Hi Hal,

Yes, it is possible - although you will need to run windows with
bootcamp or parralels/Vmware fusion on your mac.

I am using Okino's Polytrans to convert CAD models to the .obj
format and load them into modo. Polytrans delivers great results
but needs windows to run.

here is a link to okinos website:

http://www.okino.com

Another solution maybe is right hemispheres Deep Exploration.
Needs windows to run too. But I can't comment on the quality
their converter delivers.

link:

http://www.righthemisphere.com

Hope that helps, though it's not a solution that runs on mac OS X.





greetings from germany,

Matthias Zellerhoff



Am 21.04.2008 um 22:59 schrieb Hal Silverman:

> Hello!
> How do I go about importing igs/iges files? Is it at all possible?
> I am running a mac.
> Thank you,
> Hal
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Most likely it is a permissions issue. Are you admin level on that
machine?

BP

On May 13, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Flávio Eduardo wrote:
> Sorry about last post.
>
>
>
> Again:
>
> http://www.modo3d.com.br/drop.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
> Can anybody help me?
>
> This window is shown when dragging the license.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Flavio Eduardo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
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Sorry about last post.



Again:

http://www.modo3d.com.br/drop.jpg





Can anybody help me?

This window is shown when dragging the license.

Thanks.



Flavio Eduardo







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello!
How do I go about importing igs/iges files? Is it at all possible?
I am running a mac.
Thank you,
Hal

drop.jpg





Can anybody help me?

This window is shown when dragging the license.

Thanks.



Flavio Eduardo







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You are so correct. One little extra bit of info is to make sure to
turn OFF Clamp Colors on the Final Color Output item in the Shader
tree. This way you get the full linear floating point data.

BP

On Apr 18, 2008, at 2:09 PM, Allen Bussell wrote:
> We like saving to hdr or exr.  Saving all of the color information
> these formats provide is very nice as there's so much control in post
> for adjustments that are not possible with 24 or 32 bit images.
>
> Am I right here Bob, Dan?
>
> Allen Bussell
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 18, 2008, at 13:18, Hal Silverman <hal@...>
> wrote:
>
>> I am a commercial photographer, and am integrating modo's
>> capabilities into my shooting. Knowing that I am not losing
>> information in the images is very useful to me.
>>
>> On Apr 18, 2008, at 12:36 PM, Bob Bennett wrote:
>>
>>> This is a good idea, it would be useful to also tag pixels in the
>>> actual render view with colors if they exceed maximum values.
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> Daniel Ablan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've never heard of a 3D application using a histogram...
>>>>
>>>> that's a great idea!
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 18, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Hal Silverman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello!
>>>>> I am very new to modo. Does anything exist, in the any of any
>>>>> windows, showing a histogram or any other information regarding
>>> tonal
>>>>> information at render time?
>>>>> I am running into some clipping issues with my renders. How do
>> you
>>>>> check highlight and shadow values?
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Hal
>>>>>
>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>
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>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Hal Silverman Studio, Inc.
>> 6511B Basile Rowe
>> East Syracuse, NY 13057
>>
>> p. 315.434.9121
>> f. 315.437.6196
>>
>> hal@...
>> www.silvermanstudio.com
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
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>
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>

We like saving to hdr or exr.  Saving all of the color information
these formats provide is very nice as there's so much control in post
for adjustments that are not possible with 24 or 32 bit images.

Am I right here Bob, Dan?

Allen Bussell
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 18, 2008, at 13:18, Hal Silverman <hal@...>
wrote:

> I am a commercial photographer, and am integrating modo's
> capabilities into my shooting. Knowing that I am not losing
> information in the images is very useful to me.
>
> On Apr 18, 2008, at 12:36 PM, Bob Bennett wrote:
>
> > This is a good idea, it would be useful to also tag pixels in the
> > actual render view with colors if they exceed maximum values.
> > Bob
> >
> > Daniel Ablan wrote:
> > >
> > > I've never heard of a 3D application using a histogram...
> > >
> > > that's a great idea!
> > >
> > > On Apr 18, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Hal Silverman wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello!
> > > > I am very new to modo. Does anything exist, in the any of any
> > > > windows, showing a histogram or any other information regarding
> > tonal
> > > > information at render time?
> > > > I am running into some clipping issues with my renders. How do
> you
> > > > check highlight and shadow values?
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Hal
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> Hal Silverman Studio, Inc.
> 6511B Basile Rowe
> East Syracuse, NY 13057
>
> p. 315.434.9121
> f. 315.437.6196
>
> hal@...
> www.silvermanstudio.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I am a commercial photographer, and am integrating modo's
capabilities into my shooting. Knowing that I am not losing
information in the images is very useful to me.

