 30 years that I have been working in this field,
Ainsley's comments are among the most gratifying I have ever received. Based on
my own view of what I do, Ainsley understands perfectly what the purposes of
LexiLine are.

Subj:    Re: [LexiLine] Administrative - Removal of non-E-Mail-memberships
Date:    Wed, 4 Sep 2002 4:26:49 AM Eastern Standard Time
From:    AKaulins
To:    starsouth@...

In a message dated Tue, 3 Sep 2002 4:19:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
starsouth@... writes:

> Well, I for one thoroughly find your emails informative and educational. I
> would consider it a great loss in my continuing
> enlightenment were I not to
> receive these emails.
>
> Please keep'em coming.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Ainsley Broussard Dunn

Ainsley,

Thank you. We had 8 members who were in the category of no e-mail or special
notices only and most seem to use list memberships as a means of advertising
under their own personal name on the membership lists to place links to other
sites - some of which looked like partner-finding kinds of things. It is
probably a problem faced by most lists but I want to keep our list clean.

May I post your above e-mail to the LexiLine list?

Andis

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Date:    Thu, 5 Sep 2002 6:58:38 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:    "Ainsley Broussard Dunn" <starsouth@...>
To:    <AKaulins@...>
Sent from the Internet (Details)

Andis,

Of course you may post it wherever you think it will be of benefit. I did
not want to be too chatty in my first email. So I kept it short and to the
point. Please allow me to expand my comments somewhat. I am 53 years old and
finished college in 1974. My major was in History, but I have always had
something of a "rebellious" streak. I ask questions. I wonder why. I am not
satisfied with the sciences, archeology, paleontology or history as it has
been offered to us by the "experts" the last one hundred years. I like those
who dare to ask why and those also who go in search of the answers. I hate
to use the term "alternative", as that has too many negative conotations in
our current society. However, Lexiline is bold, rebellious and dares to ask
the hard questions. Your site seems unafraid to field some answers as well.
It is a great big world out there and is filled with many mysteries just
waiting to be solved. Thanks for bringing that world into the lives of those
of us who are unable to trek those paths in person. It is a great service
you provide even as you expand the vision of each and everyone of us.

Best Regards,

Ainsley Broussard Dunn


   Subj:    World Blood Types
   Date:    Sat, 7 Sep 2002 8:41:49 AM Eastern Standard Time
   From:    "Ainsley Broussard Dunn" <starsouth@...>
   To:    <LexiLearn@...>
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I was much intrigued in reading the above mentioned article where you stated
ancient Hebrew and Egyptian blood/DNA appear to be more closely connected than
one was given to think previously. Also, if I understand you correctly, you
state these peoples' origins and relation to other groups is something of a
mystery.

Could you please elaborate? This is a fascinating subject, as I have for years
conducted my own personal, arm-chair research on the unique culture of ancient
Egypt and also the pervasive writings of Jewish sages who claim something
special for Hebrews among all other peoples. True, one can find peoples and
cultures throughout history who thought of themselves as particularly favored by
God/gods. However, giving Jewish writings the benefit of the doubt and that
coupled with your remarks within the above titled article; I would appreciate
your opening this subject further.

Thank You.

Ainsley Broussard Dunn

Dear Ainsley,
Thank you for your comments.
I will post some material on this soon.

Andis Kaulins
LexiLine List Owner

From:  "earlofeden12" <AKaulins@...>
Date:  Sun Sep 8, 2002  4:37 pm
Subject:




Dear LexiLiners,
Steve Burdic sent me the following questions regarding the
Peterborough Petroglyphs and I have added many answers.

>Andis:

>Your Peterborough Petroglyphs decipherment was very exciting "to me
but
>raised many questions about the image itself, the pictographs, their
>relationship to the stars and geography. I will simply list the
questions
>and trust they will guide you to explanations either to this email
or in
>your future work. Keep in mind that I am a supporter and that some
of these
>questions come from the perspective of those who are skeptical or
not
>knowledgeable about geodetic/astronomical relationships.

>1. There are so many petroglyphic images that do not seem to
relate to
>stars. Are the glyphs in groups that generally stand for
constellations or
>are the individual stars depicted?

I think most of the glyphs (300 clearly redrawable and ca. 600 vague
ones) represent stars. But what I have drawn there is very meager. I
may try to upload some scans of the very large original map - this
would have to be done in at least 10 parts, but then you would have
a clear picture – the map is copyrighted by the Vastokas but I
think "fair use" would permit me to reproduce it on LexiLine.
I will
try to contact the Vastokas first.

Some of the rock art figures do not represent stars but are in my
opinion clearly symbols of the so-called Tifinag script. The Ojibwa
Algonkians also had a symbolic script.

Found at the site also were 30 gneiss hammer-stones (ca. 2 pounds
each) used for carving. NOTHING ELSE at the site has been found from
the original era except for some small pieces of clay pottery which
could have been put there at any time. On the other hand, small
stones with an origin in this Great Lakes region were found at the
Miami Circle in Florida (see the LexiLine files) – a site which I
date to ca. 3117 BC.

Modern experiments have shown that a smaller glyph could be pecked
out of the limestone in about 30 minutes - so that the makers of the
petroglyphs did not have to stay long to finish their work, although
perhaps half-a-day's work might be required for some of the larger
figures. (but they may also have used copper – see below)
Material in quotes from the Vastokas book….

The rock exposure for the glyphs is "roughly rectangular and is
sectioned by several fissures, seams, and a series of pits."

The "north half of the decorated surface is divided by a deep
fissure, almost a foot wide, at the bottom of which runs an
intermittent underground stream [this in my analysis represents the
St. Lawrence Seaway]. Several other narrower fissures and seams
subdivide the surface into smaller panels within which are contained
the engraved figures."

How old is the site?
"One remarkable [neighboring] Archaic site, east of [Algonkian
Park], on Allumette Island in the Ottawa River, has a radiocarbon
date of fifty-two hundred years ago and has yielded over a thousand
copper artifacts."..."

One site nearer to the petroglyphs [a so-called Laurentian hunter
site] about 2 and 1/2 miles SE at the mouth of Jack Creek produced
finds dating to ca. 5000 years ago."
These will be our ancient Peterborough stonemasons.

These sites would put our Peterborough petroglyph makers around 3117
BC.

