Oh WOW! I just learned something totally and completely new!

I thought the disappearing controls were a bug and have gone way out of my
way to get around this issue in the past. Now that I know it's a feature I
can use it in my design "sales pitches" :) "No you see, it's supposed to do
that. It helps maintain data normalization by totally locking users out of
modifying data via form controls"

In all seriousness thank you for that insight John.

Jesse

On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 3:10 PM, John Viescas <JohnV@...> wrote:

>
>
> Terence-
>
> Sorry, but that's the way Access has always worked. When you filter a form
> that cannot add records so that it has no records, all the controls
> disappear. It's a "feature," not a bug.
>
> John Viescas, author
> Microsoft Office Access 2007 Inside Out
> Building Microsoft Access Applications
> Microsoft Office Access 2003 Inside Out
> SQL Queries for Mere Mortals
> http://www.viescas.com/
> (Paris, France)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
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>
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> On Behalf Of buffalome90210
> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:57 PM
> To:
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> Subject: [MS_AccessPros] Re: About my post re split forms and controls
> disappearing
>
> I thought I would explain the business purpose this form achieves, because
> its purpose has a generic fundamental use to all. and thought I have not
> attempted to duplicate the error in a small test form which lack all the
> other stuff in my form, i am pretty sure it can be duplicated.
>
> 1 Create 2 tables
>
> table one will contain two fields Name & Date, we will call it table "GOOD"
> We will use this table and add to it entries of when people are GOOD !
>
> Hence a person gets added to the table, their name and the date they are
> good.
>
> Table 2 has one field ...a Name of people...these are the people That we
> can
> choose from to add them to the GOOD table, we will call this table the NAME
> table.
>
> Now we create a split form. The top has a listbox displaying all the
> DISTINCT DATES in the GOOD table. The second listbox displays all the
> POTENTIAL names from the NAME table. NOTICE that the difficulty is that we
> MUST make the listbox for names connect to the NAME table, If we connect
> the
> NAME/listbox to only the GOOD table, the result would be that only names
> show which already exits in the GOOD table. Hence the listbox in that
> scenario will only show names that have at some point been added to the
> GOOD
> table. Someone like "johnny", who is bad would never show up in the GOOD
> table, and therefore never show in the NAME/listbox
>
> BUT I wanted the listbox to display all names GOOD and Bad, so the
> NAME/listbox depicts ALL the Names of the NAME TABLE and a click on the
> name
> in the NAME listbox should cause the dataportion in the bottom to show all
> the Dates that JOHNNY" was good.
>
> Now IF Johnny was NEVER GOOD, The Name/Listbox would show His name, But
> when
> clicked, the database has NO entry for Johnny in the GOOD Table, hence the
> dataportion should display NO Records.
>
> BUT Instead, when that situation occurs, The Dataportion goes blank, NO
> Column Header no nothing, The TOP Form portion, BOTH Listboxes will also
> DISSAPEAR.
>
> Now if you toggle the filtered button at the bottom of the datasheet, the
> form and dataportion gets restored.
>
> BUT I REALLY don't think the top form controls aught to vanish ?
>
> Terence
>
> --- In
MS_Access_Professionals@yahoogroups.com<MS_Access_Professionals%40yahoogroups.co\
m>,
> "buffalome90210"
>
> <buffalome90210@...> wrote:
> >
> > oh cantare monami
> >
> > Hi Bill !....... pretending I'm John :)
> >
> > NO NO NO....the weirdness is the the cONTROLS on the top portion , The
> Form Portion, THE listboxes themselves vanish into thin air.
> >
> > THE ENTIRE form on top, all controls, textboxes, listboxes, labels,
> headers, button......................VANISHES
> >
> > regarding the truefalse thingy opposed to yes no.....The NO worked but
> the
> yes did not,
> >
> > Now let me go back to true false and give that a whirl, as I said
> earlier,
> For production I have chosen a different technique, so this is academic,
> BUT
> its still very odd.
> >
> > Terence
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In
MS_Access_Professionals@yahoogroups.com<MS_Access_Professionals%40yahoogroups.co\
m>,
> "Bill Mosca" <wrmosca@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Terence
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. You should be using Me.FilterOn False . The options are
> True/False
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And when you turn a filter on after it being off I'm pretty sure you
> have to
> > > requery to refresh the recordset.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2. Are you saying not all of the fields in the bottom are showing?
> They
> > > should all show unless you specifically hide them.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Bill Mosca,
> > >
> > > MS Access MVP
> > >
> > > <http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Bill.Mosca>
> > > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Bill.Mosca
> > >
> > > That'll do IT <http://www.thatlldoit.com/> http://thatlldoit.com
> > >
> > > Founder, MS_Access_Professionals
> > >
> > > <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MS_Access_Professionals>
> > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MS_Access_Professionals
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From:
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m>
> > >
[mailto:MS_Access_Professionals@yahoogroups.com<MS_Access_Professionals%40yahoog\
roups.com>]
> On Behalf Of
> buffalome90210
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 4:00 AM
> > > To:
MS_Access_Professionals@yahoogroups.com<MS_Access_Professionals%40yahoogroups.co\
m>
> > > Subject: [MS_AccessPros] About my post re split forms and controls
> dissapearing
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have been playiong with them a bit, and reading about somne of the
> mysterious
> > > quirks.
> > >
> > > I have gotten around all the issues I had/have so nothing is eminant.
> > >
> > > The two questions I have remaining are:
> > >
> > > 1. I was able to toggle (programatically) the filter off via Me.filter
> > > NO.....But have not been able to re-0establish the filter....Turn it
> back on, OR
> > > rest the entire form to its load state....any Ideas.
> > >
> > > 2. The strange manifestation I saw on the split form, I ralize and
> accept that
> > > their are quirks, and that my filters may be a bit odd...BUT, I still
> don't
> > > understand, not accept, that a filtered Split form should have the
> ability to
> > > make the controls in the form portion "NON Visible" ?...That I fail to
> > > understand..how..why..under any circumstances it should occur.
> > >
> > > Terence
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
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