That would be nice! Please make a tutorial...i am a noob concerning
linux....but i want to try out a debian installation...a preview
over "chroot" would be very comfortable ;).....so if you make a
tutorial i am the first who uses it :)

regards
Markus



--- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "James Stewart"
<wartstew@y...> wrote:
> Just a reminder: all this is trivial once you've converted over to a
> full sized Linux.  It will all download, install, and setup with a
> simple "apt-get"(Debian) or "emerge"(Gentoo) command.
>
> I'm running the eDonkey client "aMule", the
bittorrent "bittorrnado",
> python, and lots of other stuff (like a full graphical window
> environment!) on my Debianized LS.  It is a wonderful machine for me
> right now.  If you don't believe me, you can test drive it yourself
in
> a "chroot" environment over on /dev/hda3 just like I did until I
> decided that there was no benefit to keeping the original LS OS. If
> you decide you don't like it, just erase the directory tree.
>
> I can do a HowTo page on how to run Debian in a chroot environment
if
> you'd like.
>
> --- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "cherrytreeproduction"
> <cherrytreeproduction@y...> wrote:
> > I searched for a mldonkey-binary that worked...but a torrent
client
> > would also be a good choice...i am interested, too...
> >
> > has anyone done this right now??

James,

this would be great, a very comfortable way to check this step out.

I hope you find the time to do it.

Thanks in advance,

pretzel_munster.

--- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "cherrytreeproduction"
<cherrytreeproduction@y...> wrote:
> That would be nice! Please make a tutorial...i am a noob concerning
> linux....but i want to try out a debian installation...a preview
> over "chroot" would be very comfortable ;).....so if you make a
> tutorial i am the first who uses it :)
>
> regards
> Markus
>
>
>
> --- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "James Stewart"
> <wartstew@y...> wrote:
> > Just a reminder: all this is trivial once you've converted over to a
> > full sized Linux.  It will all download, install, and setup with a
> > simple "apt-get"(Debian) or "emerge"(Gentoo) command.
> >
> > I'm running the eDonkey client "aMule", the
> bittorrent "bittorrnado",
> > python, and lots of other stuff (like a full graphical window
> > environment!) on my Debianized LS.  It is a wonderful machine for me
> > right now.  If you don't believe me, you can test drive it yourself
> in
> > a "chroot" environment over on /dev/hda3 just like I did until I
> > decided that there was no benefit to keeping the original LS OS. If
> > you decide you don't like it, just erase the directory tree.
> >
> > I can do a HowTo page on how to run Debian in a chroot environment
> if
> > you'd like.
> >
> > --- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "cherrytreeproduction"
> > <cherrytreeproduction@y...> wrote:
> > > I searched for a mldonkey-binary that worked...but a torrent
> client
> > > would also be a good choice...i am interested, too...
> > >
> > > has anyone done this right now??

Can someone help?  Which is better to install on this Gentoo (there is
a detailed step by step on thier wiki) or Debian?  Any insights to the
pros on cons would be great!

Thanks,

John

--- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "bmwbiker0569"
<bmwbiker@t...> wrote:
> Hello James Steward,
>
> can you tell me the pro's & cons's about running Debian in a
> "chroot"-Environment, and how to do this ?

Basically you put a complete file system for some other Linux system
somewhere else on your hard drive.  For example when I was
test-driving Debian, I put it in /mnt/debian on my Linkstation,
which put it in a directory off /dev/hda3 where I had room for it.
(the typical command would be "tar -zxf <filename.tgz>"
from /mnt/debian)

Then you use the chroot command that you can get from the files
section of this Yahoo group (which I got from the debian distro
itself) and run this:

> chroot /mnt/debian

So now "/mnt/debian" becomes your new root ("/"), so all new
commands, references to shared libraries, etc will come from
within /mnt/debian.

One thing I found useful is to mount a new copy of /proc in this
debian file system because a lot of programs expect that it should
be there:

> mount -t proc proc /proc

So now your can do most anything as if you are really running
Debian, such as install new software, run services like vnc, ssh, a
bittorrent client, and other stuff as long as it doesn't conflict
with what is *still* running on your LS OS (like telnet, ftp, web
servers, etc).  The bad news is that as soon as you close down your
telnet session, all this stops.  There are ways to deal with this
but that is best for another discussion.

Oh yea, to exit from your chroot environment, back to your LS,
simply do a ctrl-d.

> I'm running Debian on a Linkstation@Kurobox with Samba. Some other
> Stuff will be "apt-get" in the future like Apache and some
> Backup-soft.

So if you are already running Debian, the only advantage to doing
this chroot thing is to, once again, try out another Linux.  For
example, if you were hesitant about upgrading to "Sid" you can
simply copy your existing debian off somewhere:

> cp -ax / /mnt/debian2

then chroot into it, upgrade it and see if you like it.  You can
test drive the Gentoo distribution this way too, or finally you can
do a reverse of above where you boot into "Sid" but then keep a copy
of "Woody" around so that you can chroot into it and perpare
software that could be compatible with the original LS OS for all
your friends you left behind.

Please look over the brief version of such a thing I just put in
another post on this thread and tell me what areas I need to go into
more detail with to make things more clear.

Note that you can work with your chrooted Debian and get it working
the way you want it, then save that whole thing off somewhere and
then install it as your primary OS when you decide it time to ween
yourself from the LS OS.

--- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "cherrytreeproduction"
<cherrytreeproduction@y...> wrote:

> That would be nice! Please make a tutorial...i am a noob
> concerning linux....but i want to try out a debian
> installation...a preview over "chroot" would be very
> comfortable ;).....so if you make a tutorial i am the first who
> uses it :)
>
>
> --- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "James Stewart"
> <wartstew@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I can do a HowTo page on how to run Debian in a chroot
> > environment if you'd like.

I myself would favor debian because it seems to me easier to install.
One of the major advantages of gentoo is compiling source to perfectly
fit your system but that won't be much fun on a relatively slow system
with only 64mb. I tried gentoo on a desktop system and honestly had
some problems (which I may be the reason for) and my test with debian
were all successful. But choosing a linux distribution is always to
some extent a matter of personal taste ...



--- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "johnnypirish"
<irishjohnnyp-boards@y...> wrote:
> Can someone help?  Which is better to install on this Gentoo (there is
> a detailed step by step on thier wiki) or Debian?  Any insights to the
> pros on cons would be great!
>
> Thanks,
>
> John

In Gentoo, you have to compile most everything, but Gentoo makes it
very easy because the download, compile, install process is all done
with a simple "emerge" command.  The problem is that compiling large
software packages can take a long time on something like a
LinkStation -- like days!  Gentoo should to be more "bleeding edge"
up-to-date on software versions since no one had to previously
compile it for all the different architectures like with Debian.

In Debian everything is precompiled for you.  You download and
install software with a single "apt-get" command.  Even Debian
"Unstable" (Sid) tends to be about one (small) step behind the
current software versions, but what you gain from this is less
problems dealing with new software that isn't quite fully tested
yet.

Debian has a large user base.  Most "open source" software
developers use it.  Since I found that a lot of the documentation
for it is lacking or at least disorganized, It is nice that I can
get very quick answers to my problems from online forums like
"linuxquestions.org".  Debian has lots of "structures" added on that
are designed to make software upgrades and configuring more
automatic, but at the expense of a lot of added complication that is
sometimes hard to figure out when something goes wrong.  These are
Debian specific issues that only Debian users can answer.

Gentoo (I think, I don't really know because I've never run Gentoo
myself) has a lot less added complexity.  You probably have to
manually configure things, but then you don't have anything that
gets in your way of doing this as you would with Debian.  Another
advantage of this is that the configuring process would more closely
match the instructions that the author of the software would
recommend, which can sometimes be easier than trying to figure out
how Debian does it.  Gentoo is a younger Linux, but its popularity
is growing very fast.  I'm sure you can get good answers to
questions on linuxquestion.org for it as well.

Debian Unstable has over 16000 software packages listed.  I don't
know how much Gentoo has, but it *could* compare because
source-based distributions tend to have large repositories (like
FreeBSD).  Any Gentoo users care to fill me in?  Don't under
estimate the importance of this because anything not in a
distribution's repository you have to manually download, chase down
dependencies, deal with shared library conflicts, and possibly
compile, just like you have to do with the original LS OS.

Despite the complication of Debian, I believe that it would be
easier for new Linux users to deal with.  Gentoo is more for "power
users" that want the latest and greatest stuff fully optimized for
there hardware are are willing to be the first to have to deal with
new odd problems that might come up from this.

Of course I'm running Debian, but Gentoo was my 2nd choice, and this
was even before I discovered that people in Japan had already done
Debian and Gentoo versions for the LS.

Gentoo users, please suggest changes that would make this comparison
more accurate.

--- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "johnnypirish"
<irishjohnnyp-boards@y...> wrote:
> Can someone help?  Which is better to install on this Gentoo
(there is
> a detailed step by step on thier wiki) or Debian?  Any insights to
the
> pros on cons would be great!
>
> Thanks,
>
> John

Thanks a lot.

I added the (first) steps to install debian to the Hacking How-To.

--- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "drivola80"
<daviderivola@p...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> that's great news! I really enjoyed your hacking how to, and I'm
> curious  to see the next chapter. Great job!
> Davide

James,

this sounds really interesting. I am curios of trying out a Debian
system. The only thing that makes me fear ist loosing my warranty. I
read your Debian installation instructions and was wondering if there
was a way to get around having to get the hard disk out of the LS and
putting it into a PC. Why can't I just copy all the files I need over
the network to say, /dev/hda3 and the chroot from the LS standard
linux (as a first step)? Or did I miss something?
And then how to avoid that this chrooted linux stops working when I
close telnet? It would make the attempt of trying to make the LS a
device that I can leave running as a server or torrent client absurd,
if I had to leave the PC with the telnet session running...

Please forgive my missing linux skills. But I'm keen on learning!

Kind regards, pretzel_munster.

--- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "James Stewart"
<wartstew@y...> wrote:
> --- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "bmwbiker0569"
> <bmwbiker@t...> wrote:
> > Hello James Steward,
> >
> > can you tell me the pro's & cons's about running Debian in a
> > "chroot"-Environment, and how to do this ?
>
> Basically you put a complete file system for some other Linux system
> somewhere else on your hard drive.  For example when I was
> test-driving Debian, I put it in /mnt/debian on my Linkstation,
> which put it in a directory off /dev/hda3 where I had room for it.
> (the typical command would be "tar -zxf <filename.tgz>"
> from /mnt/debian)
>
> Then you use the chroot command that you can get from the files
> section of this Yahoo group (which I got from the debian distro
> itself) and run this:
>
> > chroot /mnt/debian
>
> So now "/mnt/debian" becomes your new root ("/"), so all new
> commands, references to shared libraries, etc will come from
> within /mnt/debian.
>
> One thing I found useful is to mount a new copy of /proc in this
> debian file system because a lot of programs expect that it should
> be there:
>
> > mount -t proc proc /proc
>
> So now your can do most anything as if you are really running
> Debian, such as install new software, run services like vnc, ssh, a
> bittorrent client, and other stuff as long as it doesn't conflict
> with what is *still* running on your LS OS (like telnet, ftp, web
> servers, etc).  The bad news is that as soon as you close down your
> telnet session, all this stops.  There are ways to deal with this
> but that is best for another discussion.
>
> Oh yea, to exit from your chroot environment, back to your LS,
> simply do a ctrl-d.
>
> > I'm running Debian on a Linkstation@Kurobox with Samba. Some other
> > Stuff will be "apt-get" in the future like Apache and some
> > Backup-soft.
>
> So if you are already running Debian, the only advantage to doing
> this chroot thing is to, once again, try out another Linux.  For
> example, if you were hesitant about upgrading to "Sid" you can
> simply copy your existing debian off somewhere:
>
> > cp -ax / /mnt/debian2
>
> then chroot into it, upgrade it and see if you like it.  You can
> test drive the Gentoo distribution this way too, or finally you can
> do a reverse of above where you boot into "Sid" but then keep a copy
> of "Woody" around so that you can chroot into it and perpare
> software that could be compatible with the original LS OS for all
> your friends you left behind.

i will try your tutorial tommorow morning....

this things are a bit unclear for me right now (because i am a nooby
but i am willing to learn):

1)
>I put it in /mnt/debian on my Linkstation,
>which put it in a directory off /dev/hda3 where I had room for it.

how do you do this? with which command? sounds like you are creating a
folder in /dev/hda3 (which is the third partition on the LS?) and u
are mounting it....but which command(s) do u use for it?

2)
from where do i get the debian system tree? do i have to copy it from
a existing debian-installation (which cant be right because an
existing installation is compiled for x86, is this right?) or are
there any other possibilities?

Regards
Markus

--- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "James Stewart"
<wartstew@y...> wrote:
> Please look over the brief version of such a thing I just put in
> another post on this thread and tell me what areas I need to go into
> more detail with to make things more clear.
>
> Note that you can work with your chrooted Debian and get it working
> the way you want it, then save that whole thing off somewhere and
> then install it as your primary OS when you decide it time to ween
> yourself from the LS OS.
>
> --- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "cherrytreeproduction"
> <cherrytreeproduction@y...> wrote:
>
> > That would be nice! Please make a tutorial...i am a noob
> > concerning linux....but i want to try out a debian
> > installation...a preview over "chroot" would be very
> > comfortable ;).....so if you make a tutorial i am the first who
> > uses it :)
> >
> >
> > --- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "James Stewart"
> > <wartstew@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I can do a HowTo page on how to run Debian in a chroot
> > > environment if you'd like.

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Stewart" <wartstew@...>
To: <LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 10:12 AM
Subject: [LinkStation_General] Re: Torrent client on the LS?


> --- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "bmwbiker0569"
> <bmwbiker@t...> wrote:
>> Hello James Steward,
>>
>> can you tell me the pro's & cons's about running Debian in a
>> "chroot"-Environment, and how to do this ?
>
> Basically you put a complete file system for some other Linux system
> somewhere else on your hard drive.  For example when I was
> test-driving Debian, I put it in /mnt/debian on my Linkstation,
> which put it in a directory off /dev/hda3 where I had room for it.
> (the typical command would be "tar -zxf <filename.tgz>"
> from /mnt/debian)
>
> Then you use the chroot command that you can get from the files
> section of this Yahoo group (which I got from the debian distro
> itself) and run this:
>
>> chroot /mnt/debian
>
> So now "/mnt/debian" becomes your new root ("/"), so all new
> commands, references to shared libraries, etc will come from
> within /mnt/debian.
>
> One thing I found useful is to mount a new copy of /proc in this
> debian file system because a lot of programs expect that it should
> be there:
>
>> mount -t proc proc /proc
>
> So now your can do most anything as if you are really running
> Debian, such as install new software, run services like vnc, ssh, a
> bittorrent client, and other stuff as long as it doesn't conflict
> with what is *still* running on your LS OS (like telnet, ftp, web
> servers, etc).  The bad news is that as soon as you close down your
> telnet session, all this stops.  There are ways to deal with this
> but that is best for another discussion.
>
> Oh yea, to exit from your chroot environment, back to your LS,
> simply do a ctrl-d.
>
>> I'm running Debian on a Linkstation@Kurobox with Samba. Some other
>> Stuff will be "apt-get" in the future like Apache and some
>> Backup-soft.
>
> So if you are already running Debian, the only advantage to doing
> this chroot thing is to, once again, try out another Linux.  For
> example, if you were hesitant about upgrading to "Sid" you can
> simply copy your existing debian off somewhere:
>
>> cp -ax / /mnt/debian2
>
> then chroot into it, upgrade it and see if you like it.  You can
> test drive the Gentoo distribution this way too, or finally you can
> do a reverse of above where you boot into "Sid" but then keep a copy
> of "Woody" around so that you can chroot into it and perpare
> software that could be compatible with the original LS OS for all
> your friends you left behind.
>
>
James,

Excellent explanation and example as to how to use chroot.  Why don't you
just copy those sections to a file and call it a chroot how-to?

