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I tend to agree, yet will rephrase to my own sauce. Transport is costly. Space transport is horribly costly. Everything that you transport will have a huge...
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Jun 2, 2009
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2383
No. Big Red Herring here, or Chinese Whispers. This is not a rubble mining proposition. The purest nickel-iron NEA sources for metals, plus any volatiles ...
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Very well stated. Phil Eklund Sierra Madre Games 2525 E Prince #72, Tucson, AZ 85716 www.SierraMadreGames.com ... From: el_slapper <el_slapper@...> To:...
Phil Eklund
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Jun 2, 2009
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Easy guys, a) Nobody has yet suggested to move rubble that isn't assayed. So Romuald don't worry about that. Whoever moves rubble will process it, whether he...
Ueli Scheuermeier
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Red herring? Jan, as the title of this thread suggests, we are questioning the wisdom of having a centralized processing plant in L4/L5. The chief product of...
Phil Eklund
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Ueli, Your "gut" says that water will be processed in-situ?  I pointed out last post that if you DON'T get your water in-situ, you will expend 1.7 kilos of...
Phil Eklund
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It is the value of nickel and other common metals in space (or orbit) eg. the famous $10,000/Kg that gives it its value in space construction and building an...
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Phil, You seem to be addressing a number of points we've touched last year. Let me try and see.... 1. I can't seem to get the concept of "relativity and...
Ueli Scheuermeier
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Ueli, And I can't seem to get the concept of absolutes across. Its not just expending 8.5 kilo of water to obtain 1 kilo at L4.  Its expending 8.4 kilos of...
Phil Eklund
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Jun 3, 2009
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Then let's consider a hypothetical situation.   Customer needs 1500 tons of stainless steel in certain bulk shapes (ie plates, girders, blocks) as well as...
Boyd Smith
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Jun 3, 2009
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Phil, ... oh that's the problem? No sweat: As far as I can see nobody has yet suggested to use water from Earth as reaction mass to go get rubble from...
Ueli Scheuermeier
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Jun 3, 2009
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Boyd, Moving asteroids I don't think will happen any time soon. And I would be wary of depending on convincing governments to commit tax money to asteroid...
Ueli Scheuermeier
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Ueli, If in your step 4, you are moving unprocessed material of any sort from an 8 km/sec asteroid to L4/L5, then you are using water as reaction mass to move...
Phil Eklund
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Jun 3, 2009
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Phil, We've covered this ground before. I believe I understand what you're saying, and it's not that I'm disagreeing with your physics (though I do disagree...
Ueli Scheuermeier
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Jun 3, 2009
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very good points, but I'd like to answer this one, as it seems you missed something about it, Ueli : We will work on asteroids. At first, just processing water...
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Jun 3, 2009
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From James Wilson spacetrader.net "which of the many thousand asteroids, by the way?" The ones that are going to hit us if we don't! Which should put us in...
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There are all sorts of possibilities.  Hotels, manufacturing, settlements or even way stations to further points.   It would depend on the customer.  But...
Boyd Smith
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Ueli, When a person points out that a mathematical problem with your business plan, your normal reaction should be to either point out the error in the...
Phil Eklund
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I think it is fair to say that such information that was cited more than once (and recently) is already in the public domain (and has been for some time): ...
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For further reference: http://www.oosa.unvienna.org/oosa/SpaceLaw/links.html Jan...
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Phil, Peace! I wasn't disengaging my brain. I was disengaging from an exchange that I felt wasn't going anywhere. You mention that I might be thinking you made...
Ueli Scheuermeier
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Romuald, Hm.... so if I get you correctly you're saying that if we need to separate out water at an asteroid that will mean we need to get a lot of equipment...
Ueli Scheuermeier
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James, From what I understand of orbital dynamics, the asteroids that are going to hit us will by far the most of them never be interesting for us. It took me...
Ueli Scheuermeier
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... Yes, on this one. Jan...
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Ueli- You missed a comparison. Earth to L4/5 vs. Asteroids to L4/5 vs. processing at L4/5. You need to compare among all three alternatives not just two of...
Boyd Smith
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Jun 5, 2009
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Agreed: 1A. Water from Earth to L4 2B. Water processed at asteroid to L4 2A. Shielding material from Earth to L4 and assembled there 2B. Shielding material...
Ueli Scheuermeier
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Jun 5, 2009
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... This is a typical example of wandering off topic. The title of the thread was not: Upporting vs. extraterrestrial resources.  The title of the thread was...
Phil Eklund
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Jun 5, 2009
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Ueli, ... The idea to use CO as a catalyst for the extraction of asteroidal metals, as suggested by John Lewis, see: “Asteroidal Resource Opportunities...
Phil Eklund
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Jun 5, 2009
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Well, robotically extracting water, even with your simplest methods, at those distance, by remote controls, seems sci-fi to me. If we are to assume we'll not...
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Jun 5, 2009
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... And going into space and mining asteroids doesn't? And if you think about it, space travel, submarines, telephones, radio, cell phones, home computers,...
Boyd Smith
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