The IDM perspective
(http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/introIDM.html) in regard to
meaning derivation covers the dynamics of self-referencing creating
categories of meaning. The generality of these categories (and so 'language
of the vague') maximises the accuracy of classifications. On the other hand,
the self-referencing, given depth, contributes by increasing specialist
perspectives such that the specific categories increase the possibility of,
the precision in, prediction. We see this at work in the lateralisation of
the brain with a probabilities-focused, high precision, inductive-abductive,
crisp, differentiating 'side' working with a general, hypothesis-bearing,
deductive, vague, integrating 'side'. (the 'side' emphasis hides a more
detailed perspective of the one dimension of meanings applicable to all
levels of the brain, from hemispheres to pairs of neurons, from spine to pfc
etc)

An essential feature of categories is their hierarchy and so ASYMMETRIC form
- the focus on "IS-A" links categories across superordinate/subordinate
levels. What is implied by this is the requirement for the IMP operator of
logic (Implies and so the CONDITIONAL, IF...THEN...). This operator is
associated with the dynamics of MEDIATION where such demands a SERIAL and so
SEQUENCING focus.

In the analysis of the brain overall we find an asymmetry in brain structure
where a vague bias to one hemisphere differentiating and the other
integrating brings out an anti-symmetry/symmetry relation at work across all
neuron-dependent life forms. When NEW or COMPLEX information is experienced
we find the brain will oscillate across the hemispheres to process the
information. This introduction of a SERIAL dynamic introduces us to the
realm of the IMP (implies) logic operator and so to mediation dynamics. When
we come across simple or KNOWN information we do not see these extreme
oscillations at work.

Other work (Matte-Blanco etc) in the context of interpretations of reality
introduce us to the differences of symmetric/anti-symmetric thinking versus
asymmetric thinking - the essential difference being in precision in logic
where the symmetric thinking style LACKS precision in its inability to deal
with the conditional; all meaning can not be 'logically' reduced past the
BI-conditional (IF and ONLY IF). Thus bi-logic appears as 'irrational' when
seen from an asymmetric, formal logic, position, where the fact is more that
there is a lack in precision; it is still 'logic' but not covering the
asymmetric essentials for full logic interpretations.

The symmetric thinking dynamic is one that best-fits a social species where
sameness is preferred over difference (stereotyping being a common property)
and emotional communication is through spectrum exchange and so a symmetric
operation.

Emotional intensity allows for amplification or damping of responses and so
limited dynamics focused upon an immediate, or very close to, response to a
stimulus. Thus there is a holistic, organic, dynamic present in these forms
of communication with variations in intensity (and so magnitudes) making
limited, vague,  distinctions of context. Thus PARTS analysis is made up of
discretisation and amplification of some part to then be treated AS IF a
whole - more so there is no formal categorisation level that differentiates
part from whole, they are considered interchangeable, symmetric, and so
bring out issues of metonymy/metaphor dynamics we experience with paradox
(http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/paradox.html )

It is with the development of SEQUENCING and so the SERIAL that magnitudinal
communication is refined through vectoring and so the ASYMMETRIC operator
that allows for categories to be created and used and emotional exchanges to
be given direction, force, intent, beyond their immediacy - this leads into
the formation of rigid hierarchies formed around pyramid or tree-like
structures and so a focus on SYNTAX. The development of the brain shows us
the emergence of sequencing, ordinality, well well after the emergence of
magnitudinal communications, cardinality (as raw emotions). With this
emergence of sequencing (tied to hippocampus development), so an intense
emotional, immediate, expression can be drawn-out, damped, to be more
precise but also more subtle in expression.

The movement into the serial is a movement into refining communication
through mediation and the use of symbol formation. This moves us into the
realm of the asymmetric and with that the emergence of consciousness and
languages - the latter stemming from the fact that self-referencing will,
given depth, allow a system to describe itself with reference to itself,
i.e. become autological (and potentially paradoxical) - and one thing
consciousness can do is exactly that - describe itself.

With exposure to a demanding, serialising, context, our brains will develop
a left hemisphere bias in overall control of soma and psyche. This
development reflects self-referencing through distinction-making (and so the
differentiating). Out of this comes precision and the autological trait that
serves to extend our natures beyond that of 'smart apes'. (primitive
tribes/children will be more integrated with their environment due to lack
in precision in expression and so being dependent on local context to
express themselves - all meaning is through analogy often converted to a
literal tie of self with context - as we find in the basic sense of
territory and its protection AS IF 'us')

In symmetric thinking the hierarchy necessary for syntactic dynamics is not
present (or severely limited); at best we have a nested form of hierarchy
covering web and network-like structures that allow for symmetry and so
equivalences; relationships can span logical levels etc. This realm covers
that of metaphors and their interchangability in interpreting reality, as
such it covers closed-system dynamics (conservation laws etc) and a
dumbing-down of precision for the sake of ease in social communications -
all of these being properties of post-modernism mindsets.

Implicit in all of this, and covering the 'forward' development of the brain
as well as left/right issues, is that mediation dynamics to a level of
language development through analogy-usage (where basic analogy patterns are
hard-coded into our brains as a consequence of in-depth self-referencing) is
a LATER development, emerging from the mindless levels of basic part/whole
dynamics (or more so 'local/non-local' dynamics, consideration of harmonics
of the whole etc) where those systems that oscillated across the
anti-symmetry/symmetry, aka differentiating/integrating, dichotomy moved
into problem solving through supply of CHOICES in responses to stimuli -
these being in the form of categories derived from the self-referencing when
we deal with the new/complex.

We cannot have 'full blown consciousness' WITHOUT the mediation dynamics of
our brains within a support context of massive numbers and massive
connections of neurons. The IMMEDIACY of the anti-symmetry/symmetry realm
PROHIBITS the presence of consciousness at the 'immediate', mindless,
stimulus/response levels - this being due to the interference of mediation
in the expression of a response to a stimulus. As such, the realm of
mediation is never 'complete', it is 'eternal' in that mediation is grounded
in uncertainty and has no explicit 'finish'; as do all languages that are
also uncertain - certainty is 'beyond question' and as such takes on the
form of an instinct/habit/memory, elicited by the push of context where such
allows for recall and refinement/replacement of at least a habit/memory.

A property of SYMMETRY is a sense of 'perfection' and the aggregation of
material from exposure to differences allows for the refinement of
instincts/habits through the focus on 'sameness'. Ultimately, the
establishment of 'perfection' is in direct, immediate, precise, efficient,
'true', response to context and so without 'thought', without mediation. IOW
the development of instincts/habits is a form of death for consciousness
(brought out in the fact that we habituate to sameness and so lose awareness
of such, we are over-sensitive to differences) and so the realm of mediation
is only, in principle, temporary.

THAT said, the ability to generate languages and to use imagination turns us
inwards in the development of our mediation skills for the sake of our own
survival as a mediating species; if there are no differences, no uniqueness,
we make them. To fall back on our instincts/habits realm is to fall back on
our primate natures as 'smart apes' and that leads nowhere other than back
to the forest. Thus the path of transcendence, even if only imagined, is the
path of developing consciousness and so delving into the realm of languages
where it is language that allows for transcendence. Basic mediations focused
on instinct/habits only let us transform, to 'fit in' to some existing
context as compared to asserting our own.

Chris
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/introIDM.html

C A L L    F O R    P A P E R S
                  ===============================

                        CALL  FOR  PAPERS
                              and
               Call For Workshop/Session Proposals

               The 2009 International Conference on
              Information and Knowledge Engineering
                             IKE'09

       Date and Location: July 13-16, 2009, Las Vegas, USA

You are invited to submit a paper (and/or a proposal to organize
a session/workshop).  All accepted papers will be published in the
respective conference proceedings.

SCOPE: Topics of interest include, but are not limited to, the following:

   O  Information reliability and security
   O  Information and knowledge structures
   O  Information retrieval systems
   O  Knowledge mining
   O  Knowledge management and cyber-learning
   O  Knowledge delivery methods
   O  Knowledge life cycle
   O  Knowledge and information extraction and discovery techniques
   O  Knowledge classification tools
   O  Knowledge and information management techniques
   O  Knowledge extraction from images/pictures
   O  Large-scale information processing methods
   O  Intelligent knowledge-based systems
   O  Re-usability of software/knowledge/information
   O  Aspect-oriented programming
   O  Formal and visual specification languages
   O  Decision support and expert systems
   O  e-Libraries (digital libraries) + e-Publishing
   O  Digital typography
   O  Agent-based techniques and systems
   O  Workflow management
   O  Large-scale information processing methods and systems
   O  Content management
   O  Database engineering and systems
   O  Data and knowledge fusion
   O  Data and knowledge processing
   O  Databanks - issues, methods, and standards
   O  Dataweb models and systems
   O  Data/Information/Knowledge models
   O  Data warehousing
   O  Data security and privacy issues
   O  Managing copyright laws
   O  Interoperability issues
   O  Transaction systems
   O  Ontologies and semantics
   O  Object-oriented modeling and systems
   O  Case-based reasoning
   O  Digital watermarking
   O  Classical aspects of information theory
   O  Coding theory
   O  Information geometry
   O  Quantum information theory
   O  Applications (e-Commerce, multimedia, business, banking, ...)
   O  Emerging technologies and related issues

Web links:
http://www.world-academy-of-science.org/worldcomp09/ws/conferences/ike09
http://www.world-academy-of-science.org/

ACADEMIC CO-SPONSORS:

    Currently being prepared - it will include a number of active
    research laboratories and centers that have helped to shape our
    field.  The Academic Co-Sponsors of the last offering of
    IKE included research labs at Harvard University, UCLA,
    University of Minnesota, University of Illinois at Urbana-
    Champaign, Georgia Institute of Technology, Emory University,
    University of Texas at Austin, MIT, George Mason University,
    University of Iowa, Russian Academy of Sciences, NEMO/European
    Union, and others.  Corporate Co-Sponsors included, Google,
    Salford Systems, Synplicity, Supermicro, NIIT, and others.

