Probably not too hard to find an unpaid intern job but the economy has
most pro photographers pretty pressed for business.  All she can do is
go out and beat the bushes.

Chuck Norcutt

Linda Carter wrote:
> Happy thanksgiving you all of you!  I have been lurking here for a bit,
> so appreciate you ideas and thoughts, your photos, everything... and my
> minolta.
> I am writing to you for my daughter.  She is presently working on a BFA
> in Photo at Seattle University, PCNW.  She is looking for a summer job
> and she would love to do something with photography.  Is there any
> direction I can suggest.  She is hoping to stay in Seattle area this
> summer.  Our little town is too small for her expanding interests.
> thanks!!!
>
> Linda Carter
> La Grande, OR
> Love Film!
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> --
> PLEASE share your Manual Minolta pictures in emails to the group and upload
them to our Photos section:
> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/ManualMinolta/photosYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Happy thanksgiving you all of you!  I have been lurking here for a bit,
so appreciate you ideas and thoughts, your photos, everything... and my
minolta.
I am writing to you for my daughter.  She is presently working on a BFA
in Photo at Seattle University, PCNW.  She is looking for a summer job
and she would love to do something with photography.  Is there any
direction I can suggest.  She is hoping to stay in Seattle area this
summer.  Our little town is too small for her expanding interests.
thanks!!!

Linda Carter
La Grande, OR
Love Film!

Good morning, People of ManualMinolta;

      While it is a peculiarly America Holiday, I do what to share it
with you.  Happy Thanksgiving, from the people of "The Management."

           Enjoy;

           Ralph Javins
           Latte Land, Washington

She: You've got your shows on the wrong feet.
He: Can't be -- I don't have any other feet!

> susan schutz <reddeviltj@...> wrote:
> That is funny, though.  Reminds me of
> the time I bought 2 left shoes on eBay.
> It was just a great price!
> I got my money back since the seller
> didn't realize she was selling 2 left
> shoes and in her photo it was obvious
> they were both for the same foot.
> Susan K Schutz
> http://www.reddeviltj.etsy.com/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/reddeviltj/
> http://www.facebook.com/reddeviltj
> http://www.knittingreddeviltj.blogspot.com/


> > Skip wrote: It was the ridiculous high price
> > that made me yearn for it ...

PS - Peter Blaise writes: Susan, I love your Flickr stream, especially the odd
angles and fog.

On your blog you mention HDR, I can't leave a comment (don't know why), so
here's a response:

HDR = High Dynamic Range, that is, the range of tones from black to white, from
shadow to highlight, is enhanced from the normal compressed appearance of most
reproduction media to imitate the the broad range of light levels perceived in
the real world, an "enormous range".

=====================

For more, Google says for "define:hdr"...

High Dynamic Range. An HDR image aims to store pixel values that span the whole
tonal range of real-world scenes. In order to create such an image several low
dynamic range (i.e. ordinary digital photos) taken at differing exposure values
are combined.
http://www.frameroom.com/glossary/glossary.html

Stands for High Dynamic Range and describes a method, in which different
exposures are compiled into a 32-bit database, which is then reduced to a 16- or
8-bit image through the utilization of tone mapping. HDR is a distinct
technique, which requires a specialized software.
http://www.digitaletiefe.com/index.php

=====================

Susan, I see you published this image from Google's Picasa:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_GFooem-Jm3M/StkLdy6tq_I/AAAAAAAAAic/1PuTAotHQ_Q/s1600-\
h/leaf1.jpg

What are the source photos from?  (Manual Minolta?!?)

Click!
Love and hugs,
Peter Blaise
Minolta Photographer

Wow, that was like pulling teeth.  The "220501958260" in your post was an EBAY
number, sale now closed, probably to fix the typo in the price, hahahaha. 
Here's a link so we all can see:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220501958260&ru=http%3A%2F%2F\
shop.ebay.com%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp3907.m38.l1313%26_nkw%3D2205019\
58260%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

(links really help communicate, though even just "eBay" and "$2749.99" woudl
have helped ... but that still leaves WHY share this with the "Manual Minolta"
group?)

Anyway, the eBay listing said:

== eBay 220501958260 ==

Sony Cyber-shot DSC-S60 4.1MP Digital Camera
Item condition: Used
Ended: Nov 04, 200907:59:23 PST
Bid history: 0 bids
Starting bid: US $2,749.99
Shipping: $250.00 Standard Flat Rate Shipping Service
Returns:  No Returns Accepted

=======================

I'd presume they meant $27.49 plus $25.00 shipping(!), or perhaps they thought
eBay was asking for the original purchase price / value that they had paid, and
since it originally listed for $299, then $274.99 might have been what this
owner originally paid and what they thought eBay was asking for.

So, I see yet another novice trying to figure out the challenges of a complex
universe, here, it's manual photography and a complex maker (Minolta), and
there, it's eBay with it's abstruse and ambiguous screen sequence, but than, we
all gotta start someplace.

There are 7,833 Yahoo Groups dedicated to eBay experience!

There is only 1 Manual Minolta.

And here, newbies very welcome!

Click!
Love and hugs,
Peter Blaise
Minolta Photographer

--- In ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com, Peter Blaise Monahon <peterblaise@...>
wrote:
>
> > Skip wrote: It was the ridiculous high price
> > that made me yearn for it ...
>
> Oh, so nothing about the old Sony CyberShot DSC-S60 made you think of manual
Minolta-related anything, then?  Hmm.  By the way, it's 4 years old and
available for under $45 used,
>
> http://shop.ebay.com/items/dsc+s60?_dmd=1&_sop=12
>
> ... so ... perhaps you were just yearning for a modern ... digital ... Minolta
... something?  Ah well, if nothing, then nothing!
>
> Back to Manual Minolta ...

> Skip wrote: It was the ridiculous high price
> that made me yearn for it ...

Oh, so nothing about the old Sony CyberShot DSC-S60 made you think of manual
Minolta-related anything, then?  Hmm.  By the way, it's 4 years old and
available for under $45 used,

http://shop.ebay.com/items/dsc+s60?_dmd=1&_sop=12

... so ... perhaps you were just yearning for a modern ... digital ... Minolta
... something?  Ah well, if nothing, then nothing!

Back to Manual Minolta ...

Click!
Love and hugs,
Peter Blaise
Minolta Photographer

--- In ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com, "peterblaise" <peterblaise@...> wrote:
>
> Well, Skip, tell us more -- waht Manual Minolta does this Sony auto-everything
digital camera make you yearn for?  What is it about your Minolta experience
that makes this camera stand out or miss the Minolta mark?  Yes, tell us more!
>

Well Mr Peter Blaise
It was the ridiculous high price that made me yearn for it. I have numerous SRT
202 Minolta cameras and more lens than I can carry. My fav being a 202 w/kiron
35-135 that Gary's Camera rebuilt I think I posted a few snaps in the photo
section of a few of my Minolta's. Why do you ask? Are you wanting to buy one of
my SRT 202 or if your not up to a big camera, I think I have a P&S Talker 35mm
I'll let go cheap. You have a great week and may all your snaps be great.

Sincerely Yours

Skip

Well, Skip, tell us more -- waht Manual Minolta does this Sony auto-everything
digital camera make you yearn for?  What is it about your Minolta experience
that makes this camera stand out or miss the Minolta mark?  Yes, tell us more!

--- In ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com, "Skip" <evcalvert@...> wrote:
> Sony Cyber-shot DSC-S60 4.1MP
> Digital Camera (220501958260)
> Skip

Announced 4 years ago, by the way, see more at:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Sony/sony_dscs60.asp

I don;t see anything special at all about this camera on today's market.  Tell
us, Skip, what's the "Manual Minolta" connection here?

Now, Panasonic products seem to have the feature control set and automation
Minolta once had, perhaps they hired some former Minolta photographer engineers,
but that's for a non-Manual Minolta group, NOT HERE!

Sony Cyber-shot DSC-S60 4.1MP Digital Camera (220501958260)

Skip

It appears that Craig's Camera in Connecticut has it in stock for $15.00

http://www.craigcamera.com/ib_m.htm

#MIN-0259 Instruction Manual Minolta Extension Bellows I (SR)

The box on the one on eBay sold in August is marked "Extension Bellow for
Minolta-SR Cat#SR-502" so I'm guessing this is the manual you are looking for.

http://cgi.ebay.ph/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=120459448041

I like the folding rail.

