A full breakdown of a NEA Mining Hopper Transporter configuration is now online on several pages onward from: ...
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bty580492
May 15, 2009 10:06 pm
This is the full sequence of module descriptions: DEEP SPACE HOPPER TRANSPORTER: http://www.eosmarsprogram.org/ Page31-42-Space.html MICROWAVE ELECTROTHERMAL...
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Ueli Scheuermeier
uscheuermeier
May 15, 2009 11:57 pm
Wow Jan, Just clicked through the graphs. Some are missing: - Clicking on "Mining Hopper Unit" I get directed to Hopper Docking Module - Clicking on "Cargo...
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Ueli Scheuermeier
uscheuermeier
May 16, 2009 12:26 am
Jan, While thinking through the big picture issues I hit again on this thing you wrote some time back when explaining what you did with your presentation with...
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Ueli Scheuermeier
uscheuermeier
May 16, 2009 12:39 am
Hi all, Picking up an idea based on the below discussion on training people. No matter how much we automate or rather telerobot our operations, we'll need...
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bty580492
May 16, 2009 7:51 am
My apologies, Ueli! Something went wrong using the 'copy' keys there, when pasting the URLs. Working too late at night is fatal! However, here are the...
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EOS Mars Program
bty580492
May 16, 2009 8:18 am
Seems like this is the business to me, Ueli......... It is only when you have to stand up and explain things to others (especially those not in these fields)...
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Phil Eklund
phileklund
May 16, 2009 1:35 pm
Worth mentioning that here in Tucson, the Kit Peak observatory completed its survey of Earth-Moon L4 and L5. They found nothing. Â However, the resolution...
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Ueli Scheuermeier
uscheuermeier
May 16, 2009 2:04 pm
Yes Phil, of course the place needs to be looked over first. From what I grasp of orbital dynamics around the stable L4 and L5 points I come to the conclusion...
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Phil Eklund
phileklund
May 16, 2009 3:50 pm
Phil Eklund Sierra Madre Games 2525 E Prince #72, Tucson, AZ 85716 www.SierraMadreGames.com ... From: Ueli Scheuermeier <uscheuermeier@...> To:...
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bty580492
May 16, 2009 8:18 pm
Ueli, NASA has been occupying L4/L5 intermittently, or in transit, for a number of years, the latest mission being the Solar Observatories 'STEREO': ...
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Phil Eklund
phileklund
May 16, 2009 10:20 pm
Jan, which Lagrange points are you referring to? I assume that the L4/L5 points under discussion in the big picture are NOT the Earth-Sol Lagrange points...
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bty580492
May 17, 2009 8:40 am
OK Phil, we did look at this some time back, as I think you raised these points earlier about accumulated debris at L4/L5 points? You have clarified the point...
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Phil Eklund
phileklund
May 17, 2009 1:36 pm
Jan, An object traveling in Earth-Sol L4/L5 is in orbit essentially around the sun, and yet from the frame of reference of the L5 point, it seems to be in a...
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bty580492
May 17, 2009 5:12 pm
Too many unknowns yet then, Phil! However, we do know about LEO debris, as I posted some images here some time ago on this, as well as this NASA report:...
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Ueli Scheuermeier
uscheuermeier
May 17, 2009 8:49 pm
Phil, The Kosomos-Iridium kind of smash-up resulting in total destruction is indeed probably rare (still, but watch the counter...). However that's not what...
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Ueli Scheuermeier
uscheuermeier
May 17, 2009 9:34 pm
Phil, Jan, Just to make it clear: I was thinking of Terralunar L4/5 not Solterran L4/5 for manufacturing. That's where manufacturing, assembly and lots of...
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bty580492
May 17, 2009 10:44 pm
Yes, Ueli, don't let my spill-over thinking about Solar L4/L5 confuse the issue, I don't want to mislead the direction of understanding here, as I...
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Phil Eklund
phileklund
May 17, 2009 11:15 pm
The orbital velocity I quoted was for a frame of reference centered on the Lagrange point itself. From such a frame of reference, the debris orbits the...
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bty580492
May 18, 2009 6:50 am
Phil, Perhaps then the solution to countering such debris is to use bulk water tanks for shielding on an outer station boundary so the freezing liquid...
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Ueli Scheuermeier
uscheuermeier
May 18, 2009 8:12 am
Phil, 1. What's the escape velocity at Terralunar L4/5 ? How come I hear of unsure effect of solar wind on the dust there? 2. Anything bigger than about 0.5 m...
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Ueli Scheuermeier
uscheuermeier
May 18, 2009 8:27 am
Jan, I'm splitting up issues into three different points in order to be able to track correctly. 1. Tugging asteroids to Terralunar L4/5 ... As you say, this...
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Ueli Scheuermeier
uscheuermeier
May 18, 2009 8:30 am
Jan, ... Remember how we were thinking of establishing diggers on the rotational poles of asteroids, then digging large diameter wells right down along the...
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Ueli Scheuermeier
uscheuermeier
May 18, 2009 8:36 am
Jan, 3. Lagrange navigation ... ".....these various Lagrange points do suggest a staged relay of exchange stations to minimise down time of the largest journey...
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EOS Mars Program
bty580492
May 18, 2009 10:41 am
Yes, I think you are right on target here, Ueli. A man-made 'asteroid' formed from accumulated slag is a perfect solution for utilising what has been preying...
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EOS Mars Program
bty580492
May 18, 2009 10:50 am
Ueli, considering the interactions of LEOstation with Earth, and rotational stability, the null point gee of Solar L4/L5 suggested an ability to rotate objects...
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EOS Mars Program
bty580492
May 18, 2009 10:59 am
Patience is the name of the game here, Ueli......... Mostly the processing end capacity dictates the flow speed of incoming raw materials, so a steady stream...
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Ueli Scheuermeier
uscheuermeier
May 18, 2009 1:05 pm
Sorry Jan, my English can't track this. What's a caddis-fly? It is the 'caddis-fly' approach, as building around a communication tube framework is far more...
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bty580492
May 18, 2009 1:24 pm
Sorry, Ueli, this is a denizen of English free-flowing country streams: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caddis_fly They build a hard casing of small rock...
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Phil Eklund
phileklund
May 18, 2009 2:02 pm
Jan, I think H2O shielding with freeze plugs is a good idea. Â Again, I don't know if there really is a threat. There is a possible problem that to keep the...