General Co-Chair and Coordinator:

    H. R. Arabnia, PhD
    Professor, Computer Science
    Editor-in-Chief, The Journal of Supercomputing (Springer)
    Advisory Board, IEEE Technical Committee on TCSC
    Vice President, Int'l Society of Intelligent Biological Medicine
    The University of Georgia
    Department of Computer Science
    415 Boyd Building
    Athens, Georgia 30602-7404, USA

    Tel: (706) 542-3480
    Fax: (706) 542-2966
    E-mail: hra@...

SUBMISSION OF PAPERS:

    Prospective authors are invited to submit their draft papers by
    uploading them to http://worldcomp.cviog.uga.edu/ .
    Submissions must be received by Feb. 25, 2009 and they must be in
    either MS doc or pdf formats (about 5 to 7 pages - single space,
    font size of 10 to 12).  All reasonable typesetting formats are
    acceptable (later, the authors of accepted papers will be asked to
    follow a particular typesetting format to prepare their papers for
    publication.)

    The length of the Camera-Ready papers (if accepted) will be limited
    to 7 (IEEE style) pages.  Papers must not have been previously
    published or currently submitted for publication elsewhere.  The
    first page of the draft paper should include: title of the paper,
    name, affiliation, postal address, and email address for each author.
    The first page should also identify the name of the Contact Author
    and a maximum of 5 topical keywords that would best represent the
    content of the paper.  Finally, the name of the conference (IKE)
    must be mentioned on the first page.

    Papers will be evaluated for originality, significance, clarity,
    impact, and soundness.  Each paper will be refereed by two experts
    in the field who are independent of the conference program committee.
    The referees' evaluations will then be reviewed by two members of
    the program committee who will recommend a decision to the co-chairs.
    The co-chairs will make the final decision.  Lastly, the Camera-Ready
    papers will be reviewed by one member of the program committee.

PROPOSAL FOR ORGANIZING SESSIONS/WORKSHOPS:

    Each session will have at least 6 paper presentations from
    different authors (12 papers in the case of workshops).  The
    session chairs will be responsible for all aspects of their
    sessions; including, soliciting papers, reviewing, selecting, ...
    The names of session chairs will appear as Associate Editors in
    the conference proceedings and on the cover of the books.

    Proposals to organize sessions should include the following
    information: name and address (+ email) of proposer, title of
    session, a 100-word description of the topic of the session,
    the name of the conference the session is submitted for
    consideration (ie, IKE'09), and a short description on how
    the session will be advertised (in most cases, session proposers
    solicit papers from colleagues and researchers whose work is
    known to the session proposer).  email your session proposal
    to Prof. Arabnia (address is given above).  We would like to
    receive the proposals by January 16, 2009.

IMPORTANT DATES:

    Jan.  16, 2009:    Proposals for organizing/chairing sessions/workshops
    Feb.  25, 2009:    Submission of papers (about 5 to 7 pages)
    March 25, 2009:    Notification of acceptance
    April 25, 2009:    Camera-Ready papers and Registration due
    July 13-16, 2009:  The 2009 International Conference on Information
                       and Knowledge Engineering (IKE'09)

MEMBERS OF PROGRAM AND ORGANIZING COMMITTEES:

    The Program Committee includes members of chapters of World Academy
    of Science (chapters: supercomputing; scientific computing; AI;
    imaging science; databases; simulation; software engineering;
    embedded systems; internet and web technologies; communications;
    bioinformatics; computational biology; and computer security.)
    The Program Committee for IKE is currently being formed.  Those
    interested in joining the Program Committee should email Prof. Arabnia
    (hra@...) the following information: Name, affiliation
    and position, complete mailing address, email address, a short
    biography together with research interests and the name of the
    conference (IKE) offering to help with.
    Many who have already joined the committees of individual tracks
    are renowned leaders, scholars, researchers, scientists and
    practitioners of the highest ranks; many are directors of research
    laboratories, fellows of various societies, heads/chairs of
    departments, deans and provosts.

PURPOSE / HISTORY:

    IKE'09 is an annual research conference about Information and
    Knowledge Engineering.  It is being held jointly (same location
    and dates) with a number of other conferences (WORLDCOMP'09).
    WORLDCOMP is the largest annual gathering of researchers in
    computer science, computer engineering and applied computing.

    The motivation is to assemble a spectrum of affiliated research topics
    into a coordinated meeting held in a common place at a common time.
    The main goal is to provide a forum for exchange of ideas in a number
    of research areas that interact.  The model used facilitates
    communication among researchers from all over the world in different
    fields of computer science, computer engineering and applied
    computing.  Both inward research (core areas of computer science and
    engineering) and outward research (multi-disciplinary, inter-disciplinary,
    and applications) will be covered during the event.

    IKE'09 and WORLDCOMP'09 will be composed of research presentations,
    keynote lectures, invited presentations, tutorials, panel discussions,
    and poster presentations.  In recent past, keynote and/or tutorial
    speakers included: Prof. David A. Patterson (U. of California,
    Berkeley); Prof. Michael J. Flynn (Stanford U.); Prof. John H. Holland
    (U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor); Prof. Brian D. Athey (U. of Michigan,
    Ann Arbor), Prof. H. J. Siegel (Colorado State U.); Prof. Barry Vercoe
    (MIT); Prof. Ruzena Bajcsy (U. of California, Berkeley);
    Prof. Jun Liu (Harvard U.); Dr. Jim Gettys (OLPC + developer of X
    Window); Dr. Chris Rowen (President and CEO, Tensilica, Inc.); and
    many other distinguished speakers.

LOCATION OF CONFERENCES:

    The conferences will be held in the Monte Carlo hotel, Las Vegas,
    Nevada, USA (with any overflows at other near-by hotels).  This is
    a mega hotel with excellent conference facilities and over 3,000
    rooms.  It is minutes from the airport with 24-hour shuttle
    service to and from the airport.  This hotel has many recreational
    attractions, including: waterfalls, spa, pools, sunning decks, Easy
    River, wave pool, lighted tennis courts, health spa, nightly shows,
    a number of restaurants, ...  The negotiated room rate for
    conference attendees is very reasonable.  The hotel is within
    walking distance from most other attractions (recreational
    destinations, Golf courses, ...)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MindBrain@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of barron.burrow
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 5:10 AM
> To: A Group MindBrain; EvolPsych@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Mind and Brain] Fwd: Re: 'what is the nature of God'
>
<snip>
> >
> > Delusion. The 'plate glass' is in the form of our neurology and its
> > sensory systems
>
>
> BEB: What Wheeler is drawing attention to, obviously, is the
> fact that since the advent of QM and GT physicists have come
> to recognise that it is no longer possible to argue that
> there exists a 'Newtonian' separation between the "observer"
> and observed.
>
> So although you are correct to say that "there is no 'direct
> interface' between 'in here' and 'out there'," the real
> question is whether your IDM adds anything of value.
>
> It doesn't. Because as I and many others have commented, with
> your approach it is a matter of "garbage in, garbage out."

No - it is all information in/out and the determination of 'garbage' is
local context. THAT is the generality of the categories in that there is no
distinction of real or imagined, the SAME methodology is used across ALL
interactions. To MODEL any form of information processing one MUST COVER all
aspects of such and so cover 'languages of delusion/illusion' etc etc

As covered in IDM, the focus is then on PREDICTION and the customisation of
the general into particulars. As I stated in my more recent post on
categories:

"The IDM perspective
(http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/introIDM.html) in regard to
meaning derivation covers the dynamics of self-referencing creating
categories of meaning. The generality of these categories (and so 'language
of the vague') maximises the accuracy of classifications. On the other hand,
the self-referencing, given depth, contributes by increasing specialist
perspectives such that the specific categories increase the possibility of,
the precision in, prediction. We see this at work in the lateralisation of
the brain with a probabilities-focused, high precision, inductive-abductive,
crisp, differentiating 'side' working with a general, hypothesis-bearing,
deductive, vague, integrating 'side'. (the 'side' emphasis hides a more
detailed perspective of the one dimension of meanings applicable to all
levels of the brain, from hemispheres to pairs of neurons, from spine to pfc
etc)"

> This is not the case with psycho-analysis, because it can
> distinguish between what is psychotic and what isn't. Your
> approach is replete with psychotic symbolism.
>

Psychoanalysis is a SPECIALIST perspective with its own specialist language
grounded in 19th century Austrian perspectives and so always influenced by
such. As such it is a hybrid of fiction and fact and the success of such
implies its usefulness as does the failing of such indicate it is no way the
'best' language; if it was then there would not have been alternatives that
have survived and flourished through adapting to change in research work
covering somatic and psychic development/understanding.

