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   o Designer
   o Developer
   o Programmer
   o Owner
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A CMS is one of the trickiest things to deal with - especially if you
care about the code, accessibility and usability (of both the system
and what it exports).

Using weblog tools like MT, TextPattern, WordPress, etc... are great
but require a lot of messing with if you want to offer it as a true
CMS instead of a blog. I've personally used MT for quite a few sites
and it works great but not for everything.


A few things to read:
------------------------------------------------

Making A Better Open Source CMS
http://www.veen.com/jeff/archives/000622.html

Designer CMS on Rails
http://superfluousbanter.org/archives/2005/06/designer_cms_on.php

CMS Watch:
CMS Watch™ is an independent source of analysis and reports on
content management, records management, and enterprise search solutions.
http://www.cmswatch.com/

CMS Matrix (a great site)
http://www.cmsmatrix.org/

Open Source CMS:
http://www.opensourcecms.com/


---------------------------------
Aaron Schaap
phone: 616-566-1423
www.theparagon.org (personal)
www.elevatorup.com (business)


On Jun 29, 2005, at 12:39 PM, James Stewart wrote:

> On Jun 29, 2005, at 10:20 AM, chris_joseph_l wrote:
> > I'm just trying to manage my own website and use it to easily
> > update my portfolio (which includes images and text).
> >
> > My only prerequisites is that it should be free and open source.
> >
> > I notice you used moveable type.
>
> I use movable type for my personal blog, and wordpress for my work
> blog. Most of the rest of my work site is hand-coded/managed as it
> has yet to grow to a size where I feel the need for a CMS. I like
> them both, and on a user-level don't really have a preference. MT is
> rather better designed under-the-hood and its plugin architecture is
> fantastic.
>
> I haven't yet found a high-powered CMS that I'm fully happy with and
> (like so many others) tend to code my own. My current framework isn't
> really ready to be shared.
>
> James.
>
> --
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> Play: http://james.anthropiccollective.org
> Work: http://jystewart.net
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On Jun 29, 2005, at 10:20 AM, chris_joseph_l wrote:
> I'm just trying to manage my own website and use it to easily
> update my portfolio (which includes images and text).
>
> My only prerequisites is that it should be free and open source.
>
> I notice you used moveable type.

I use movable type for my personal blog, and wordpress for my work
blog. Most of the rest of my work site is hand-coded/managed as it
has yet to grow to a size where I feel the need for a CMS. I like
them both, and on a user-level don't really have a preference. MT is
rather better designed under-the-hood and its plugin architecture is
fantastic.

I haven't yet found a high-powered CMS that I'm fully happy with and
(like so many others) tend to code my own. My current framework isn't
really ready to be shared.

James.

--
James Stewart
Play: http://james.anthropiccollective.org
Work: http://jystewart.net

James,

I'm just trying to manage my own website and use it to easily update
my portfolio (which includes images and text).

My only prerequisites is that it should be free and open source.

I notice you used moveable type.

-Chris


--- In MIPA_NET@yahoogroups.com, James Stewart <lists@j...> wrote:
> On Jun 25, 2005, at 3:05 AM, chris_joseph_l wrote:
> > Anyone have a favorite Content Management System product they use?
>
> It varies massively depending on the project. What sort of content
> are you looking to manage?
>
> James.
> --
> James Stewart
> Play: http://james.anthropiccollective.org
> Work: http://jystewart.net

Some additional sore points come up if the content providers are used to
having full access to the page source.  It can be difficult to explain to
someone why they're using Contribute if they've always used Dreamweaver
before.  The answer usually comes down to "I don't want you screwing around
with the navigation" or "I don't want to let you add ridiculous amounts of
Flash or giant images where they don't belong" but that's not something the
client usually wants to hear.


Clark Rasmussen
cjr@...


-----Original Message-----
Message: 19
    Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:33:03 -0400
    From: Pete Maziak <maziak@...>
Subject: Re: CMS solution?

I have about 10 content providers happily using Macromedia Contribute.
Sore points are replacing/editing PDF and DOC files.


chris_joseph_l wrote:

> Anyone have a favorite Content Management System product they use?
>
> I'm trying to figure out the ins and outs of textpattern right
> now.
>
> -chris

I am hearing from several people that they are not recieving messages
from the group if they are signed up for daily digest. Is this true
for everyone? Or are there some of you that are actually getting the
email? Thanks!