On Apr 18, 2008, at 12:36 PM, Bob Bennett wrote:

> This is a good idea, it would be useful to also tag pixels in the
> actual render view with colors if they exceed maximum values.
> Bob
>
> Daniel Ablan wrote:
> >
> > I've never heard of a 3D application using a histogram...
> >
> > that's a great idea!
> >
> > On Apr 18, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Hal Silverman wrote:
> >
> > > Hello!
> > > I am very new to modo. Does anything exist, in the any of any
> > > windows, showing a histogram or any other information regarding
> tonal
> > > information at render time?
> > > I am running into some clipping issues with my renders. How do you
> > > check highlight and shadow values?
> > > Regards,
> > > Hal
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

Hal Silverman Studio, Inc.
6511B Basile Rowe
East Syracuse, NY  13057

p. 315.434.9121
f. 315.437.6196

hal@...
www.silvermanstudio.com





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This is a good idea, it would be useful to also  tag pixels in the
actual render view with colors if they exceed maximum values.
Bob


Daniel Ablan wrote:
>
> I've never heard of a 3D application using a histogram...
>
> that's a great idea!
>
> On Apr 18, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Hal Silverman wrote:
>
> > Hello!
> > I am very new to modo. Does anything exist, in the any of any
> > windows, showing a histogram or any other information regarding tonal
> > information at render time?
> > I am running into some clipping issues with my renders. How do you
> > check highlight and shadow values?
> > Regards,
> > Hal
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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I've never heard of a 3D application using a histogram...

that's a great idea!

On Apr 18, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Hal Silverman wrote:

> Hello!
> I am very new to modo. Does anything exist, in the any of any
> windows, showing a histogram or any other information regarding tonal
> information at render time?
> I am running into some clipping issues with my renders. How do you
> check highlight and shadow values?
> Regards,
> Hal
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello!
I am very new to modo. Does anything exist, in the any of any
windows, showing a histogram or any other information regarding tonal
information at render time?
I am running into some clipping issues with my renders. How do you
check highlight and shadow values?
Regards,
Hal







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Thank you all for such quick responses. It seems that raising the
irradiance rate from 2.5 to 10 really helped. Although there may be
some loss of detail, most of the detail I have in this shot comes from
the image projections on the piece, which were not really sacrificed,
so there is still plenty of detail left for my purposes. my render
time is now just over 6 minutes! Thanks again!

-Greg

On Apr 17, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Ringo Monfort wrote:

> I agree with Patrick, 15 minutes is very fast for the kind of setting
> you have.
>
> Ringo
>
> Patrick Tuten wrote:
> >
> > That seems pretty quick to me considering what you're asking it to
> do.
> >
> > --- In Luxology@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Luxology%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Greg Annicchiarico <annacchi@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Hoping someone out there could help me out with this issue. I
> > > have a product shot I'm rendering out (running Modo 302 on a 2 GHZ
> > > Core 2 Duo Mac Mini with 2 Gigs of ram). I have Global
> Illumination
> > > and Radiance Caching turned on (256 Irradiance Rays). I also
> have one
> > > directional light with a 3º spread angle. The floor plane has 20%
> > > reflectivity with Blurry Reflections turned on and 64 Reflection
> Rays.
> > > This is a 2200x1700 pixel image (8.5" x 11" @ 200 DPI). The
> picture
> > > looks like a photograph.
> > >
> > > MY PROBLEM (finally)
> > >
> > > This image is taking about 15 minutes to render and I know Modo
> 302 is
> > > capable of a faster render time. I just don't know what settings
> I can
> > > adjust without losing quality. Any help? Thanks in advance!
> > >
> > > -Greg
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
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>
>



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I agree with Patrick, 15 minutes is very fast for the kind of setting
you have.