Vastokas conclude the petroglyphs date to 900 to 1400 AD. This of
course is wrong. Virtually NOTHING at all supports that date. Quite
the contrary, "It seems that the very deep glyphs were engraved over
eroded or shallower earlier forms."

The map on page 28 of Vastokas book shows a map of the distribution
of Algonkian language speakers in North America - and this pretty
much corresponds to the map formed by the rock drawing - it is
again, as we know from the megaliths, a map defining territorial
borders. As Vastokas write "... the Peterborough Petroglyph site
would have been situated at the borderline between Algonkian and
Iroquoian territory."

>2. The geographic background is broken up into color bands: light
green,
>green, gray, blue; what do they depict?

I have added the colors to my rough redrawing of the map to show
possible divisions and to much better show the glyphs - black on
white is harder to distinguish (download the map and remove the
colors in your drawing program and you will see) - otherwise the
original map is simply black and white. "The rock is white
crystalline limestone, ground smooth and flat by the ice of the last
ice age. " To get good contrast, the Vastokas darkened figures with
black chalk or crayon for purposes of photography.

The added colors are intended to show more clearly the demarcations
on the rock drawing on the ground. As you can see, the map is
divided - as I view it - into two halves left and right with a
middle section of creation at Hydrus - which I imagine was regarded
to be the fountain of the deep, and also two halves north and south,
with the St. Lawrence being the dividing line. In Algonkian belief
Midewiwin (viz. Midewegan – location of the first Midewiwin
"lodge",
i.e. house) - the "hole in the sky" at the center of the
universe
between the earth and sky – is born in the bowels of the earth
and
then rises – we see this hole in the sky at Peterborough. The
Algonkian cosmic axis runs along the upward-growing cedar tree –
i.e. the Norse Irminsul – which is also pictured at Peterborough.
The Ojibwa also had Midewiwin bark scrolls and Mide songs, used as
mnemonic devices. The head of the figure I identify as the pole star
has twelve spokes as hairs on its head – the division of the
zodiac
into twelve regions. This figure is erroneously identified by the
Vastokas as a "sun-figure" or "the Great Spirit"..

Does Algonkian retain traces of Latvian? Of course….
Algonkian muzzinabikon "history" = Latvian muzina
("life" diminutive
form) plus bija- "what was", pagaj- "past"
Algonkian saeawin "love" = Latvian sievina ("wife"
diminutive form)
Algonkian kekewin "pictographs" = Latvian kuoku
"wood" vina "those"


The blue color enables easier location of the St. Lawrence Seaway
and Chesapeake Bay (I forgot to mark this latter on my map drawing,
but see if you can find it in the blue region), I made this portion
blue, but of course the blue is not all water - and I do not know
how far the rock drawing viz. rock actually extends beyond the
Vastokas map. The original map color is black and white.

>3. The blue color seems to depict water; what is the actual
outline of the
>land/water boundary.

Just ignore the colors to get the original rock drawing. I have
added the color for easier identification.

>4. The orange color was explained as it related to the original
rock
>drawings. Are there geographic features that would correspond to
them
>(lakes, rivers, glacial scour marks) or an explanation of why the
sky would
>be divided in that manner. There is a typo on the word divided in
the
>explanation. (should be divide)

Sorry for the typo. The orange color marks deep in part man-made in
part natural fissures cut into the original rock - deep ridges which
no one has been able to explain up to now.

Geographic features: It is clear that Peterborough near Stony Lake
was near a major prehistoric artery of communication and travel (so
Champlain in describing Huron trails in 1615), being on a waterway
connecting Georgian Bay and the Bay of Quinte.


>5. Do the ethnographic explanations in the book ever relate to star
>knowledge? Do the petroglyphs relate to known (indian or other)
star
>knowledge? The argo, centaurus, lupus grouping is particularly
evocative.

The Vastokas book has some general reference to alleged "solar
symbols" on the map e.g., for the two major symbols in the center of
the rock drawing. Of course, that is completely wrong. This is the
NIGHT sky.

Interestingly, the regional native American Indians had NO KNOWLEDGE
of this rock drawing - either in person, legend or ancient written
records - prior to its discovery in the modern era. If this had been
a sacred native American Indian site, that would be quite strange.
It actually looks as if the rock drawing were once made by someone
long ago - as I allege, by people not from that region - and then
left there for posterity to discover.

The site was only discovered in the year 1954 by mining company
employees.

Moreover, as the Vastokas note, some of the glyphs are quite unique
to North America - but as I might add - find comparables in the Old
World. The Vastokas allege in the introduction that "external and
internal evidence will readily show that the Peterborough
Petroglyphs were carved by native Canadians before the coming of the
Europeans to southern Ontario. Less easily determined, however,
are ... which particular Indian group made them, when, and to what
purpose." The fact is, there is little external or internal evidence
at all that some aboriginal Canadians ever made them and as Vastokas
subsequently admit "Reconstruction of the meaning behind prehistoric
forms of art ... is a difficult task, and in no small danger of
erroneous conclusions."

Vastokas write, "There is nothing on the site... to suggest
European contact". This of course is not true. All one has to do is
to compare some of the rock drawings on this site with those found
in Norway and Sweden which the Vastokas do - e.g. the boats at
page 123 – only to conclude that "there is no need for
comparison",
in spite of the fact that these boats look Scandinavian to almost
everyone and surely not like canoes. This mainstream blindness to
early European contact to the Americas is widespread.

>6. A more general question-what is the effect of the skymap/earth
based map
>distortions caused by different projections. I am familiar with
distortions
>with different land based projections but not skymaps.

What distortion are you referring to? The Heifetz planisphere for
example stretches the constellations at the horizon so that they
look on the sky map just as these constellations appear to the
actual earth observer. Software programs such as Starry Night Pro do
not correct for this.

>7. Have you dealt with the mirror image effect of viewing the
stars from
>the ground or from above. Most skymaps depict the stars as seen
from the
>ground but I have a star globe that views the stars as if looking
down on
>them from outer space.

Yes, of course.

>I hope you find these questions stimulating. Please keep up the
good work.

Steve Burdic<
<<<<<<<<<<<<

Thanks, Enjoy.
Andis

Dear LexiLiners,

I am posting herewith some letters written by a member of the
LexiLine list, Ainsley Broussard Dunn (and my replies to them). In
all the 30 years that I have been working in this field, Ainsley's
comments are among the most gratifying I have ever received. Based
on my own view of what I do, Ainsley understands perfectly what the
purposes of LexiLine are.