-Warren

--- In ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com, Tony Campbell <minolta101@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ralph, Thanks for e-mail. The box reads: Extention Bellows for the
> Minolta-SR.  Cat.# SR-502. If you can help, please advise and thanks again.
> Tony
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:02 AM, RalphJ <vy1n7kga@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Good morning, Tony;
> >
> > There are several different manuals for Minolta Bellows here in
> > the files. I might have one, but I am not sure which one you need.
> > The titles I have are all by the name of the bellows; not by a
> > number.
> >
> > Some of the names include ones such as: SR Bellows I, Bellows
> > II, Bellows III, Auto Bellows I, Auto Bellows II, and Auto Bellows
> > III.
> >
> > If a name is not obvious, perhaps if you provided a photograph
> > or a description of your bellows, it might be possible to compare
> > that with what is here to see if there is a match.
> >
> > Enjoy;
> >
> > Ralph
> > Latte Land, Washington
> >
> > --- In ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com <ManualMinolta%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "tonyc42_2000" <minolta101@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am in need of a copy of the instructional manual for Minolta
> > > Bellows SR-502 or 503. I could use a scan or photocopy if anyone can
> > > help. I have three manual Minolta SLR cameras 101-200-202 and a
> > > Freedom 111 as well as a Dimage Z6 digital so I am a Minolta person.
> > > Thanks in advance. Tony
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

 

Here's a mercury story for you.  Back around 9 years ago I was in the environmental dept at one of the major auto plants around here.  We kept track of everything that left the plant - the outfall - mercury was found.  It wasn't in the industrial waste but in the sewage - it was determined that all the people who had metal fillings were the cause.

I don't have any.  I'm old (52 in 3 weeks) but don't have any metal fillings - I only have 3 and they're ceramic and mercury-free.

 

SusanKSchutz

---

From: Tom Pomeroy <tpomeroy@hughes.net>
To: ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 11:12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MinMan] Re: Re 1.35 v battery

 

Ralph J,
Holly Crap!!!! Is that the same mercury I coated dimes and quarters
with back in the 50s and
the same as the that used in my almalgam fillings in my teeth and the
same as used in all the Honeywell furnace thermostats for decades among
dozens of other position sensitive devices? Same as the stuff from the
broken medical thermometer and the "accurate" BP manometers.
Thanks for the warning.
Just wondering why I'm still kinckin' around. Maybe all the R12 is the
secrete antidote.
Tom P

RalphJ wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Stand back, people. I am on staff here, and I have the long cuff
> protective gloves. I will handle it.
>
> Good morning, Tom;
>
> Yes, Tom, you do indeed have one of the most dangerous things
> in photography: The dreaded Type PX13 Mercury (Hg) battery, that
> may have been made by the Mallory people in their plant in the
> state of Pennsylvania back in the 1970's or early 1980's. Please
> be careful. There may be as much as almost a gram of that slippery
> quicksilver inside that thing. Do not try to dispose of it by
> eating it to hide it from the authorities.
>
> Perhaps the best thing to do with it is to carefully work
> with it to replace it safely back into the protective environment
> of the battery compartment in the bottom of your Minolta SR-T 200.
> All of us will feel much safer when the chrome plated protective
> cover is screwed safely back over that thing. Be careful not to
> spill any of the Mercury from inside the metal shell of the battery
> when you are putting it back in place. At this time, just leave it
> in there operating the meter until the meter no longer functions with
> an acceptable degree of accuracy. Perhaps by that time, modern
> science will have come up with not only a publicly acceptable way,
> but also a legislative safe way to properly dispose of these
> dreaded things.
>
> When you are done safely replacing the PX-13 back into your
> SR-T 200, then wash your hands thoroughly and dry them with paper
> towels. That way you will not contaminate the inside of your
> washing machine when you wash the towels from the rack in your
> bathroom.
>
> OK. You can breathe now. You did remember to hold your breath
> while replacing the battery and while washing and drying your hands,
> didn't you?
>
> Thank you, Tom, for bringing this up to the attention of the
> ManualMinolta Group. If I had not said something, there are many
> other people experienced in handling these things who could also
> advise you. I am sure that Peter Blaise-Monahan, Chuck Norcutt,
> Chuck Cole, or another qualified person would have carefully
> stepped forward to tell you how to handle these things.
>
> Enjoy;
>
> Ralph Javins
> Latte Land, Washington
>
> --- In ManualMinolta@ yahoogroups. com
> <mailto:ManualMinol ta%40yahoogroups .com>, Tom Pomeroy <tpomeroy@.. .>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I have a SRT 200 with a battery that is marked "PX-13".
> > It measures 1.35 v open circuit and move the needle into the
> > correct range for test.
> > Is this the same battery that is no more?
> > Tom Pomeroy
> >
>
>
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For those of you who have an SLR at home, I have a fun experiment for you to
try. It is a way to creatively use your digital camera to create some fun
images.
Have you ever heard of a pinhole camera? If not, check out the Wikipedia
definition... Basically, the original versions were simple cameras with no lens
and only one fixed aperture that was very small. Pictures turn out beautiful
with seemingly uncontrolled light.
My fun pinhole experiment can be done one of two ways. The first way you can do
this yourself is to remove the lens on your SLR and poke a hole in the cover
where the lens would normally go. Please use an extra cover so you don't poke a
hole in the only cover you have! You can use a needle first and do a few test
shots. If you need to make the hole bigger, you can.
You can get creative and try different sizes. I wouldn't go too big though or
your photos will all look washed out. By the way, if you don't want to poke a
hole in your cap you can always tape a piece of black construction paper to the
front and get the same effect. You can also try these pinhole shots with the
lens on for different effects.
Now go out and shoot! Go out and get creative! The beauty of the pinhole camera
is that you don't have to be precise with exposure to get an interesting-looking
shot. Try taking a few shots of the same subject with different exposures,
apperature settings, etc. and see which one you like best. It will take quite a
few test shots before you get something you really love, but the result is
always beautiful!
Part two of this experiment really gets interesting. I tried this and am still
mastering the technique, but am having lots of fun with it. Get a construction
paper punch that is in a shape, preferably smaller like the size of your
pinhole. I'm talking about the shape cutouts you use for scrap-booking.
Use construction paper and punch a hole in the center with your punch. Carefully
tape it to the front of your slr either with the lens on or off. The beauty of
this type of pinhole camera is that you can throw the camera out of focus and
try to shoot something that has twinkling lights, and the lights will appear as
the shape of your pinhole!
Examples of pictures I took and some I am referencing to could be found on the
full detailed article below.
I am finding something new to do with my camera every day!
If you try this at home, feel free to share your results!

Ralph J,
Holly Crap!!!!  Is that the same mercury I coated dimes and quarters
with back in the 50s and
the same as the that used in my almalgam fillings in my teeth and the
same as used in all the Honeywell furnace thermostats for decades among
dozens of other position sensitive devices?  Same as the stuff from the
broken medical thermometer and the "accurate" BP manometers.
Thanks for the warning.
Just wondering why I'm still kinckin' around.  Maybe all the R12 is the
secrete antidote.
Tom P

RalphJ wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Stand back, people. I am on staff here, and I have the long cuff
> protective gloves. I will handle it.
>
> Good morning, Tom;
>
> Yes, Tom, you do indeed have one of the most dangerous things
> in photography: The dreaded Type PX13 Mercury (Hg) battery, that
> may have been made by the Mallory people in their plant in the
> state of Pennsylvania back in the 1970's or early 1980's. Please
> be careful. There may be as much as almost a gram of that slippery
> quicksilver inside that thing. Do not try to dispose of it by
> eating it to hide it from the authorities.
>
> Perhaps the best thing to do with it is to carefully work
> with it to replace it safely back into the protective environment
> of the battery compartment in the bottom of your Minolta SR-T 200.
> All of us will feel much safer when the chrome plated protective
> cover is screwed safely back over that thing. Be careful not to
> spill any of the Mercury from inside the metal shell of the battery
> when you are putting it back in place. At this time, just leave it
> in there operating the meter until the meter no longer functions with
> an acceptable degree of accuracy. Perhaps by that time, modern
> science will have come up with not only a publicly acceptable way,
> but also a legislative safe way to properly dispose of these
> dreaded things.
>
> When you are done safely replacing the PX-13 back into your
> SR-T 200, then wash your hands thoroughly and dry them with paper
> towels. That way you will not contaminate the inside of your
> washing machine when you wash the towels from the rack in your
> bathroom.
>
> OK. You can breathe now. You did remember to hold your breath
> while replacing the battery and while washing and drying your hands,
> didn't you?
>
> Thank you, Tom, for bringing this up to the attention of the
> ManualMinolta Group. If I had not said something, there are many
> other people experienced in handling these things who could also
> advise you. I am sure that Peter Blaise-Monahan, Chuck Norcutt,
> Chuck Cole, or another qualified person would have carefully
> stepped forward to tell you how to handle these things.
>
> Enjoy;
>
> Ralph Javins
> Latte Land, Washington
>
> --- In ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:ManualMinolta%40yahoogroups.com>, Tom Pomeroy <tpomeroy@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I have a SRT 200 with a battery that is marked "PX-13".
> > It measures 1.35 v open circuit and move the needle into the
> > correct range for test.
> > Is this the same battery that is no more?
> > Tom Pomeroy
> >
>
>
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>
>
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20:22:00
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Sounds like Ralph has been mixing something other than milk in his
latte.  :-)

