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--
Dear Wilbur,
   Thanks so much, my eyes have really been opened. Thankyou for
explaining it so well. Lava Jenny





- In NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com, "Wilbur Southey" <wilbur@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Hi Jenny,
>
> Yes, there has been global warming going on for a number of years,
until,
> technically-speaking, quite recently that is.  Yes, that warming was not
> caused by CO2 alone (CO2 played virtually no role in it), as, as far
as I
> recall, Ash' has stated too.
>
> One of the primary reasons that the mean global temperature has
dropped is
> because of the Sun being very quiet (for far longer than scientists have
> expected it to - it has an 11 year cycle of high activity and low
activity -
> at the moment there is no activity when it 'was supposed to' be
picking up.)
> It is interesting to note that there are other things going on like more
> volcanic activity and more, and that is simultaneously heating parts
of the
> Earth, but, on average, the global temperature is currently dropping -
> however... that could all change if the Sun suddenly 'comes alive'
(as NASA
> is expecting it to, except that it is long "overdue" now) or other
factors
> influence it...
>
> As I have long suspected, as too I'm sure many here have, and I
recall Ash'
> alluding to, in general one can expect a lot more "extreme" weather
in the
> coming years.  I think that is one thing we can be quite sure of.
As for
> the overall warming or cooling in the next few years, I think it's a
case of
> waiting and seeing and preparing as best for any eventuality.  As
far as I
> know the Dare to Prepare handbook covers some of these things.
>
> As for 'those on the "cooling side"' being for the exploitation of the
> Earth's resources, so far I have not seen any of this, but I have no
doubt
> that there always those with agendas.  One thing, though, that I do
think a
> lot of people get mixed up about is carbon dioxide vs harmful chemicals
> (which, of course, the "Green" Movement people paint as being the same
> thing, which, naturally, they are not.)  Carbon dioxide is of course
> completely "natural" - it's something that each of us produces and it is
> something trees and plants need - and it also does not act like a
> "greenhouse gas" at all (as is the case with virtually all the other
> "greenhouse gases" - they are doing what is being stated by some
people.)
> Things like sulphur dioxide and lots of the other pollutants are
what I am
> all for reducing and getting rid of, if possible (and it is - I know
of many
> ways to get rid of them, it's just a question of time, etc.) - When
people
> engage in industry, my attitude is, like everyone here, no-doubt: As
long
> everything is done with consideration and respect for Nature/the
> Environment; carbon dioxide is benign and it is what plants and trees
> breath, just like we need oxygen, they need carbon dioxide.  That
those in
> the "Green" movement can blame carbon dioxide for global warming is
in my
> opinion is absolutely ridiculous! (since even basic science completely
> disproves it.)
>
> I hope that helps clear up some of your confusion...
>
> Lots of Lava,
> Wilbur
>
>   _____
>
> From: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jenny_simons
> Sent: Saturday, 28 February 2009 21:05
> To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast,
raising
> sea levels
>
>
> -Dear Beloveds,
> So now I am so confused.....which one is it? Is it global warming
> or global cooling that is going on??? What is the KS perspective on
> this? I remember Ash saying that global warming was not happening from
> CO2 emissions alone and that many other factors were contributing such
> as the bases hidden beneath the polar caps and other FA type
> shenanigans but I have no recollection of her talking about global
> cooling. I feel this is a very important thing to know since it would
> very much affect my decisions in regards to finding home. I have been
> anticipating a global warming scenario which has made me skeptical of
> relocating in desert type areas in anticipation that water will become
> more and more scarce in such areas and northern climates more stable
> as far as water and maybe winters becoming less harsh with the global
> warming.....but it sounds like I have it backwards???? I skimmed
> through the global cooling articles and just became frustrated since
> it sounds like the talking heads can make arguments from either
> side.....and it seemed to me that some of those on the "cooling" side
> of the argument just want to justify their continued exploitation of
> Earth's resources. The Green energy movement at least, to me, seem
> more in alignment with respecting Earth's body....anyway I am very
> curious what the KS perspective is in regards to this. Thankyou so
> much, Lava Jenny
>
>
> .
>

#552

From: Edward Nowak <nowayana@...>
Date: Sun Mar 1, 2009 6:09 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

nowayana

It is global cooling for sure. Check out the website....iceagenow.com for what is really going on.

nowayana

--- On Sat, 2/28/09, jenny_simons <jenny_simons@...> wrote:

From: jenny_simons <jenny_simons@...>
Subject: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 1:04 PM

-Dear Beloveds,
So now I am so confused.... .which one is it? Is it global warming
or global cooling that is going on??? What is the KS perspective on
this? I remember Ash saying that global warming was not happening from
CO2 emissions alone and that many other factors were contributing such
as the bases hidden beneath the polar caps and other FA type
shenanigans but I have no recollection of her talking about global
cooling. I feel this is a very important thing to know since it would
very much affect my decisions in regards to finding home. I have been
anticipating a global warming scenario which has made me skeptical of
relocating in desert type areas in anticipation that water will become
more and more scarce in such areas and northern climates more stable
as far as water and maybe winters becoming less harsh with the global
warming..... but it sounds like I have it backwards??? ? I skimmed
through the global cooling articles and just became frustrated since
it sounds like the talking heads can make arguments from either
side.....and it seemed to me that some of those on the "cooling" side
of the argument just want to justify their continued exploitation of
Earth's resources. The Green energy movement at least, to me, seem
more in alignment with respecting Earth's body....anyway I am very
curious what the KS perspective is in regards to this. Thankyou so
much, Lava Jenny

-- In NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com, "Wilbur Southey" <wilbur@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Hi Lorinda,
>
> I find it interesting to see how this climate-thing has become very
> political at the expense of real science and common sense. The "Global
> Warming CO2" BS is being used to impose a global carbon tax - on
everyone,
> including individuals, and along with it, they intend (to cause),
more loss
> personal freedoms. It is not technically possible for CO2 to cause
global
> warming and it definitely is not what caused (the now-past) global
warming,
> as I am sure you are aware.
>
> My point here is that the earth is no longer warming (due to a now
prolonged
> lack of Solar activity), and we are being lied to about the real
situation
> (although I don't doubt there is some ice melting in some places -
on the
> whole far more is forming, see below); and I'll also throw a bit of
info, as
> background for those who are interested, exposing the CO2 nonsense...
>
> [Whilst I am all for looking after the environment, I am not for fake
> science masquerading as something benevolent. The bottom line is
that there
> are few very well-paid "scientists" who are promoting this lie - no
> scientists worth his/her salt would put their name behind the CO2
hoax; and,
> indeed, tens of thousands of scientists do call it what it is: a
hoax. It's
> actually a massive scam and the mainstream media are mostly in on
it/fooled
> by it. Lots is being invested into this new scam and only a few
months ago
> NASA/their peers were caught "mistakenly" falsely-reporting data in
order to
> make temperatures look higher than they were (article below.)
Recently they
> also "missed" 500 000 square kilometres of ice because of a "sensor
> malfunction" . Also: NASA's new Orbiting Carbon Observatory (
> http://oco.jpl. nasa.gov/ ) "mysteriously" didn't make it into orbit
after
> launch a few days ago. This satellite would have provided some
extensive
> data - data, I have no doubt, which would have done serious damage
to the
> "Global Warming CO2" theory had it made into space.]
>
> The truth of the matter is that global warming ended in 2003 and we
are now
> in fact in a global cooling situation, as of 2007. (The Earth's average
> temperature has dropped significantly over the past 2 years.)
>
> Here are just a few articles if you feel like doing some reading on the
> subject (if the moderators of this group would prefer that I not
post too
> many links here in future then let me know)...
>
> Arctic Sees Massive Gain in Ice Coverage:
> http://www.dailytec h.com/Article. aspx?newsid= 12851
>
> Networks Wrong On Global Warming Again; Arctic Ice Still There -
Predictions
> of open water prove incorrect as 1.74 million square miles of ice
survive:
> http://www.business andmedia. org/articles/ 2008/20080917152 523.aspx
>
> Arctic Sea Ice Underestimated for Weeks Due to Faulty Sensor:
> http://www.bloomber g.com/apps/ news?pid= 20601110
> <http://www.bloomber g.com/apps/ news?pid= 20601110& sid=aIe9swvOqwIY>
> &sid=aIe9swvOqwIY
>
> IPCC Scientists Caught Producing False Data To Push Global Warming:
>
http://www.prisonpl anet.com/ ipcc-scientists- caught-producing -false-data- to-p
> ush-global-warming. html
>
> MIT scientists baffled by global warming theory, contradicts scientific
> data:
> http://www.tgdaily. com/html_ tmp/content- view-39973- 113.html
>
> Video clip of polar ice increasing:
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=cKLiHWRaJU4
>
> Graphs displaying the Earth's actual temperature data:
>
http://www.propagan damatrix. com/articles/ july2008/ 071808_conclusiv ely_debunk
> ed.htm
>
> The Amazing Story Behind the Global Warming Scam:
> http://www.kusi. com/weather/ colemanscorner/ 38574742. html
>
> Australian 'greenhouse gas' scientist reverses his position on the
subject:
> http://www.theaustr alian.news. com.au/story/ 0,25197,24036736 -7583,00. html
>
> Ex-NASA scientist exposes the 'global warming' scam:
> http://www.brojon. org/frontpage/ global/globalwar ming1.html
>
> Lots of Lava,
> Wilbur
>
>
> _____
>
> From: NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Lorinda
> Sent: Thursday, 26 February 2009 06:32
> To: NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [NaturalScienceKS] Polar regions found warming fast,
raising sea
> levels
>
>
>
> Interesting article.
>
> http://news.
<http://news. yahoo.com/ s/nm/20090225/ sc_nm/us_ climate_polars_ 4>
> yahoo.com/s/ nm/20090225/ sc_nm/us_ climate_polars_ 4
>
> Much LaVA
>
> Lorinda
>
> .
>
>
<http://geo.yahoo. com/serv? s=97359714/ grpId=22551363/ grpspId=17050836 63/msgI
> d=526/stime= 1235622709/ nc1=3848644/ nc2=4836038/ nc3=5191952>
>