> A Kleinian analyst gives the following example. A man
> suddenly found that he was unable to play his violin in
> public. She interpreted that this was because he identified
> this instrument with his genital. In his unconscious, the
> violin and his penis had become indistinguishable (this being
> an instance of psychotic symbolism, so-called concrete thinking).
>

it is more so an expression of extreme anti-symmetric/symmetric thinking
where the literal and figurative lose those distinctions and become
interchangable, considered to be 'same'. The overall dynamic covers a SOCIAL
theme (unable to play in PUBLIC) and that too has a focus on symmetry and
issues with emotions and lack of differentiating skills in some context. The
interpretation of mapping genitals to instrument is demonstration of the use
of metaphor that may or may not be valid.

> The difference in your case is that your visual system
> 'sticks' (at an unconscious level) excessively to the
> breast-mother, and then it relates to IDM as an "ideal" (from
> Gr. idein, "to see") substitute for her. With the result that
> you constantly alternate between "observation" and exhibitionism.
>

Your focus on vision brings out your symmetric bias in thinking (seeded by
your dependence on psychoanalysis with ITS focus on symmetric dynamics
covering social consciousness and dream work - ALL lacking precision in that
they are not reducable past the BI-conditional of logic) Your symmetry bias
lacks precision in such (demonstrated by your problems in dealing with
mathematics etc) and so blocks development of your ontology.

> The technical term for excessive "observation" is scopophilia
> (as in looking up porn on the Net). Observation and
> exhibitionism are obverse sides of the same syndrome.
>
> Freud writes, "In scopophilia and exhibitionism the eye
> corresponds to an erotogenic zone," (The Theory of Sexuality
> (1905). When the oculo-motor system sticks inordinately to
> the mother's skin in the second-dimension, the result is that
> it can then only relate to "ideal" substitutes for her, such as IDM.
>

LOL! - the attraction of the visual system in dealing with reality is its
immediacy - even though it lacks precision when compared, say, to audition
and so the spoken/written word. These differences introduce us to immediate
gratification vs delayed gratification covering all levels of gratification
- sexual, intellectual etc etc.

> Symptom-formation, as Freud points out, can have a crucial
> visual function in that the zone in which the initial cause
> excites the body is displaced onto another zone of the body -
> "the formation of the symptoms takes place in regions of the
> mental apparatus which are more remote from the particular
> centres concerned with somatic control." He goes on to note,
> "in scopophilia and exhibitionism, the eye corresponds to the
> erotogenic zone". Ocularcentrism becomes the obsessional
> repetition and the substitute satisfaction of this displaced
> zone of the eye from its original site of disturbance;
> opticality is reconfigured in its excessive function through
> visual plenitude (ie, IDM fills your whole field of vision).
>

IDM covers all sensory systems in that it looks at what is SAME across
sensory systems and so what the neurology deals with in GENERAL prior to any
specialisations. Thus we cover wholes, parts, static relationships, dynamic
relationships in all contexts, THEN comes specialisation.

> Those in whom psychotic symbolism predominates live in a
> bizarre delusional world, unintelligible to others, in the
> absence of psycho-analytical insight.
>

LOL! - so we are all mad except those grounded in psychoanalysis! - you need
help BB. You show the mania/paranoia that can come out of specialist
perspectives when they fail to cover the 'full spectrum' of meaning.
Psychoanalysis is now 'delusion' in that it is a specialist perspective WAY
WAY past its best-before/use-by date.

> That is what Dr Chris King meant when he recently said of
> your approach:
>
>
>  "I respect that you sincerely want to investigate mind
> and the mind brain problem and that you are interested in it
> and have written on it from a certain perspective, but if you
> are going to fulfil these noble aims it requires a modicum of
> scientific honesty....
>

King is deluded due to a mis-guided knee-jerk reaction to the material and
outright refusal to cover the references etc as if to do so may 'corrupt'
his current mindset (IDM can be destabilising ;-)). You should spend some
time on his list to experience his 'issues' (just be wary, if he does not
like what your write, if he feels it in any way makes him look foolish he
will moderate you out but continue to comment through rhetoric alone - not
very representative of 'unbiased', scientific, discussion where it is
references that support assertions, not rhetoric). In fact you SHOULD join
that list since King's hobby is research on sex so it might make you feel at
home'! LOL!

><snip>
>
>  You need to devise for yourself a careful test that
> would make your construction false, show it to everyone else,
> confirm from them that it could refute your theory and then
> completely fail to be able to do it and persuade everyone
> that no one else can either. That's science!


This is already on the web but he has refused to consider it, totally
misunderstanding the identified isomorphism across dichotomies that allow
us, for example, to use one set of categories derived from self-referencing
to elicit meaning in the form of another set of categories. The Emotional I
Ching (http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/Emotional/homep.html ) does
this, and it is testable, falsifiable, repeatable but he has failed to
comprehend that. The above paragraph of his demonstrates CLEARLY someone not
prepared to follow links and trying to fly by the seat their pants -
shameful stuff for someone supposedly with a PhD in mathematics and a member
of an academic community and so teaching our young!

>  >
>  > This IS the last syllable of recorded time.  I'm not
> responding any further on this claim or this issue.
>

wrong. He kept responding both in public and in private, and firstly we have
the blocking of my reply to that post and the fact that angel sent King's
post here (mindbrain) without my response and so manifest a bias in
perspectives where the posting to this list was out of context and so
misleading. King has some issues and as such is protecting himself from the
possible emergence of those issues - so I would take what he writes with a
HUGE grain of salt.

(I suggest a review of the public interactions in the archives of his list)

>
> Many have said the same thing as King is saying here. I have
> merely added a Kleinian explanation.
>
> It's unlikely to help, however, just because once someone is
> trapped in a psychotic loop....that's where they tend to remain.
>

This describes your problem BB, your unable to move on, YOUR stuck in a 19th
century mindset/language.

Chris
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/introIDM.html

> -----Original Message-----
> From: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MindBrain@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris lofting
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 12:18 PM
> To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Mind and Brain] Fwd: Re: 'what is the nature of God'
>
<snip>
> > A Kleinian analyst gives the following example. A man
> > suddenly found that he was unable to play his violin in
> > public. She interpreted that this was because he identified
> > this instrument with his genital. In his unconscious, the
> > violin and his penis had become indistinguishable (this being
> > an instance of psychotic symbolism, so-called concrete thinking).
> >
>
> it is more so an expression of extreme
> anti-symmetric/symmetric thinking
> where the literal and figurative lose those distinctions and become
> interchangable, considered to be 'same'. The overall dynamic
> covers a SOCIAL
> theme (unable to play in PUBLIC) and that too has a focus on
> symmetry and
> issues with emotions and lack of differentiating skills in
> some context. The
> interpretation of mapping genitals to instrument is
> demonstration of the use
> of metaphor that may or may not be valid.
>

To flesh this out a bit more, the social being bias of symmetric thinking
comes with properties grounded in integrating and so covering issues of
trust/dis-trust in OTHERS. It is a realm where betrayal by others plays a
big part and the dominating raw emotions cover fear, grief, rejection, and
anticipation of wrong doing. (the more generic categories for symmetric
thinking cover identity seeking and security seeking, the latter heavily
into control issues).

The REFINEMENT of these raw emotions will elicit devotion to others from
fear, discernment from grief, protection (rejecting) from rejection, and
cultivation (anticipation of right doing) from anticipation of wrong doing.

The social element is in the context where the more symmetry-thinking will
serve that context, coexist with others and so be cooperative over being
competitive WITHIN the boundaries that define the symmetry.

This dependence on LOCAL context to assert identity, where one gets identity
through family/church/football-club/philosophical-outlook, brings out the
serving of the context and so the 'demand' for sameness and to 'fit in'.
Issues will then be grounded in this dynamic.

When we move to asymmetric thinking and so an increase in expression of
personal consciousness, we move from fitting in to an existing context to
setting up of one's own. This movement comes with fragmentation and its
associated disorders (e.g. schizophrenia, as compared to the depression bias
of the symmetry-focused realm)

Enjoy your depression BB. ;-)

Chris
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/introIDM.html

> -----Original Message-----
> From: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MindBrain@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Cecil
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 8:38 PM
> To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Mind and Brain] Fwd: Re: 'what is the nature of God'
>
<snip>
>
> And, to that extent, this approach bears a great deal of
> similarity with what is referred to as the "ABC Theory of
> Consciousness"; that is, a temporarily successful formulation
> by a 'thinker' before the entire construct slips into the
> 'waters' of the 'unconscious'.
>
> Michael Cecil
>

Your problem, MC, and BB and CK for that matter, is that your attacks upon
me and IDM neglect the fact that the IDM material is testable and has been
implemented in the deceptively simple Emotional I Ching (EIC) work -
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/Emotional/homep.html. The feedback so
far has been exceptionally good in this simple program doing exactly what it
claims to do - elicit a representation of a situation/persona etc in the
form of I Ching hexagrams through a translation of an emotional assessment
of that situation/persona; the ability to do so validating the IDM
perspective covering the ONE set of categories we use to derive meaning at
the neurological level is beneath all 'unique' dichotomy-derived assessments
of reality. By understanding this sameness we can use one perspective to
elicit a representation from another perspective where the form of that
representation allows us to derive more details about the situation as a
whole (a dynamic manifest in scientific models in the form of mathematical
representations - another area investigated by IDM to bring out the core
neurological roots of numbers etc)

If all of what IDM proposes was FALSE then there is no way in the world the
EIC could work. But it does work. Is it 'vague' in such? sure is in that as
a "Language of the Vague" it covers the sameness behind all differences but
there is enough detail present to elicit 'meaning' and that is the point
about IDM, it covers the source of meaning for all neuron-dependent life
forms. In that discovery is the recognition of language creation only with
DEPTH in self-referencing where such brings out the use of analogy/metaphor
to derive/communicate meaning - this discovery possible through a detailed
analysis of such dichotomy-derived systems as the I Ching, MBTI etc etc etc.