Chuck Norcutt


RalphJ wrote:
>
> Stand back, people.  I am on staff here, and I have the long cuff
> protective gloves.  I will handle it.
>
> Good morning, Tom;
>
>      Yes, Tom, you do indeed have one of the most dangerous things
> in photography:  The dreaded Type PX13 Mercury (Hg) battery, that
> may have been made by the Mallory people in their plant in the
> state of Pennsylvania back in the 1970's or early 1980's.  Please
> be careful.  There may be as much as almost a gram of that slippery
> quicksilver inside that thing.  Do not try to dispose of it by
> eating it to hide it from the authorities.
>
>      Perhaps the best thing to do with it is to carefully work
> with it to replace it safely back into the protective environment
> of the battery compartment in the bottom of your Minolta SR-T 200.
> All of us will feel much safer when the chrome plated protective
> cover is screwed safely back over that thing.  Be careful not to
> spill any of the Mercury from inside the metal shell of the battery
> when you are putting it back in place.  At this time, just leave it
> in there operating the meter until the meter no longer functions with
> an acceptable degree of accuracy.  Perhaps by that time, modern
> science will have come up with not only a publicly acceptable way,
> but also a legislative safe way to properly dispose of these
> dreaded things.
>
>      When you are done safely replacing the PX-13 back into your
> SR-T 200, then wash your hands thoroughly and dry them with paper
> towels.  That way you will not contaminate the inside of your
> washing machine when you wash the towels from the rack in your
> bathroom.
>
>      OK.  You can breathe now.  You did remember to hold your breath
> while replacing the battery and while washing and drying your hands,
> didn't you?
>
>      Thank you, Tom, for bringing this up to the attention of the
> ManualMinolta Group.  If I had not said something, there are many
> other people experienced in handling these things who could also
> advise you.  I am sure that Peter Blaise-Monahan, Chuck Norcutt,
> Chuck Cole, or another qualified person would have carefully
> stepped forward to tell you how to handle these things.
>
>           Enjoy;
>
>           Ralph Javins
>           Latte Land, Washington
>
>
>
> --- In ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pomeroy <tpomeroy@...> wrote:
>>
>> I have a SRT 200 with a battery that is marked "PX-13".
>> It measures 1.35 v open circuit and move the needle into the
>> correct range for test.
>> Is this the same battery that is no more?
>> Tom Pomeroy
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> --
> PLEASE share your Manual Minolta pictures in emails to the group and upload
them to our Photos section:
> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/ManualMinolta/photosYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Thankyou Ralph and Chuck for the additional battery info.

Doug Robertson
----- Original Message -----
From: "RalphJ" <vy1n7kga@...>
To: <ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MinMan] Hi Matic G


>
>
>
>
>
> Good morning, Doug;
>
>     The MR8 and MR9 designations are for the battery adapters,
> and I think both Chuck and I referred to them as adapters in our
> text.  I know that CrisCam uses those designations for their
> adapters.
>
>     The Silver-Oxide (AgO) battery designation will vary with
> each battery manufacturer.  For example, the Duracell Division of
> Procter and Gamble calls one of theirs a 76S, and it is the same
> as an MS76 or an EPX76 or an SR44.  These are also known under
> the NEDA Battery Number 357S.  This is for just one (1) specific
> battery or cell, and there are many different cells and batteries
> made by each manufacturer.
>
>     Finding a battery that will fit into the space of a camera
> or light meter battery holder or battery compartment can be a
> challenge.  That is one of the reasons why I mentioned the use of
> a rubber O-ring from a hardware store as something to use to fill
> the space and hold the battery in the center inside the battery
> holder.
>
>     Just for some trivia, while we often use the terms "cell"
> and "battery" interchangably, a "cell" is the basic unit for a
> chemical system that produces electrical power.  A "battery" is
> usually a combination of "cells" to produce a higher voltage.
> An example is a 1.5 volt DC alkaline chemistry cell, like a
> flashlight "battery," and we package eight (8) of them together
> to produce a "12 volt battery."  In our cars, there is a 12 volt
> battery made up of six (6) 2.15 volt lead and lead dioxide plate
> cells with a mild sulpheric acid electrolyte soaking them.
>
>     Regarding initiating or starting a topic, to the left is a
> light blue column.  On the fifth (5th) line down, under the
> classification of "Messages," is an item called "Post."  If you
> click on that, it will open up a message form.  Put in your new
> topic in the "Subject" line or box at the top, and go to the big
> box space just under the "Subject" line, and begin to type in
> your new topic message.  There are some options for "Preview,"
> "Edit," "Cancel," and "Send" for working with and sending to the
> group your message.
>
>          Enjoy;
>
>          Ralph
>          Latte Land, Washington
>
>
>
> --- In ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Robertson" <epron@...> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Ralph and Chuck,
>>
>> for the additional info.  I have been meaning to look into the
>> alternatives  more closely and your information helps.  However,
>> I do tend to be a bit lazy technically (I am still not sure
>> about how to initiate a conversation  on the Minolta group) and
>> so I will probably get by in the near term by using the alkaline
>> batteries and the Wein Cell.  I have become aware lately of the
>> voltage decay in the alkalines and I do comparison tests with a
>> light meter as the batteries age.  When I am working in
>> situations where I need to be more spot on with my exposure, I
>> tend to use a more modern camera like an XE7.  For when I get
>> around to being more sophisticated with my SRT 101, what is the
>> name of the Silver Oxide battery?  Is it MR8 or is that just the
>> name of the adapter?
>>
>>
>> Doug Robertson
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "RalphJ" <vy1n7kga@...>
>> To: <ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 12:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MinMan] Hi Matic G
>>
>> >
>> > Good morning, Douglas;
>> >
>> >     The comments by Chuck Norcutt do match mine.  The use of
>> > an AgO (Silver-Oxide) battery is a much better choice than an
>> > alkaline battery.
>> >
>> >     The simplest way to use the AgO battery as a substitute
>> > is with a battery adapter, such as the MR8 or the MR9 available
>> > from CrisCam (www.criscam.com) and other sources.  I have
>> > adapters from CrisCam, Bogen, and others.  All of them are
>> > similar, involving the use of a metal shell to hold the AgO
>> > battery and having a Schottky Barrier Diode mounted in the
>> > metal shell also.  At these current levels, the voltage drop of
>> > a Schottky Barrier Diode in the forward biased direction is
>> > just about what we want to bring the voltage down to close to
>> > that of the original PX-13 or similar Mercury Battery.
>> >
>> >     Some feel that a more clean way to do it is by installing
>> > a small Schottky Barrier Diode in one of the wire leads
>> > connecting the battery to the exposure meter circuit.   The
>> > effect is the same.
>> >
>> >     The use of a Wein "Air Cell" or hearing aid battery is
>> > also a viable solution for many people.  The life expectancy
>> > of the Wien cell is not as long as other substitute batteries,
>> > but the performance while working is very good.  The battery
>> > voltage is very close to the old Mercury Battery.  Some people
>> > have reported usage times of up to one year with a Wien cell.
>> > Others say that they have been able to greatly extend the
>> > operating life of a Wien cell by putting a piece of tape over
>> > the air holes of the Wien cell shell when the battery is not
>> > in use.
>> >
>> >     One annoyance with most of the substitute batteries is
>> > the requirement for some way to make up for the different
>> > size of the substitute battery in the old mercury battery
>> > holder.  Almost anything that holds the battery securely in
>> > place while allowing contact to both the top and the bottom
>> > of the substitute battery will work.  Many people are very
>> > satisfied with using just a small rubber O-ring you can find
>> > at your local hardware store as something to take up the
>> > space and hold the substitute battery in place.
>> >
>> >     Finding a way to use a substitute battery in a camera
>> > or light meter to continue using them really is easy.  Try
>> > to find someone who can read and take off the old data
>> > stored on a Commodore 64 or Peter Pan computer 5 & 1/4 inch
>> > floppy disc.
>> >
>> >          Enjoy;
>> >
>> >          Ralph
>> >          Latte Land, Washington
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Regardless of how you choose to adjust for the voltage
>> >> differential between mercury cells and your replacement
>> >> battery it is best if you use a silver oxide battery rather
>> >> than alkaline.  Mercury batteries were used in our cameras
>> >> because they maintain an extremely constant voltage right
>> >> up until they die.  That meant the camera manufacturers
>> >> didn't have to incorporate a voltage regulator in the
>> >> exposure circuit.  When mercury batteries were banned the
>> >> manufacturers changed to silver oxide for exactly the same
>> >> reason.  Silver oxide batteries maintain a steady voltage
>> >> even though they may be nearly dead.  Alkaline batteries on
>> >> the other hand begin to show lower voltage levels almost
>> >> immediately after they are put into service.  They are not
>> >> the stable voltage source your camera manufacturer wanted
>> >> when they specified mercury cells.
>> >>
>> >> So start with silver oxide as the replacement battery,
>> >> preferably with an MR9 [or MR8] adapter or otherwise having
>> >> a diode inserted into the circuit.  If you decide to just
>> >> adjust the ASA you will need a slightly different
>> >> compensation since silver oxide batteries have slightly
>> >> higher voltage than alkaline but they also maintain that
>> >> differential throughout the life of the battery.
>> >>
>> >> Chuck Norcutt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>
>
>
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Stand back, people.  I am on staff here, and I have the long cuff
protective gloves.  I will handle it.