#553

From: Locke Shinseiko <lockeshinseiko@...>
Date: Sun Mar 1, 2009 6:49 pm
Subject: Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

lockeshinseiko

Hello all of you,

I noticed, as I was going through my archives of this group, that the link in Lorinda's original post says one very funny line in particular. It claims that the salinity (salt level) of the arctic sea was increasing and that this meant ice was melting... Excuse me? Salt doesn't enter into suspension with ice, it stays in the liquid water. So how exactly is the release of fresh water from ice going to make the sea more salty?

Oh well, I had a laugh over that. The article is syndicated by Reuters, so its not exactly an unbiased or independent journalism situation. I think its a little like how they expect people to believe that CO2 which weighs more than O2, and which sinks in air, not rises, is somehow creating a layer of greenhouse gas in the upper atmosphere.

LaVa un-Ish-ma Ta'A,

I am this I am,
Locke Shinseiko

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#554

From: "Lorinda" <lorindap2001@...>
Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 2:12 am
Subject: Global Warming - fact or fraud - or neither?

lorindap2001

RE: Yet on arstechnica, they seem to say...the opposite?

Hi Wilbur and all

When looking at the links you posted, there is indeed a lot of misinterpretation of data (on both sides) – based on periods that are just too short to be definitive – as the below Blog indicates.

We do know though that there are mini-cycles within cycles (sound familiar?? LOL). And I do agree that generally the temperatures are cooler this last year than previous year – despite a dozen days of over 45C degrees here for a month or so.

How does this all affect us in the next 200 years? I do not think we can honestly say we know. BUT – we do know it is not CO2 causing the phenomena – it is happening in all planets in our solar system, not just Earth. My next email on The Emerging Cycle 24 covers this too (this actually went out before this email!! Yahooooooo...LOL).

This article has the Blogg I was thinking of…there are many entries in this blog, so to get a better understanding – go read it all. The blogs are below the actual article.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ipcc-scientists-caught-producing-false-data-to-push-global-%20warming.html Arctic Sees Massive Gain in Ice Coverage

Some blogs from within this link: Begin Quote

By masher2 (blog) on 9/4/2008 11:28:01 AM , Rating: 2

Temperatures this year are *colder* than last year.
Temperatures this year are *warmer* than those from 100 years ago.
Temperatures this year are *colder* than those from 10,000 years ago.
Temperatures this year are *warmer* than those from 1,000,000 years ago.

Which of these is the correct period to say what "normal" temperatures are?

By omnicronx on 9/4/08, Rating: 3

Normal was a very poor choice of words, especially when you consider my second statement.

My point was our understanding of Arctic temperature trends is minuscule. We have no absolute understanding of why the earth was colder 10,000 years ago (yes I know it was the last ice age, but do we know why it happened), or why the earth was warmer 1,000,000 years ago. Until we can figure this out, yearly trends are meaningless, because as you stated already, what is "normal"?
End Quote

Our understandings of such events end at (for example)'an ice age happens when more snow falls than melts' and I find this a big problem, especially with the countless reports that we see each week, all of which contradict each other, and none of which have provided us with any sort of definitive temperature model.

Much LaVA

Lorinda

#555

From: "Lorinda" <lorindap2001@...>
Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 6:54 am
Subject: FW: [earthchange-bulletins] Free How To Do It Hands On Seminar On Syngas Online

lorindap2001

Interesting free webinar on creating your own energy – brought to us from Michael Mandeville…looks interesting!!

Much LAVA

Lorinda

BULLETIN ITEM: Wednesday Free How To Do It Hands On Seminar On Syngas Online

I highly recommend Harris and McCalister. They are the only people in the Alt Energy field I am spending my very limited money on at the present time. Go here to sign up for the seminar this Wednesday live. Also sign up to follow them on their Twitter account.

These two guys claim they are going to lead an "open systems" design revolution in the production and use of syngas for all small-scale energy needs - generally most suittable for people in rural areas who do not have city gestappo breathing down their codes. They claim that it is the easiest, simplest, cheapest of all alt energy tech. It is produced from anything which is burnable...which they mostly they do not burn, they heat and decompose wood into a gas which behaves close to natural gas. They will demonstrate how to do this in a coffee can. How cheap and simple is that?????

http://www.ush2.com/w.htm

Ladies, you back woods devas of the world, you too... this stuff is easy.

Essentially they are bringing back the tech of the 19th century which came in vogue before natural gas was piped in cities.

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#556

From: "Lorinda" <lorindap2001@...>
Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 7:17 am
Subject: Hydrogen, natural gas etc... energy

lorindap2001

: http://www.ush2.com/home_energy_making_fuel_at_home.htm

Hi everyone

I just signed up for the Twitter webinar…and am taking a look at the ush2 website…lots of energy ideas here!!.

http://www.ush2.com/ go here to see a weather balloon with natural gas running a generator

And here for Home Made Power and How the Chinese Make Bio-gas

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Much LaVA

Lorinda

#557

From: Jo Milligan <jmilligan@...>
Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 10:55 am
Subject: Re: Global Warming - fact or fraud - or neither?

joseyana12

RE: Yet on arstechnica, they seem to say...the opposite?

Hi Beloved Lorinda,

What does it mean when you find an attachment like on your last post, which is just a piece of sky? Did you mean to attach that?

I've noticed similar gifs on other emails from time to time and just wondered, are they being attached by someone else?

LaVa, JosE'yana

From: Lorinda <lorindap2001@...>
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 2 March, 2009 2:12:16 AM
Subject: [NaturalScienceKS] Global Warming - fact or fraud - or neither?

Hi Wilbur and all

When looking at the links you posted, there is indeed a lot of misinterpretation of data (on both sides) – based on periods that are just too short to be definitive – as the below Blog indicates.