Ringo



Patrick Tuten wrote:
>
> That seems pretty quick to me considering what you're asking it to do.
>
> --- In Luxology@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Luxology%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Greg Annicchiarico <annacchi@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Hoping someone out there could help me out with this issue. I
> > have a product shot I'm rendering out (running Modo 302 on a 2 GHZ
> > Core 2 Duo Mac Mini with 2 Gigs of ram). I have Global Illumination
> > and Radiance Caching turned on (256 Irradiance Rays). I also have one
> > directional light with a 3º spread angle. The floor plane has 20%
> > reflectivity with Blurry Reflections turned on and 64 Reflection Rays.
> > This is a 2200x1700 pixel image (8.5" x 11" @ 200 DPI). The picture
> > looks like a photograph.
> >
> > MY PROBLEM (finally)
> >
> > This image is taking about 15 minutes to render and I know Modo 302 is
> > capable of a faster render time. I just don't know what settings I can
> > adjust without losing quality. Any help? Thanks in advance!
> >
> > -Greg
> >
>
>
>
> __________ NOD32 3033 (20080417) Information __________
>
> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
> http://www.eset.com

Hi Greg,

you can try increasing the irradiance rate to a value about 5 to 10.
This could speed things up, but at the expense of loosing detail.
The irradiance rate is a pixel based value, so increasing the value
results in faster render times. The default is 2.5 for an image of 640
by 480
pixels.

hope that helps.

Greetings from germany,

Matthias

Am 16.04.2008 um 18:52 schrieb Greg Annicchiarico:
> Hello all,
>
>      Hoping someone out there could help me out with this issue. I
> have a product shot I'm rendering out (running Modo 302 on a 2 GHZ
> Core 2 Duo Mac Mini with 2 Gigs of ram). I have Global Illumination
> and Radiance Caching turned on (256 Irradiance Rays). I also have one
> directional light with a 3º spread angle. The floor plane has 20%
> reflectivity with Blurry Reflections turned on and 64 Reflection Rays.
> This is a 2200x1700 pixel image (8.5" x 11" @ 200 DPI). The picture
> looks like a photograph.
>
> MY PROBLEM (finally)
>
> This image is taking about 15 minutes to render and I know Modo 302 is
> capable of a faster render time. I just don't know what settings I can
> adjust without losing quality. Any help? Thanks in advance!
>
> -Greg
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

That seems pretty quick to me considering what you're asking it to do.

--- In Luxology@yahoogroups.com, Greg Annicchiarico <annacchi@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
>       Hoping someone out there could help me out with this issue. I
> have a product shot I'm rendering out (running Modo 302 on a 2 GHZ
> Core 2 Duo Mac Mini with 2 Gigs of ram). I have Global Illumination
> and Radiance Caching turned on (256 Irradiance Rays). I also have one
> directional light with a 3º spread angle. The floor plane has 20%
> reflectivity with Blurry Reflections turned on and 64 Reflection Rays.
> This is a 2200x1700 pixel image (8.5" x 11" @ 200 DPI). The picture
> looks like a photograph.
>
> MY PROBLEM (finally)
>
> This image is taking about 15 minutes to render and I know Modo 302 is
> capable of a faster render time. I just don't know what settings I can
> adjust without losing quality. Any help? Thanks in advance!
>
> -Greg
>

Hello all,

       Hoping someone out there could help me out with this issue. I
have a product shot I'm rendering out (running Modo 302 on a 2 GHZ
Core 2 Duo Mac Mini with 2 Gigs of ram). I have Global Illumination
and Radiance Caching turned on (256 Irradiance Rays). I also have one
directional light with a 3º spread angle. The floor plane has 20%
reflectivity with Blurry Reflections turned on and 64 Reflection Rays.
This is a 2200x1700 pixel image (8.5" x 11" @ 200 DPI). The picture
looks like a photograph.

MY PROBLEM (finally)

This image is taking about 15 minutes to render and I know Modo 302 is
capable of a faster render time. I just don't know what settings I can
adjust without losing quality. Any help? Thanks in advance!