Good morning, Tom;

      Yes, Tom, you do indeed have one of the most dangerous things
in photography:  The dreaded Type PX13 Mercury (Hg) battery, that
may have been made by the Mallory people in their plant in the
state of Pennsylvania back in the 1970's or early 1980's.  Please
be careful.  There may be as much as almost a gram of that slippery
quicksilver inside that thing.  Do not try to dispose of it by
eating it to hide it from the authorities.

      Perhaps the best thing to do with it is to carefully work
with it to replace it safely back into the protective environment
of the battery compartment in the bottom of your Minolta SR-T 200.
All of us will feel much safer when the chrome plated protective
cover is screwed safely back over that thing.  Be careful not to
spill any of the Mercury from inside the metal shell of the battery
when you are putting it back in place.  At this time, just leave it
in there operating the meter until the meter no longer functions with
an acceptable degree of accuracy.  Perhaps by that time, modern
science will have come up with not only a publicly acceptable way,
but also a legislative safe way to properly dispose of these
dreaded things.

      When you are done safely replacing the PX-13 back into your
SR-T 200, then wash your hands thoroughly and dry them with paper
towels.  That way you will not contaminate the inside of your
washing machine when you wash the towels from the rack in your
bathroom.

      OK.  You can breathe now.  You did remember to hold your breath
while replacing the battery and while washing and drying your hands,
didn't you?

      Thank you, Tom, for bringing this up to the attention of the
ManualMinolta Group.  If I had not said something, there are many
other people experienced in handling these things who could also
advise you.  I am sure that Peter Blaise-Monahan, Chuck Norcutt,
Chuck Cole, or another qualified person would have carefully
stepped forward to tell you how to handle these things.

           Enjoy;

           Ralph Javins
           Latte Land, Washington



--- In ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pomeroy <tpomeroy@...> wrote:
>
>
> I have a SRT 200 with a battery that is marked "PX-13".
> It measures 1.35 v open circuit and move the needle into the
> correct range for test.
> Is this the same battery that is no more?
> Tom Pomeroy
>

I have a SRT 200 with a battery that is marked "PX-13".
It measures 1.35 v open circuit and move the needle into the correct
range for test.
Is this the same battery that is no more?
Tom Pomeroy

Batteries are named for their chemistry and the chemical reactions
produce a voltage specific to the chemistry.  A zinc-air cell has a
maximum voltage of 1.65 volts but, since the chemical reaction is
between zinc and oxygen in the air the output voltage can be controlled
to 1.4-1.35 volts by controlling the amount of air that reaches the
cell.  These batteries are activated by peeling off a sticky patch that
covers holes in the case.  Once the holes are uncovered air can reach
the zinc inside and generate a current.  But the reaction will continue
as long as the air holes are uncovered and the battery will decay
whether doing useful work or not.  The drawback to Wein cells is cost
per cell relative to a fairly short working life.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc-air_battery>

Hearing aid batteries are also zinc-air and work the same as a Wein
cell.  If you can find the right physical size you can do this more
cheaply than Wein cells by buying hearing aid batteries.

Chuck Norcutt


Vince wrote:
> Hi all you Hi-Matic hep cats:
>
> Just a note: the Wein is not an alkaline battery but a 'zinc-air'
> cell, which means I know not what specifically, but I have read that
> they actually come out of the package a bit over 1.35v and then drop
> down to that, where they remain until death.  You don't need all that
> other rigamarole. They work fine, I've tested them against a light
> meter and my other cameras.
>
> You know what Thoreaux said, right? "Who needs a light meter anyway?"
> Of course that was in an earlier time.
>
> Vince

Thanks Vince,
for the link.  I have been buying my Wein cells on eBay.  I think this is
cheaper.

Doug Robertson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vince" <passaro.vince@...>
To: <ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MinMan] Hi Matic G


>
> Doug and Susan:
>
> The 1.35 volts are available.  I can't remember what the Hi-Matic is,
> which type of button, the wide or the small (I also have a Leica CL, which
> takes the kind of 1.35v button the Hi-Matic doesn't take...).  You can
> either be very bad and buy the mercury versions from overseas (people
> advertise them on the net) or better the zinc-air replacements from Wein
> which are for sale at Adorama for 4.50 a pop or 49.95 for a dozen. Here's
> the link:
> http://www.adorama.com/searchsite/default.aspx?searchinfo=Wein%20625
>
>
>
> --- In ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Robertson" <epron@...> wrote:
>>
>> Another thing that will affect your exposure.  If your HiMatic G is like
>> my 7S (and SRT 101,s etc), it was designed for the no longer
>> available1.35 volt Px 625 batteries.  An easy alternative is to buy the
>> alkaline 1.5 volt version (still called 625) only the extra voltage will
>> leave you under exposing all your shots.  You can calibrate your camera
>> using a second light meter on a gray card.  I have also found that the
>> new batteries are usually off by about half a stop.  On ASA 400 film, I
>> set a film speed of 250.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Doug Robertson
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: susan schutz
>>   To: ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com
>>   Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:16 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [MinMan] Hi Matic G
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   Will do.  I've got the next 2 days off and the weather is going to
>> cooperate - means I'll be out with the cameras.
>>   I also discovered that my SRT 100 has film in it when I thought it was
>> empty.
>>
>>
>>   SusanKSchutz
>>   http://www.reddeviltj.etsy.com/
>>   http://www.flickr.com/photos/reddeviltj/
>>   http://www.knittingreddeviltj.blogspot.com/
>>   http://www.etsy.com/shop_local.php?place=michigan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>   From: Martin Seelig <martywaw@...>
>>   To: ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com
>>   Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 10:48:38 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [MinMan] Hi Matic G
>>
>>
>>   Post some shots from the next roll. I'd like to see them. The G is
>> pretty good shooter. It's great as a walk around pocket camera.
>>
>>   Martin
>>
>>
>>
>>   On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:39 PM, susan schutz <reddeviltj@yahoo. com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>     They're sitting right here next to my computer - almost solid
>> darkness.
>>     I didn't even look at them before.
>>
>>
>>
>>     SusanKSchutz
>>     http://www.reddeviltj.etsy.com/
>>     http://www.flickr. com/photos/ reddeviltj/
>>     http://www.knitting reddeviltj. blogspot. com/
>>     http://www.etsy. com/shop_ local.php? place=michigan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     From: Martin Seelig <martywaw@gmail. com>
>>     To: ManualMinolta@ yahoogroups. com
>>
>>     Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 10:31:05 PM
>>
>>     Subject: Re: [MinMan] Hi Matic G
>>
>>
>>
>>     Susan
>>
>>
>>
>>     How did the negatives look ? Since they were overexposed by 2 stops,
>> they should have been really dark. Was that the case ?
>>
>>     Martin
>>
>>
>>     On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:43 PM, susan schutz <reddeviltj@yahoo. com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>       Martin,
>>       Your photos were the ones that got me to do the searching. I
>> started on our group then headed off to flickr and saw that my results
>> were like those taken with those plastic toy cameras with expired film.
>>       I was using neither.
>>       You have way more color and depth than I had.  My foliage shots
>> were just greenish blurs.
>>       I put a couple on the min man site in my folder.  Rather blah.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>       SusanKSchutz
>>       http://www.reddevil tj.etsy.com/
>>       http://www.flickr. com/photos/ reddeviltj/
>>
>>       http://www.knitting reddeviltj. blogspot. com/
>>       http://www.etsy. com/shop_ local.php? place=michigan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>       From: Martin Seelig <martywaw@gmail. com>
>>       To: ManualMinolta@ yahoogroups. com
>>       Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 9:33:56 PM
>>
>>       Subject: Re: [MinMan] Hi Matic G
>>
>>
>>
>>       Susan
>>
>>
>>
>>       A few shots taken with my G. The trap needle is really nice for
>> "adjusting" the exposure.
>>
>>
>>       http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ManualMino lta/photos/
>> album/193471235/ pic/list
>>
>>       Martin
>>
>>
>>
>>       On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:44 PM, susan schutz <reddeviltj@yahoo.
>> com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>         The reason I even started the search for the manual was that I
>> was on flickr looking at other peoples' photos from their Hi-Matics and
>> wondering what's wrong with mine.
>>         Now I know.
>>
>>
>>         SusanKSchutz
>>
>>         http://www.reddevil tj.etsy.com/
>>
>>         http://www.flickr. com/photos/ reddeviltj/
>>
>>         http://www.knitting reddeviltj. blogspot. com/
>>
>>         http://www.etsy. com/shop_ local.php? place=michigan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>         From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@ chucknorcutt. com>
>>         To: ManualMinolta@ yahoogroups. com
>>         Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 7:31:03 PM
>>         Subject: Re: [MinMan] Hi Matic G
>>
>>
>>
>>         When using all this modern stuff these days it's sometimes hard
>> to
>>         remember that everything wasn't always automatic.
>>
>>         Chuck Norcutt
>>
>>         susan schutz wrote:
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > I discovered something interesting Sunday afternoon that I just
>> felt
>>         > compelled to share. It was one of those "moments" that made me
>> say
>>         > "duh" out loud and I was home with just the pets.
>>         > I have taken 2 rolls of film with my Hi-Matic G with
>> not-so-good
>>         > results. So, I put a new battery in then decided to look online
>> for a
>>         > manual. After I downloaded a copy of the manual I discovered
>> that
>>         > there's a dial that needs to be changed to the film speed.
>>         > Think that will make a difference?
>>         > It was set on 100 when I've been using 400.
>>         > Like I said
>>         > Duh.....
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>