...in response to the removal of non e-mail members...

In a message dated Tue, 3 Sep 2002 4:19:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
starsouth@... writes:

> Well, I for one thoroughly find your emails informative and
educational. I
> would consider it a great loss in my continuing
> enlightenment were I not to
> receive these emails.
>
> Please keep'em coming.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Ainsley Broussard Dunn

Ainsley,

Thank you.... May I post your above e-mail to the LexiLine list?

Andis

Subj:    Re: [LexiLine] Administrative - Removal of non-E-Mail-
memberships
Date:    Thu, 5 Sep 2002 6:58:38 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:    "Ainsley Broussard Dunn" <starsouth@...>
To:    <AKaulins@...>
Sent from the Internet (Details)

Andis,

Of course you may post it wherever you think it will be of benefit.
I did
not want to be too chatty in my first email. So I kept it short and
to the
point. Please allow me to expand my comments somewhat. I am 53 years
old and
finished college in 1974. My major was in History, but I have always
had
something of a "rebellious" streak. I ask questions. I wonder why. I
am not
satisfied with the sciences, archeology, paleontology or history as
it has
been offered to us by the "experts" the last one hundred years. I
like those
who dare to ask why and those also who go in search of the answers.
I hate
to use the term "alternative", as that has too many negative
conotations in
our current society. However, Lexiline is bold, rebellious and dares
to ask
the hard questions. Your site seems unafraid to field some answers
as well.
It is a great big world out there and is filled with many mysteries
just
waiting to be solved. Thanks for bringing that world into the lives
of those
of us who are unable to trek those paths in person. It is a great
service
you provide even as you expand the vision of each and everyone of us.

Best Regards,

Ainsley Broussard Dunn


  Subj:    World Blood Types
  Date:    Sat, 7 Sep 2002 8:41:49 AM Eastern Standard Time
  From:    "Ainsley Broussard Dunn" <starsouth@...>
  To:    <LexiLearn@...>
  Sent from the Internet (Details)


I was much intrigued in reading the above mentioned article where
you stated ancient Hebrew and Egyptian blood/DNA appear to be more
closely connected than one was given to think previously. Also, if I
understand you correctly, you state these peoples' origins and
relation to other groups is something of a mystery.

Could you please elaborate? This is a fascinating subject, as I have
for years conducted my own personal, arm-chair research on the
unique culture of ancient Egypt and also the pervasive writings of
Jewish sages who claim something special for Hebrews among all other
peoples. True, one can find peoples and cultures throughout history
who thought of themselves as particularly favored by God/gods.
However, giving Jewish writings the benefit of the doubt and that
coupled with your remarks within the above titled article; I would
appreciate your opening this subject further.

Thank You.

Ainsley Broussard Dunn

Dear Ainsley,
Thank you for your comments.
I will post some material on this soon.

Andis Kaulins
LexiLine List Owner

Dear removed non-email members,
I just received an e-mail from someone wishing to stay on the list
but I inadvertently deleted it without noting the name. Please write
to me again. Anyone who has been removed from the list can rejoin -
but you must select the option individual e-mails or daily digest to
stay on the list.
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25 LexiLine Newsletter 2002 - Genetic DNA and the Argonauts

Dear LexiLiners,

I finally got around to reading The Seven Daughters of Eve (Bantam
Press, Corgi Books, ISBN 0-552-14876-8) by Bryan Sykes, showing how
all the peoples of Europe can be traced back by DNA genetics to
seven specific and geographically identifiable ancient mitochondrial
DNA "mothers" as it were - and also indicating that all the peoples
of the world can be traced back to ca. 36 such mothers not too far
back in prehistorical days.

95% of European mitochondrial DNA traces back to "the seven
daughters of eve". Many departures from the norm are explainable -
some are more difficult.

Sykes has several examples of mitochondrial DNA sequences which are
quite unusual - pointing - in my opinion - to ancient connections of
peoples by way of the sea:

1. an Edinburgh schoolteacher with clear Scottish ancestry traceable
back 200 years nevertheless has Polynesian mitochondrial DNA...as
Sykes writes "is she perhaps the descendant of a Tahitian princess
who fell in love with a handsome ship's captain...?"

2. Sykes writes: "There are many other equally mysterious journeys
recorded in our DNA: the Korean sequence that turns up regularly
[note that word "regularly"] in fishermen from Norway and northern
Scotland; the unmistakably African DNA in a dairy farmer from
Somerset...; the [mitochondrial] sequence of a book salesman from
Manchester that is so unusual that his closest match is found among
the native Australians of Queensland...."

3. Sykes refers to two fishermen on a small island off the west
coast of Scotland who show quite unusual mitochondrial sequences,
which Sykes describes as follows: (p. 358)

"One outstanding genetic journey involves a complete
circumnavigation of the world. Two fishermen on a small island off
the west coast of Scotland have unusual mitochondrial sequences...we
[found] matches ... one in Portugal and one in Finland. These were
still unusual sequences to find in Europe, not part of the seven
original [European] clans. The Portuguese sequence matched several
from South America, and the Finnish DNA was close to sequences found
in Siberia, where we also found the ancestral sequence of the South
Americans. So the two fishermen were indeed related - but only
through a common ancestor from Siberia. One line of maternal
ancestors had travelled from Siberia along the coast of the Arctic
Ocean to Scandinavia, then on to the west of Scotland, perhaps
aboard a Viking ship. The other had crossed into America over the
Bering Straits, then down to Brazil. At some time, presumably after
Brazil became a Portuguese colony, a woman carrying this piece of
DNA crossed the Atlantic to Portugal, from where, somehow, it had
found its way up the Atlantic coast to the west of Scotland. The two
journeys had ended on the same small island after travelling in
opposite directions from the other side of the world."

As you can see, Sykes has to presume a whole series of unusual and
unconvincing ancient events to explain the factual data. Of course,
the Scottish sequences are much more easily explained by presuming
only one event - that some of the ancient Argonauts brought some
women from abroad (Siberia, Korea, South America, Polynesia) with
them upon returning to their point of origin ca. 3000 BC. Note how
the unusual DNA sequences concentrate on Norway and northern
Scotland particularly and seem to concentrate on fishermen, many of
whom trace their ancestry back to generations of ancient seafarers.