In addition to the basic EIC material is the XOR method that brings out high
details not covered in the last 3000 years of traditional IC work simply
because the originators and later researchers had no idea about the
discovered property of self-referencing that made any system derived from
self-referencing autological (self-describing through use of analogies to
self).  The fact of the non-discovery of the XOR method is in the countless
number of interpretations of the I Ching where no-one has understood the
ability of the IC to interpret itself simply because they were stuck
'inside' the traditionalist, 10th century BC, mindset of the IC; apply some
science and out comes all sorts of valuable material as there also comes
'correcting' of traditionalist, magic/random, methods in using the IC etc.

The IDM point is that this XOR method is a method of self-referencing and
not something unique to the IC. Thus a whole new world of analysis opens up
in considering the dynamics of self-referencing systems (one of which is DNA
dynamics; there is also the application to such persona typologies as the
MBTI and so bringing out the depth of encoding of behaviours in individuals
at the generic, unconscious, levels).

YOUR perspective MC, and BBs perspective, and Leon's perspective, are
specialist forms of the ONE form used at the unconscious level of our being
- as such your perspectives are all specialist metaphors for what the brain
deals with, patterns of differentiating/integrating where such seed all
language development in attempts to mediate with 'reality' ('real' or
'imagined'). Being specialist they reflect 'small world' network
perspectives where local context has customised expressions of
neuron-derived universals, and so some are marginalised, other amplified etc
etc and so present distorted perspectives, parts, attempting to be wholes;
your often-presented bias to symmetric thinking alone brings out your
failure in producing a perspective that covers the full spectrum of our
being; something that IDM can aid in development in its identification of
all that is POSSIBLE from a meanings perspective and so identifying areas
you have left-out of your model.

What all of this does is introduce ego problems in that it shows the lack of
originality of your thought - the LABELS may be different and so the
language 'original' but what is being communicated is 'same' if but
distorted due to lack of understanding the full spectrum of meaning. That
said, the uniqueness of the personal perspective can contribute some
important aspect of reality not considered until now - this covers the
maximising of the species bandwidth through development of unique
consciousness in each member of the species. This manifesting the singular
nature of our being where we operate like Darwin's mutation, introducing
choices at local context levels and so 'scrambling' determinism to bring out
what we call 'free will' - so now we have moved from natural selection to
conscious selection operating 24/7 in our brains.

Chris
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/introIDM.html

Angell,

I re-read the discussion and don't know what to expand on of my latest post
as "MY POINT". I don't want to go into the sex life of mosquitoes<G>, but
did not find the 'missing point' in reading -your -my -your -my  posts and
am afraid if I try to add to it, it gets more convoluted. I am not for the
"brain only" position, but have no idea what else to think of (not
supernatural, of course) as additional function(ing)s which - maybe - we
don't yet even know of. The mystery of the hard problem. -
Translating blood-flow, chemicals and electric data into topical mental
content. E.g.:
Protein conformational changes etc. - topically coded as recallable memory -
and then recall it (somehow) for use.

John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Angell O. de la Sierra, Esq." <Dr.d@...>
To: <MindBrain@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:50 PM
Subject: [Mind and Brain] Re: A New "Hard Problem" & the Three Dimensions of
Consciousness




--- In MindBrain@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM" <jamikes@...> wrote: ".. but
in thinking I try to overstep the obsolete "material only" views, even
if it is a startup and the words are still missing to explain it."

       Jamikes, I don't follow your point. Can you expand on it? I am not
suggesting to invest exclusively on practical solutions to immediate
human problems at the expense of abstract modeling iff the latter is
connected somehow to future solutions. The sex proclivities of young
mosquitos during the summer solstice in southern wetlands of continental
USA is only important if it can be correlated with a current or
anticipated human issue.

Angell


>
> Angell,
> a beautiful blurb, indeed. (btw I accept that serotonin, tryptophan,
> melatonin are effective chemical agents on the functioning of the tool
we
> call brain, just as an octane-number increasing additive to the
gasoline
> boosts the performance of a car - none can claim the role in
originating (1)
> the thought (2) the travelling by car.
> I don't know what is involved in (1), but in (2) a driver is necessary
(even
> if it is an automaton.)
> I propose an exercise, if you have spare time on your hand:
> try to transcribe your par. into a language of ~1850 and try to do the
same
> into the language of ~2300AD (which is impossible) and it will show
that our
> Nov. 29 2008 position based text is not the "absolute truth".
> Ontological reality? based on how we imagine today (for the past 3000
> years?) the material world, a figment from explaining poorly
(mis)understood
> partial phenomena in the epistemic (why poetry?) level of the
cognitive
> inventory as it changed over the millennia. I don't argue with the
medical
> (medicinal?) findings, I turn to them when I had too much turkey, for
help,
> but in thinking I try to overstep the obsolete "material only" views,
even
> if it is a startup and the words are still missing to explain it.
>
> Ontology is based on the obsolete, epistemology is enriching our
> information.
>
> A: "We owe it to ourselves and others to root our explanations on
reality,
> on solid,
> falsifiable data when possible;..."
> And where do you take 'reality' from? the explanatory figments over a
> development of millennia? Assumptions based on assumptions of
assumptions?
> Axioms which are necessary so the 'system' works? Paradoxes accepted?
and
> the ubiquitous/ominous SOMEHOW? I asked lately about the
neuron-transmitted
> milliamp marked "I was hungry yesterday", but nobody could show it as
a lead
> to the hard problem.
> We live in a 'perceived reality', a personally formatted
mini-solipsism,
> spread over minds (and all of them formatting it into their own 1st
person
> understanding).
>
> Sorry, that all came out from me under the influence of the
> turkey-chemicals.
>
> John M
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dr. Angell O. de la Sierra, Esq." Dr.d@...
> To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:09 AM
> Subject: [Mind and Brain] Re: A New "Hard Problem" & the Three
Dimensions of
> Consciousness
>
>
>
>
> --- In MindBrain@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM" jamikes@ wrote: ".. So
> IMO 'falsifiable (incomplete?) clinical data do not supersede abstract
> schemata: None has absolute credibility or exclusivity Angell,..."
>
>
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\
> ----------------
>
> Jamikes and all, hope you all had a nice load of turkey tryptophan,
> serotonin and melatonin and are now awake from the toxic slumber to
> appreciate how we must minimize the neurochemically-mediated stupor of
> ego-centered abstractions and instead keep the human species in dead
> center as the proper focus of our search for whatever may be called
> truth. From Hume we learn that sense-phenomenal ontological reality
> begets the epistemological poetry that explodes into being in the
> theoreticians febrile minds. We owe it to ourselves and others to root
> our explanations on reality on solid, falsifiable data when possible;
> and many a times this may have to be a low granularity clinical
finding
> or worse, a first person report from an experimental subject or the
> shadowy diagnosis from X-ray shadows or the colorful rainbows in fMRI
> tracings :-). In our field we say 'stimulation or ablation' will
> confirm or deny a correlation. This description has to be the initial
> stage of any further explanation of what's in the black box between
the
> falsifiable action and the consequent measured response. As long as
your
> brainstorm kite is held under control by your steady hand-held string
> (however long), we can dream.... and life is a dream..... but many
> people suffer and die while our best minds dream and their kites
gyrate
> out of control from a non-steady hand. Man is the measure of all
things
> ontologically real and epistemologically unreal.... Dr.d
>
<Snip>

And, to that extent, this approach [IDM] bears a great deal of

similarity with what is referred to as the "ABC Theory of

Consciousness"; that is, a temporarily successful formulation

by a 'thinker' before the entire construct slips into the

'waters' of the 'unconscious'.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MindBrain@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Cecil
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 9:34 PM
> To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Mind and Brain] Fwd: Re: 'what is the nature of God'
>
<snip>
> But such an analysis also suggests a remedy.
>
> I 'think' you need to read more poetry and novels, listen to
> more music, learn more about how to appreciate art, watch the
> video of the dance entitled "Stolen Kiss" by Michael Flatley,
> a link for which is on my website on consciousness.
>

I was raised in an 'artistic' environment as I was a 'scientific'
environment so I cover the full spectrum ;-) - you just haven't read my
poetry or listened to my music. What is noteworthy is the lack of precision
that comes out of the 'artistic' environment but also the ability, using the
scientific, to refine that precision. To reject one for the other ensures
failure in understanding what is going on; to push for the female reflects
failure to understand the direction-setting of the male; the schizoid is
surrendered for the cycloid and so depression where the former can aid in
lifting the depression as the latter can aid in grounding the former.