Hi all you Hi-Matic hep cats:

Just a note: the Wein is not an alkaline battery but a 'zinc-air' cell, which
means I know not what specifically, but I have read that they actually come out
of the package a bit over 1.35v and then drop down to that, where they remain
until death.  You don't need all that other rigamarole. They work fine, I've
tested them against a light meter and my other cameras.

You know what Thoreaux said, right? "Who needs a light meter anyway?" Of course
that was in an earlier time.

Vince


--- In ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com, "RalphJ" <vy1n7kga@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Good morning, Douglas;
>
>      The comments by Chuck Norcutt do match mine.  The use of
> an AgO (Silver-Oxide) battery is a much better choice than an
> alkaline battery.
>
>      The simplest way to use the AgO battery as a substitute
> is with a battery adapter, such as the MR8 or the MR9 available
> from CrisCam (www.criscam.com) and other sources.  I have
> adapters from CrisCam, Bogen, and others.  All of them are
> similar, involving the use of a metal shell to hold the AgO
> battery and having a Schottky Barrier Diode mounted in the
> metal shell also.  At these current levels, the voltage drop of
> a Schottky Barrier Diode in the forward biased direction is
> just about what we want to bring the voltage down to close to
> that of the original PX-13 or similar Mercury Battery.
>
>      Some feel that a more clean way to do it is by installing
> a small Schottky Barrier Diode in one of the wire leads
> connecting the battery to the exposure meter circuit.   The
> effect is the same.
>
>      The use of a Wein "Air Cell" or hearing aid battery is
> also a viable solution for many people.  The life expectancy
> of the Wien cell is not as long as other substitute batteries,
> but the performance while working is very good.  The battery
> voltage is very close to the old Mercury Battery.  Some people
> have reported usage times of up to one year with a Wien cell.
> Others say that they have been able to greatly extend the
> operating life of a Wien cell by putting a piece of tape over
> the air holes of the Wien cell shell when the battery is not
> in use.
>
>      One annoyance with most of the substitute batteries is
> the requirement for some way to make up for the different
> size of the substitute battery in the old mercury battery
> holder.  Almost anything that holds the battery securely in
> place while allowing contact to both the top and the bottom
> of the substitute battery will work.  Many people are very
> satisfied with using just a small rubber O-ring you can find
> at your local hardware store as something to take up the
> space and hold the substitute battery in place.
>
>      Finding a way to use a substitute battery in a camera
> or light meter to continue using them really is easy.  Try
> to find someone who can read and take off the old data
> stored on a Commodore 64 or Peter Pan computer 5 & 1/4 inch
> floppy disc.
>
>           Enjoy;
>
>           Ralph
>           Latte Land, Washington
>
>
>
> --- In ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@> wrote:
> >
> > Regardless of how you choose to adjust for the voltage
> > differential between mercury cells and your replacement
> > battery it is best if you use a silver oxide battery rather
> > than alkaline.  Mercury batteries were used in our cameras
> > because they maintain an extremely constant voltage right
> > up until they die.  That meant the camera manufacturers
> > didn't have to incorporate a voltage regulator in the
> > exposure circuit.  When mercury batteries were banned the
> > manufacturers changed to silver oxide for exactly the same
> > reason.  Silver oxide batteries maintain a steady voltage
> > even though they may be nearly dead.  Alkaline batteries on
> > the other hand begin to show lower voltage levels almost
> > immediately after they are put into service.  They are not
> > the stable voltage source your camera manufacturer wanted
> > when they specified mercury cells.
> >
> > So start with silver oxide as the replacement battery,
> > preferably with an MR9 [or MR8] adapter or otherwise having
> > a diode inserted into the circuit.  If you decide to just
> > adjust the ASA you will need a slightly different
> > compensation since silver oxide batteries have slightly
> > higher voltage than alkaline but they also maintain that
> > differential throughout the life of the battery.
> >
> > Chuck Norcutt
> >
> >
> > Doug Robertson wrote:
> > > Thank you for the info Chuck.  I have read about some of
> > > the other solutions but never in so much detail.  I will
> > > save your email for future reading.  I chose the 625/ASA
> > > route because of its simplicity.  I haven't noticed
> > > significant exposure problems yet but I will watch for
> > > this.  I do buy the air cell batteries sometimes but they
> > > are expensive and decay whether you are using your camera
> > > or not.
> > >
> > > Doug Robertson
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chuck Norcutt" <chucknorcutt@>
> > > To: <ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:07 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [MinMan] Hi Matic G
> > >
> > >
> > >> There are some better solutions listed here.  Adjusting
> > >> the ASA is a reasonable solution but the error is not
> > >> linear and varies according to brightness level.
> > >>
> > >>    <http://www.buhla.de/Foto/batt-adapt-US.pdf>
> > >>
> > >> Chuck Norcutt
> > >>
> > >>
>

Good morning, Doug;

      The MR8 and MR9 designations are for the battery adapters,
and I think both Chuck and I referred to them as adapters in our
text.  I know that CrisCam uses those designations for their
adapters.

      The Silver-Oxide (AgO) battery designation will vary with
each battery manufacturer.  For example, the Duracell Division of
Procter and Gamble calls one of theirs a 76S, and it is the same
as an MS76 or an EPX76 or an SR44.  These are also known under
the NEDA Battery Number 357S.  This is for just one (1) specific
battery or cell, and there are many different cells and batteries
made by each manufacturer.

      Finding a battery that will fit into the space of a camera
or light meter battery holder or battery compartment can be a
challenge.  That is one of the reasons why I mentioned the use of
a rubber O-ring from a hardware store as something to use to fill
the space and hold the battery in the center inside the battery
holder.

      Just for some trivia, while we often use the terms "cell"
and "battery" interchangably, a "cell" is the basic unit for a
chemical system that produces electrical power.  A "battery" is
usually a combination of "cells" to produce a higher voltage.
An example is a 1.5 volt DC alkaline chemistry cell, like a
flashlight "battery," and we package eight (8) of them together
to produce a "12 volt battery."  In our cars, there is a 12 volt
battery made up of six (6) 2.15 volt lead and lead dioxide plate
cells with a mild sulpheric acid electrolyte soaking them.

      Regarding initiating or starting a topic, to the left is a
light blue column.  On the fifth (5th) line down, under the
classification of "Messages," is an item called "Post."  If you
click on that, it will open up a message form.  Put in your new
topic in the "Subject" line or box at the top, and go to the big
box space just under the "Subject" line, and begin to type in
your new topic message.  There are some options for "Preview,"
"Edit," "Cancel," and "Send" for working with and sending to the
group your message.

           Enjoy;