This article has the Blogg I was thinking of…there are many entries in this blog, so to get a better understanding – go read it all. The blogs are below the actual article.

http://www.prisonpl anet.com/ ipcc-scientists- caught-producing -false-data- to-push-global- %20warming. html Arctic Sees Massive Gain in Ice Coverage

Some blogs from within this link: Begin Quote

By masher2 (blog) on 9/4/2008 11:28:01 AM , Rating: 2

By omnicronx on 9/4/08, Rating: 3

Much LaVA

Lorinda

#558

From: "Wilbur Southey" <wilbur@...>
Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:54 am
Subject: RE: Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

azuresky33

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2008_temps.html

Hi JosE,

Thanks for that NASA link. I'm glad to see them admitting it now - something one is unlikely to see on the evening news though :- )

Much Lava,

From: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jo Milligan
Sent: Sunday, 1 March 2009 01:00
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

Hi Jenny,

Re: the overall picture at the moment, maybe this graph will help:

Thank you Wilbur for your wonderful posts and for explaining that the sudden cooling may have more to do with the sun than anything else. I wonder how far the cooling will go.

Beloved Adrienne you may be thinking of Siberia and/or Alaska where the permafrost has been melting at an alarming rate. Maybe at least in the near future the cooling will slow down the melting permafrost and the worrying enormous release of methane.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18725124.500

Much LaVa,

JosE

From: Wilbur Southey <wilbur@i360.co.za>
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 28 February, 2009 8:15:02 PM
Subject: RE: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

Hi Jenny,

Yes, there has been global warming going on for a number of years, until, technically- speaking, quite recently that is. Yes, that warming was not caused by CO2 alone (CO2 played virtually no role in it), as, as far as I recall, Ash' has stated too.

One of the primary reasons that the mean global temperature has dropped is because of the Sun being very quiet (for far longer than scientists have expected it to - it has an 11 year cycle of high activity and low activity - at the moment there is no activity when it 'was supposed to' be picking up.) It is interesting to note that there are other things going on like more volcanic activity and more, and that is simultaneously heating parts of the Earth, but, on average, the global temperature is currently dropping - however... that could all change if the Sun suddenly 'comes alive' (as NASA is expecting it to, except that it is long "overdue" now) or other factors influence it...

As I have long suspected, as too I'm sure many here have, and I recall Ash' alluding to, in general one can expect a lot more "extreme" weather in the coming years. I think that is one thing we can be quite sure of. As for the overall warming or cooling in the next few years, I think it's a case of waiting and seeing and preparing as best for any eventuality. As far as I know the Dare to Prepare handbook covers some of these things.

As for 'those on the "cooling side"' being for the exploitation of the Earth's resources, so far I have not seen any of this, but I have no doubt that there always those with agendas. One thing, though, that I do think a lot of people get mixed up about is carbon dioxide vs harmful chemicals (which, of course, the "Green" Movement people paint as being the same thing, which, naturally, they are not.) Carbon dioxide is of course completely "natural" - it's something that each of us produces and it is something trees and plants need - and it also does not act like a "greenhouse gas" at all (as is the case with virtually all the other "greenhouse gases" - they are doing what is being stated by some people.) Things like sulphur dioxide and lots of the other pollutants are what I am all for reducing and getting rid of, if possible (and it is - I know of many ways to get rid of them, it's just a question of time, etc.) - When people engage in industry, my attitude is, like everyone here, no-doubt: As long everything is done with consideration and respect for Nature/the Environment; carbon dioxide is benign and it is what plants and trees breath, just like we need oxygen, they need carbon dioxide. That those in the "Green" movement can blame carbon dioxide for global warming is in my opinion is absolutely ridiculous! (since even basic science completely disproves it.)

I hope that helps clear up some of your confusion...

Lots of Lava,

Wilbur

From: NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:NaturalScie nceKS@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of jenny_simons
Sent: Saturday, 28 February 2009 21:05
To: NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

-Dear Beloveds,
So now I am so confused.... .which one is it? Is it global warming
or global cooling that is going on??? What is the KS perspective on
this? I remember Ash saying that global warming was not happening from
CO2 emissions alone and that many other factors were contributing such
as the bases hidden beneath the polar caps and other FA type
shenanigans but I have no recollection of her talking about global
cooling. I feel this is a very important thing to know since it would
very much affect my decisions in regards to finding home. I have been
anticipating a global warming scenario which has made me skeptical of
relocating in desert type areas in anticipation that water will become
more and more scarce in such areas and northern climates more stable
as far as water and maybe winters becoming less harsh with the global
warming..... but it sounds like I have it backwards??? ? I skimmed
through the global cooling articles and just became frustrated since
it sounds like the talking heads can make arguments from either
side.....and it seemed to me that some of those on the "cooling" side
of the argument just want to justify their continued exploitation of
Earth's resources. The Green energy movement at least, to me, seem
more in alignment with respecting Earth's body....anyway I am very
curious what the KS perspective is in regards to this. Thankyou so
much, Lava Jenny

#559

From: "Wilbur Southey" <wilbur@...>
Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 12:03 pm
Subject: RE: The Emerging sunspot Cycle 24 and teh Weakening Magnetic Field

azuresky33

Yes, interesting - although I haven't read the whole article yet. There are definitely major changes going on in our Solar System, and, as far as I can tell, it's related to our dear Sun.

Los of Lava,

From: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lorinda
Sent: Sunday, 1 March 2009 02:46
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NaturalScienceKS] The Emerging sunspot Cycle 24 and teh Weakening Magnetic Field

Another interesting article came my way yesterday. One person – Michael Mandeville (EarthChange Bulletins) - thinks it is rubbish and not “good science” – and scientific documentation is sprayed though out the article, some of which seems to support KS theories. It is a long article.

Food for thought.

MWM states-
There is an enormous amount of bad science in this piece below. Much is speculative guessing, not real stuff. More like a Sci Fi scary story.

Let me point to the most obvious fundamental contradiction of this material. The magnetic fields of the solar system are all linked through the plasmosphere of the Sun's Atmosphere. In fact we are all IN the Solar Atmosphere, there is no "outer space void". Any change in the Sun's solar wind will induce change in the magnetic fields of and on earth. During the past 30 years the solar wind output has been deceasing along with the decreasing average solar sunspot count (all solar output is linked). One magnetic field moving past another magnetic field induces another as an equal and opposite reaction. This is the iron law of the cosmos and highly suitable for iron core planets. Decreasing solar field output MUST produce decreasing magentic fields in the planets, shrinkage of their ionic and elemental atmospheres. When average solar output increases, average magnetic fields will increase. Simple. Elegant. Case 1 closed. P.S. You can see the truth of all this in the graph the article uses.

Secondly, as I have been showing in the EC Bulletin on the web, via solar cycle graphs, most likely solar output during SS 24 will be smallish compared to the past 60 years of solar cycle peaks. It is not possible to predict its exact size, there are too many fluctuations in the cosmic frame and any historical statistical inference is simply doomed to failure, we do not have a long enough database, but we can in fact see that this coming cycle, more likely than not, is not gong to break any records and the peak period will be less extreme than most if not all of the peak periods of our lifetimes. Partly this "guesstimate" is based on the long slow ramp up we are now experiencing in solar activity. Small solar cycles are very much like what we are now experiencing. Simple, elegant. Case 2 closed. P.S. This means average magnetic fields of the planets will ramain smaller, weaker, atmospheres more compacted, etc. though of course they will surge up somewhat as SS 24 ramps into its peak.

What does all this mean? For the most part, NOT MUCH for most people. All extremes should be less than in the preceding solar cycles. But since Global Warming climate shift is driven partly by tectonic change, this may still increase the warming related trends. At the moment this has plateaued somewhat and so the trends should take a vacation for a year or a few. Beyond that it is impossible to predict the "change in the earth" from tectonic motion, that takes off-world intelligence with about 100,000 year database to make valid predictions. One change of note, with less solar flux, humans will be less driven by emotionality, more by logic, which is a VERY GOOD THING. They will be less susceptible to Globalist Orwellian manipulations, which are primarily emotional in nature. Their logic, when calmly examined, easily dissolves into a pile of rubbish. Only sticky schmooze of emotional "charges" provides the glue to hold it together. Or in other words, the timing of the Globalists for making their "end play" during this coming solar cycle may be God Awful. (pun intended). Thank Gawful!!!

One final thought, people talking about the interior of the Earth "churning" are hilarious. That stuff down there is so compacted and pressurized, ain't nothing churning or flowing baby, no way no how. Oh, electrons may flow, in fact do, but the elemental matrix does not move hardly at all, except to adjust very slightly and very slowly to any changes in the cosmic frame. And yes, a very small amount of material ON THE TOPmost layer oozes slowly out of the cracks in the crust occassionally (which are produced primarily by the play of the Sun and Moon playing tug of war with the solid thin crystal sheets we know as continents).