JR

--- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "pretzel_munster"
<pretzel_munster@y...> wrote:

> Why can't I just copy all the files I need over
> the network to say, /dev/hda3 and the chroot from the LS standard
> linux (as a first step)? Or did I miss something?

Nope, you didn't miss anything, that is exactly what I did.

There are other ways to install Debian (where it boots into Debian)
that probably wouldn't involve opening the LS.  I started down this
path, but gave up.  Maybe someone else can perfect another method of
installing Debian on the LS.

> And then how to avoid that this chrooted linux stops working when I
> close telnet? It would make the attempt of trying to make the LS a
> device that I can leave running as a server or torrent client
> absurd, if I had to leave the PC with the telnet session running...

True, that is why I call the thing a "test drive".  Somebody reported
using a utility called "screen" to detach a session, there are
probably other ways too.  I just don't know them.

> Please forgive my missing linux skills. But I'm keen on learning!

We're all just learning!  I just got a little bit of a head start.

--- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "cherrytreeproduction"
<cherrytreeproduction@y...> wrote:

> >I put it in /mnt/debian on my Linkstation, which put it in a
> > directory off /dev/hda3 where I had room for it.
>
> how do you do this? with which command? sounds like you are creating
> a folder in /dev/hda3 (which is the third partition on the LS?) and
> u are mounting it....but which command(s) do u use for it?

Copy the debian_2004_12_26_dist.tgz file using windows file sharing to
the /mnt/Shared directory.  Then telnet in and do this

  cd /mnt
  mkdir debian
  cp /mnt/Shared/debian_2004_12_26_dist.tgz /mnt/debian
  cd debian
  tar -zxf debian_2004_12_26_dist.tgz

I can't remember the exact name of /mnt/Shared (is it really capital
"S"?), You could even put the whole thing under your "Shared"
directory if you want, it would then be accessable from Windows file
sharing.

> from where do i get the debian system tree?

From http://kuro.kaguya.biz/data/

It's about 30 Megs or so.

It is a archived "tarball" of a running Debian "Woody" installation
from a LS (PPC based).  Just download it, unarchive it (that "tar"
command above) and you'll have it, ready to chroot into.

Be sure to read the docs in the "Debian-on-Linkstation" section in the
files section of this Yahoo group.  I'm really pushing the idea of
upgrading "Woody" to "Sid".

Is anybody interested in a community Wiki with complete tutorials for
everything? I've now successfuly:

-Converted to Debian Sid
-Added iptables support
-Installed OpenSSH
-Installed NTP
-Installed SAMBA/SMBFS
-Configured the hard drive to spin down on idle
-Installed VNC
-Installed a web browser (Firefox)
-Installed a web server (thttpd)
-Installed Webmin
-Installed Java
-Installed a Bittorrent client
-Turned the Linkstation into an automated virtual TiVo
-Configured a VPN (Virtual Private Network)

I'm working on configuring the Linkstation to control my UPS. I can
throw together a Wiki with tutorials (geared towards newbies) on
everything I've listed. While Yahoo Groups is decent, it's not really
conducive towards a community and the interactive exchange of ideas. I
think the Wiki could serve as a simple interactive FAQ/Tutorial
repository while the Yahoo Group can continue to function as the
primary venue of communication for members. Of course none of this
would have been possible without the support and information provided
by the all the great members here. Let me know what you guys think.

Actually I would recommend using the most recent debian tarball
available instead of one that's dated from last year.  A current one
can be found here:

http://210.166.208.216/kuro-box/archive/


--- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "James Stewart"
> Copy the debian_2004_12_26_dist.tgz file using windows file sharing to
> the /mnt/Shared directory.  Then telnet in and do this

oh..i am sorry...my questions were answered reading your debian
installation instructions.....so i will try out making a chroot
environment....in a about 20 minutes...now i have to eat something...i
drank too much yesterday ;)

regards
Markus

--- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "James Stewart"
<wartstew@y...> wrote:
> --- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "cherrytreeproduction"
> <cherrytreeproduction@y...> wrote:
>
> > >I put it in /mnt/debian on my Linkstation, which put it in a
> > > directory off /dev/hda3 where I had room for it.
> >
> > how do you do this? with which command? sounds like you are creating
> > a folder in /dev/hda3 (which is the third partition on the LS?) and
> > u are mounting it....but which command(s) do u use for it?
>
> Copy the debian_2004_12_26_dist.tgz file using windows file sharing to
> the /mnt/Shared directory.  Then telnet in and do this
>
>  cd /mnt
>  mkdir debian
>  cp /mnt/Shared/debian_2004_12_26_dist.tgz /mnt/debian
>  cd debian
>  tar -zxf debian_2004_12_26_dist.tgz
>
> I can't remember the exact name of /mnt/Shared (is it really capital
> "S"?), You could even put the whole thing under your "Shared"
> directory if you want, it would then be accessable from Windows file
> sharing.
>
> > from where do i get the debian system tree?
>
> From http://kuro.kaguya.biz/data/
>
> It's about 30 Megs or so.
>
> It is a archived "tarball" of a running Debian "Woody" installation
> from a LS (PPC based).  Just download it, unarchive it (that "tar"
> command above) and you'll have it, ready to chroot into.
>
> Be sure to read the docs in the "Debian-on-Linkstation" section in the
> files section of this Yahoo group.  I'm really pushing the idea of
> upgrading "Woody" to "Sid".