I think as more DNA research worldwide is done, we will in fact be
able to trace the ancient voyage of the Argonauts quite accurately
through the traces of DNA they left behind - also in distand lands.

Andis

Dear LexiLiners,

The Seven Daughters of Eve by Bryan Sykes (Bantam Press, Corgi
Books, ISBN 0-552-14876-8) is recommended as a good read for
everyone although you may be interested in a strong criticism of the
book at
http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba66/book.shtml
a criticism which in its diffuse "science-pretending" jargonism is
as bad as what is being criticized. That book review exemplifies a
regrettable misunderstanding in university education which presumes
that learning or writing "big words" like phylogeneticist or empty
meaningless catch phrases like "'African replacement model' versus
the multiregional hypothesis" makes you a scientist. On the
contrary, it just confuses the issue because everyone then
concentrates on the interpretation of such idiotic man-made catch
phrases rather than on the actual EVIDENCE as such. Hence, the book
review is a criticism of style - not of content. Unfortunate.

MATERNAL MITOCHONDRIAL DNA

In his book Sykes gives a popular synopsis of modern genetic
maternal mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) results for human populations,
explaining that 95% of all Europeans can trace their origins back to
only seven women in prehistoric days and showing that nearly all
peoples of the world can trace their origins back to ca. 33 women -
though I think the most recent estimate is ca. 36 women, and some
even say there are 22 ancient "clans" for Europe. It just depends on
where you put the dividing lines. And as Sykes writes, new evidence
will surely change these numbers. Nevertheless, the point is that we
all go back to common ancestors, and not so long ago.

Sykes writes that these seven daughters can allegedly  be "dated"
chronologically and "located" geographically. They allegedly did not
all live at the same time, based on mutational algorithms for DNA -
where the mutational timeline used by Sykes is disputed. I
personally think the mutations involved are more recent than
currently assumed, but I am sure that the chronologies will get
better as more genetic evidence comes in.

GENETICS and MAINSTREAM HISTORY

Although there is no doubt from the genetic evidence that man's
origins are in Africa, the genetic evidence paints a different
picture for Europe than that we are accustomed to reading in our
history books.

To make these seven daughters of Eve easier to remember, Sykes has
given them individual names - and here they are, with their alleged
date, alleged location, and percentage of today's European
population:

HUNTERS AND GATHERERS (6 daughters)
Ursula - allegedly 45,000 years ago - Greece, 11% (especially
prominent today in western Britain and Scandinavia)
Xenia - allegedly 25,000 years ago - between the Black Sea and
Caspian Sea, Ukraine, 6% (mostly Eastern Europe)
Helena - allegedly 20,000 years ago - Southern France, Dordogne,
Lascaux, 47% (continental Europe)
Velda - allegedly 17,000 years ago - northern Spain, Cantabria,
Santander, Altamira, 5% (one group allegedly went north as the Saami
of Finland and northern Norway)
Tara - allegedly 17,000 years ago - Tuscany, northwest Italy, La
Spezia, 9% (Mediterranean, western edge of Europe, particularly
numerous in the west of Britain and in Ireland
Katrine - allegedly 15,000 years ago - Venice, northeast Italy, 6%
(Italy, Mediterranean)

THE FARMERS (AGRICULTURALISTS) (1 daughter)
Jasmine - allegedly 10,000 years ago - Near East - 17%, Sykes writes
"One distinctive branch follows the Mediterranean coast to Spain and
Portugal, whence it has found its way to the west of Britain where
it is particularly common in Cornwall, Wales and the west of
Scotland. The other branch shadows a route through central Europe
taken by the farmers who first cultivated the fertile river valleys
and then the plains of northern Europe. Both branches live, even
now, close to the routes mapped out by their farming ancestors as
they made their way gradually into Europe from the Near East."

Of course each of these seven is also related to each other,
as Sykes writes: "The clans of Helena and Velda are close to one
another. They share a common ancestor.... Jasmine and Tara also have
a common ancestor, as do Ursula and Katrine....

Sykes data, however, show some weaknesses either in analysis of the
evidence or in chronological errors relating to interpretation of
the genetic timeline of the data (this dating is made on mutational
timeline assumptions which may not be accurate).

As Sykes states, "the common ancestor of all Europeans"... is near
to where the Xenia branch leads off from the rest of the daughters."
He continues: "Through this woman [one mutational ancestor prior to
Xenia] the whole of Europe is joined to the rest of the world." That
is a very significant statement.

If that is so, then the age of 25,000 years to Xenia is misleading
since in terms of mutations, Xenia is only one ancestral DNA
mutation removed from a "mother" who is connected to all the rest of
the people of the world, not just the Europeans.  By the same token,
Helena and Velda are 3 mutations removed from that woman, Tara and
Jasmine are also 3 mutations removed from that woman and Ursula and
Katrine are also 3 mutations removed from that woman. Since all six
of these daughters are 3 mutations removed, all of these daughters
once surely comprised one group at the same time and place.

This may look like nitpicking, but it is crucial to the issue of who
was where when first. If Xenia is closest (only 1 DNA mutation) to
the rest of the peoples of the world, then Xenia (the Europeans of
Eastern Europe) represent the "older" DNA form - whereas all the
other six daughters of Eve, being 3 mutations removed, are "younger"
DNA forms, and that is really nothing new,.

By correcting the position of Xenia, things begin to make sense,
also in terms of linguistic analysis of Indo-European language.

Looked at in this manner, Syke's genetic data are to some degree
just a modern repeat of what we already know from previous blood
type distribution analysis at
http://www.lexiline.com/lexiline/lexi23.htm

Enjoy,
Andis

Dear LexiLiners,

The Newsletter on The Seven Daughters of Eve should be Newsletter
Nr. 26. This is now Nr. 27.

That the mitochondrial mutation rate (set at about 1 mutation in 600
generations) is likely much higher than assumed by Sykes can be seen
at the site of The Molecular History Research Center at
http://www.mhrc.net/mitochondria.htm
and
http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/realeve/ask/ask_04.html

Some studies have shown a mutation rate of 1 in about 40
generations, see e.g.
http://www.ridgenet.net/~do_while/sage/v2i6n.htm

Sykes places Ursula at 40,000 BC in Greece whereas the oldest
archaeological records of first humans in Greece would seem to be
about 20000 BC as at Franchthi, Greece - see
http://emuseum.mnsu.edu/archaeology/sites/europe/franchthicave.html
so that a good argument could be made that all of Sykes dates should
at least be halved.