> In other words, you need more of the feminine in your
> perspective in an attempt to balance out the exclusive
> perspective of the masculine dimension of thought; which, in
> other contexts, I have suggested is misogynist.
>

LOL! been there, done that, moved on. See the IDM work on emotions and
meaning (see case study draft in
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/categoriesPractice.pdf ) - or
even play with the Emotional I Ching
(http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/Emotional/homep.html )

The conscious being is context-sensitive and so able to be 'male' or
'female' depending on context - this a refinement of the limitations of hard
coding male/female - IOW consciousness reflects continued development of
being but now in the more 'efficient' form of psyche over soma (and so
psyche can 'remodel' soma (genetic engineering etc)

Chris
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/introIDM.html

>Mcecil: 2) The "observing consciousness" is
> Created `by and in the image of  God' (Genesis
> 1:27); while the consciousness of the `thinker' and the
> `unconscious' comprise, together, the
> `fallen'consciousness.

  DM: If 'God' only created 'observing consciousness', surely he knew the
   consequences.

   **Of course.

DM: Why 'fallen' consciousness and egos if they are not a part of God's creative
strategy?

mcecil: **There was no alternative.

mcecil: **The consciousness with which man was Created by
  God  HAD to be lost in the emergence of self-awareness.

DM: One starts out with 'observing consciousness'created by 'God'in the Old
Testament only to return to it later(after a series of illusions such as the
trials of Job and the crucifixion) in the New Testament resurrection, a
pointless exercise. Why no alternative? What is the nature
of consciousness such that there is no alternative but to pass through
suffering?

>mcecil: The Vision of the "Son of man" and the Revelation of the
>"resurrection" demonstrate that one can have a recurrence of that
>consciousness, as is cryptically referred to by Jesus in
> the Gospel of Thomas.

DM: Are unconscious choices acts of free will?

mcecil: **How can any individual have free will if God has
free Will?

  **It is an illusion.

**Nothing can occur outside the Will of God.

DM: Then any wrong we do is not the result of our free
will, since as you hve said, we really have no free will.
Any suffering we experience is not our cause but ultimately
'Gods' cause. The buck stops at God. Why should I be
miserable, its not my fault.

There are those who say that God has given us fee will, yet
these same people claim that if you do not obey Him, He will
send you to hell. What kind of free will is that? Does that
not make a mockery of God- to say nothing of any sort of
true relationship between us and Him?

If God has a way He wants me to be, why didn't He
simply create me that way to begin with? Why all this
struggle for me to overcome who I am in order for me to
become what God wants me to be? We are mocking God when we
say that God made inherently imperfect beings, then
demanding us to be perfect or face damnation.

Then, several thousand years later He relented , saying
that from then on you didn't necessarily have to be
good, you simply had to feel bad when  you were not being
good, and accept as your savior the One Being who would
always be perfect, thus satisfying His hunger for
perfection. Are we say Jesus-who we call the Perfect One-has
saved us from your own imperfection- the imperfection God
gave us?

In other words, God's Son has saved us from what His
Father did?

>  Michael Cecil

Donald Morisson

> >
> > Even though the idea of "observer consciousness" -- as the ubiquitous
> > and eternal ground of all subsequent states of consciousness (of
> > which there are many more than Michael has claimed)
>
> Name one.
>
> I would suggest that anything that you name fits under the category of
> what I would refer to as the 'classical' consciousness.

> Michael Cecil

1) non-human consciousness

2) expansion of consciousness

3) group consciousness (zeitgeist)

4) trans-species consciousness

5) dreams, reverie, imagination as associative processes, not linear/rational
thought

6) cellular consciousness

7) awareness of future events

...etc.

Donald Morisson3rd

----- Original Message -----

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To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:12 AM

Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Mind and Brain] Fwd: Re: 'what is the nature of God'

It occurs to me that IDM being so easily programmable should be the basis of AI.
Chris , has this been done and if not, why not?

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MindBrain@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of yanniru@...
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 10:12 PM
> To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Mind and Brain] Fwd: Re: 'what is the nature of God'
>
> It occurs to me that IDM being so easily programmable should
> be the basis of AI.
> Chris , has this been done and if not, why not?
>
>

The Emotional I Ching is the first example of implementing the ideas in
software. It works through resonance and so brings out the communication of
meaning through a shared resource, our emotions, where the categories of
that resource are derived from self-referencing properties of the neurology.

The self-referencing of fight/flight will lead to a finer and finer levels
of interdigitation of the elements of the dichotomy - something we find
encoded into the 'surface' of the amygdala etc.

This ability to transpose emotional assessments of a situation into a
yin/yang assessment and derivation of a complex representation of that
situation brings out the ability to assess a context and communicate a
complex set of data from that original assessment due to the underlying
categories being hard coded into all of us but to varying degrees due to
genetics and exposure to environmental pressures.

The IDEA of IDM IS to set a ground for meaning derivation in AI systems as
it is to introduce a 'meaning 101' course for understanding the development
of specialist perspectives from the ONE set of general categories.

With the emotional I Ching we extract vague, VERY general emotional states
from answers to very general questions and convert them to yin/yang
assessments due to the isomorphism of these dichotomies. The XOR material
extends this in that each category, due to being derived from
self-referencing, is able to extract fine details through use of analogy to
all of the other categories in the 'language'. Thus given one of 64
categories we can extract another 63 properties through analogy to all of
the categories; and this reflects the hard coding' of these patterns as part
of the self-referencing process.

Due to the isomorphism of dichotomies we can replace any dichotomy with the
generic 1/0 dichotomy and that gives us access to logic operators that allow
us to extract the details (decompress data where the six bits of a hexagram
reflect high compression of data and so order a la dynamics of Kolmogorov
complexity) - as IDM shows, those six bits are also translatable into
representations of wave patterns and so map to the language of the neuron -
pulse/wave dynamics (FM/AM etc)