Great Idee, certainly a wiki would be much better than yahoo. If you
have the time and webspace I can simply say: please do it.

--- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "wedgemusic"
<wedgemusic@y...> wrote:
> Is anybody interested in a community Wiki with complete tutorials for
> everything? I've now successfuly:
>
> -Converted to Debian Sid
> -Added iptables support
> -Installed OpenSSH
> -Installed NTP
> -Installed SAMBA/SMBFS
> -Configured the hard drive to spin down on idle
> -Installed VNC
> -Installed a web browser (Firefox)
> -Installed a web server (thttpd)
> -Installed Webmin
> -Installed Java
> -Installed a Bittorrent client
> -Turned the Linkstation into an automated virtual TiVo
> -Configured a VPN (Virtual Private Network)
>
> I'm working on configuring the Linkstation to control my UPS. I can
> throw together a Wiki with tutorials (geared towards newbies) on
> everything I've listed. While Yahoo Groups is decent, it's not really
> conducive towards a community and the interactive exchange of ideas. I
> think the Wiki could serve as a simple interactive FAQ/Tutorial
> repository while the Yahoo Group can continue to function as the
> primary venue of communication for members. Of course none of this
> would have been possible without the support and information provided
> by the all the great members here. Let me know what you guys think.

Hello wedgemusic,

i have some problems with samba 3.14a in an ADS-Environment...
I can kinit my users in the LS/Debian, but i only see the Kuro-Box in the
"net view" at CMD on server2003, if i "net use", then i have to type in my
account and password, but nothing of the passwords are Accepted (no local
passwords by Kuro-box / no domain-Member-Accounts )

Can you give me an idea, what's going wrong.

I use Debian 'Sid' and think, it is an great deal to work and learn with
it...

I'm verry interested in reading your tutorials and what i can do with these
!

But i have some questions....
Why or for what i need : 'iptables support' ; NTP ; SMBFS ; what funktion I
can use by 'webmin'

Can you give me some links to these themes or give me an exlanation (??? I'm
from Germany, but my english ist slowly 'growing'!!)


thanks a lot,

best Regards from the rainy lake of Konstanz (Bodensee)

klaus (bmwbiker)


----- Original Message -----
From: "wedgemusic" <wedgemusic@...>
To: <LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 5:06 AM
Subject: [LinkStation_General] Anyone interested in a community Wiki?


> Is anybody interested in a community Wiki with complete tutorials for
> everything? I've now successfuly:
>
> -Converted to Debian Sid
> -Added iptables support
> -Installed OpenSSH
> -Installed NTP
> -Installed SAMBA/SMBFS
> -Configured the hard drive to spin down on idle
> -Installed VNC
> -Installed a web browser (Firefox)
> -Installed a web server (thttpd)
> -Installed Webmin
> -Installed Java
> -Installed a Bittorrent client
> -Turned the Linkstation into an automated virtual TiVo
> -Configured a VPN (Virtual Private Network)
>
> I'm working on configuring the Linkstation to control my UPS. I can
> throw together a Wiki with tutorials (geared towards newbies) on
> everything I've listed. While Yahoo Groups is decent, it's not really
> conducive towards a community and the interactive exchange of ideas. I
> think the Wiki could serve as a simple interactive FAQ/Tutorial
> repository while the Yahoo Group can continue to function as the
> primary venue of communication for members. Of course none of this
> would have been possible without the support and information provided
> by the all the great members here. Let me know what you guys think.
>
>
>
>
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steps i have done already:

i have downloaded the new tarball of debian from
   http://210.166.208.216/kuro-box/archive/

then i have copied it to /mnt/debian und untared it with

>root@LINKSTATION:/mnt/debian# tar -zxf debian_2005_04_09_dist.tgz.gz

i had one problem. i thought "where do i put the untared chroot-file?"
but the only problem was, that i didnt know how to execute in linux
correctly...i tried

>chroot /mnt/debian

but i then i got

>bash: chroot: command not found

then i put the chroot-file in /mnt/debian and used it this way:

> /mnt/debian/chroot /mnt/debian

and it worked. so for linux novices it is unclear how to execute a
file...so plz include where to put the chroot file and how to execute
it.....then everything works...


i will install some software now :)

i hope to get samba, ntp, ftp, bittorrent running today....