If one does so then the dates correspond better with the dating of
archaeological finds in the respective regions.

Xenia at 24,000 years ago would be ca. 12,000 years ago, a date also
assigned by the linguists to the spread of Indo-European from this
central European region and close to the Mesolithic skulls found
dating to ca. 8000 BC.

Helena in France at 20,000 years ago would be ca. 10,000 years ago
and thus near the date of 9000 BC I assign to the astronomical
paintings at Lascaux.

Velda in Spain at 17,000 years would be in the same chronological
ball park at ca. 9000 BC for the Altamira cave paintings near
Santander.

But as you can see, there is still much that we need to know and
learn.

Enjoy,
Andis

Dear LexiLine Members,

Due to increased interest on the part of the membership, I have
decided that members may now post again - but all post is moderated.
What this means is that you can post what you want to thís list if
you are a member, but your message does not go out to all members
until I have OK'd it. I imagine 90 percent of your postings will go
through - but the rules are, keep it clean and cite your sources -
we are NOT an "opinion" or "chat" list. Back up your statements and
theories with facts and original sources if possible and then they
are OK. Also try to comment on running topics (threads) first before
you open a new topid. The time to open a new topic is when there is
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Members posting material that I subjectively find to be offensive in
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Those of you who recently posted letters to me through the reply
function should be aware that a reply now goes to the entire
membership, once I have approved any e-mail posting as ok. Sammye,
you may want to repost your most recent letters to the entire group.

Sorry that moderation is required, but this keeps out the unwanted
ads, spam and other junk mail which I can zap immediately into the
wastebasket before it clogs your mailboxes.

Enjoy,
Andis

Typos in the last e-mail sent a few minutes ago

Topic not topid
and
quiet instead of quite

I suppose I should let these go, but I do not want to appear
illiterate. My wife works a lot with dyslexic children, but I can
spell QUITE well .... well usually. :-)

Hoping to have more e-mail participation in the future.

Your LexiLine List Owner
Andis

Dear LexiLine Members,

I am writing this at 8:15 p.m. European time (Berlin) on Monday
September 16, i.e. one hour earlier than London and six hours time
difference to New York City.

In about 7 hours (i.e. at 3 a.am here - at least on our televesion
screens), there will apparently be the first attempt to send a robot
camera through a hole drilled in stone in the Cheops
pyramid's "ventilation shaft" to see what is in the secret chamber
of the Cheops pyramid (see "Gantenbrink" on the internet for more
info).

This could be one of the great sensations of history and science

see http://www.lexiline.com/lexiline/lexi30.htm

- so do not miss it - although I do not know for sure if the actual
attempt for the robot camera to look inside the Secret Chamber is
live or is earlier in real time, so consult your local TV guides.

Enjoy,
Andis

Dear LexiLine members,

All the TV information you need about the opening of the Cheops
Secret Chamber - in about 6 hours - is found at

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/09/0910_020913_egypt_1.h
tml

Enjoy,
Andis

Dear LexiLiners,

Ddi you watch the opening of the secret chamber? If you did, I hope
you put it on video. I did and I have been studying the video
material´. I imagine that most of the scholarly world saw no
sensation in the secret chamber and the stone wall found - but I
find it is sensational - for reasons you will find below.

This material will be posted to some of my sites soon.
In addition, I am uploading
cheops1.gif and .tif
and cheops2.gif and cheops2.tif
to our files.

THE SECRET CHAMBER OF CHEOPS
SEPTEMBER 17, 2002 UPDATE - MEGALITH FOUND


WHAT HAPPENED ON SEPTEMBER 17, 2002 ?

On September 17, 2002, nearly 10 years after Rudolf Gantenbrink's
robot discovered a stone slab (with copper and gypsum seals) at the
end of the southern shaft of the Queen's Chamber in the Cheops
Pyramid, a worldwide TV broadcast showed a new high-tech robot
photographing what lay behind the stone slab at the end of the shaft.

WHAT WAS FOUND BEHIND THE STONE SLAB? A MEGALITHIC WALL !

What was found was an ancient megalithic wall or a megalith built
into the wall across from the shaft-end stone slab, an ancient
megalith which is a "boulder" carved with figures and itself
standing alone in a small apparently otherwise empty room, and
seemingly blocking the way to another room possibly filled with
informational or worldly treasures.

The result, analyzed here on the same day as the TV program, was a
fantastic, enormous discovery, clearly binding the megalithic age
with the Pyramids - unmistakably CONNECTING the megaliths and the
pyramid builders. The importance of this development has not yet
been recognized by anyone else other than this author. Furthermore,
the September 17, 2002, finding confirmed this author's singular
analysis of the Secret Chamber as being related to the
Westcar Papyrus and the Qumran Copper Scroll. We predicted a seal
would be found - and a large "seal" of megalithic proportions has
indeed been found, guarding another chamber in the Great Pyramid.

WHY IS A MEGALITH INSIDE A PYRAMID A SENSATION?

Why is this megalith (viz. megalithic wall) a sensation? Because it
is made of rough, carved stone. The ancient pharaohs went to a great
deal of trouble to make smooth stones for the building of the
Pyramid, so why in the innermost secret sanctum of the Great Pyramid
of Cheops do we find a rough megalith apparently guarding another
secret room?

THE MEGALITH STEMS FROM A MORE ANCIENT ERA

The days of the megalith-builders, as shown by this author at
Megaliths.co.uk and
Megaliths.net centered around ca. 3117 BC, one kingdom or ca. 684
years prior to the building of the Great Pyramid of Cheops. The
megalith in the Cheops Pyramid is much older than the pyramids. Does
this mean that the Cheops Pyramid supplanted this ancient megalith
at Giza? Did the Cheops Pyramid take its place? Was the
calender "revised" due to precession - and was this the "revision"
discussed in ancient documents by Gardiner and Erman? Surely it was
so. The Cheops Pyramid replaced the megalith found in the secret
chamber just uncovered. That is why it is there. We must of course
also ask: if an ancient megalith guards a room in the Great Pyramid,
then it surely also guards something ancient - is this also the
legendary Hall of Records? The future will tell.