           Ralph
           Latte Land, Washington



--- In ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Robertson" <epron@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Ralph and Chuck,
>
> for the additional info.  I have been meaning to look into the
> alternatives  more closely and your information helps.  However,
> I do tend to be a bit lazy technically (I am still not sure
> about how to initiate a conversation  on the Minolta group) and
> so I will probably get by in the near term by using the alkaline
> batteries and the Wein Cell.  I have become aware lately of the
> voltage decay in the alkalines and I do comparison tests with a
> light meter as the batteries age.  When I am working in
> situations where I need to be more spot on with my exposure, I
> tend to use a more modern camera like an XE7.  For when I get
> around to being more sophisticated with my SRT 101, what is the
> name of the Silver Oxide battery?  Is it MR8 or is that just the
> name of the adapter?
>
>
> Doug Robertson
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RalphJ" <vy1n7kga@...>
> To: <ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 12:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [MinMan] Hi Matic G
>
> >
> > Good morning, Douglas;
> >
> >     The comments by Chuck Norcutt do match mine.  The use of
> > an AgO (Silver-Oxide) battery is a much better choice than an
> > alkaline battery.
> >
> >     The simplest way to use the AgO battery as a substitute
> > is with a battery adapter, such as the MR8 or the MR9 available
> > from CrisCam (www.criscam.com) and other sources.  I have
> > adapters from CrisCam, Bogen, and others.  All of them are
> > similar, involving the use of a metal shell to hold the AgO
> > battery and having a Schottky Barrier Diode mounted in the
> > metal shell also.  At these current levels, the voltage drop of
> > a Schottky Barrier Diode in the forward biased direction is
> > just about what we want to bring the voltage down to close to
> > that of the original PX-13 or similar Mercury Battery.
> >
> >     Some feel that a more clean way to do it is by installing
> > a small Schottky Barrier Diode in one of the wire leads
> > connecting the battery to the exposure meter circuit.   The
> > effect is the same.
> >
> >     The use of a Wein "Air Cell" or hearing aid battery is
> > also a viable solution for many people.  The life expectancy
> > of the Wien cell is not as long as other substitute batteries,
> > but the performance while working is very good.  The battery
> > voltage is very close to the old Mercury Battery.  Some people
> > have reported usage times of up to one year with a Wien cell.
> > Others say that they have been able to greatly extend the
> > operating life of a Wien cell by putting a piece of tape over
> > the air holes of the Wien cell shell when the battery is not
> > in use.
> >
> >     One annoyance with most of the substitute batteries is
> > the requirement for some way to make up for the different
> > size of the substitute battery in the old mercury battery
> > holder.  Almost anything that holds the battery securely in
> > place while allowing contact to both the top and the bottom
> > of the substitute battery will work.  Many people are very
> > satisfied with using just a small rubber O-ring you can find
> > at your local hardware store as something to take up the
> > space and hold the substitute battery in place.
> >
> >     Finding a way to use a substitute battery in a camera
> > or light meter to continue using them really is easy.  Try
> > to find someone who can read and take off the old data
> > stored on a Commodore 64 or Peter Pan computer 5 & 1/4 inch
> > floppy disc.
> >
> >          Enjoy;
> >
> >          Ralph
> >          Latte Land, Washington
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Regardless of how you choose to adjust for the voltage
> >> differential between mercury cells and your replacement
> >> battery it is best if you use a silver oxide battery rather
> >> than alkaline.  Mercury batteries were used in our cameras
> >> because they maintain an extremely constant voltage right
> >> up until they die.  That meant the camera manufacturers
> >> didn't have to incorporate a voltage regulator in the
> >> exposure circuit.  When mercury batteries were banned the
> >> manufacturers changed to silver oxide for exactly the same
> >> reason.  Silver oxide batteries maintain a steady voltage
> >> even though they may be nearly dead.  Alkaline batteries on
> >> the other hand begin to show lower voltage levels almost
> >> immediately after they are put into service.  They are not
> >> the stable voltage source your camera manufacturer wanted
> >> when they specified mercury cells.
> >>
> >> So start with silver oxide as the replacement battery,
> >> preferably with an MR9 [or MR8] adapter or otherwise having
> >> a diode inserted into the circuit.  If you decide to just
> >> adjust the ASA you will need a slightly different
> >> compensation since silver oxide batteries have slightly
> >> higher voltage than alkaline but they also maintain that
> >> differential throughout the life of the battery.
> >>
> >> Chuck Norcutt
> >>
> >>
> >>

I have no idea what an MR8 is.  The mercury to silver oxide battery
converter I'm familiar with is the MR9.  The MR9 requires a 386 silver
oxide battery.  Other silver oxide cells of similar diameter may be too
thick for proper fit.  Be sure to specify 386.  See it here about 1/3 of
the way down the page <http://zuiko.com/index_016.htm>

Chuck Norcutt


Doug Robertson wrote:
> Thanks Ralph and Chuck,
>
> for the additional info.  I have been meaning to look into the alternatives
> more closely and your information helps.  However, I do tend to be a bit
> lazy technically (I am still not sure about how to initiate a conversation
> on the Minolta group) and so I will probably get by in the near term by
> using the alkaline batteries and the Wein Cell.  I have become aware lately
> of the voltage decay in the alkalines and I do comparison tests with a light
> meter as the batteries age.  When I am working in situations where I need to
> be more spot on with my exposure, I tend to use a more modern camera like an
> XE7.  For when I get around to being more sophisticated with my SRT 101,
> what is the name of the Silver Oxide battery?  Is it MR8 or is that just the
> name of the adapter?
>
>
> Doug Robertson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RalphJ" <vy1n7kga@...>
> To: <ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 12:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [MinMan] Hi Matic G
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Good morning, Douglas;
>>
>>     The comments by Chuck Norcutt do match mine.  The use of
>> an AgO (Silver-Oxide) battery is a much better choice than an
>> alkaline battery.
>>
>>     The simplest way to use the AgO battery as a substitute
>> is with a battery adapter, such as the MR8 or the MR9 available
>> from CrisCam (www.criscam.com) and other sources.  I have
>> adapters from CrisCam, Bogen, and others.  All of them are
>> similar, involving the use of a metal shell to hold the AgO
>> battery and having a Schottky Barrier Diode mounted in the
>> metal shell also.  At these current levels, the voltage drop of
>> a Schottky Barrier Diode in the forward biased direction is
>> just about what we want to bring the voltage down to close to
>> that of the original PX-13 or similar Mercury Battery.
>>
>>     Some feel that a more clean way to do it is by installing
>> a small Schottky Barrier Diode in one of the wire leads
>> connecting the battery to the exposure meter circuit.   The
>> effect is the same.
>>
>>     The use of a Wein "Air Cell" or hearing aid battery is
>> also a viable solution for many people.  The life expectancy
>> of the Wien cell is not as long as other substitute batteries,
>> but the performance while working is very good.  The battery
>> voltage is very close to the old Mercury Battery.  Some people
>> have reported usage times of up to one year with a Wien cell.
>> Others say that they have been able to greatly extend the
>> operating life of a Wien cell by putting a piece of tape over
>> the air holes of the Wien cell shell when the battery is not
>> in use.
>>
>>     One annoyance with most of the substitute batteries is
>> the requirement for some way to make up for the different
>> size of the substitute battery in the old mercury battery
>> holder.  Almost anything that holds the battery securely in
>> place while allowing contact to both the top and the bottom
>> of the substitute battery will work.  Many people are very
>> satisfied with using just a small rubber O-ring you can find
>> at your local hardware store as something to take up the
>> space and hold the substitute battery in place.
>>
>>     Finding a way to use a substitute battery in a camera
>> or light meter to continue using them really is easy.  Try
>> to find someone who can read and take off the old data
>> stored on a Commodore 64 or Peter Pan computer 5 & 1/4 inch
>> floppy disc.
>>
>>          Enjoy;
>>
>>          Ralph
>>          Latte Land, Washington
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@...>
>> wrote:
>>> Regardless of how you choose to adjust for the voltage
>>> differential between mercury cells and your replacement
>>> battery it is best if you use a silver oxide battery rather
>>> than alkaline.  Mercury batteries were used in our cameras
>>> because they maintain an extremely constant voltage right
>>> up until they die.  That meant the camera manufacturers
>>> didn't have to incorporate a voltage regulator in the
>>> exposure circuit.  When mercury batteries were banned the
>>> manufacturers changed to silver oxide for exactly the same
>>> reason.  Silver oxide batteries maintain a steady voltage
>>> even though they may be nearly dead.  Alkaline batteries on
>>> the other hand begin to show lower voltage levels almost
>>> immediately after they are put into service.  They are not
>>> the stable voltage source your camera manufacturer wanted
>>> when they specified mercury cells.
>>>
>>> So start with silver oxide as the replacement battery,
>>> preferably with an MR9 [or MR8] adapter or otherwise having
>>> a diode inserted into the circuit.  If you decide to just
>>> adjust the ASA you will need a slightly different
>>> compensation since silver oxide batteries have slightly
>>> higher voltage than alkaline but they also maintain that
>>> differential throughout the life of the battery.
>>>
>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>
>>>
>>> Doug Robertson wrote:
>>>> Thank you for the info Chuck.  I have read about some of
>>>> the other solutions but never in so much detail.  I will
>>>> save your email for future reading.  I chose the 625/ASA
>>>> route because of its simplicity.  I haven't noticed
>>>> significant exposure problems yet but I will watch for
>>>> this.  I do buy the air cell batteries sometimes but they
>>>> are expensive and decay whether you are using your camera
>>>> or not.
>>>>
>>>> Doug Robertson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" <chucknorcutt@...>
>>>> To: <ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:07 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [MinMan] Hi Matic G
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> There are some better solutions listed here.  Adjusting
>>>>> the ASA is a reasonable solution but the error is not
>>>>> linear and varies according to brightness level.
>>>>>
>>>>>    <http://www.buhla.de/Foto/batt-adapt-US.pdf>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
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them to our Photos section:
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>
>
>
>

Thanks Ralph and Chuck,

for the additional info.  I have been meaning to look into the alternatives
more closely and your information helps.  However, I do tend to be a bit
lazy technically (I am still not sure about how to initiate a conversation
on the Minolta group) and so I will probably get by in the near term by
using the alkaline batteries and the Wein Cell.  I have become aware lately
of the voltage decay in the alkalines and I do comparison tests with a light
meter as the batteries age.  When I am working in situations where I need to
be more spot on with my exposure, I tend to use a more modern camera like an
XE7.  For when I get around to being more sophisticated with my SRT 101,
what is the name of the Silver Oxide battery?  Is it MR8 or is that just the
name of the adapter?