It is very simple if you attune to the observable basic concepts and consistently apply them in the only ways they can work.

-MWM

>ONLY LOVE PREVAILS

>Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 5:08 AM
>Dear Friends,
>
>Click the link if you don't receive the images/can't access the links.
>
><http://www.alexansary.com/Editorial/Sun%20spots%20and%20a%20weakened%20magnetic%20field.html>http://www.alexansary.com/Editorial/Sun%20spots%20and%20a%20weakened%20magnetic%20field.html
>
>
>The Emerging Sunspot Cycle 24 and a Weakening Magnetic Field - What does this mean for our planet and species?
>

Much LaVA

Lorinda

#560

From: "Wilbur Southey" <wilbur@...>
Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 12:08 pm
Subject: RE: Global Warming - fact or fraud - or neither?

azuresky33

RE: Yet on arstechnica, they seem to say...the opposite?

I think it's simply a case of we just have to 'wait and see'. One things is certain, the weather will continue to become more unpredictable...

One thing that is most apparent to me is that - at the moment - the Sun Spot Cycle is showing behaviour somewhat like it did 300 years ago or so when they had the last mini ice age (nothing too extreme, just much colder temperatures, and they had things happen like the Thames freezing over,etc.)

Much Lava,

From: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lorinda
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009 04:12
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NaturalScienceKS] Global Warming - fact or fraud - or neither?

Hi Wilbur and all

When looking at the links you posted, there is indeed a lot of misinterpretation of data (on both sides) – based on periods that are just too short to be definitive – as the below Blog indicates.

This article has the Blogg I was thinking of…there are many entries in this blog, so to get a better understanding – go read it all. The blogs are below the actual article.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ipcc-scientists-caught-producing-false-data-to-push-global-%20warming.html Arctic Sees Massive Gain in Ice Coverage

Some blogs from within this link: Begin Quote

By masher2 (blog) on 9/4/2008 11:28:01 AM , Rating: 2

By omnicronx on 9/4/08, Rating: 3

Much LaVA

Lorinda

#561

From: "Lorinda" <lorindap2001@...>
Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 1:25 pm
Subject: RE: Global Warming - fact or fraud - or neither?

lorindap2001

RE: Yet on arstechnica, they seem to say...the opposite?

Hi JosE

My normal email background is blue sky with fluffy clouds! That is probably what you are seeing! LOL

I guess Yahoo strips if off and add it as an attachment! Very useful J

Much LAVA

Lorinda

-----Original Message-----
From: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jo Milligan
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:55 PM
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NaturalScienceKS] Global Warming - fact or fraud - or neither?

Hi Beloved Lorinda,

What does it mean when you find an attachment like on your last post, which is just a piece of sky? Did you mean to attach that?

I've noticed similar gifs on other emails from time to time and just wondered, are they being attached by someone else?

LaVa, JosE'yana

From: Lorinda <lorindap2001@...>
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 2 March, 2009 2:12:16 AM
Subject: [NaturalScienceKS] Global Warming - fact or fraud - or neither?

Hi Wilbur and all

When looking at the links you posted, there is indeed a lot of misinterpretation of data (on both sides) – based on periods that are just too short to be definitive – as the below Blog indicates.

This article has the Blogg I was thinking of…there are many entries in this blog, so to get a better understanding – go read it all. The blogs are below the actual article.

http://www.prisonpl anet.com/ ipcc-scientists- caught-producing -false-data- to-push-global- %20warming. html Arctic Sees Massive Gain in Ice Coverage

Some blogs from within this link: Begin Quote

By masher2 (blog) on 9/4/2008 11:28:01 AM , Rating: 2

By omnicronx on 9/4/08, Rating: 3

Much LaVA

Lorinda

#562

From: "Lorinda" <lorindap2001@...>
Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 1:31 pm
Subject: RE: Global Warming - fact or fraud - or neither?

lorindap2001

RE: Yet on arstechnica, they seem to say...the opposite?

So sun spots diminished to near nothing during that period too – is that right Wilbur?

That was the Middle Ages mini ice-age – the ?? Mauder period – is that the one?

I’ll see if I can find more info on that period!! Interesting.

Much LAVA

Lorinda

-----Original Message-----
From: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wilbur Southey
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:09 PM
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [NaturalScienceKS] Global Warming - fact or fraud - or neither?

I think it's simply a case of we just have to 'wait and see'. One things is certain, the weather will continue to become more unpredictable...

Much Lava,

Hi Wilbur and all

When looking at the links you posted, there is indeed a lot of misinterpretation of data (on both sides) – based on periods that are just too short to be definitive – as the below Blog indicates.

This article has the Blogg I was thinking of…there are many entries in this blog, so to get a better understanding – go read it all. The blogs are below the actual article.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ipcc-scientists-caught-producing-false-data-to-push-global-%20warming.html Arctic Sees Massive Gain in Ice Coverage

Some blogs from within this link: Begin Quote

By masher2 (blog) on 9/4/2008 11:28:01 AM , Rating: 2

By omnicronx on 9/4/08, Rating: 3

Much LaVA

Lorinda

#563

From: "Wilbur Southey" <wilbur@...>
Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 1:59 pm
Subject: RE: Global Warming - fact or fraud - or neither?

azuresky33

RE: Yet on arstechnica, they seem to say...the opposite?

"So sun spots diminished to near nothing during that period too – is that right Wilbur?"

Yup

"That was the Middle Ages mini ice-age – the ?? Mauder period – is that the one?"

I'm not sure what it's called, but, yes, that sounds like it.

"I’ll see if I can find more info on that period!! Interesting."

Great stuff, Lorinda, let us know what you find!

Lotsa Lava,

From: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lorinda
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009 15:32
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [NaturalScienceKS] Global Warming - fact or fraud - or neither?

So sun spots diminished to near nothing during that period too – is that right Wilbur?

That was the Middle Ages mini ice-age – the ?? Mauder period – is that the one?

I’ll see if I can find more info on that period!! Interesting.

Much LAVA

Lorinda

I think it's simply a case of we just have to 'wait and see'. One things is certain, the weather will continue to become more unpredictable...

Much Lava,

Hi Wilbur and all

When looking at the links you posted, there is indeed a lot of misinterpretation of data (on both sides) – based on periods that are just too short to be definitive – as the below Blog indicates.

This article has the Blogg I was thinking of…there are many entries in this blog, so to get a better understanding – go read it all. The blogs are below the actual article.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ipcc-scientists-caught-producing-false-data-to-push-global-%20warming.html Arctic Sees Massive Gain in Ice Coverage

Some blogs from within this link: Begin Quote

By masher2 (blog) on 9/4/2008 11:28:01 AM , Rating: 2

By omnicronx on 9/4/08, Rating: 3

Much LaVA

Lorinda

#564

From: Jo Milligan <jmilligan@...>
Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: Global Warming - fact or fraud - or neither?

joseyana12

RE: Yet on arstechnica, they seem to say...the opposite?

Aaah! So that is all! :-))

Thank you Beloved

Eternal LaVa,

JosE

From: Lorinda <lorindap2001@...>
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 2 March, 2009 1:25:59 PM
Subject: RE: [NaturalScienceKS] Global Warming - fact or fraud - or neither?

Hi JosE

My normal email background is blue sky with fluffy clouds! That is probably what you are seeing! LOL

I guess Yahoo strips if off and add it as an attachment! Very useful J

Much LAVA

Lorinda

-----Original Message-----
From: NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:NaturalScie nceKS@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Jo Milligan
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:55 PM
To: NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [NaturalScienceKS] Global Warming - fact or fraud - or neither?

Hi Beloved Lorinda,

What does it mean when you find an attachment like on your last post, which is just a piece of sky? Did you mean to attach that?

I've noticed similar gifs on other emails from time to time and just wondered, are they being attached by someone else?

LaVa, JosE'yana

From: Lorinda <lorindap2001@ yahoo.com. au>
To: NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, 2 March, 2009 2:12:16 AM
Subject: [NaturalScienceKS] Global Warming - fact or fraud - or neither?