--Audrey

I have heard from two people that signed up for their email to come
from the group in a daily digest form that they are not getting any
email. Is there anyone that is actually recieving the daily digest
right now? Thanks.

-Audrey

On Jun 25, 2005, at 3:05 AM, chris_joseph_l wrote:
> Anyone have a favorite Content Management System product they use?

It varies massively depending on the project. What sort of content
are you looking to manage?

James.
--
James Stewart
Play: http://james.anthropiccollective.org
Work: http://jystewart.net

I also use Macromedia Contribute. You can download a free 45 day trial
on the macromedia website, and it's around 150 for the software. But
it's nice because you can then charge the client for a simple training
session if needed. I've also typed up a simple tutorial which I give
to clients when they purchase it.


--- In MIPA_NET@yahoogroups.com, "chris_joseph_l" <chrisjl@g...> wrote:
> Anyone have a favorite Content Management System product they use?
>
> I'm trying to figure out the ins and outs of textpattern right
> now.
>
> -chris

I also use Macromedia Contribute. You can download a free 45 day trial
on the macromedia website, and it's around 150 for the software. But
it's nice because you can then charge the client for a simple training
session if needed. I've also typed up a simple tutorial which I give
to clients when they purchase it.


--- In MIPA_NET@yahoogroups.com, "chris_joseph_l" <chrisjl@g...> wrote:
> Anyone have a favorite Content Management System product they use?
>
> I'm trying to figure out the ins and outs of textpattern right
> now.
>
> -chris

Anyone have a favorite Content Management System product they use?

I'm trying to figure out the ins and outs of textpattern right
now.

-chris

--- In MIPA_NET@yahoogroups.com, "Audrey" <walkerau@m...> wrote:
> Hey all. I'm looking for some good resources to stay up to date on
> current New Media/Web/Internet issues. Could anyone recommend any
> publications, sites, etc.? Thanks!

www.alistapart.com
www.css-discuss.org
www.digital-web.com

Anyone have a favorite Content Management System product they use?

I'm trying to figure out the ins and outs of textpattern right
now.

-chris

Here is another grouping of links.

http://www.dezwozhere.com/links.html


---------------------------------
Aaron Schaap
phone: 616-566-1423
www.theparagon.org (personal)
www.elevatorup.com (business)


On Jun 24, 2005, at 3:24 PM, Peter Maziak wrote:

> Hi all.  I just joined.  And just today happened to put up a list of
> some basic resources that most of you will be familiar with:
> http://www.maziak.com/resources.html  (many of these sites are setup
> with news--typically in the form of a blog on the homepage)
>
> What big ones did I miss?
>
> -Pete
>
>
>
> --
> Peter L. Maziak
> Manager, Comm Tech Lab, http://commtechlab.msu.edu
> Web Manager, Comm Arts & Sci, http://cas.msu.edu
> Adjunct Instructor, TC Dept, http://tc.msu.edu
> Email: maziak@...
> Voice: 517.353.5497
> Fax: 517.353.5498
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Hi all.  I just joined.  And just today happened to put up a list of
some basic resources that most of you will be familiar with:
http://www.maziak.com/resources.html  (many of these sites are setup
with news--typically in the form of a blog on the homepage)

What big ones did I miss?

-Pete



--
Peter L. Maziak
Manager, Comm Tech Lab, http://commtechlab.msu.edu
Web Manager, Comm Arts & Sci, http://cas.msu.edu
Adjunct Instructor, TC Dept, http://tc.msu.edu
Email: maziak@...
Voice: 517.353.5497
Fax: 517.353.5498

Hey all. I'm looking for some good resources to stay up to date on
current New Media/Web/Internet issues. Could anyone recommend any
publications, sites, etc.? Thanks!

On Jun 22, 2005, at 9:23 AM, Audrey wrote:
> I'm working on a site where the client wants a quiz/rating system,
> which I created with values associated to radial buttons. And when
> you hit submit, the chosen values are totaled, and appear on the
> next page with a brief summary. I've created this using PHP, but
> now the client wants the total and summary to display on the same
> page as the quiz. I'm just learning PHP, so not quite sure if this
> is possible, or how it would be possible. Any ideas?

Do you have to use PHP for this? If you're working within one page it
would seem like javascript would be most appropriate. You may want to
have a fallback for non-JS users, but they're few and far between
these days, particularly for something of that sort.