WHY DID TODAY'S MAINSTREAM EGYPTOLOGISTS ERR?

Most past statements about the secret chamber made by "modern"
mainstream Egyptologists have been proven wrong, wildly wrong. They
did not know what they were talking about, and things have not
gotten better for them after September 17, 2002. The reason for this
is that the Egyptologists do not know or do not wish to accept the
actual reason why the Great Pyramid was built - which was for
geodetics and astronomy. Since the Egyptologists have little
knowledge in these disciplines by training, they are as a group
generally unprepared in any way to judge or analyze any of this new
discovery and one should generally disregard their opinions on it.
They carry no weight. Most Egyptologists are linguists, and nothing
more. Except for perhaps Mr. Zahi Hawass, who is by heart and
soul "The Keeper of the Pyramids", this is not an Egyptologist's
expertise.

THE ANALYSIS BY ANDIS KAULINS - WHAT DOES  IT ALL MEAN?

Being a good researcher means not to overlook things. While everyone
has been concentrating on robots and stone slabs, no one has been
looking at the obvious markings at the end of the shaft near the
stone slab. These markings - in part clearly cup marks - as on many
megaliths around the world - identify the stars to the North, West
and East of the Queens Chamber shaft on the effective "date" of the
building of the Cheops Pyramid, which is July 25, 2430 BC, when
there was a solar eclipse at the Summer Solstice point at sunrise
(ca. 6 a.m.) - the time to which all data apply.

July 25, 2430 BC, 6 a.m. - Positions of the Stars

On July 25, 2430 B.C. starting at ca. 6 a.m. there was a solar
eclipse over the Nile Delta at the Summer Solstice point. Looking
north at this time one finds the North Celestial Pole in the tail of
Draco. In the East, there is a solar eclipse at sunrise below Chort
and Zosma (Duhr) in Leo - this is represented by the importance of
the Sphinx (Leo) and by the lion head found inscribed on the
megalith in the room just behind the stone slab at the end of the
southern shaft from the Queen's Chamber (see the graphic below). In
the West, we find Andromeda and Pegasus. These positions are clearly
marked on the stone blocks above and to the left and right of the
stone slab at the end of the shaft. They tell us the stellar
orientation perfectly.

See the graphic cheops1. gif or .tif showing the markings on blocks
of stone above, left and right of the stone slab at the end of the
shaft

This stellar location matches the figures found inscribed on the
megalith (viz. megalithic wall) found on September 17, 2002 opposite
the stone slab at the end of the Cheops shaft. The megalith in
entirety has the shape of a lion's head and of course has other
figures carved on it in the interlocking fashion known for megaliths
in the Neolithic era. Each half has a pharaoh's head, with the left
head wearing the crown of Lower Egypt - the DESHRET - and the right
head wearing the crown of Upper Egypt (Egyptologists' nonsensical P3
= PAR, i.e. Indo-Germanic, e.g. Latvian "OVER", German ÜBER). This
megalith marks the Milky Way at Cassiopeia and Cepheus (Cheops). In
terms of the sky, "lower Egypt" consists of the stars outside of the
Milky Way whereas "upper Egypt" includes the stars within the
ellipse of the Milky Way. There is also a distinction in terms of
day and night, explained below.

Various incorrect names are applied to the names of the crowns of
ancient Egypt, one already discussed above. The name DESHRET for the
crown of Lower Egypt is the same as Latvian DEZHURET
meaning "direct, watch, especially night duty". That is why this
crown was later written NT, i.e. "night". DESHRET has NOTHING to do
with the color "red", contrary to what the Egyptologists allege. The
name HDT for the crown of Upper Egypt is the same as Latvian VADIT
or VADZIT which means "to lead, to guide, to watch over, applied to
day duty". VADIT i.e. HDT has NOTHING to do with the color "white",
contrary to what the Egyptologists allege - it applies rather
to "daylight".

See in our files cheops2.gif or .tif, for a graphic showing the
figures inscribed on the megalith (megalithic wall) across from the
Stone Slab in the room discovered in the Cheops Pyramid on September
17, 2002. Next to that graphic is a picture made with Starry Night
Pro and showing the two crowns of Egypt in a heavenly context.

CONCLUSION

The Cheops Pyramid is Hebrew Qevia "calendric fixing". It is the
calendric fixing one kingdom or 684 years after the start of the Old
Kingdom which is equal to 18 x 19 x 2  = 684 - as a predictive
multiple of the Saros (18 years) and Metonic (19 years) lunar and
solar cycles. As written long ago by Eusebius "it is all astronomy"
and will continue to be astronomy when the next secret chamber is
opened behind the megalith - though I am not certain that any
additional chamber must exist. The megalith is the required record.

Enjoy,
Andis

Dear LexiLiners,

One of our unserious members uploaded some "singles" materials to
our files and I have deleted those files immediately upon becoming
aware of them. The member has not only been removed from the list,
but has also been banned from the list period.

My tolerance for idiots is zero - whether in academia or elsewhere.
This reduces our potential membership to about 1 percent of
humanity - but I think we will manage - that leaves 60 million
potential members.

As a consequence, our list is no longer open, but restricted, and I
will approve all future membership applications.

If you are not a serious member interested in the history of
civilization, get off this list immediately. We do not need you and
we do not want you.

For those of you who are serious members, "Glad to have you aboard".

Andis

From: Andis Kaulins

To: LexiLine@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 1:33 PM

Subject: [LexiLine] National Geographic Website - Cheops Secret Chamber

Dear LexiLine members,

All the TV information you need about the opening of the Cheops
Secret Chamber - in about 6 hours - is found at

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/09/0910_020913_egypt_1.h
tml

Enjoy,
Andis


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Hi everyone,
My name is Carl and I live in sunny South Africa in Darkest Africa. I am an
accountant in public practice and a new member of this group. I am very into
tracing ancestors and a keen follower of anything to do with the Cheops
Pyramid for reasons I may later disclose. I will be sitting back to evaluate
the material in this group to see how everyone here thinks.
Glad to be here,
Carl
Andis, what more and where will I find info on what you have so far on
Cheops please? To not bore members feel free to reply to my e-mail
schoemankie@....
Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: "girts zadins" <gzadins@...>
To: <LexiLine@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [LexiLine] New Policy : Members may post - all post is
moderated


