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Re: help needed for MEG tuning

In looking at your output waveforms, it appears that your MEG is still a "Biased
transformer". Note the skewed output waveform. Try changing the input frequency/
voltage so that the output is a perfect sinewave. (believe me, that's the
trick!) Only then is
the output a result of only switching the flux of your magnet. Right now, the
primary is
producing external flux and that flux is intercepting the secondaries. The MEG
has become
a transformer (like the rest of us) with a COP<1

> Hi, it's me again,
>
> I have some updates and some graphics. Theses graphics show one of my
> biggest challenge into understanding and making work the MEG.
>
> This one:
> http://cf.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ccool_j/
detail?.dir=cdf7re2&.dnm=7824re2.jpg&.src=ph
>
> is a graph of the voltage at the entry of my Coils. The graph is
> "inverted" because when the tension is zero, it means that there is
> some current going in. If you refer to JL Nadin's design, I am
> reading the tension between the Fets and the input coils. As you can
> see in this picture, there is a lot of resonnating freqencies in
> there. On the graph, I have chosen a frequency that minimises the
> effects. Well at least the "first big peak" of the high frequency in
> there. I was wondering if any of you observed phenomenon like these
> on their MEG or mine just has too many parasites
> (capacitorS/inductors/resistors)
>
> By the way, the reason why the tension goes on the minus side is
> because I added a protecting diode to bloc the current and protec my
> Fets. But even without this protective diode I still have the
> resonnating effect.
>
> Also, on this graph:
> http://cf.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ccool_j/
detail?.dir=cdf7re2&.dnm=5edfre2.jpg&.src=ph
>
> You can see both of my output (tension divided by 6 with a 66kohm
> total resistor)
>
> I have been trying to figure out what is causing that "bump" on the
> sinus wave. If you look carefully, you can see it is only on the
> "upper" side of the graphic. If I push up the frequency, I can
> diminish the bump-effect, but my COP is going down very fast... That's
> why I was wondering if anyonw had this effect or could explain (or
> give a good hint)
>
> This graph is kind of giving me an idea,
> http://cf.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ccool_j/
detail?.dir=cdf7re2&.dnm=d250re2.jpg&.src=ph
>
> It is a graph showing the entry (1) with the output (1). As you can
> see, there is a phase between the output and input, which is leading
> me to think that the bump and the high frencies mentionned before are
> linked somehow...
>
> I know this mail is getting long, that's why I won't talk right now
> about the other aspect of COP based on average DC current vs RMS
> current. (curious peaple can look into the other pictures in this album)
>
> Thank you for reading and commenting. I really like to read you
> comments. I've read a lot of previous message now, it is very
> instructing.
>
> Ccool
>










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Hello guys, I'm new to this group, but it seems that some of you have some experience with the MEG, so that's why I'm posting here the details of my...
ccool_j
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Apr 20, 2006
4:49 am

... Have you tried lower pulse width with a deadtime in betwwen? Say something like 2 x 40% with 10% OFF. Mark Jordan...
Mark Jordan
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Apr 20, 2006
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No. Never tried....
Mark Jordan
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Apr 21, 2006
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I have'nt tried either... As far as I know about the meg, what is important is to get fast switching. Faster you go, the better it should be (as said in the ...
ccool_j
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Apr 26, 2006
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No, because my meg was started as a project with some high school kids last year... we got it built and just started testing and the school year ended. By then...
Brent Selleck
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Apr 22, 2006
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... the real ... Bearden told ... but the ... beyond the ... secondaries was ... the key ... the core ... errant ... it's so ... Thank you for your insight on...
ccool_j
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Apr 26, 2006
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... As the core goes into saturation, the field will be less contained in it, so if good things happen when saturation occurs, it refutes the idea that high...
ey930
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May 5, 2006
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Hi, it's me again, I have some updates and some graphics. Theses graphics show one of my biggest challenge into understanding and making work the MEG. This...
ccool_j
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Apr 26, 2006
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In looking at your output waveforms, it appears that your MEG is still a "Biased transformer". Note the skewed output waveform. Try changing the input...
Norm Fletcher
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Jun 4, 2006
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You point out one the more interesting aspects to all of this... the ability to measure what's really going on... I sell robotic lawn mowers that use a ...
Brent Selleck
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On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 05:56:48 -0000 "Norm Fletcher" <fletchmo47@...> wrote ... I have 2 comments, for which I hope to see a reply: Since the core is...
Wayne Robey
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Jun 8, 2006
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... secondary on it's leg. You can see this clearly in old TV fly-back transformers. Could this secondary resonance be what you are tuning for? OK Let me see...
Norm Fletcher
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Very well said.... and I await your results eagerly... ... From: "Norm Fletcher" <fletchmo47@...> To: <MEG_builders@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday,...
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