-Greg

Hal-

Depending on your needs, using the Solid Sketch tool or even the Tube
tool with a material that has some transparency might be a good starting
point.

Hal Silverman wrote:
>
> Hello!
> I am new to modo, and have hit a bit of a stumbling block.
> I am attempting to create some text with a toothpaste gel
> (green/cyan translucent) look. As if some spelled out a word while
> squeezing the tube.
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> Regards,
> Hal
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello!
I am new to modo, and have hit a bit of a stumbling block.
I am attempting to create some text with a toothpaste gel
(green/cyan translucent) look. As if some spelled out a word while
squeezing the tube.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Hal






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Hadi-

Idea: Try turning off VBO's via the utility that nVidia supplies for
configuring the driver....

Bob

On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Hadi <mymailinglists@...> wrote:

>   I Have 2GB of Ram. My windows has the latest updates from MS.
> Bob: I don't have enough time to go to Preferences > Display > Open GL
> menu!!! Only 3~5 seconds... and MODO freezes.
> and I've already deleted the config file, and restart the app. still
> freezing...
> Is it possible that modo 301 has some issues with the latest nVidia
> driver?
> I have installed it in my notebook, for testing. it works perfectly fine
> on my dell notebook with ATI X1400.
>
> Hadi Sharghi
> hsharghi@... <hsharghi%40esoftworks.net> <mailto:
> hsharghi@... <hsharghi%40esoftworks.net>>
> www.esoftworks.net <http://www.esoftworks.net>
>
> ------------------
> Get Thunderbird <http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/>
>
> Bob Bennett wrote:
> >
> > Another idea:
> >
> > Turn off your VBO's...
> >
> > Like this:
> >
> > Preferences > Display > Open GL > VBO Mode set to OFF
> >
> >
> >
> > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
> > signature database 2967 (20080321) __________
> >
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> >
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>
>
>


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Are you sure you've un-installed any other display driver?  I've had issues with
a new card when I've not un-installed the display that came installed on my
motherboard.

You could also try non-standard Nvidia drivers, at your own risk-
http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/  I've used one from here with success, but for
unrelated purposes. [back up your original!]

Also, try disabling hardware acceleration in dxdiag (start/run/dxdiag) -  that
might buy you time to get to VBO Mode settings, then turn it back on-- (total
guesswork here)

It's been some time since you've been running- I wish you luck!

Chris



Subject: Re: [Luxology] Re: modo 301 freezing

                 I Have 2GB of Ram. My windows has the latest updates from MS.
Bob: I don't have enough time to go to Preferences > Display > Open GL
menu!!! Only 3~5 seconds... and MODO freezes.
and I've already deleted the config file, and restart the app. still
freezing...
Is it possible that modo 301 has some issues with the latest nVidia driver?
I have installed it in my notebook, for testing. it works perfectly fine
on my dell notebook with ATI X1400.

Hadi Sharghi
hsharghi@esoftworks .net <mailto:hsharghi@esoftworks .net>
www.esoftworks. net <http://www.esoftwor ks.net>

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Bob Bennett wrote:
>
> Another idea:
>
> Turn off your VBO's...
>
> Like this:
>
> Preferences > Display > Open GL > VBO Mode set to OFF
>
>
>
> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
> signature database 2967 (20080321) __________
>
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>
> http://www.eset. com




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Dear pros,

I've never used any Luxology softwares before. Trying to get into it
to model some interiors. Please could I get any advise how can I set
my layout to start using Modo?

Many thanks
Modo virgin

I Have 2GB of Ram. My windows has the latest updates from MS.
Bob: I don't have enough time to go to Preferences > Display > Open GL
menu!!! Only 3~5 seconds... and MODO freezes.
and I've already deleted the config file, and restart the app. still
freezing...
Is it possible that modo 301 has some issues with the latest nVidia driver?
I have installed it in my notebook, for testing. it works perfectly fine
on my dell notebook with ATI X1400.


Hadi Sharghi
hsharghi@... <mailto:hsharghi@...>
www.esoftworks.net <http://www.esoftworks.net>




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Bob Bennett wrote:
>
> Another idea:
>
> Turn off your VBO's...
>
> Like this:
>
> Preferences > Display > Open GL > VBO Mode set to OFF
>
>
>
> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
> signature database 2967 (20080321) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>
> http://www.eset.com

Another idea:

Turn off your VBO's...