Hi Wilbur and all

When looking at the links you posted, there is indeed a lot of misinterpretation of data (on both sides) – based on periods that are just too short to be definitive – as the below Blog indicates.

This article has the Blogg I was thinking of…there are many entries in this blog, so to get a better understanding – go read it all. The blogs are below the actual article.

http://www.prisonpl anet.com/ ipcc-scientists- caught-producing -false-data- to-push-global- %20warming. html Arctic Sees Massive Gain in Ice Coverage

Some blogs from within this link: Begin Quote

By masher2 (blog) on 9/4/2008 11:28:01 AM , Rating: 2

By omnicronx on 9/4/08, Rating: 3

Much LaVA

Lorinda

#565

From: Jo Milligan <jmilligan@...>
Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 2:47 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

joseyana12

http://www.nasa. gov/topics/ earth/features/ 2008_temps. html

Beloved Wilbur,

Thank you for your lovely reply.

When did the lack of Sun spots begin? Are sun spots a sign of high energy / aliveness?

Re: NASA's graph, it looks to me as if according to what they are admitting, they are saying the recent cooling began in 2007?! I guess as you say, it is too early to tell anything, we will just have to wait and see.

Eternal LaVa,

JosE

From: Wilbur Southey <wilbur@...>
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 2 March, 2009 11:54:12 AM
Subject: RE: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

Hi JosE,

Thanks for that NASA link. I'm glad to see them admitting it now - something one is unlikely to see on the evening news though :- )

Much Lava,

From: NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:NaturalScie nceKS@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Jo Milligan
Sent: Sunday, 1 March 2009 01:00
To: NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

Hi Jenny,

Re: the overall picture at the moment, maybe this graph will help:

Thank you Wilbur for your wonderful posts and for explaining that the sudden cooling may have more to do with the sun than anything else. I wonder how far the cooling will go.

http://www.newscien tist.com/ article/mg187251 24.500

Much LaVa,

JosE

From: Wilbur Southey <wilbur@i360. co.za>
To: NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, 28 February, 2009 8:15:02 PM
Subject: RE: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

Hi Jenny,

I hope that helps clear up some of your confusion...

Lots of Lava,

Wilbur

#566

From: "Wilbur Southey" <wilbur@...>
Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 2:59 pm
Subject: FW: Global Warming - fact or fraud - or neither?

azuresky33

RE: Yet on arstechnica, they seem to say...the opposite?

Not sure why some of my posts are not showing up on the group, but here's another second attempt...

From: Wilbur Southey [mailto:wilbur@...]
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009 16:00
To: 'NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [NaturalScienceKS] Global Warming - fact or fraud - or neither?

"So sun spots diminished to near nothing during that period too – is that right Wilbur?"

Yup

"That was the Middle Ages mini ice-age – the ?? Mauder period – is that the one?"

I'm not sure what it's called, but, yes, that sounds like it.

"I’ll see if I can find more info on that period!! Interesting."

Great stuff, Lorinda, let us know what you find!

Lotsa Lava,

So sun spots diminished to near nothing during that period too – is that right Wilbur?

That was the Middle Ages mini ice-age – the ?? Mauder period – is that the one?

I’ll see if I can find more info on that period!! Interesting.

Much LAVA

Lorinda

I think it's simply a case of we just have to 'wait and see'. One things is certain, the weather will continue to become more unpredictable...

Much Lava,

Hi Wilbur and all

When looking at the links you posted, there is indeed a lot of misinterpretation of data (on both sides) – based on periods that are just too short to be definitive – as the below Blog indicates.

This article has the Blogg I was thinking of…there are many entries in this blog, so to get a better understanding – go read it all. The blogs are below the actual article.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ipcc-scientists-caught-producing-false-data-to-push-global-%20warming.html Arctic Sees Massive Gain in Ice Coverage

Some blogs from within this link: Begin Quote

By masher2 (blog) on 9/4/2008 11:28:01 AM , Rating: 2

By omnicronx on 9/4/08, Rating: 3

Much LaVA

Lorinda

#567

From: "Wilbur Southey" <wilbur@...>
Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 3:04 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

azuresky33

http://www.spaceweather.com/glossary/sunspotplotter.htm?PHPSESSID=3fo7g7vsced6pa95a6f8dt2p23

Dear JosE,

Here's a link with a graph for the Sun Spots:

"Re: NASA's graph, it looks to me as if according to what they are admitting, they are saying the recent cooling began in 2007?!"

Yes, that's pretty much the info I have had too. The warming ended in 2003 and the cooling began in January 2007.

Much Lava,

Wilbur

From: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jo Milligan
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009 16:47
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

Beloved Wilbur,

Thank you for your lovely reply.

When did the lack of Sun spots begin? Are sun spots a sign of high energy / aliveness?

Eternal LaVa,

JosE

From: Wilbur Southey <wilbur@i360.co.za>
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 2 March, 2009 11:54:12 AM
Subject: RE: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

Hi JosE,

Thanks for that NASA link. I'm glad to see them admitting it now - something one is unlikely to see on the evening news though :- )

Much Lava,

From: NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:NaturalScie nceKS@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Jo Milligan
Sent: Sunday, 1 March 2009 01:00
To: NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

Hi Jenny,

Re: the overall picture at the moment, maybe this graph will help:

http://www.nasa. gov/topics/ earth/features/ 2008_temps. html

Thank you Wilbur for your wonderful posts and for explaining that the sudden cooling may have more to do with the sun than anything else. I wonder how far the cooling will go.

http://www.newscien tist.com/ article/mg187251 24.500

Much LaVa,

JosE

From: Wilbur Southey <wilbur@i360. co.za>
To: NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, 28 February, 2009 8:15:02 PM
Subject: RE: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

Hi Jenny,

I hope that helps clear up some of your confusion...

Lots of Lava,

Wilbur

#568

From: "Wilbur Southey" <wilbur@...>
Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 3:20 pm
Subject: FW: Posts going missing...

azuresky33

Another try, this time I've removed the previous message texts, perhaps there is something in it that Yahoo "doesn't like" (if this one goes through then we'll know that is the case.)

From: Wilbur Southey [mailto:wilbur@...]
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009 17:15
To: 'NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: Posts going missing...

Ok, I'm going to try copying & pasting, because replying to this particular message simply isn't working (I've tried sending it 3 times and it seems Yahoo is just swallowing up into some black hole or something.)

From: Wilbur Southey [mailto:wilbur@...]
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009

To: 'NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: FW: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

a third attempt...

From: Wilbur Southey [mailto:wilbur@...]
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009 16:58
To: 'NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: FW: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

Not sure why some of my posts are not showing up on the group, but here's a second attempt...

From: Wilbur Southey [mailto:wilbur@...]
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009 13:58
To: 'NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

Thanks for sharing, JosE,

Yes, I agree with your idea about them heating in certain places. there are definitely some new hotspots.

Interesting about the L.E.T.S, thanks...

Lots of Lava,

Wilbur

#569

From: "Wilbur Southey" <wilbur@...>
Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 3:15 pm
Subject: Posts going missing...

azuresky33

http://www.lets-linkup.com/

From: Wilbur Southey [mailto:wilbur@...]
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009

To: 'NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: FW: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

a third attempt...

Not sure why some of my posts are not showing up on the group, but here's a second attempt...

Thanks for sharing, JosE,

Yes, I agree with your idea about them heating in certain places. there are definitely some new hotspots.

Interesting about the L.E.T.S, thanks...

Lots of Lava,

Wilbur

From: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jo Milligan
Sent: Saturday, 28 February 2009 17:45
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

Hi Wilbur,

Yes I had heard they were working on GM mosquitoes - no doubt all part of their crazy sick plan to wipe out earth populations to create the space for their master race. What kind of world are they building for themselves?! God help them, is all I can say.

Re: expecting colder conditions. Maybe this is why they are heating certain places under the ice caps, to create images to help reinforce the deception, so that they can continue to drain people's precious last funds. This is probably why certain scientists are so confused!

Re: funds and control.... that reminds me, a few years ago I heard that the government had tried banning people using the L.E.T.S. scheme (Local Exchange Trading System ) and had even tried taxing people who were using it. I wonder why!!!!