regards
markus

--- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "James Stewart"
<wartstew@y...> wrote:
> --- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "bmwbiker0569"
> <bmwbiker@t...> wrote:
> > Hello James Steward,
> >
> > can you tell me the pro's & cons's about running Debian in a
> > "chroot"-Environment, and how to do this ?
>
> Basically you put a complete file system for some other Linux system
> somewhere else on your hard drive.  For example when I was
> test-driving Debian, I put it in /mnt/debian on my Linkstation,
> which put it in a directory off /dev/hda3 where I had room for it.
> (the typical command would be "tar -zxf <filename.tgz>"
> from /mnt/debian)
>
> Then you use the chroot command that you can get from the files
> section of this Yahoo group (which I got from the debian distro
> itself) and run this:
>
> > chroot /mnt/debian
>
> So now "/mnt/debian" becomes your new root ("/"), so all new
> commands, references to shared libraries, etc will come from
> within /mnt/debian.
>
> One thing I found useful is to mount a new copy of /proc in this
> debian file system because a lot of programs expect that it should
> be there:
>
> > mount -t proc proc /proc
>
> So now your can do most anything as if you are really running
> Debian, such as install new software, run services like vnc, ssh, a
> bittorrent client, and other stuff as long as it doesn't conflict
> with what is *still* running on your LS OS (like telnet, ftp, web
> servers, etc).  The bad news is that as soon as you close down your
> telnet session, all this stops.  There are ways to deal with this
> but that is best for another discussion.
>
> Oh yea, to exit from your chroot environment, back to your LS,
> simply do a ctrl-d.
>
> > I'm running Debian on a Linkstation@Kurobox with Samba. Some other
> > Stuff will be "apt-get" in the future like Apache and some
> > Backup-soft.
>
> So if you are already running Debian, the only advantage to doing
> this chroot thing is to, once again, try out another Linux.  For
> example, if you were hesitant about upgrading to "Sid" you can
> simply copy your existing debian off somewhere:
>
> > cp -ax / /mnt/debian2
>
> then chroot into it, upgrade it and see if you like it.  You can
> test drive the Gentoo distribution this way too, or finally you can
> do a reverse of above where you boot into "Sid" but then keep a copy
> of "Woody" around so that you can chroot into it and perpare
> software that could be compatible with the original LS OS for all
> your friends you left behind.

Hi,

I finally managed to put debian (sarge) on my Linkstation II ! As soon
as I'm sure the steps I took were correct ;-) I will sort the notes I
took, write them down and put them into my hacking-howto.
It would have been easier to buy a PPC-based Linkstation but hey: it
has been fun ;-)
The hardest part in the end has been to make the Linkstation not
reboot after 5 minutes but I finally found where the "watchdog" is set ...

Hi, serial Console on TeraStation work. But lof in with root not.
I have Firmware 1.05 on it. There is no way to get root.
Have somebody an idea?
by Stefan

Why not just setup a Linkstation section on the Kuro wiki:

http://www.kurobox.com/online/tiki-index.php?page=Welcome

Buffalo provides the bandwidth and essentially ignores it.  However
since the Kuro and Linkstation (Mk I) are essentially identical there
is pretty  significant overlap in the information.
--- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "balimbabullabe"
<balimbabullabe@y...> wrote:
>
> Great Idee, certainly a wiki would be much better than yahoo. If you
> have the time and webspace I can simply say: please do it.
>
> --- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "wedgemusic"
> <wedgemusic@y...> wrote:
> > Is anybody interested in a community Wiki with complete tutorials for
> > everything? I've now successfuly:
> >
> > -Converted to Debian Sid
> > -Added iptables support
> > -Installed OpenSSH
> > -Installed NTP
> > -Installed SAMBA/SMBFS
> > -Configured the hard drive to spin down on idle
> > -Installed VNC
> > -Installed a web browser (Firefox)
> > -Installed a web server (thttpd)
> > -Installed Webmin
> > -Installed Java
> > -Installed a Bittorrent client
> > -Turned the Linkstation into an automated virtual TiVo
> > -Configured a VPN (Virtual Private Network)
> >
> > I'm working on configuring the Linkstation to control my UPS. I can
> > throw together a Wiki with tutorials (geared towards newbies) on
> > everything I've listed. While Yahoo Groups is decent, it's not really
> > conducive towards a community and the interactive exchange of ideas. I
> > think the Wiki could serve as a simple interactive FAQ/Tutorial
> > repository while the Yahoo Group can continue to function as the
> > primary venue of communication for members. Of course none of this
> > would have been possible without the support and information provided
> > by the all the great members here. Let me know what you guys think.

--- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "cherrytreeproduction"
<cherrytreeproduction@y...> wrote:
> steps i have done already:
>
> i have downloaded the new tarball of debian from
>   http://210.166.208.216/kuro-box/archive/

Oh good.  I was wondering where people were getting what probably is a
newer version from.  I guess we need to put the link in the "Links"
section of the group.

> i thought "where do i put the untared chroot-file?"

Where ever you want, but it might make the "tar" command more
complicated, for example: tar -zxf ../Shared/download/debian.tgz

> but the only problem was, that i didnt know how to execute in linux
> correctly...i tried
>
> >chroot /mnt/debian
>
> but i then i got
>
> >bash: chroot: command not found
>
> then i put the chroot-file in /mnt/debian and used it this way:
>
> > /mnt/debian/chroot /mnt/debian

Actually I think the chroot command is in the debian distro. In your
example it would be /mnt/debian/usr/sbin/chroot.  Alternatively what I
did was copy the chroot command to the same place on the LS OS,
(/usr/sbin) then chroot just works without the full pathname.

> and it worked. so for linux novices it is unclear how to execute a
> file...so plz include where to put the chroot file and how to
> execute it.....then everything works...

Great.  The program "aptitude" is a useful package browser.  If you
can't find what you are looking for AND you haven't upgraded to
"testing" or "unstable", then that is why.  "stable" is a rather small
(and old) collection of software.  Read the "Upgrading" doc in the
"Debian on Linkstation" section.

Looks like you are doing good, keep going, I'm sure you will
eventually find that it is well worth it.

--- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "bmwbiker" <bmwbiker@t...>
wrote:

> Why or for what i need :

'iptables support'

It contains the firewalling functions for the kernel.  Some utilities
in Debian seem to be configured to expect that it exists.

; NTP
Keeps the clock synchronized to Internet NTP servers.  Can then make
your LS an NTP server itself so you can synchronize your other
computers to it.