Chris.
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/introIDM.html


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Cecil <mececil@...>
> To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 5:34 am
> Subject: [Mind and Brain] Fwd: Re: 'what is the nature of God'
>
>
>
> --- In MindBrain@yahoogroups.com, "chris lofting" <lofting@...> wrote:
>
> > > And, to that extent, this approach bears a great deal of
> similarity
> > > with what is referred to as the "ABC Theory of
> Consciousness"; that
> > > is, a temporarily successful formulation by a 'thinker'
> before the
> > > entire construct slips into the 'waters' of the 'unconscious'.
> > >
> > > Michael Cecil
> > >
> >
> > Your problem, MC, and BB and CK for that matter, is that
> your attacks
> > upon me
>
> Speaking for myself, Chris: not at all.
>
> Nothing I wrote was intended to be an attack upon you.
>
> (In fact, this is why I challenged the term "psychotic" as
> being inaccurate: it appeared to be, to a certain degree, an
> expression of animus.)
>
> An attack on IDM (whatever that is), yes.
>
> But not on you.
>
> I bear no animus toward you.
>
> None.
>
> Seriously.
>
> Rather, I attempted to write a clear and objective assessment
> of your writing.
>
> And, in response (below), you demonstrated what I meant when
> I wrote that, rather than saying "What a beautiful sunrise",
> the consciousness of the 'thinker' would, instead, erupt into
> a discourse (on the elements of such a sunrise from a
> scientific perspective).
>
> But such an analysis also suggests a remedy.
>
> I 'think' you need to read more poetry and novels, listen to
> more music, learn more about how to appreciate art, watch the
> video of the dance entitled "Stolen Kiss" by Michael Flatley,
> a link for which is on my website on consciousness.
>
> In other words, you need more of the feminine in your
> perspective in an attempt to balance out the exclusive
> perspective of the masculine dimension of thought; which, in
> other contexts, I have suggested is misogynist.
>
> By the way, when I mentioned the woman who was continually
> turning pages of a dictionary looking for meaning, that was
> not said with anything approachi ng disgust or contempt.
> Rather, my heart went out to her because of what she must
> have suffered to motivate such a behavior. I have had
> sufficient experience with counseling to know that behaviors
> which are so seriously unbalanced originate in attempts to
> protect oneself from sorrow and painful experiences.
>
> They are desperate, but eminently understandable attempts;
> but they have merely a temporary utility.
>
> Ultimately, they turn out to be unsuccessful; at which time
> there is hell to pay. And that hell is worse the longer it has gone on
>
> I can only wish you the best in your efforts to come to a
> more inclusive understanding of all of the dimensions of
> human consciousness...
>
> And this statement is not intended to be a cue for the next
> step of any argument.
>
> Michael Cecil
>
> >and IDM neglect the fact that the IDM material is testable
> and has been
> >implemented in the deceptively simple Emotional I Ching
> (EIC) work -
> >http://members <http://members/>
> >.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/Emotional/homep.html. The feedback
> so  far has
> >been exceptionally good in this simple program doing exactly
> what it
> >claims to do - elicit a representation of a situation/persona etc in
> >the  form of I Ching hexagrams through a translation of an emotional
> >assessment  of that situation/persona; the ability to do so
> validating
> >the IDM  perspective covering the ONE set of categories we use to
> >derive meaning at  the neurological level is beneath all 'unique'
> >dichotomy-derived assessments  of reality. By understanding this
> >sameness we can use one perspective to  elicit a representation from
> >another perspective where the form of that  representation
> allows us to
> >derive more details about the situation as a  whole (a
> dynamic manifest
> >in scientific models in the form of mathematical  representations -
> >another area investigated by IDM to bring out the core  neurological
> >roots of numbers etc)
> >
> > If all of what IDM proposes was FALSE then there is no way in the
> > world the EIC could work. But it does work. Is it 'vague' in such?
> > sure is in that as a "Language of the Vague" it covers the sameness
> > behind all differences but there is enough detail present to elicit
> > 'meaning' and that is the point about IDM, it covers the source of
> > meaning for all neuron-dependent life forms. In that
> discovery is the
> > recognition of language creation only with DEPTH in
> self-referencing
> > where such brings out the use of analogy/metaphor to
> > derive/communicate meaning - this discovery possible
> through a detailed analysis of such dichotomy-derived systems
> as the I Ching, MBTI etc etc etc.
> >
> > In addition to the basic EIC material is the XOR method that brings
> > out high details not covered in the last 3000 years of
> traditional IC
> > work simply because the originators and later researchers
> had no idea
> > about the discovered property of self-referencing that made
> any system
> > derived from self-referencing autological (self-describing
> through use
> > of analogies to self). The fact of the non-discovery of the
> XOR method
> > is in the countless number of interpretations of the I Ching where
> > no-one has understood the ability of the IC to interpret
> itself simply
> > because they were stuck 'inside' the traditionalist, 10th
> century BC,
> > mindset of the IC; apply some science and out comes all sorts of
> > valuable material as there also comes 'correcting' of
> traditionalist, magic/random, methods in using the IC etc.
> >
> > The IDM point is that this XOR method is a method of
> self-referencing
> > and not something unique to the IC. Thus a whole new world
> of analysis
> > opens up in considering the dynamics of self-referencing
> systems (one
> > of which is DNA dynamics; there is also the application to such
> > persona typologies as the MBTI and so bringing out the depth of
> > encoding of behaviours in individuals at the generic,
> unconscious, levels).
> >
> > YOUR perspective MC, and BBs perspective, and Leon's
> perspective, are
> > specialist forms of the ONE form used at the unconscious
> level of our
> > being
> > - as such your perspectives are all specialist metaphors
> for what the
> > brain deals with, patterns of differentiating/integrating
> where such
> > seed all language development in attempts to mediate with 'reality'
> > ('real' or 'imagined'). Being specialist they reflect 'small world'
> > network perspectives where local context has customised
> expressions of
> > neuron-derived universals, and so some are marginalised, other
> > amplified etc etc and so present distorted perspectives, parts,
> > attempting to be wholes; your often-presented bias to symmetric
> > thinking alone brings out your failure in producing a
> perspective that
> > covers the full spectrum of our being; something that IDM
> can aid in
> > development in its identification of all that is POSSIBLE from a
> > meanings perspective and so identifying areas you have
> left-out of your model.
> >
> > What all of this does is introduce ego problems in that it
> shows the
> > lack of originality of your thought - the LABELS may be
> different and
> > so the language 'original' but what is being communicated
> is 'same' if
> > but distorted due to lack of understanding the full spectrum of
> > meaning. That said, the uniqueness of the personal perspective can
> > contribute some important aspect of reality not considered
> until now -
> > this covers the maximising of the species bandwidth through
> > development of unique consciousness in each member of the species.
> > This manifesting the singular nature of our being where we operate
> > like Darwin's mutation, introducing choices at local context levels
> > and so 'scrambling' determinism to bring out what we call
> 'free will'
> > - so now we have moved from natural s election to conscious
> selection operating 24/7 in our brains.
> >
> > Chris
> > http://members <http://members/>
> > .iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/introIDM.html
> >
>
>
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So no AI application of IDM? Why not?


-----Original Message-----
From: chris lofting <lofting@...>
To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 4:49 pm
Subject: RE: [Mind and Brain] Fwd: Re: 'what is the nature of God'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MindBrain@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of yanniru@...
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 10:12 PM
> To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Mind and Brain] Fwd: Re: 'what is the nature of God'
>
> It occurs to me that IDM being so easily programmable should
> be the basis of AI.
> Chris , has this been done and if not, why not?
>
>

The Emotional I Ching is the first example of implementing the ideas in
software. It works through resonance and so brings out the communication of
meaning through a shared resource, our emotions, where the categories of
that resource are derived from self-referencing properties of the neurology.

The self-referencing of fight/flight will lead to a finer and finer levels
of interdigitation of the elements of the dichotomy - something we find
encoded into the 'surface' of the amygdala etc.

This ability to transpose emotional assessments of a situation into a
yin/yang assessment and derivation of a complex representation of that
situation brings out the ability to assess a context and communicate a
complex set of data from that original assessment due to the underlying
categories being hard coded into all of us but to varying degrees due to
genetics and exposure to environmental pressures.

The IDEA of IDM IS to set a ground for meaning derivation in AI systems as
it is to introduce a 'meaning 101' course for understanding the development
of specialist perspectives from the ONE set of general categories.

With the emotional I Ching we extract vague, VERY general emotional states
from answers to very general questions and convert them to yin/yang
assessments due to the isomorphism of these dichotomies. The XOR material
extends this in that each category, due to being derived from
self-referencing, is able to extract fine details through use of analogy to
all of the other categories in the 'language'. Thus given one of 64
categories we can extract another 63 properties through analogy to all of
the categories; and this reflects the hard coding' of these patterns as part
of the self-referencing process.

Due to the isomorphism of dichotomies we can replace any dichotomy with the
generic 1/0 dichotomy and that gives us access to logic operators that allow
us to extract the details (decompress data where the six bits of a hexagram
reflect high compression of data and so order a la dynamics of Kolmogorov
complexity) - as IDM shows, those six bits are also translatable into
representations of wave patterns and so map to the language of the neuron -
pulse/wave dynamics (FM/AM etc)

Chris.
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/introIDM.html

<Snip>

The secret sex signals in human sweat

 
A young Chinese couple dance to techno music on Saturday night in the gay club "Destination", Peking
Image: Flore–Ael Suran/Tendance Floue

> -----Original Message-----
> From: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MindBrain@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of yanniru@...
> Sent: Thursday, 4 December 2008 10:14 AM
> To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Mind and Brain] Fwd: Re: 'what is the nature of God'
>
> So no AI application of IDM? Why not?
>
>

There is just me dude - self-funded and out on the periphery - the usual
place where new, innovative ideas come from ;-)

To go beyond my current state requires organisation, hiring of people
(programmers etc), hardware (fast servers etc) etc etc and so capital and
lots of it. I do not have access to such research funding as this:

http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/26123.wss

I therefore have to focus on the simple tasks to demonstrate what IDM
covers, and so the Emotional I Ching as an example of basic emotional
resonance and from that work the XOR dynamic that shows how analogies are
grounded in hard-coded patterns we then use to communicate complexity
immediately, intuitively, holistically (and so the parallel).

I earn a living working in IT as an analyst but nothing to do with the IDM
work (although I use IDM when processing data - it aids in understanding
quickly since all expressions, no matter how 'novel', utilise the IDM
categories in their communication. As such I get a reputation as a
'generalist' and so able to deal with anything that pops up - I can wear
many hats due to the understanding that comes with IDM comprehension - it is
'vague' but that is all that is required to pick things up quickly)

If you want to contribute to the cause then click on the 'donate' button on
the EIC page (http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/Emotional/homep.html )
- but play with the EIC first to 'get' what is being dealt with ;-)

The most important material is the XOR material in that it shows how
language first emerges as analogy-making (aka pattern-matching) and it
covers the basic categories of meaning seeding all local context
expressions. The identified property of self-referencing has not come up
before and so is a contribution to our understanding of the methodology and
how such order can come out of chaos (as covered in the chaos game). If I
was an academic that would be PhD material ;-)

The IDM template is a 'language of the vague' and is the first step away
from 'wholeness' and into aspects/details processing - as such it sits on
the border of symmetric/anti-symmetric (aka whole/part) and the
self-referencing brings out the asymmetry involved (mediation dynamics that
elicit the categories and from there languages)

As we move into details (aspects of wholes) so we use labels to re-label
categories to fit to some context (e.g. wholeA = chris, wholeB = yanni etc
etc - we see here the emergence of categories used in linguistics from
categories grounded in the neurology and relabelled for the specialisation
of linguistics).

Just as XML is a language used to allow communication across proprietary
systems without needing to know the insides of those systems, so IDM does
the same in that beneath all of the many unique labels derived from
specialist perspectives is the sameness of the neurology and so the
isomorphism of dichotomies and their relationships in hierarchies - and so I
can substitute 0/1 dichotomy for any dichotomy and get access to logic
operators to manipulate data. DIFFERENT labels SAME categories DIFFERENT
contexts.