Eternal LaVa,

JosE

From: Wilbur Southey <wilbur@i360.co.za>
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 28 February, 2009 2:42:55 PM
Subject: RE: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

Thanks for posting this, JosE. It's a well-written article and the author is spot-on, of course. I was listening to an interview the other day with a woman who used to work for the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. She said they were working on genetically modifying mosquitoes to carry vaccines - so they would become like little flying syringes... another really DAFT idea for sure! It's a case of Atlantis revisited, so no real big surprises there, really. ' same people, as we know, with the same really bad ideas. Hopefully as many sensible people as possible catch wind of these scams and insidious plans before they are fully-implemented and stand up and say NO, not in my name.

Lots of Lava,

Wilbur

From: NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:NaturalScie nceKS@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Jo Milligan
Sent: Saturday, 28 February 2009 15:43
To: NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

Hi Beloveds,

Interesting what you said Ed about following the money, thought this article was interesting!

http://www.globalre search.ca/ index.php? context=va&aid=7529

Eternal LaVa,

JosE

#570

From: "Wilbur Southey" <wilbur@...>
Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:58 am
Subject: RE: Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

azuresky33

http://www.lets-linkup.com/

Thanks for sharing, JosE,

Yes, I agree with your idea about them heating in certain places. there are definitely some new hotspots.

Interesting about the L.E.T.S, thanks...

Lots of Lava,

Wilbur

Hi Wilbur,

Eternal LaVa,

JosE

Lots of Lava,

Wilbur

Hi Beloveds,

Interesting what you said Ed about following the money, thought this article was interesting!

http://www.globalre search.ca/ index.php? context=va&aid=7529

Eternal LaVa,

JosE

From: twinsong21 <twinsong21@yahoo. com>
To: NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, 26 February, 2009 9:33:33 PM
Subject: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

Hi ya,

If ever there was a issue reaming with politics, smokescreens,
propaganda, divide & conquer & most importantly of all...
the need to follow the money, this is it. Depending on where the laws
& public attitudes/sentiment s will be swayed there's lots of
potential winners & losers. Not to mention scientist on the
take, from both sides of the arguement.

Thanks for the links though, however, I can't & won't
say this will make me sleep any easier. To me the enlightened
common sense observation that the staggering amount of
pollutants that find their way into the eco-system daily
is not a good thing for the health & well-being of the
planet & its inhabitants. A point that's seldom heard
in the smokescreen madness, hence the divide & conquer
strategy working its magic.

To Our Robust Health,

EDG.

--- In NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com, "Lorinda"
<lorindap2001@ ...> wrote:
>
> Thank Wilbur
>
>
>
> Appreciate your input!!
>
>
>
> I did read before that the atmospheric CO2 levels have been
dropping for the
> last couple of years and did wonder how this correlated.and that
the new
> satellite hatch did not open as planned and fell into the ocean
near the
> Antarctic.
>
>
>
> I will take some time and read, as suggested!
>
>
>
> Much LAVA
>
>
>
> Lorinda
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Wilbur
Southey
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:51 PM
> To: NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: RE: [NaturalScienceKS] Polar regions found warming fast,
raising
> sea levels
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Lorinda,
>
>
>
> I find it interesting to see how this climate-thing has become very
> political at the expense of real science and common sense.
The "Global
> Warming CO2" BS is being used to impose a global carbon tax - on
everyone,
> including individuals, and along with it, they intend (to cause),
more loss
> personal freedoms. It is not technically possible for CO2 to
cause global
> warming and it definitely is not what caused (the now-past) global
warming,
> as I am sure you are aware.
>
>
>
> My point here is that the earth is no longer warming (due to a now
prolonged
> lack of Solar activity), and we are being lied to about the real
situation
> (although I don't doubt there is some ice melting in some places -
on the
> whole far more is forming, see below); and I'll also throw a bit
of info, as
> background for those who are interested, exposing the CO2
nonsense...
>
>
>
> [Whilst I am all for looking after the environment, I am not for
fake
> science masquerading as something benevolent. The bottom line is
that there
> are few very well-paid "scientists" who are promoting this lie - no
> scientists worth his/her salt would put their name behind the CO2
hoax; and,
> indeed, tens of thousands of scientists do call it what it is: a
hoax. It's
> actually a massive scam and the mainstream media are mostly in on
it/fooled
> by it. Lots is being invested into this new scam and only a few
months ago
> NASA/their peers were caught "mistakenly" falsely-reporting data
in order to
> make temperatures look higher than they were (article below.)
Recently they
> also "missed" 500 000 square kilometres of ice because of a "sensor
> malfunction" . Also: NASA's new Orbiting Carbon Observatory (
> http://oco.jpl. <http://oco.jpl. nasa.gov/>
nasa.gov/ ) "mysteriously" didn't
> make it into orbit after launch a few days ago. This satellite
would have
> provided some extensive data - data, I have no doubt, which would
have done
> serious damage to the "Global Warming CO2" theory had it made into
space.]
>
>
>
> The truth of the matter is that global warming ended in 2003 and
we are now
> in fact in a global cooling situation, as of 2007. (The Earth's
average
> temperature has dropped significantly over the past 2 years.)
>
>
>
> Here are just a few articles if you feel like doing some reading
on the
> subject (if the moderators of this group would prefer that I not
post too
> many links here in future then let me know)...
>
>
>
> Arctic Sees Massive Gain in Ice Coverage:
>
> http://www.dailytec <! ! http://www.dailytec h.com/Article. aspx?
newsid=12851>
> h.com/Article. aspx?newsid= 12851
>
>
>
> Networks Wrong On Global Warming Again; Arctic Ice Still There -
Predictions
> of open water prove incorrect as 1.74 million square miles of ice
survive:
>
> http://www.business
> <http://www.business andmedia. org/articles/ 2008/20080917152 523.aspx>
> andmedia.org/ articles/ 2008/20080917152 523.aspx
>
>
>
> Arctic Sea Ice Underestimated for Weeks Due to Faulty Sensor:
>
> http://www.bloomber
> <http://www.bloomber g.com/apps/ news?pid= 20601110& sid=aIe9swvOqwIY>
> g.com/apps/news? pid=20601110& sid=aIe9swvOqwIY
>
>
>
> IPCC Scientists Caught Producing False Data To Push Global Warming:
>
> http://www.prisonpl
> <http://www.prisonpl anet.com/ ipcc-scientists- caught-producing -
false-data-to-
> push-global- warming.html>
> anet.com/ipcc- scientists- caught-producing -false-data- to-push-
global-warming.
> html
>
>
>
> MIT scientists baffled by global warming theory, contradicts
scientific
> data:
>
> http://www.tgdaily.
> <http://www.tgdaily. com/html_ tmp/content- view-39973- 113.html>
> com/html_tmp/ content-view- 39973-113. html
>
>
>
> Video clip of polar ice increasing:
>
> http://www.youtube. <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=cKLiHWRaJU4>
> com/watch?v= cKLiHWRaJU4
>
>
>
> Graphs displaying the Earth's actual temperature data:
>
> http://www.propagan
>
<http://www.propagan damatrix. com/articles/ july2008/ 071808_conclusiv el
y_debun
> ked.htm>
damatrix.com/ articles/ july2008/ 071808_conclusiv ely_debunked. htm
>
>
>
> The Amazing Story Behind the Global Warming Scam:
>
> http://www.kusi.
<http://www.kusi. com/weather/ colemanscorner/ 38574742. html>
> com/weather/ colemanscorner/ 38574742. html
>
>
>
> Australian 'greenhouse gas' scientist reverses his position on the
subject:
>
> http://www.theaustr
> <http://www.theaustr alian.news. com.au/story/ 0,25197,24036736 -
7583,00.html>
> alian.news.com. au/story/ 0,25197,24036736 -7583,00. html
>
>
>
> Ex-NASA scientist exposes the 'global warming' scam:
>
> http://www.brojon.
> <http://www.brojon. org/frontpage/ global/globalwar ming1.html>
> org/frontpage/ global/globalwar ming1.html
>
>
>
> Lots of Lava,
>
> Wilbur
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Lorinda
> Sent: Thursday, 26 February 2009 06:32
> To: NaturalScienceKS@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [NaturalScienceKS] Polar regions found warming fast,
raising sea
> levels
>
> Interesting article.
>
> http://news.
<http://news. yahoo.com/ s/nm/20090225/ sc_nm/us_ climate_polars_ 4>
> yahoo.com/s/ nm/20090225/ sc_nm/us_ climate_polars_ 4
>
> Much LaVA
>
> Lorinda
>
> .
>
>
> <http://geo.yahoo. com/serv?! !
s=97359714/grpId= 22551363/ grpspId=17050836 63/msgI
> d =526/stime= 1235622709/ nc1=3848644/ nc2=4836038/ nc3=5191952>
>

#571

From: "Lorinda" <lorindap2001@...>
Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 4:00 pm
Subject: RE: FW: Posts going missing...

lorindap2001

Hi Wilbur

Yahoo caught them as spam for some reason!! So I have delted the 2^nd/3^rd ones and let 1^st and fourth through.