; SMBFS

Allows you to access Windows shares from your Linkstation if you want to.

; what funktion I can use by 'webmin'

Gives you a web based access to common administrative functions of
your Linkstation.  It serves as a replacement for the web based tool
that the original LS OS has that you would lose if you did the Debian
total conversion.  It is not required if you don't mind telneting in
and doing things directly.

>
> Can you give me some links to these themes or give me an exlanation
(??? I'm from Germany, but my english ist slowly 'growing'!!)

I'm kind of busy at the moment, I can give you more information later
if you need.


Hopefully wedgemusic can get all this on his proposed wiki.  It looks
like I need some help with ntpd anyway because mine keeps dropping out
of sync and won't update, relying instead on an obviously wrong drift
file.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wedgemusic" <wedgemusic@y...>
>
> > Is anybody interested in a community Wiki with complete tutorials
> > for everything? I've now successfuly:
> >
> > -Converted to Debian Sid
> > -Added iptables support
> > -Installed OpenSSH
> > -Installed NTP
> > -Installed SAMBA/SMBFS
> > -Configured the hard drive to spin down on idle
> > -Installed VNC
> > -Installed a web browser (Firefox)
> > -Installed a web server (thttpd)
> > -Installed Webmin
> > -Installed Java
> > -Installed a Bittorrent client
> > -Turned the Linkstation into an automated virtual TiVo
> > -Configured a VPN (Virtual Private Network)
> >
> > I'm working on configuring the Linkstation to control my UPS.
> > I can throw together a Wiki with tutorials (geared towards
> > newbies) on everything I've listed.

This looks great if you'd be willing to set all this up.  We can all
progress much faster with such an online tool.  It is also good to see
lots of progress with the MIPS based LS as well.

I can only hope that the Kurobox arm of the company is doing well.  It
is possible that the whole thing could go away without notice some
day!  We probably need to keep a backup of all the information just in
case.

--- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "Thom Mason"
<t.e.mason@c...> wrote:
> Why not just setup a Linkstation section on the Kuro wiki:
>
> http://www.kurobox.com/online/tiki-index.php?page=Welcome
>
> Buffalo provides the bandwidth and essentially ignores it.  However
> since the Kuro and Linkstation (Mk I) are essentially identical there
> is pretty  significant overlap in the information.

There are a few reasons I don't think it would be a good idea to use
the official Kuro Box wiki:

1.) Buffalo doesn't want people modifying the Linkstation like many of
us have. They don't want people "bricking" their Linkstation and then
returning it and they don't want to lose sales on the higher-priced
Kuro Box.

2.) I'm pretty sure none of us has administrative privileges so we
don't have much control over maintainence of the wiki.

3.) Like wartstew pointed out, Buffalo can yank the wiki at anytime
and without notification.

I'll try to complete a basic wiki within the next few days. Wartstew,
email me so we can coordinate on this. Since you're the one who helped
me and so many others get this far I think it's only right to make you
a co-administrator.

--- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "James Stewart"
<wartstew@y...> wrote:
> I can only hope that the Kurobox arm of the company is doing well.  It
> is possible that the whole thing could go away without notice some
> day!  We probably need to keep a backup of all the information just in
> case.
>
> --- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "Thom Mason"
> <t.e.mason@c...> wrote:
> > Why not just setup a Linkstation section on the Kuro wiki:
> >
> > http://www.kurobox.com/online/tiki-index.php?page=Welcome
> >
> > Buffalo provides the bandwidth and essentially ignores it.  However
> > since the Kuro and Linkstation (Mk I) are essentially identical there
> > is pretty  significant overlap in the information.

Does it matter what version of the Debian Woody distro we're using
since most (I would hope all) of us are upgrading to Debian Sid anyway?

--- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "James Stewart"
<wartstew@y...> wrote:
> --- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "cherrytreeproduction"
> <cherrytreeproduction@y...> wrote:
> > steps i have done already:
> >
> > i have downloaded the new tarball of debian from
> >   http://210.166.208.216/kuro-box/archive/
>
> Oh good.  I was wondering where people were getting what probably is a
> newer version from.  I guess we need to put the link in the "Links"
> section of the group.
>
> > i thought "where do i put the untared chroot-file?"
>
> Where ever you want, but it might make the "tar" command more
> complicated, for example: tar -zxf ../Shared/download/debian.tgz
>
> > but the only problem was, that i didnt know how to execute in linux
> > correctly...i tried
> >
> > >chroot /mnt/debian
> >
> > but i then i got
> >
> > >bash: chroot: command not found
> >
> > then i put the chroot-file in /mnt/debian and used it this way:
> >
> > > /mnt/debian/chroot /mnt/debian
>
> Actually I think the chroot command is in the debian distro. In your
> example it would be /mnt/debian/usr/sbin/chroot.  Alternatively what I
> did was copy the chroot command to the same place on the LS OS,
> (/usr/sbin) then chroot just works without the full pathname.
>
> > and it worked. so for linux novices it is unclear how to execute a
> > file...so plz include where to put the chroot file and how to
> > execute it.....then everything works...
>
> Great.  The program "aptitude" is a useful package browser.  If you
> can't find what you are looking for AND you haven't upgraded to
> "testing" or "unstable", then that is why.  "stable" is a rather small
> (and old) collection of software.  Read the "Upgrading" doc in the
> "Debian on Linkstation" section.
>
> Looks like you are doing good, keep going, I'm sure you will
> eventually find that it is well worth it.