Doug Robertson
----- Original Message -----
From: "RalphJ" <vy1n7kga@...>
To: <ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MinMan] Hi Matic G


>
>
>
>
>
>
> Good morning, Douglas;
>
>     The comments by Chuck Norcutt do match mine.  The use of
> an AgO (Silver-Oxide) battery is a much better choice than an
> alkaline battery.
>
>     The simplest way to use the AgO battery as a substitute
> is with a battery adapter, such as the MR8 or the MR9 available
> from CrisCam (www.criscam.com) and other sources.  I have
> adapters from CrisCam, Bogen, and others.  All of them are
> similar, involving the use of a metal shell to hold the AgO
> battery and having a Schottky Barrier Diode mounted in the
> metal shell also.  At these current levels, the voltage drop of
> a Schottky Barrier Diode in the forward biased direction is
> just about what we want to bring the voltage down to close to
> that of the original PX-13 or similar Mercury Battery.
>
>     Some feel that a more clean way to do it is by installing
> a small Schottky Barrier Diode in one of the wire leads
> connecting the battery to the exposure meter circuit.   The
> effect is the same.
>
>     The use of a Wein "Air Cell" or hearing aid battery is
> also a viable solution for many people.  The life expectancy
> of the Wien cell is not as long as other substitute batteries,
> but the performance while working is very good.  The battery
> voltage is very close to the old Mercury Battery.  Some people
> have reported usage times of up to one year with a Wien cell.
> Others say that they have been able to greatly extend the
> operating life of a Wien cell by putting a piece of tape over
> the air holes of the Wien cell shell when the battery is not
> in use.
>
>     One annoyance with most of the substitute batteries is
> the requirement for some way to make up for the different
> size of the substitute battery in the old mercury battery
> holder.  Almost anything that holds the battery securely in
> place while allowing contact to both the top and the bottom
> of the substitute battery will work.  Many people are very
> satisfied with using just a small rubber O-ring you can find
> at your local hardware store as something to take up the
> space and hold the substitute battery in place.
>
>     Finding a way to use a substitute battery in a camera
> or light meter to continue using them really is easy.  Try
> to find someone who can read and take off the old data
> stored on a Commodore 64 or Peter Pan computer 5 & 1/4 inch
> floppy disc.
>
>          Enjoy;
>
>          Ralph
>          Latte Land, Washington
>
>
>
> --- In ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Regardless of how you choose to adjust for the voltage
>> differential between mercury cells and your replacement
>> battery it is best if you use a silver oxide battery rather
>> than alkaline.  Mercury batteries were used in our cameras
>> because they maintain an extremely constant voltage right
>> up until they die.  That meant the camera manufacturers
>> didn't have to incorporate a voltage regulator in the
>> exposure circuit.  When mercury batteries were banned the
>> manufacturers changed to silver oxide for exactly the same
>> reason.  Silver oxide batteries maintain a steady voltage
>> even though they may be nearly dead.  Alkaline batteries on
>> the other hand begin to show lower voltage levels almost
>> immediately after they are put into service.  They are not
>> the stable voltage source your camera manufacturer wanted
>> when they specified mercury cells.
>>
>> So start with silver oxide as the replacement battery,
>> preferably with an MR9 [or MR8] adapter or otherwise having
>> a diode inserted into the circuit.  If you decide to just
>> adjust the ASA you will need a slightly different
>> compensation since silver oxide batteries have slightly
>> higher voltage than alkaline but they also maintain that
>> differential throughout the life of the battery.
>>
>> Chuck Norcutt
>>
>>
>> Doug Robertson wrote:
>> > Thank you for the info Chuck.  I have read about some of
>> > the other solutions but never in so much detail.  I will
>> > save your email for future reading.  I chose the 625/ASA
>> > route because of its simplicity.  I haven't noticed
>> > significant exposure problems yet but I will watch for
>> > this.  I do buy the air cell batteries sometimes but they
>> > are expensive and decay whether you are using your camera
>> > or not.
>> >
>> > Doug Robertson
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Chuck Norcutt" <chucknorcutt@...>
>> > To: <ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:07 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [MinMan] Hi Matic G
>> >
>> >
>> >> There are some better solutions listed here.  Adjusting
>> >> the ASA is a reasonable solution but the error is not
>> >> linear and varies according to brightness level.
>> >>
>> >>    <http://www.buhla.de/Foto/batt-adapt-US.pdf>
>> >>
>> >> Chuck Norcutt
>> >>
>> >>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> --
> PLEASE share your Manual Minolta pictures in emails to the group and
> upload them to our Photos section:
> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/ManualMinolta/photosYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Good morning, Douglas;

      The comments by Chuck Norcutt do match mine.  The use of
an AgO (Silver-Oxide) battery is a much better choice than an
alkaline battery.

      The simplest way to use the AgO battery as a substitute
is with a battery adapter, such as the MR8 or the MR9 available
from CrisCam (www.criscam.com) and other sources.  I have
adapters from CrisCam, Bogen, and others.  All of them are
similar, involving the use of a metal shell to hold the AgO
battery and having a Schottky Barrier Diode mounted in the
metal shell also.  At these current levels, the voltage drop of
a Schottky Barrier Diode in the forward biased direction is
just about what we want to bring the voltage down to close to
that of the original PX-13 or similar Mercury Battery.

      Some feel that a more clean way to do it is by installing
a small Schottky Barrier Diode in one of the wire leads
connecting the battery to the exposure meter circuit.   The
effect is the same.

      The use of a Wein "Air Cell" or hearing aid battery is
also a viable solution for many people.  The life expectancy
of the Wien cell is not as long as other substitute batteries,
but the performance while working is very good.  The battery
voltage is very close to the old Mercury Battery.  Some people
have reported usage times of up to one year with a Wien cell.
Others say that they have been able to greatly extend the
operating life of a Wien cell by putting a piece of tape over
the air holes of the Wien cell shell when the battery is not
in use.

      One annoyance with most of the substitute batteries is
the requirement for some way to make up for the different
size of the substitute battery in the old mercury battery
holder.  Almost anything that holds the battery securely in
place while allowing contact to both the top and the bottom
of the substitute battery will work.  Many people are very
satisfied with using just a small rubber O-ring you can find
at your local hardware store as something to take up the
space and hold the substitute battery in place.

      Finding a way to use a substitute battery in a camera
or light meter to continue using them really is easy.  Try
to find someone who can read and take off the old data
stored on a Commodore 64 or Peter Pan computer 5 & 1/4 inch
floppy disc.

           Enjoy;

           Ralph
           Latte Land, Washington



--- In ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@...> wrote:
>
> Regardless of how you choose to adjust for the voltage
> differential between mercury cells and your replacement
> battery it is best if you use a silver oxide battery rather
> than alkaline.  Mercury batteries were used in our cameras
> because they maintain an extremely constant voltage right
> up until they die.  That meant the camera manufacturers
> didn't have to incorporate a voltage regulator in the
> exposure circuit.  When mercury batteries were banned the
> manufacturers changed to silver oxide for exactly the same
> reason.  Silver oxide batteries maintain a steady voltage
> even though they may be nearly dead.  Alkaline batteries on
> the other hand begin to show lower voltage levels almost
> immediately after they are put into service.  They are not
> the stable voltage source your camera manufacturer wanted
> when they specified mercury cells.
>
> So start with silver oxide as the replacement battery,
> preferably with an MR9 [or MR8] adapter or otherwise having
> a diode inserted into the circuit.  If you decide to just
> adjust the ASA you will need a slightly different
> compensation since silver oxide batteries have slightly
> higher voltage than alkaline but they also maintain that
> differential throughout the life of the battery.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
>
> Doug Robertson wrote:
> > Thank you for the info Chuck.  I have read about some of
> > the other solutions but never in so much detail.  I will
> > save your email for future reading.  I chose the 625/ASA
> > route because of its simplicity.  I haven't noticed
> > significant exposure problems yet but I will watch for
> > this.  I do buy the air cell batteries sometimes but they
> > are expensive and decay whether you are using your camera
> > or not.
> >
> > Doug Robertson
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chuck Norcutt" <chucknorcutt@...>
> > To: <ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MinMan] Hi Matic G
> >
> >
> >> There are some better solutions listed here.  Adjusting
> >> the ASA is a reasonable solution but the error is not
> >> linear and varies according to brightness level.
> >>
> >>    <http://www.buhla.de/Foto/batt-adapt-US.pdf>
> >>
> >> Chuck Norcutt
> >>
> >>

Regardless of how you choose to adjust for the voltage differential
between mercury cells and your replacement battery it is best if you use
a silver oxide battery rather than alkaline.  Mercury batteries were
used in our cameras because they maintain an extremely constant voltage
right up until they die.  That meant the camera manufacturers didn't
have to incorporate a voltage regulator in the exposure circuit.  When
mercury batteries were banned the manufacturers changed to silver oxide
for exactly the same reason.  Silver oxide batteries maintain a steady
voltage even though they may be nearly dead.  Alkaline batteries on the
other hand begin to show lower voltage levels almost immediately after
they are put into service.  They are not the stable voltage source your
camera manufacturer wanted when they specified mercury cells.