> Thank you Andis!!!!
> Girts
> --- Andis Kaulins <AKaulins@...> wrote:
> > Dear LexiLine Members,
> >
> > Due to increased interest on the part of the
> > membership, I have
> > decided that members may now post again - but all
> > post is moderated.
> > What this means is that you can post what you want
> > to thís list if
> > you are a member, but your message does not go out
> > to all members
> > until I have OK'd it. I imagine 90 percent of your
> > postings will go
> > through - but the rules are, keep it clean and cite
> > your sources -
> > we are NOT an "opinion" or "chat" list. Back up your
> > statements and
> > theories with facts and original sources if possible
> > and then they
> > are OK. Also try to comment on running topics
> > (threads) first before
> > you open a new topid. The time to open a new topic
> > is when there is
> > a quite period on the list and it needs some new
> > ideas.
> >
> > Members posting material that I subjectively find to
> > be offensive in
> > any way will be removed from this list immediately
> > and permanently.
> >
> > Those of you who recently posted letters to me
> > through the reply
> > function should be aware that a reply now goes to
> > the entire
> > membership, once I have approved any e-mail posting
> > as ok. Sammye,
> > you may want to repost your most recent letters to
> > the entire group.
> >
> > Sorry that moderation is required, but this keeps
> > out the unwanted
> > ads, spam and other junk mail which I can zap
> > immediately into the
> > wastebasket before it clogs your mailboxes.
> >
> > Enjoy,
> > Andis
> >
> >
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----- Original Message -----

From: Andis Kaulins

To: LexiLine@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:19 PM

Subject: [LexiLine] New Policy : Members may post - all post is moderated

Sammye,
you may want to repost your most recent letters to the entire group.

Andis

Andis,

Per your request, I've pasted a copy of my most recent msg. to you, below. It may not make sense to readers without the photos so please feel free to post the photos I sent you.  

 

Sammye

Andis,

 

In a previous msg you indicated you were interested in some of the photos I took in late 90's of petroglyphs in an area near Thermopolis, Wyoming, known as Legend Rock.I've scanned a few for you in Gif and  Jpg formats to give you an idea of the quality of my photos and the type, size etc. of the glyphs in them. I can also send them in Bmp, Gif, Tif or JPG on current computer. Am expecting arrival of a new computer with new software that may offer more possibilities. So pls let me know if you still want them and if so, how you want them sent. Will attach one to this msg, then send each of others in separate msgs.

 

Surely the primary purpose of most of LR glyphs I've photographed must be  astronomical. The area has numerous glyphs-- with the ark-shaped structures with vertical ticks inside horn shaped features and what look like varied numbers of "fingers" on "hands" and "feet" of odd forms resembling creatures-- that you'll see in the samples I'm sending. Am curious to know what you think might be represented ---counts of lunar cycles of some sort? eclipses? perhaps a planesphere of sorts?

 

The man in one of the photos I'm sending is Ray Parman a retired, Wyoming USGS geologist who seemed to know a lot about sites like LR in the state and clearly enjoyed sharing his knowledge. He accompanied us to LR and showed us another near by site with less dramatic glyphs that he said were far older. Instead of collecting arrow heads, he has collected what he believes are small primitive sculptures mostly of animals, "liberated" from stones with stone tools. He said that he has found many of them laid out in an orderly sequence in circles, that he called "Tee Pee" rings. He thinks some of the rings were used to map stars or constellations. He gave us a copy of a book he's published on these sculptures and (sounding somewhat like you) expressed frustration about responses he'd gotten from mainstream archeologists, anthropologists, etc, who were not among "Those who have eyes to see. "Should you ever decide to investigate Wyoming sites, he might be a helpful resource.

 

You might also be interested in another site or set of sites lying partly in Wyoming and partly in Nebraska with much older glyphs. In late 90's a Native Am. acquaintance excitedly told me she had recently been taken by N. Am elders to see some very old N. Am petroglyphs in an area bridging both NE and WY that included several sites and had many panels of glyphs. I know that one of these areas is called "Whoopup Valley". When she reported that some of the panels told the story of a flood and that some had been found to be over 12,000 yrs old, I was more than mildly skeptical. However, I was curious enough to investigate and eventually learned from Dr. Alice Tradebas, Wyoming Bureau of Land Management, New Castle Office that there were indeed many panels of very old glyphs in the areas the woman had described and that some had been carbon dated with results ca. 12,000 years.

 

Dr. Tradebas has done formal papers on these glyphs and seems to be lead person at BLM working on assuring their preservation. My husband Rocky and I had hoped to see some of those glyphs while on the trip, during which we visited LR. Unfortunately, one large area containing glyphs was at that time closed due to serious fires in the area; couple of other areas were  on private property; and vandalism been such a problem that access to the areas where glyphs were located required formal BLM approval and we haven't been back that way since.

 

Sammye Buffum

--- In LexiLine@y..., "Carl Schoeman" <schoemankie@h...> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> My name is Carl and I live in sunny South Africa in Darkest Africa.

Carl,

Welcome to the list.

I have a very good friend who grew up in South Africa and he loved
it there, and he is a very bright man. Through his influence, I
developed a love for native South African folk music which I still
retain today - i.e. Miriam Makeba etc.

Indeed, I would rather listen to South Arican music than a lot of
what is on the airwaves today.

But some modern stuff is very good. The most popular singer in
Belgium, Helmut Lotti, e.g. has a wonderful album put out several
years ago called "Out of Africa" - terrific!

I know you mean it tongue in cheek, but never would I myself call
South Africa "darkest Africa" - it surely is the "pearl" of the
African continent - and we all come from Africa way back when
anyhow.... so if you want to trace the history of civilization back
far enough, you will always wind up on the largest continent, and in
the days when we were all dark.

Race and darkness are NEVER the real problem - it is people and
their BEHAVIOR that is the problem - everywhere.

Andis

--- In LexiLine@y..., "Jean Buffum" <buffroc@i...> wrote:
> Andis,
>
> Link you just sent in msg below, dn work. The underscore at the
end of the link got cut off.
>
> Sammye

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/09/0910_020913_egypt_1.h
tml

Sammye

I have tried to change it above, but I do not know if it will work
since the link was cut off automatically after one line by Yahoo
before.
You may have to type in the missing tml of the .html.