I'm kind of new here, so apologise in advance if this is nonsense, but
I couldn't find any other posts on the topic, so here goes...

On my newly-purchased HD-250LAN (note, not HD-H250LAN, if that makes a
difference), the system info screen reports a firmware version 3.01.
Until now, I have only seen 1.x and 2.x mentioned (also on the Buffalo
website). I wondered if anyone knows anything about this...

Furthermore, since I understand that it's not possible to downgrade
from 2.x firmware to 1.x, I wondered if anyone succeeded in obtaining
root access with a particular 2.x firmware, since all the instructions
I see only refer to 1.44.

And on an unrelated sidenote, did anyone ever succeed in setting the
LinkStation to a particular AppleTalk zone? My entry for this is just
empty, and I don't see any way to set it...

Thanks for listening, Stuart.

For a HD-HLAN with firmware 2.x (MIPS CPU) there is a hacking howto in
the Links section which describes a way to get root access.
But the howto assumes you have an intel cpu based second pc so if you
only have a mac there could be a problem.

> Furthermore, since I understand that it's not possible to downgrade
> from 2.x firmware to 1.x, I wondered if anyone succeeded in obtaining
> root access with a particular 2.x firmware, since all the instructions
> I see only refer to 1.44.

As far as i have seen it is only possible to check if an installation
works if it doesnt interfere with any running services from the
original LinkstationOS, am i right?

i just played around and installed the same stuff that you installed
in your tutorial but i think i made a mistake, because everytime i
install something with

> apt-get install

i get a message that some errors occured (webmin and exim).
additionaly there is sometimes the message that /proc isnt mounted....

i recognized to late that i forgot to copy /proc from the original
installation to my chroot environment....do i have to begin again???

i mean....i will restart the installation anyway....but for the
future: are there ways to fix this errors?

Regards
Markus


--- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "cherrytreeproduction"
<cherrytreeproduction@y...> wrote:
> steps i have done already:
>
> i have downloaded the new tarball of debian from
>   http://210.166.208.216/kuro-box/archive/
>
> then i have copied it to /mnt/debian und untared it with
>
> >root@LINKSTATION:/mnt/debian# tar -zxf debian_2005_04_09_dist.tgz.gz
>
> i had one problem. i thought "where do i put the untared chroot-file?"
> but the only problem was, that i didnt know how to execute in linux
> correctly...i tried
>
> >chroot /mnt/debian
>
> but i then i got
>
> >bash: chroot: command not found
>
> then i put the chroot-file in /mnt/debian and used it this way:
>
> > /mnt/debian/chroot /mnt/debian
>
> and it worked. so for linux novices it is unclear how to execute a
> file...so plz include where to put the chroot file and how to execute
> it.....then everything works...
>
>
> i will install some software now :)
>
> i hope to get samba, ntp, ftp, bittorrent running today....
>
> regards
> markus
>
> --- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "James Stewart"
> <wartstew@y...> wrote:
> > --- In LinkStation_General@yahoogroups.com, "bmwbiker0569"
> > <bmwbiker@t...> wrote:
> > > Hello James Steward,
> > >
> > > can you tell me the pro's & cons's about running Debian in a
> > > "chroot"-Environment, and how to do this ?
> >
> > Basically you put a complete file system for some other Linux system
> > somewhere else on your hard drive.  For example when I was
> > test-driving Debian, I put it in /mnt/debian on my Linkstation,
> > which put it in a directory off /dev/hda3 where I had room for it.
> > (the typical command would be "tar -zxf <filename.tgz>"
> > from /mnt/debian)
> >
> > Then you use the chroot command that you can get from the files
> > section of this Yahoo group (which I got from the debian distro
> > itself) and run this:
> >
> > > chroot /mnt/debian
> >
> > So now "/mnt/debian" becomes your new root ("/"), so all new
> > commands, references to shared libraries, etc will come from
> > within /mnt/debian.
> >
> > One thing I found useful is to mount a new copy of /proc in this
> > debian file system because a lot of programs expect that it should
> > be there:
> >
> > > mount -t proc proc /proc
> >
> > So now your can do most anything as if you are really running
> > Debian, such as install new software, run services like vnc, ssh, a
> > bittorrent client, and other stuff as long as it doesn't conflict
> > with what is *still* running on your LS OS (like telnet, ftp, web
> > servers, etc).  The bad news is that as soon as you close down your
> > telnet session, all this stops.  There are ways to deal with this
> > but that is best for another discussion.
> >
> > Oh yea, to exit from your chroot environment, back to your LS,
> > simply do a ctrl-d.
> >
> > > I'm running Debian on a Linkstation@Kurobox with Samba. Some other
> > > Stuff will be "apt-get" in the future like Apache and some
> > > Backup-soft.
> >
> > So if you are already running Debian, the only advantage to doing
> > this chroot thing is to, once again, try out another Linux.  For
> > example, if you were hesitant about upgrading to "Sid" you can
> > simply copy your existing debian off somewhere:
> >
> > > cp -ax / /mnt/debian2
> >
> > then chroot into it, upgrade it and see if you like it.  You can
> > test drive the Gentoo distribution this way too, or finally you can
> > do a reverse of above where you boot into "Sid" but then keep a copy
> > of "Woody" around so that you can chroot into it and perpare
> > software that could be compatible with the original LS OS for all
> > your friends you left behind.