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regluing prism in head of AO Spencer M10BG-H2W   Message List  
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Re: Lighter Fluid as cleaning agent : question


As a service technician from Carl Zeiss ( I mean, an old technician
from the old school) I have to recommend caution when you read
cleaning documentation from microscope manufacturer. I read
this "thecleanmicroscope.pdf file" from Carl Zeiss and I have to
say: I was not very impressed.

There are several recommendation which do not agree with the
training we did receive in the famous old "Carl Zeiss Ausbildung
Center"

We have been told: never, never use Q-tips from commercial
manufacturer, because this Q-tips are made by machine and to start
to roll the cotton, this manufacturers uses generally glue. The
glue will melt, depending the cleaning agent you do use, and the
result is going to be very ugly. We spent hours learning to do
our own Q-tips using a simple wood stick and rolling our pure
cotton. I do not believe, we did this only for fun.

There is also mention in this document to use such wipe because you
can use it several time. In my book, it is wrong. Whatever
material you do use, use it one time and throw it away. Use a clean
one if your cleaning is not acceptable.

Also, the recommendation of cleaning agent is not correct.
Cleaning agents are different in different countries. Also the law
about chemical uses and purchases are different too. The most
important is not the cleaning agent, it is how sparely you do use it.

You do need to realize, microscopes have been build for over hundred
years. Materials and cements have changed a lot. Cements are
new, and be careful, newer microscopes have much more plastic.

The best recommendation for cleaning is : caution, caution and more
caution.

Accident happen, and service technicians are not an exception.

In 1972, I was cleaning microscopes at the Cape town University, in
South Africa, when the professor in charge asked me nicely if I
would clean his private camera. I wanted to please him and help
him. 30 sec. later, I did realized with horror, I was cleaning his
plastic lens with chloroform.

Caution, caution........

:-) emile


--- In Microscope@yahoogroups.com, "Piotr Rotkiewicz" <euplotes@...>
wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> Zeiss recommends petroleum ether (a highly volatile petroleum
fraction)
> as a good immersion oil cleaning agent:
>
>
http://www.zeiss.com/C1256F8500454979/0/C6357CD1145CCC34C125705200424
8CE/$file/thecleanmicroscope.pdf
>
> You can buy small amounts of the petroleum ether from here:
>
>
http://www.onlinesciencemall.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/vpid/1829763
/vpcsid/0/SFV/30852
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Piotr
>
> On 7/13/06, Thomas Ashcraft <ashcraft@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Often I read, including here in the microscope list message
archives,
> > that "lighter fluid" can be used for cleaning immersion oil off
of an
> > oil objective. But no one mentions a specific brand or any
further
> > cautions.
> >
> > I just got some Ronson brand lighter fluid and it doesn't list
its full
> > ingredients but does advertise that it contains naptha. It
doesn't
> > mention xylene.
> >
> > It seems to me that "lighter fluid" might be very impure so I am
> > hesitant to try it.
> >
> > So then, any further advice or specific cautions as to
using "lighter
> > fluid" for oil immersion objective cleaning?
> >
> > Thanks. - Tom
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>







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I'm new to the group and have a question about repairing an AO Spencer M10BG-H2W with a binocular head. I got this microscope at a garage sale. The guy I...
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Can't answer you questions -- sorry -- but I would note that replacement head on ebay are not all that expensive if you decide that your repair just won't...
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I certainly would NOT use superglue... It outgasses and would cloud every optical surface inside the head. I use hot glue to reattach and hold the first...
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Hi Arthur, Will hot glue work for prisms such the AO Cycloptic that has the lager prism that tends to fall off as the old adhesive ages? Gordon ... [Non-text...
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Hi Dave, Welcome to the group. I am not sure which scope that is but I think it is some Variation an AO model 10 like this on: ...
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Gordon, The appropriate cement for Cycloptic prisms is 5 Minute Epoxy. You also need a fixture to approximately position the position in the right place....
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Often I read, including here in the microscope list message archives, that "lighter fluid" can be used for cleaning immersion oil off of an oil objective. But...
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Tom, Zeiss recommends petroleum ether (a highly volatile petroleum fraction) as a good immersion oil cleaning agent: ...
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Since asking the lighter fluid question I found a company that supplies pure Xylene. $4.95 for a 1 ounce bottle. ...
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Hi Tom, Xylene dissolves Canada Balsam pretty fast. I hope you're not going to use it to clean oil immersion lenses. I've used lighter fluid for about fifty...
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Hi Don, Well, there seems to be a lot of conflicting information about cleaning immersion oil off objectives. Upon further study, I have decided that since I...
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OK guys, well I do have some spare objectives and condensers I salvaged from the cheap Edmund Scientific scopes I bought before I knew any better. So I can ...
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Don, I have always assumed that the term lighter fluid referred to shellite, which is also called coleman fuel or white spirit. My understanding is that this...
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Don, The fluid you want to use is not butane/iso-butane in butane fuel boils at 0/1-16 C. The fuel used come in a can with a flip top and is a highly...
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Don, Zeiss recommends cleaning petrol/lighter fluid, so far you're right. Zeiss especially recommends nowadays the pure light petroleum ether fraction because...
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... You can buy pure Xylene in a hardware store: costs about $4.95 for a pint. --Rane L Curl...
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He Rane, You can test the purity of the hardware store stuff by putting some in a watch glass and letting it evaporate and see if leaves any residue. Some of ...
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Try Home Depot. They often have it at about $7 a quart. -John...
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You can get in a hardware store or paint store for less than $5 a pint. ... supplies...
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My thinking when asking the original question was that lighter fluid or paint store products might be too crudely processed with residual sediments and...
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As a service technician from Carl Zeiss ( I mean, an old technician from the old school) I have to recommend caution when you read cleaning documentation...
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Hi About Cleaning see http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/anatomy/cleaning.html Regards Pär Lundqvist Sweden...
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... I would never use a chlorinated hydrocarbon. If you want to degease something, I've found Rubber Cement Thinner, which is pure Hexane (READ THE LABEL...
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... Hi John, In the quantity used for cleaning microscopes flammable is not much of a problem. Don't use the quart can they come in but a very small bottle...
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... It's boiler plate to protect my ass from lawsuits. ... Hexane must be stored in glass. Its vapor goes through poly bottles. ... I would not use Acetone on...
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I got Crown Xylol (xylene is the only listed chemical) at Lowes for $14.95 a gallon. a liftime supply :) Jay...
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The biggest problem with what to use to clean with is knowing what was recommended for your lens when it was made. There is NO one good solvent esp the more...
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Hi Jay, Take a few depression slides and clean them all the same. save on as a control. fill a different one of them with ever solvent and fluid you're ...
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Of course I meant "position the prism"!!!!! Gregg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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