Andis

Thanks, I'm a serious member. Last night's show on the Great Pyramid reminded
me a great deal of a book I read several years ago: The Message of the
Sphinx, by Hancock and Bauval.
Your previous email makes many of the same points the book did, as to the
location of constellations when the pyramid was built and the purpose of the
shafts. All very interesting.
Janice Bernath

Dear LexiLiners,

Sammye (Jean Buffum) has posted a number of photos to a new folder
in our files (U.S.). By default - the posting of files or photos to
our list by members is not permitted. If you wish to post files or
photos, please contact me about it, telling me what you intend to
post and I may enable this function for you if I think your photos
should be in our files.

please see
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LexiLine/files

These photos relate to Legend Rock in Wyoming. Based on these photos
I can say unequivocally that this is a major megalithic site. Some
of the rocks on which the petroglyphs are found are clearly carved
into the shape of large human heads - see if you can spot them. One
rock also looks like a serpent's head. I would guess that the
figures (petroglyphs) painted on these rocks are later in time and
that the rocks themselves are the original megalithic star map.

Sammye, post more photos if you wish - this is a major site. Are
there any photos giving an overview of the entire site so that we
can place the location of the petroglyphs and rocks one to the other?

Andis

I too am a serious member....I also enjoyed last night's interesting program on the Great Pyramid and hope to see more like this in the future. And yes, I am also a fan of Hancock and Bauval.   Thanks for keeping the list to the topic and though most do not email the list....I just wanted you to know it is appreciated.    Cytnhia Crowley

 JBern68078@... wrote:

Thanks, I'm a serious member. Last night's show on the Great Pyramid reminded
me a great deal of a book I read several years ago: The Message of the
Sphinx, by Hancock and Bauval.
Your previous email makes many of the same points the book did, as to the
location of constellations when the pyramid was built and the purpose of the
shafts. All very interesting.
Janice Bernath


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Dear Andis and Lexiliners

Photos of Petroglyphs at "Legend Rock" site near Thermopolis,Wyoming
have been uploaded to the "Files" section. To view choose files from
the menu, then click on

U.S. Petroglyphs > Wyoming > Legend Rock

Will look forward to interpretations of their astronomical
significance.

Cheers,

Sammye

Hello,
What information!
This is the most incredible and fascinating insight!  I found it most
fascinating and more exciting than anything imaginable.    I was
wondering if you had any pictures showing those marks that you
mentioned as I was disapointed by the National Geographic picture.All
I could see was the rough stone with some cracks.   I did not or am
not trained to see some of the markings that you discussed.   I am so
glad to  have read your amazing article which makes perfect sense.
Why indeed would the Egyptians have a sealed off chamber to a large
boulder in the middle of the pyramid. Why indeed!!!!  Thank you for
the most astonishing observations.
Cynthia Crowley
--- In LexiLine@y..., "Andis Kaulins" <AKaulins@a...> wrote:

Hi Andis,
Thanks for your welcoming note. In your note you mentioned an interesting
theory that we were once all dark? My research brought me to the opposite
conclusion. Could you please forward your sources to me for studying
purposes? I.e. websites, literature,etc. and I will let you have mine.
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andis Kaulins" <AKaulins@...>
To: <LexiLine@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:39 PM
Subject: [LexiLine] Re: New person


> --- In LexiLine@y..., "Carl Schoeman" <schoemankie@h...> wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> > My name is Carl and I live in sunny South Africa in Darkest Africa.
>
> Carl,
>
> Welcome to the list.
>
> I have a very good friend who grew up in South Africa and he loved
> it there, and he is a very bright man. Through his influence, I
> developed a love for native South African folk music which I still
> retain today - i.e. Miriam Makeba etc.
>
> Indeed, I would rather listen to South Arican music than a lot of
> what is on the airwaves today.
>
> But some modern stuff is very good. The most popular singer in
> Belgium, Helmut Lotti, e.g. has a wonderful album put out several
> years ago called "Out of Africa" - terrific!
>
> I know you mean it tongue in cheek, but never would I myself call
> South Africa "darkest Africa" - it surely is the "pearl" of the
> African continent - and we all come from Africa way back when
> anyhow.... so if you want to trace the history of civilization back
> far enough, you will always wind up on the largest continent, and in
> the days when we were all dark.
>
> Race and darkness are NEVER the real problem - it is people and
> their BEHAVIOR that is the problem - everywhere.
>
> Andis
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--- In LexiLine@y..., "Carl Schoeman" <schoemankie@h...> wrote:
> Hi Andis,
> Thanks for your welcoming note. In your note you mentioned an
interesting
> theory that we were once all dark? My research brought me to the
opposite
> conclusion. Could you please forward your sources to me for
studying
> purposes? I.e. websites, literature,etc. and I will let you have
mine.
> Carl

Carl,

here is a nice web link discussing the theories

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/01/0111origins.html

Richard Leakey suggests - based on the social civilized organization
of modern man - that we may derive from the KUNG! Bushmen, whose
social organization can be seen as the precursor to modern man's
social organization.

Since Latvian KUNG means "man, sir" KUNDZE is "lady" and since the
Baltic languages are the oldest still spoken Indo-European tongues,
which is why the Baltic is called the Baltic - for BALT in Latvian
means white - the issue for me is moot. We are just paled-out
darkies.

I personally do not know of any serious intelligent person who
doubts the "Out of Africa" theory. There may be intelligent multi-
regionalists out there, but I have never met one and I will not
waste my time or the list's time on this stuff - it leads nowhere.

We will also not permit "creationist" nonsense to be discussed here.
There are plenty of waste-your-time religious forums for that kind
of thing online.

My view on religion is simple. Belief is not fact. It is the absence
of fact.

Andis

Dear LexiLiners,

The full name of the crown of Upper Egypt (the one that looks like a
pawn in a chess game) is p3 shmty in current mainstream
Egyptological transcription. (3 is a symbol used sort of like an "r"
and was adopted as a symbol by the Egyptologists to further confuse
what is already a disastrous linguistics in Egyptology.)

p3 shmty is actually Indo-European,
e.g. Latvian
pari zemitei
which means "over the land".

That the Latvian comparable is correct is proven by a variant form
of writing this hieroglyph, which has the crown sitting on top of
the nb-hieroglyph - half a circle with the flat top upward - i.e.
the land, earth. (see Betro's book on the hieroglyphs)

Andis