If you were happy to use javascript but still wanted PHP doing the
calculations you could use XMLHttpRequest to have javascript call a
PHP script to do the processing and return results, but that's
probably overly complex.

James.

--
James Stewart
Play: http://james.anthropiccollective.org
Work: http://jystewart.net

-----Original Message-----
From: MIPA_NET@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MIPA_NET@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Aaron Schaap
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 1:03 PM
To: MIPA_NET@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MIPA_NET] PHP Question
Importance: Low

I would say to write your results to a MySQL database and pull the 
results on the start page. When they click submit and go to the next 
page, it updates the records and each page is updated as they are 
both looking at the same data.

You could also do this by writing to text files but would limit you 
for future growth.

Hope that helps.

---------------------------------
Aaron Schaap
phone: 616-566-1423
www.theparagon.org (personal)
www.elevatorup.com (business)


On Jun 22, 2005, at 9:23 AM, Audrey wrote:

> I'm working on a site where the client wants a quiz/rating system,
> which I created with values associated to radial buttons. And when you
> hit submit, the chosen values are totaled, and appear on the next page
> with a brief summary. I've created this using PHP, but now the client
> wants the total and summary to display on the same page as the quiz.
> I'm just learning PHP, so not quite sure if this is possible, or how
> it would be possible. Any ideas?
>
> This leads me to my next question. Anyone know of any good resources
> for PHP courses? Books would be okay, but I learn better in a
> classroom setting. Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
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Hello!

I just want to say hello to everyone, and introduce myself.  My name
is Merlee and I am a web/literature designer in Grand Rapids.  I am
working towards building up a freelance business while also working
full-time.  At some point, I would like to be doing my own business
full-time.

I am a member of a couple of other list-servs that are general topic,
but this is the first that is technical specific.  I am looking
forward to some good networking opportunities as well as a great
source for tips, help and shared resources.

Cheers!
Merlee
www.merleedesigns.com
merlee@...

--- In MIPA_NET@yahoogroups.com, "Audrey" <walkerau@m...> wrote:
> I'm working on a site where the client wants a quiz/rating system,
> which I created with values associated to radial buttons. And when you
> hit submit, the chosen values are totaled, and appear on the next page
> with a brief summary. I've created this using PHP, but now the client
> wants the total and summary to display on the same page as the quiz.
> I'm just learning PHP, so not quite sure if this is possible, or how
> it would be possible. Any ideas?
>
> This leads me to my next question. Anyone know of any good resources
> for PHP courses? Books would be okay, but I learn better in a
> classroom setting. Thanks!

It shouldn't be too bad. I suggest you do the following:

Find an already existing php script
(http://www.scriptsbank.com/PHP_Scripts/Tests_and_Quizzes/)

It is possible to do with php.

Development Manager
BBK Studio
Grand Rapids, MI
www.bbkstudio.com

Seeking a professional and technically savvy individual with a strong
business sense. Management skills, entrepreneurial aspirations, and an
ability to inspire a team are highly desired. This position is
responsible for managing a web production team and helping to shape
the strategic direction of the Development business unit. Tracking
project status, working on client projects, overseeing production
work, developing and executing GUI quality assurance standards. Must
be detail oriented, have logic and organizational skills, and a broad
understanding of the web and associated technologies. Development
manager works in teams with interface designers, site developers, site
producers, art directors, and technical directors.

Candidates must have:

- Excellent written and oral communication skills; ability to interact
with clients.
- Ability to manage multiple projects simultaneously and flexibility
to work (hands-on) with many different technologies.
- Background and interest in UI design and usability.
- A conceptual understanding of client/server architecture and varied
technical background. Experience with CSS, DHTML, XML, Javascript,
Perl, general client/server architecture, Unix, relational databases
(MySQL, Oracle, SQL server), Domino, Apache, IIS, Notes.
- Familiarity with JSP, ASP, ASP.net, and PHP.
- Must have strong written and verbal communication skills, an ability
to work in teams, an aptitude for learning new technologies, and a
willingness to take on new challenges.
- Bachelors or Masters degree in a related field plus 5 years working
experience in a professional environment.

Web Developer
BBK Studio
Grand Rapids, MI
www.bbkstudio.com

Seeking motivated and professional individual for web site production.
This position is responsible for technical development and support to
the web team as required throughout the various stages of the design
process. High proficiency is front end technology is required;
experience with back end technology desired.