So start with silver oxide as the replacement battery, preferably with
an MR9 adapter or otherwise having a diode inserted into the circuit.
If you decide to just adjust the ASA you will need a slightly different
compensation since silver oxide batteries have slightly higher voltage
than alkaline but they also maintain that differential throughout the
life of the battery.

Chuck Norcutt


Doug Robertson wrote:
> Thankyou for the info Chuck.  I have read about some of the other solutions
> but never in so much detail.  I will save your email for future reading.  I
> chose the 625/ASA route because of its simplicity.  I haven't noticed
> significant exposure problems yet but I will watch for this.  I do buy the
> air cell batteries sometimes but they are expensive and decay whether you
> are using your camera or not.
>
> Doug Robertson
>
> Doug Robertson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck Norcutt" <chucknorcutt@...>
> To: <ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [MinMan] Hi Matic G
>
>
>> There are some better solutions listed here.  Adjusting the ASA is a
>> reasonable solution but the error is not linear and varies according to
>> brightness level.  <http://www.buhla.de/Foto/batt-adapt-US.pdf>
>>
>> Chuck Norcutt
>>
>>
>> Doug Robertson wrote:
>>>
>>> Another thing that will affect your exposure.  If your HiMatic G is like
>>> my 7S (and SRT 101,s etc), it was designed for the no longer
>>> available1.35 volt Px 625 batteries.  An easy alternative is to buy the
>>> alkaline 1.5 volt version (still called 625) only the extra voltage will
>>> leave you under exposing all your shots.  You can calibrate your camera
>>> using a second light meter on a gray card.  I have also found that the
>>> new batteries are usually off by about half a stop.  On ASA 400 film, I
>>> set a film speed of 250.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Doug Robertson
>>>
>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>     *From:* susan schutz <mailto:reddeviltj@...>
>>>     *To:* ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com
>>>     <mailto:ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com>
>>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:16 PM
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [MinMan] Hi Matic G
>>>
>>>     Will do.  I've got the next 2 days off and the weather is going to
>>>     cooperate - means I'll be out with the cameras.
>>>     I also discovered that my SRT 100 has film in it when I thought it
>>>     was empty.
>>>
>>>
>>>     SusanKSchutz
>>>     http://www.reddeviltj.etsy.com/
>>>     http://www.flickr.com/photos/reddeviltj/
>>>     http://www.knittingreddeviltj.blogspot.com/
>>>     http://www.etsy.com/shop_local.php?place=michigan
>>>
>>>
>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>     *From:* Martin Seelig <martywaw@...>
>>>     *To:* ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com
>>>     *Sent:* Tue, October 20, 2009 10:48:38 PM
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [MinMan] Hi Matic G
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Post some shots from the next roll. I'd like to see them. The G is
>>>     pretty good shooter. It's great as a walk around pocket camera.
>>>
>>>     Martin
>>>
>>>     On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:39 PM, susan schutz <reddeviltj@yahoo.
>>>     com <mailto:reddeviltj@...>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         They're sitting right here next to my computer - almost solid
>>>         darkness.
>>>         I didn't even look at them before.
>>>
>>>
>>>         SusanKSchutz
>>>         http://www.reddeviltj.etsy.com/
>>>         http://www.flickr. com/photos/ reddeviltj/
>>>         <http://www.flickr.com/photos/reddeviltj/>
>>>         http://www.knitting reddeviltj. blogspot. com/
>>>         <http://www.knittingreddeviltj.blogspot.com/>
>>>         http://www.etsy. com/shop_ local.php? place=michigan
>>>         <http://www.etsy.com/shop_local.php?place=michigan>
>>>
>>>
>>>        
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>         *From:* Martin Seelig <martywaw@gmail. com
>>>         <mailto:martywaw@...>>
>>>         *To:* ManualMinolta@ yahoogroups. com
>>>         <mailto:ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com>
>>>         *Sent:* Tue, October 20, 2009 10:31:05 PM
>>>
>>>         *Subject:* Re: [MinMan] Hi Matic G
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         Susan
>>>
>>>
>>>         How did the negatives look ? Since they were overexposed by 2
>>>         stops, they should have been really dark. Was that the case ?
>>>
>>>         Martin
>>>
>>>         On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:43 PM, susan schutz <reddeviltj@yahoo.
>>>         com <mailto:reddeviltj@...>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             Martin,
>>>             Your photos were the ones that got me to do the searching. I
>>>             started on our group then headed off to flickr and saw that
>>>             my results were like those taken with those plastic toy
>>>             cameras with expired film.
>>>             I was using neither.
>>>             You have way more color and depth than I had.
>>>              My foliage shots were just greenish blurs.
>>>             I put a couple on the min man site in my folder.  Rather
>>> blah.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             SusanKSchutz
>>>             http://www.reddevil tj.etsy.com/
>>>             <http://www.reddeviltj.etsy.com/>
>>>             http://www.flickr. com/photos/ reddeviltj/
>>>             <http://www.flickr.com/photos/reddeviltj/>
>>>             http://www.knitting reddeviltj. blogspot. com/
>>>             <http://www.knittingreddeviltj.blogspot.com/>
>>>             http://www.etsy. com/shop_ local.php? place=michigan
>>>             <http://www.etsy.com/shop_local.php?place=michigan>
>>>
>>>
>>>            
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>             *From:* Martin Seelig <martywaw@gmail. com
>>>             <mailto:martywaw@...>>
>>>             *To:* ManualMinolta@ yahoogroups. com
>>>             <mailto:ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com>
>>>             *Sent:* Tue, October 20, 2009 9:33:56 PM
>>>
>>>             *Subject:* Re: [MinMan] Hi Matic G
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             Susan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             A few shots taken with my G. The trap needle is really nice
>>>             for "adjusting" the exposure.
>>>
>>>             http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ManualMino lta/photos/
>>>             album/193471235/ pic/list
>>>
>>>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ManualMinolta/photos/album/193471235/pic/list>
>>>
>>>             Martin
>>>
>>>
>>>             On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:44 PM, susan schutz
>>>             <reddeviltj@yahoo. com <mailto:reddeviltj@...>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                 The reason I even started the search for the manual was
>>>                 that I was on flickr looking at other peoples' photos
>>>                 from their Hi-Matics and wondering what's wrong with
>>> mine.
>>>                 Now I know.
>>>
>>>
>>>                 SusanKSchutz
>>>                 http://www.reddevil tj.etsy.com/
>>>                 <http://www.reddeviltj.etsy.com/>
>>>
>>>                 http://www.flickr. com/photos/ reddeviltj/
>>>                 <http://www.flickr.com/photos/reddeviltj/>
>>>                 http://www.knitting reddeviltj. blogspot. com/
>>>                 <http://www.knittingreddeviltj.blogspot.com/>
>>>
>>>                 http://www.etsy. com/shop_ local.php? place=michigan
>>>                 <http://www.etsy.com/shop_local.php?place=michigan>
>>>
>>>
>>>                
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>                 *From:* Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@ chucknorcutt. com
>>>                 <mailto:chucknorcutt@...>>
>>>                 *To:* ManualMinolta@ yahoogroups. com
>>>                 <mailto:ManualMinolta@yahoogroups.com>
>>>                 *Sent:* Tue, October 20, 2009 7:31:03 PM
>>>                 *Subject:* Re: [MinMan] Hi Matic G
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                 When using all this modern stuff these days it's
>>>                 sometimes hard to
>>>                 remember that everything wasn't always automatic.
>>>
>>>                 Chuck Norcutt
>>>
>>>                 susan schutz wrote:
>>>                  >
>>>                  >
>>>                  > I discovered something interesting Sunday afternoon
>>>                 that I just felt
>>>                  > compelled to share. It was one of those "moments"
>>>                 that made me say
>>>                  > "duh" out loud and I was home with just the pets.
>>>                  > I have taken 2 rolls of film with my Hi-Matic G with
>>>                 not-so-good
>>>                  > results. So, I put a new battery in then decided to
>>>                 look online for a
>>>                  > manual. After I downloaded a copy of the manual I
>>>                 discovered that
>>>                  > there's a dial that needs to be changed to the film
>>>                 speed.
>>>                  > Think that will make a difference?
>>>                  > It was set on 100 when I've been using 400.
>>>                  > Like I said
>>>                  > Duh.....
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