From the AI perspective I have a quick pickup mechanism for assessing a
situation in high detail given just a few dichotomies covering that
situation (or more so the layering of one dichotomy from general to
particular in that this hierarchy is essential for understanding). The
movement from general to particular in six to twelve dichotomies deep gives
a LOT of details and THEN there is the ability to extract even more through
analogy-making where the core patterns are hard-coded due to the
self-referencing.

Note if we use a different assessment dichotomy it is translatable into an
emotional expression but that will require careful in-depth analysis to
modulate that expression - initially it could be too overwhelming and so
'child-like' ;-)

Chris
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/introIDM.html

> -----Original Message-----
> From: chris lofting <lofting@...>
> To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 4:49 pm
> Subject: RE: [Mind and Brain] Fwd: Re: 'what is the nature of God'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:MindBrain@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of yanniru@...
> > Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 10:12 PM
> > To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Mind and Brain] Fwd: Re: 'what is the nature of God'
> >
> > It occurs to me that IDM being so easily programmable should be the
> > basis of AI.
> > Chris , has this been done and if not, why not?
> >
> >
>
> The Emotional I Ching is the first example of implementing
> the ideas in software. It works through resonance and so
> brings out the communication of meaning through a shared
> resource, our emotions, where the categories of that resource
> are derived from self-referencing properties of the neurology.
>
> The self-referencing of fight/flight will lead to a finer and
> finer levels of interdigitation of the elements of the
> dichotomy - something we find encoded into the 'surface' of
> the amygdala etc.
>
> This ability to transpose emotional assessments of a
> situation into a yin/yang assessment and derivation of a
> complex representation of that situation brings out the
> ability to assess a context and communicate a complex set of
> data from that original assessment due to the underlying
> categories being hard coded into all of us but to varying
> degrees due to genetics and exposure to environmental pressures.
>
> The IDEA of IDM IS to set a ground for meaning derivation in
> AI systems as it is to introduce a 'meaning 101' course for
> understanding the development of specialist perspectives from
> the ONE set of general categories.
>
> With the emotional I Ching we extract vague, VERY general
> emotional states from answers to very general questions and
> convert them to yin/yang assessments due to the isomorphism
> of these dichotomies. The XOR material extends this in that
> each category, due to being derived from self-referencing, is
> able to extract fine details through use of analogy to all of
> the other categories in the 'language'. Thus given one of 64
> categories we can extract another 63 properties through
> analogy to all of the categories; and this reflects the hard
> coding' of these patterns as part of the self-referencing process.
>
> Due to the isomorphism of dichotomies we can replace any
> dichotomy with the generic 1/0 dichotomy and that gives us
> access to logic operators that allow us to extract the
> details (decompress data where the six bits of a hexagram
> reflect high compression of data and so order a la dynamics
> of Kolmogorov
> complexity) - as IDM shows, those six bits are also
> translatable into representations of wave patterns and so map
> to the language of the neuron - pulse/wave dynamics (FM/AM etc)
>
> Chris.
> http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/introIDM.html
>
> <Snip>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Interesting article bit try to stay on the TRODDEN path lest u fall in to a
black hole
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

-----Original Message-----
From: "Robert Karl Stonjek" <stonjek@...>

Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:42:01
To: Mind and Brain<MindBrain@yahoogroups.com>;
Psychiatry-Research<psychiatry-research@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Mind and Brain] Article: Ghost Stories - Visits from the Deceased


Mind Matters -  December 2, 2008

Ghost Stories: Visits from the Deceased
After a loved one dies, most people see ghosts
By Vaughan Bell


Rubén Hidalgo

Carlos Sluzki's cat died a while ago now, but he still sometimes visits. Now
more of a shadow cat, the former pet seems to lurk at the edges of Sluzki's
vision, as a misinterpreted movement amid the everyday chaos of domestic life.
All the same, the shadow cat is beginning to slink away and Sluzki notes that as
the grief fades his erstwhile friend is "erasing himself from the world of the
present and receding into the bittersweet world of the memories of the loved
ones."

The dead stay with us, that much is clear. They remain in our hearts and minds,
of course, but for many people they also linger in our senses-as sights, sounds,
smells, touches or presences. Grief hallucinations are a normal reaction to
bereavement but are rarely discussed, because people fear they might be
considered insane or mentally destabilised by their loss. As a society we tend
to associate hallucinations with things like drugs and mental illness, but we
now know that hallucinations are common in sober healthy people and that they
are more likely during times of stress.

A Common Hallucination
<Snip>

Just as dualism begins post partum when the neonate's original propensity to
extend its height, breadth, depth throughout the universe via each cerebral
hemisphere independently is replaced by top-down object relations, so dualism
can be annihilated by experience of the adult love-relationship -- when the
genital and gonads (as well as cerebral hemispheres) of both partners are
incorporated nonlocally into the self-unified fourfold.

Recall that the neonate, to escape the 'hostile' environment, instantiates the
mother's smell-touch cross-laterally from genital tip to contralateral gonad
plus RH behavioural system, since this enables RH bottom-up sensorimotor (and LH
top-down ocular-motor) activity to treat the mother as an extension of itself.
In other words, the infant rediscovers her smell-touch (that had originally been
imprinted in its genital) now within an hallucinated breast-"object", via its LH
top-down system; and this same process (of rediscovering the mother's
smell-touch in one's good objects) is repeated with respect to all subsequent LH
objects.


   In short, all later "objects" can only be good if experienced according to the
model originally established in relation to the breast, the relationship to the
breast-mother being, crucially, the underlying basis for symbol-acquisition.

                                                   ## <.> ##

Now the difficulty in the adult love-relationship is that it also recapitulates
what occurred vis-a-vis the breast-mother. The adult love-object is initially
felt to be an "ideal" extension of the RH behavioural self -- but through
enantiodromia (i.e. the tendency of things to turn into their opposite), by
degrees one's ideal becomes persecutory. Just because the RH ego is schizoid --
i.e. it begins by insisting on perceiving only ideal qualities (whilst rejecting
bad ones) in the beloved -- by the same token it can become all the more
paranoid if, or when, the beloved is felt to be persecutory.

At this stage, the RH biased ego is no longer able to see the beloved through
rose-coloured glasses (due to the RH bias feeding a distorted "ideal" narrative
into LH consciousness); and in short, one of two outcomes will follow. Either
full-on RH paranoid-schizoid behaviour sets in and the object is hated and
evacuated -- though it will still inhabit the unconscious), or alternatively one
switches to the LH depressive position. In the LH depressive position, the
beloved is lost, mourned, and then repaired -- again along the model of the
original relationship to the breast.

So whether an individual is capable of creating and sustaining the
love-relationshiop depends very much on being able to make the necessary switch
to LH mature thinking -- this being characterised, as we have seen, by achieving
separation from the object.

The RH paranoid-schizoid type never achieves true separation, and so remains
subject to psychotic symbolism and concrete thinking throughout life; he (or
she) tends to be able to enter only a partnership where the principle of egoisme
a deux predominates (this being a hallmark of the less evolved societies). By
contrast, the LH depressive type has a great propensity to go through the loss,
mourning and guilt (of having damaged the object as a result of the individual's
own faecal evacuations) -- and to then go on to repair the lost object.

The important feature in such reparation is the need to overcome RH biased envy
and in due course to rediscover gratitude.


   As Melanie Klein notes, it is not for nothing that the Christian prayer spoken
at meal-times begins, "For what we are about to receive may the Lord make us
truly grateful..." (Envy & Gratitude (1957). Originally gratitude is the outcome
of successful breast-feeding.

                                                  ## <.> ##

Of course, in the love-relationship the overwheening problem is that what began
as a process of mutual-manducation may end with one party felt as predatory by
the other. Again, the capacity to negotiate the vicissitudes of the LH
depressive position and go on to reparation will determine whether in the case
of any given couple love conquers all, or the relationship finishes crashing on
the rocks. Klein emphasises that the original goal in childhood is reparation
not just of the damaged breast-mother, but of the love between the parental
couple -- with the need to go beyond Oedipal rivalry implicit in achieving this.

We return to our original point. For both male and female, it helps vastly if
the opposite sex is seen to comprise both bottom-up and top-down components --
with these needing to be integrated in the very course of the love-act.

Thus, as I say, Persephone's breasts need to 'become' her mother's -- and vice
versa -- with a switch in chirality also occurring, in course of the love-act.

At the same time, Demeter is donating "Zades'" RS phallus/RS testis to her
daughter, which then enables Persephone to donate his LS phallus/LS testis to
her mother. (Remember that we are speaking of the nonlocal 'mother' and
'daughter' aspects within a single female, at one level.)

And from "Zades'" standpoint all this is best seen if he identifies, firstly,
with the genital pubic hair of each female -- specifically as "she" (her pubic
hair) is in process of introjecting the phallus; whilst at the same time,
secondly, he is also identifying with the breasts of each female (i.e., by
degrees, in all of the roles and capacities described earlier).


   Note that this identification by "Zades'" with the pubic hair of each female
then facilitates his identification with the vulva of each, specifically as the
vagina introjects his phallus -- and according to the chirality-bias that
differentiates Persephone from Demeter, and vice versa.