Much LAVA

Lorinda

-----Original Message-----
From: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wilbur Southey
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 2:21 AM
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NaturalScienceKS] FW: Posts going missing...

Another try, this time I've removed the previous message texts, perhaps there is something in it that Yahoo "doesn't like" (if this one goes through then we'll know that is the case.)

From: Wilbur Southey [mailto:wilbur@i360.co.za]
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009 17:15
To: 'NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: Posts going missing...

From: Wilbur Southey [mailto:wilbur@i360.co.za]
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009

To: 'NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: FW: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

a third attempt...

From: Wilbur Southey [mailto:wilbur@i360.co.za]
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009 16:58
To: 'NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: FW: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

Not sure why some of my posts are not showing up on the group, but here's a second attempt...

From: Wilbur Southey [mailto:wilbur@i360.co.za]
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009 13:58
To: 'NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [NaturalScienceKS] Re: Polar regions found warming fast, raising sea levels

Thanks for sharing, JosE,

Yes, I agree with your idea about them heating in certain places. there are definitely some new hotspots.

Interesting about the L.E.T.S, thanks...

Lots of Lava,

Wilbur

#572

From: "puji" <gaiastellar@...>
Date: Tue Mar 3, 2009 11:15 am
Subject: global warming and 'prison planet'

gaiastellar

Dear all,

interesting thread. of course the guardians have pointed out that all
the plantes in our solar system are warming(anyone have a decent link
to a scientific source of this information), and at  least on earth
this is due to FA activities. Of course, the sun and its output must
have some bearing on this, and since there have virtually no sunspots
since the sun enetered its bardoah cycle, does this effect global
temperature?

As for this site 'Prison Planet', i'm sure everyone has 'discermant
filters on full' when considering this information. One thing i've
noticed about this site is that they don't seem to cite references
for their information.

And since its quite a popular website i'm sure if they had really hit
the nail on the head it would be shut down or used as disinformation
by now.

aqua lava

paul uk

#573

From: "Wilbur Southey" <wilbur@...>
Date: Tue Mar 3, 2009 11:58 am
Subject: RE: global warming and 'prison planet'

azuresky33

http://www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/05-14-2004_Interplanetary_Part_1/Interplanetary_1.htm

Hi Paul,

Re. Solar System heating, here's an article I found a few years ago that discusses it quite well (with lots of references):

(in 3 parts)

I think it is quite apparent, while going through some of the info in the article, that there are FA shenanigans involved in it all.

Of course the situation with the Sun (no activity, lower radiation output, when it was 'expected' instead to be active) is now playing a major role in the cooling we are seeing on Earth. As for the other planets, I'm not sure what the current temperature information is for them (the article was written in 2004 using data from previous years) and I think it would be very interesting to see. As I recall, some of them were heating from the inside out (e.g. Pluto.)

Much Lava,

From: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of puji
Sent: Tuesday, 3 March 2009 13:15
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NaturalScienceKS] global warming and 'prison planet'

Dear all,

interesting thread. of course the guardians have pointed out that all
the plantes in our solar system are warming(anyone have a decent link
to a scientific source of this information), and at least on earth
this is due to FA activities. Of course, the sun and its output must
have some bearing on this, and since there have virtually no sunspots
since the sun enetered its bardoah cycle, does this effect global
temperature?

As for this site 'Prison Planet', i'm sure everyone has 'discermant
filters on full' when considering this information. One thing i've
noticed about this site is that they don't seem to cite references
for their information.

And since its quite a popular website i'm sure if they had really hit
the nail on the head it would be shut down or used as disinformation
by now.

aqua lava

paul uk

#574

From: "puji" <gaiastellar@...>
Date: Tue Mar 3, 2009 12:02 pm
Subject: Global warming discussion...

gaiastellar

Hi all,

There have been some very interested posts regarding this debate. Of
course the guardians have pointed out the truth of this - that there is
warming, but its not man made.

Whats left to do for those of us who are interested is to find the pure
science and raw data that shows in the external hologram of the
planetary environment the evidence for this.

Many of the links that have been posted to this site about this topic
linnk to articles which are interesting but of themselves to do not
allow scrutiny of the data (many of the articles are gone now).

I am interested in this topic. I have a lot of friends who,  altohugh
well meaning, have become fully involved with the global warming hoax.

I would be interested in any debate that can link us to the raw data,
so we can analyse it and come to our own conclusions. The role of 'new
science' has been to get us all to rely on paid scientists to interpret
and tranlate data and arrive at conclusions for us.

I am quite happy to take out the middle men and go staight to
scientific analysis myself.

aqua lava
paul uk

Reply | Messages in this Topic (3)

#575

From: "Wilbur Southey" <wilbur@...>
Date: Tue Mar 3, 2009 12:45 pm
Subject: RE: Global warming discussion...

azuresky33

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/ncoda_web/ncoda.html

Hi again Paul,

Here are some links to 'raw' data (some are combined with predication models and most are weighted using a number of formulae which should be available somewhere on some Web page.)

There was a guy from prisonplanet.com who did a very thorough analysis of the data an put up a page that I saw a few weeks ago - with some very nice graphs, explanations and deciphering of NASA's weighting system for their data - but I'm unable to find the article at the moment (if I find it I will share it here.)

Temperature data:

http://nsidc.org

http://nsidc.org/data/

http://www.mercator-ocean.fr/html/mod_actu/public/welcome_en.php3

http://www.usgodae.org/

http://www.usgodae.org/las/servlets/dataset

If there were extra time available, I'd do an analysis myself, but that's not likely to happen any time soon since this is not my focus at present. If you or someone here has the time to go through it all then please do share it here with us...

Sun Spot data/info:

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/SolarCycle/

Magnetic maps of the Sun:

http://soi.stanford.edu/data/full_farside/

Tamino’s Folly - Temperatures did drop this past decade:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/21/tamino%E2%80%99s-folly-temperatures-did-drop/

Much Lava,

Wilbur

From: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of puji
Sent: Tuesday, 3 March 2009 14:02
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NaturalScienceKS] Global warming discussion...

Hi all,

There have been some very interested posts regarding this debate. Of
course the guardians have pointed out the truth of this - that there is
warming, but its not man made.

Whats left to do for those of us who are interested is to find the pure
science and raw data that shows in the external hologram of the
planetary environment the evidence for this.

Many of the links that have been posted to this site about this topic
linnk to articles which are interesting but of themselves to do not
allow scrutiny of the data (many of the articles are gone now).

I am interested in this topic. I have a lot of friends who, altohugh
well meaning, have become fully involved with the global warming hoax.

I would be interested in any debate that can link us to the raw data,
so we can analyse it and come to our own conclusions. The role of 'new
science' has been to get us all to rely on paid scientists to interpret
and tranlate data and arrive at conclusions for us.

I am quite happy to take out the middle men and go staight to
scientific analysis myself.

aqua lava
paul uk

Reply | Messages in this Topic (3)

#576

From: "Lorinda" <lorindap2001@...>
Date: Tue Mar 3, 2009 1:22 pm
Subject: RE: global warming and 'prison planet'

lorindap2001

Hi Paul and all

Ten years or more ago - I was studying sacred geometry with Dan Winter. I think between 1998-2001 timeframe..