Like this:


Preferences > Display > Open GL > VBO Mode  set to OFF

How much RAM is installed on your system, and is Windows completely up
to date (as far as patches and such)?

On Mar 21, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Hadi wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have installed modo 301, but every time, 3~4 seconds after starting
> the application, it froze.
> I have installed the latest nVidia drivers for my GeForce 8600 GT,
> 256MB. Windows XP SP2.
> any Idea how to fix this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hadi
>
>



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I have not heard of this before.

I assume you have re-booted to clear out any gremlins.

Deleting the modo301.cfg file may help.

I wonder cOuld this be an out of memory condition on your system.

Bob

I work for Luxology and can speak for Brad on this one.  We are doing
everything we can to ship before the end of this month, March.  It is a
free update for all modo 301 users.  There is some information on
upcoming features at luxology.tv now.    modo 302 is a very nice
improvement to modo and we are anxious to get it out to the community.

Bob

Greg Annicchiarico wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I apologize to Mr. Peebler in advance if he's been bombarded
> with this question, but is there any more information about a specific
> release date for Modo 302? I know the projected timeframe was by the
> end of the first quarter of '08, I would just like to know if there
> was anything more specific. I'm very eagerly awaiting it's arrival.
> Thanks.
>
> -Greg
>
>


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Hi,

I have installed modo 301, but every time, 3~4 seconds after starting
the application, it froze.
I have installed the latest nVidia drivers for my GeForce 8600 GT,
256MB. Windows XP SP2.
any Idea how to fix this?

Thanks,

Hadi

Hello all,

       I apologize to Mr. Peebler in advance if he's been bombarded
with this question, but is there any more information about a specific
release date for Modo 302? I know the projected timeframe was by the
end of the first quarter of '08, I would just like to know if there
was anything more specific. I'm very eagerly awaiting it's arrival.
Thanks.

-Greg

And you are correct, Sir. ;)
BP

On 2/28/08, Alexander <vialevy@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Brad,
>   I really appreciate it. I've been telling everyone
> that one of the biggest differences between MODO and
> Maya is the community that surrounds it and the close
> loop connecting users to developers.
>
> Best wishes,
>   Alexander
>
>
> --- Brad Peebler <brad@...> wrote:
>
> > First you should do a config Export to save out the
> > portions of the
> > config you want to use. Then you can import those
> > config chunks. This
> > is a much cleaner way to manage configs.
> >
> > BP
> >
> > On Feb 26, 2008, at 10:34 PM, Alexander wrote:
> >
> > > Hey everyone,
> > > I'm loving MODO, especially the ability to
> > customize
> > > all the various commands. I've spent probably 20+
> > > hours customizing and linking scripts on the PC
> > side
> > > and now I'd like to use the PC config file on the
> > Mac
> > > side of things. Has anyone had any luck with this?
> > > I've tried
> > > File>Import:MODO201.CFG
> > > but nothing changes. Not sure which directory to
> > place
> > > this puppy in either.
> > >
> > > Any help would be much appreciated!
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Alexander
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Thanks Brad,
  I really appreciate it. I've been telling everyone
that one of the biggest differences between MODO and
Maya is the community that surrounds it and the close
loop connecting users to developers.

Best wishes,
  Alexander

--- Brad Peebler <brad@...> wrote:

> First you should do a config Export to save out the
> portions of the
> config you want to use. Then you can import those
> config chunks. This
> is a much cleaner way to manage configs.
>
> BP
>
> On Feb 26, 2008, at 10:34 PM, Alexander wrote:
>
> > Hey everyone,
> > I'm loving MODO, especially the ability to
> customize
> > all the various commands. I've spent probably 20+
> > hours customizing and linking scripts on the PC
> side
> > and now I'd like to use the PC config file on the
> Mac
> > side of things. Has anyone had any luck with this?
> > I've tried
> > File>Import:MODO201.CFG
> > but nothing changes. Not sure which directory to
> place
> > this puppy in either.
> >
> > Any help would be much appreciated!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Alexander
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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