                                                 ## <.> ##

What ultimately is the purpose of this approach?

My contention is that the 'thought' required to successfuly complete
'Eleusinian' intercourse has the result of liberating oculo-motor activity from
the erotogenic zones (ie, nipples, left/right side genital, gonads, etc.) to
which the libido otherwise unconsciously remains cathected (i.e., by virtue of
the need to sustain the relationship to the parental objects as the basis of
symbol formation).

The point is that to free oculo-motor functioning from repression in this way is
to gain freewill.

I repeat, however, that this can only be achieved through "Zades'"
identification with the pubic hair of each female (and her breasts in the roles
described) as "she" introjects his phallus -- since it is this left/right
identification on "her" part with either side of his phallus that is the
pre-requisite for Persephone and Demeter's libido to then descend into his
testes. It is this descent into his testes that facilitates either female
employing the phallus to identify with (and alternately sexually penetrate) the
vulva of her beloved during intercourse.

Put otherwise, because Demeter and Persephone are each other's primary
love-objects, both females are only able to consummate their psychosexual need
for release of instinctual tension vis-a-vis one another as a result of
introjecting (both sides of) "Zades'" phallus, whilst at the same time donating
its 'opposite' side (and testis) to her 'rival', in course of the love-act,
especially after descent into his testes.

Liberation is completed as the result of each of the 'Eleusinian' protagonists
finally experiencing 'release' in relation to the (twelve-dimensional) zodiacal
heavens.

[N.B. Various theories concerning the function(s) of pubic hair include: visual
indicator of sexual maturity, collection of secreted pheromones, reduction of
external friction during sexual intercourse, warmth (perhaps as a side effect)
-- but undoubtedly the part played by the ultra-sensitivity of pubic hair in
sexual activity, in the oculo-motor fashion mentioned, is much overlooked.]

As for the claim with respect to freewill, this derives from Arthur M. Young's
conclusions regarding the nature of the third derivative. Only passing reference
can be made to the matter here: but velocity is the first derivative (of
position), acceleration the second derivative (with these two having laid the
basis for the theory of gravity); and whilst Newton mentioned a third
derivative, he made no attempt to give it a physical meaning.

As Young notes the third derivative has been neglected by classical physics
simply because it has not been possible to use it for ‘classical’ prediction; in
the general case, control is "outside the system." It is indeterminate -- the
driver is free to steer a car where he wishes. "This does not deny its existence
as a factor in evolution, however."

Young represents the three derivatives by a circle on which position is shown on
the right-hand side and its three derivatives (each occupying a quadrant on the
twelve-dimensional template) in sequence clockwise. Thus position (involving
length) is located between the twelfth-/first dimensions), velocity
(length/time) between the third-/fourth dimensions), acceleration (length/time
squared) between the sixth-/seventh dimensions), control (length/time cubed)
between the ninth-/tenth dimensions -- and then the return to position.

Young states:

   When one is driving, control of the car is governed by position, for that is
what the destination is, a position in space. Or again, the control of a guided
missile is directed by the position of the target. Therefore, the fourth
derivative is position. In other words, if we divide by T four times [doing so
three times would involve division by past, present, future, so four times T
must return us to [bottom-up] fractal self-time, emanating from zero] we are
back at the start: 1/T4 = 360 degrees = O degrees.

   We propose to make control a criterion for the description of entities on the
right-hand [RH behavioural, in our terms] side of the arc. Our right to do this
stems from the fact that control can be identified with the third derivative and
is therefore equal in status with other derivatives (velocity and acceleration).
Or, again, control is evident to observation: an automobile, a paramecium, a
flying saucer can be observed to be under control or not under control. And
control is evidence of life (The Reflexive Universe: Evolution of
Consciousness).

In conclusion, I am arguing that oculo-motor activity liberated from
(unconscious) cathexes to the psychophysical self plus parental objects, and as
a result coming to enjoy a full relationship to the naked female/male body (cf.
Adam and Eve before ejection from the Garden of Eden) also achieves freewill --
that is to say, by virtue of acquiring conscious oculo-motor control with
respect to the fourth derivative (i.e., position).

In this wise, sexuality being the obverse side of consciousness, the way in is
seen to be the way out.

   The way out is the way in (ie, in "Zades'" case through phallic penetration of
the vulvas of Persephone/Demeter, whilst in theirs 'the way out' consists of
gaining entry, via his phallus, to his testes -- intercourse with him being the
prerequisite for psychosexual consummation of both females' mutual
love-relationship (since only coition can facilitate the necessary 'exchange' of
their breasts, in the context of liberation from instinctual tension).
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If we think of life as being that force which seeks to become ever-more
conscious through evolution, then the present psychophysical model is now in a
position to show how this occurs with respect to higher-order consciousness, and
the adult love-relationship.

To achieve the sine qua non of sustainability Gaia needs human "extra-corporeal
'DNA.'"

The 'seeding' of sexual dimorphism is established in the archetypal
third-dimension (the latter being one quarter of the 100% quantum energy we
began with in the first-dimension -- each 25% representing the
conscious/unconscious of the two sexes), with the outcome of either male or
female being determined (i.e., as biochemical matter) in the fourth-dimension,
finally.

Thus, by the time the system ascends to the seventh-dimension, we have either RH
biased female or LH biased male "observers" -- with these two capable of
conjoining in the quaternistic two-in-one that defines the couple in the adult
love-relationship. But there are also two bottom-up "observers" in the genital
of each (functioning from the 100% quantum of action in the first-dimension).

Top-down and bottom-up "observers" alternate to create the psychophysical
miracle that is Homo sapiens.

However, bimodal-psychoanalysis has taught us that this nonlocal self-unified
fourfold can only be sustained over time provided the repression/suppression
acquired in early development can be annulled in relation to the adult
love-object. And the principal insight that facilitates this lies in coming to
understand female sexuality -- the fact that no male/female relationship can be
consolidated and grow in the absence of the insight that the Demeter and
Persephone components of the female constitute the 'cutting edge' of the
self-unified fourfold. From an evolutionary standpoint, the female is the
default sex.

Put differently, unless "Zades" facilitates consummation of the psychosexual
love 'both' females feel for each other as his pre-eminent goal, then the
quaternio that was originally created archetypally and nonlocally, will
eventually founder in time and space, that is to say, in "reality."

The ancient Greeks came to understand this intuitively -- with their
twelve-dimensional Pythagorean cosmogony causing them to practice the Eleusinian
mysteries (no doubt with the aid of entheogens). Here father-daughter incest (in
oculo-motor unconscious phantasy) had the result of liberating Persephone from
matriarchal dominance. The fact that henceforth the girl can be her mother's
equal is a sine qua non for further evolution of the 'Eleusinian' protagonists
beyond individuation.

   The archetypal Eleusinian schema computes the future (at the
twelve-dimensional quantum gravitational level), precisely as a result of
overcoming the exigencies that would otherwise prevail in "reality" through the
Battle of the Sexes, and dependence upon the parental objects in the
unconscious.
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That the constituents of "extra-corporeal 'DNA'" lie dormant in the unconscious,
"ready to be awakened," is borne out not only by the achievements of the
Hellenes, "the glory that was Greece," but also, I suggest, in the civilisation
created by the English many centuries later.

In both cases, the 'seed' fell on fertile ground; a temperate clime and accident
of geography (for the Greek city states, being situated on their archepelago,
and in the case of the English being located on an island guaranteeing safety
from invasion) provided optimum conditions in which the 'seed' could take root,
germinate, and flourish.

In the nineteenth-century the British Empire covered a quarter of the globe's
surface. Yet it was an empire gained in part in order to forestall the
territorial expansion of rival European powers. And that British rule was on the
whole benign, is suggested by the fact that today there are still fifty three
sovereign states which belong to the Commonwealth, these having a combined total
population of 1.8 billion people.

Remarkably only the former colonies of Burma and Aden opted out of the
Commonwealth upon independence.

The main decision-making forum is the biennial Commonwealth Heads of Government
Meeting (CHOGM), with Queen Elizabeth II its titular head, where Commonwealth
presidents and prime ministers assemble for several days to discuss matters of
mutual interest.

Commonwealth priorities include: democracy and good governance, respect for
human rights and gender equality, poverty eradication and sustainable,
people-centred development, and to promote arts and culture. Every four years
the Commonwealth's members celebrate the Commonwealth Games, the world's
second-largest multi-sport event after the Olympic Games.

English civilisation had its roots in the Anglican religion -- Christianity in
turn having derived from the Greeks' Eleusinian mysteries and cult of Dionysus)
as focussed in the nuclear family. In other words, the English practised their
own version of the mysteries, a 'cleaned-up' one that still involved the
liberation of daughters through closeness to their fathers. As I say, the chief
emphasis lay in respect for the institution of marriage and the nuclear family.

If marriage is an institution "ordained by God," it was Darwinism and the
breakdown of Anglicanism that has also caused the English to lose their way,
after World War II.

The institution of marriage will discover fresh legs in the English-speaking
world as a result of the twelve-dimensional psychophysical theory of everything,
the insights of bimodal-psychoanalysis, and through the alchemical impetus of
the Internet.

The way in is the way out: one world, one zodiac.