Web developers work in teams with interface designers, producers, art
directors, and technical directors. Graphics experience desirable but
this is not a visual design position.

Candidates must have:

- Extreme proficiency in CSS. Proficient in 1-2 of the following:
HTML, DHTML, XML, and Javascript implementation. Experience designing
and using 1-2 of the following relational databases: MySQL, Oracle,
SQL server.
- Familiarity with JSP, ASP, ASP.net, and PHP is useful in this role.
- Multiple platform experience desirable. Working knowledge of web
servers (Unix, NT, Domino, Apache, IIS).
- Aptitude for learning new technologies and a willingness to take on
new challenges.
- Flexibility to work with many different technologies.
- Excellent team and communication skills and interest in
participating in a dynamic, creative environment.
- Bachelors degree highly desired plus 2-4 years experience in web
site development.

I would say to write your results to a MySQL database and pull the
results on the start page. When they click submit and go to the next
page, it updates the records and each page is updated as they are
both looking at the same data.

You could also do this by writing to text files but would limit you
for future growth.

Hope that helps.

---------------------------------
Aaron Schaap
phone: 616-566-1423
www.theparagon.org (personal)
www.elevatorup.com (business)


On Jun 22, 2005, at 9:23 AM, Audrey wrote:

> I'm working on a site where the client wants a quiz/rating system,
> which I created with values associated to radial buttons. And when you
> hit submit, the chosen values are totaled, and appear on the next page
> with a brief summary. I've created this using PHP, but now the client
> wants the total and summary to display on the same page as the quiz.
> I'm just learning PHP, so not quite sure if this is possible, or how
> it would be possible. Any ideas?
>
> This leads me to my next question. Anyone know of any good resources
> for PHP courses? Books would be okay, but I learn better in a
> classroom setting. Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MIPA_NET/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> MIPA_NET-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>

I'm working on a site where the client wants a quiz/rating system,
which I created with values associated to radial buttons. And when you
hit submit, the chosen values are totaled, and appear on the next page
with a brief summary. I've created this using PHP, but now the client
wants the total and summary to display on the same page as the quiz.
I'm just learning PHP, so not quite sure if this is possible, or how
it would be possible. Any ideas?

This leads me to my next question. Anyone know of any good resources
for PHP courses? Books would be okay, but I learn better in a
classroom setting. Thanks!

Group Creative Director

Description:
Organic, one of the leading interactive design firms in the US, is
currently looking for an extraordinary creative leader for our
Bloomfield Hills, MI office. This creative leader will lead a large
interactive creative team on projects like Jeep.com, Chrysler.com
and Dodge.com.

The group creative director is primarily responsible for leading
creative strategy and vision within an individual business unit.
They actively participate in, and are responsible for, the business
unit management team, as well as global Creative Director Council.
The group creative director is responsible for the operations and
execution of the Creative Department and for overseeing development
of Creative Department process, methodology, deliverables and
budget. They are also responsible for recruiting, managing and
grooming creative senior managers, and lead the department to
creative solutions that fulfill client objectives and Organic
company and creative vision. They facilitate working groups through
their strong interpersonal, mentoring, and team-building skills.

The ideal candidate will have experience as at least a Senior
Creative Director level in a large agency, extensive interactive
design experience, and automotive experience.


Date Posted:
6/21/2005

Job Location:
Organic Inc.
2600 Telegraph Road, Suite 100
Bloomfiled Hills, MI 48302

Requested
Online Materials:
Portfolio

Contact:
Organic Inc.
Darren Bagnall

Web Graphics Intern

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looking for 2 web graphics interns to develop web styles for
upcoming software release.

Experimental creative ideas welcome, ideal position for budding web
designer looking to polish skills and sharpen portfolio with real
world applications

e-mail samples and resumes to jobs@...

Programmer 'WANTED' for Internet Company

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Looking for skilled programmer who would be interested in FULL-TIME,
PART-TIME, or INTERNSHIP. Must have a solid understanding of the
internet, programming in multiple computer languages (C++, ASP,
VORTEX, etc...), and have the skills to learn new and interesting
tasks. This position would be for an Internet Company
(Boardreader.com) a Message Board/Blog search engine. Please contact
through email only. You may also reply to jobs@....













Job location is Troy, Michigan

Welcome all to the MIPA - Michigan Internet Professionals Association
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