One of the things we discussed and looked at - was a whole load of science material (documents, pictures and video's) regarding the changed and continuing to change - frequency of the fields surrounding each planet in our solar system. This was not a 5% increase or something occurring - but 1000%, 900%, 600% - each planet was a bit different - but still hugely different to their norm's!! It created an opaque white misty cloud around the perimeter of each planet and is (I am assuming still is) visible by various strength telescopes. Each of the planets underneath this misty cloud were also warming to the similar or same extent that Earth was as well - percentages were similar. This was the work of various quite well-known scientists (no clue who now? might be able to find out though). Has anyone else seen this?

I mention this because it may not be FA related activities, but activities related to the coming SAC - the preparation of the SS for the SAC. Or alternatively, it may be FA related in that they needed to make these same changes in all planets in the Solar System - to enable them to do what they had in their plans, during the SAC. Either way - I feel sure it was related to the SAC period - and possibly occurs during every 26,??? year cycle. Originally KS was indicating the planets had to line up - dimensionally - for ascension to occur from D1 to D2. Stairstep creation back up though the Densities. The way back now has changed of course, but the effects of teh original plan is perhaps still in place? Just my thoughts!

Human activity cannot create more than a miniscule probablility of polluting the entire Solar System - which I know we have been fed for a long time now (that human activity has created global warming). I think the figure I have heard is that human activity is contributing around 2% of Earth's global warming - so would be signifcantly less than that for the rest of the Solar System. And we find there is now a large discussion happening planet -wide as to whether global warming or global cooling is in place.

So if not for the SAC (either Krystic or FA), the whole SS is warming up (or is it?) and generating huge fields of frequency around all the planets - is for some other unknown reason! Scientists do not know why!

The end of Sun Cycle 23 - I think it was officially October/November 2006? - was punctuated by the North Pole spiral (cannot remember the name of it now - but I think it was to do with Schumann's Resonance of the planet) - becoming immobile for 3 months. This spirals in and out (and creates the wobbles) with each Sun Cycle normally. There has been occasions where either the spiral out Or the spiral in has stopped for a little while - but both together had never stopped before. It did on November 9th 2006 or similar date. It was believed by scientists at the time to be related to the huge Indonesian earthquke the previous December - still rebounding in the grids. The spiral/wobble resumed again February 2007 - and the spin cycle was much smaller, then kinda normalised later in 2007.. In additon, the sun spots dramatically reduced in both volume and volatility - and finally stopped almost completely mid last year. There has been several consective months of zero sun-spots and most have tiny numbers compared to the past. I often wondered what this actually meant to us here!

In an earlier post from Wilbur, he mentioned we are no longer in a global warming - but in a global cooling - situation. And that certainly seems to be the case. And it fits the "no sun spots" theory as well. Wilbur mentioned that no sun spots last occurred during the last mini-ice age - the Maunder Period - the 300-year very cold period that occurred in Europe (and proably elsewhere) in the Middle Ages period. This apparently happens quickly (within 30-50 years)...good insulatation will be a must!!

I do not know if lack of sun spots it is related to the Sun Bhardoa period - possibly! My understanding is the Sun will be very turbulent for a very long time to come - and will get hotter and the planet will lose it's protective atmosphere eventually - many will not be able to survive the radiation of teh surface so will need to live underground - so will become barren and uninhabitable - before it explodes. This could be billions of years away...I hope not to be around to see this! :-)

Others may know more about the Prison Planet site - I do not go there normally!

Much LAVA

Lorinda

-----Original Message-----
From: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of puji
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:15 PM
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NaturalScienceKS] global warming and 'prison planet'

Dear all,

interesting thread. of course the guardians have pointed out that all
the plantes in our solar system are warming(anyone have a decent link
to a scientific source of this information), and at least on earth
this is due to FA activities. Of course, the sun and its output must
have some bearing on this, and since there have virtually no sunspots
since the sun enetered its bardoah cycle, does this effect global
temperature?

As for this site 'Prison Planet', i'm sure everyone has 'discermant
filters on full' when considering this information. One thing i've
noticed about this site is that they don't seem to cite references
for their information.

And since its quite a popular website i'm sure if they had really hit
the nail on the head it would be shut down or used as disinformation
by now.

aqua lava

paul uk

#577

From: "Lorinda" <lorindap2001@...>
Date: Tue Mar 3, 2009 1:52 pm
Subject: RE: Global warming discussion...

lorindap2001

Also Michael Mandeville's website www.michaelmandeville.com collates date feeds ( I think I heard about 50 of them) from all over the world on earthquakes, volcano's, undersea warming from vents and how they affect the ocean currents etc..there is much information. He also covers more esoteric type things like human emotional generated frequencies and potential impacts - one way or the other. and similar geo-political currents!

So he is trying to cover more than just technical analysis...some of it is quite interesting. His technical stuff is pretty good - and he always sites references and websites where available. Or tells us how he created the results he has come up with.He has a couple of books worth glancing at - I am not sure if they are free now - the Return of the Phoenix is interesting and he is a master in Vortex Mechanics - really interesting stuff. I think you can find details on his site. If not - let me know - I think I still may have a copy somewhere. I read these 5-6 years ago.

He started out 11 years ago (or more) to prove Edgar Cayce's predictions of global collapse (due around now) were BS. And discovered Cayce is to date about 97% accurate..maybe more. So he then changed to trying to understand how Cayce could know this - so long ago - was going to happening. That is why he measures some eclectic things (it seems to us!!). I think he is looking a the harmonics across it all! and it is no single thing - not just technical...anyway (as we know from KS). I think an interesting site.

His own view - is that Nasa and the US Burea's withhold critical information at times - for political purposes - and cannot be trusted! He gets a lot of his info from European bureau's and validates them all against each other for anomolies. So just a hint Paul - if you want to do this - be aware of these tactic's!! I am sure it happens elsewhere as well. There is a Swiss organisation who collect earthquake and planetary movements - I think they are the best around at the moment - don't know their name though.

Much LAVA

Lorinda

-----Original Message-----
From: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wilbur Southey
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:46 PM
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [NaturalScienceKS] Global warming discussion...

Hi again Paul,

Here are some links to 'raw' data (some are combined with predication models and most are weighted using a number of formulae which should be available somewhere on some Web page.)

There was a guy from prisonplanet.com who did a very thorough analysis of the data an put up a page that I saw a few weeks ago - with some very nice graphs, explanations and deciphering of NASA's weighting system for their data - but I'm unable to find the article at the moment (if I find it I will share it here.)

Temperature data:

http://nsidc.org

http://nsidc.org/data/

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/ncoda_web/ncoda.html

http://www.mercator-ocean.fr/html/mod_actu/public/welcome_en.php3

http://www.usgodae.org/

http://www.usgodae.org/las/servlets/dataset

If there were extra time available, I'd do an analysis myself, but that's not likely to happen any time soon since this is not my focus at present. If you or someone here has the time to go through it all then please do share it here with us...

Sun Spot data/info:

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/SolarCycle/

Magnetic maps of the Sun:

http://soi.stanford.edu/data/full_farside/

Tamino’s Folly - Temperatures did drop this past decade:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/21/tamino%E2%80%99s-folly-temperatures-did-drop/

Much Lava,

Wilbur

From: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of puji
Sent: Tuesday, 3 March 2009 14:02
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NaturalScienceKS] Global warming discussion...

Hi all,

There have been some very interested posts regarding this debate. Of
course the guardians have pointed out the truth of this - that there is
warming, but its not man made.

Whats left to do for those of us who are interested is to find the pure
science and raw data that shows in the external hologram of the
planetary environment the evidence for this.

Many of the links that have been posted to this site about this topic
linnk to articles which are interesting but of themselves to do not
allow scrutiny of the data (many of the articles are gone now).

I am interested in this topic. I have a lot of friends who, altohugh
well meaning, have become fully involved with the global warming hoax.

I would be interested in any debate that can link us to the raw data,
so we can analyse it and come to our own conclusions. The role of 'new
science' has been to get us all to rely on paid scientists to interpret
and tranlate data and arrive at conclusions for us.

I am quite happy to take out the middle men and go staight to
scientific analysis myself.

aqua lava
paul uk

.

Reply | Messages in this Topic (3)

#578

From: "Lorinda" <lorindap2001@...>
Date: Wed Mar 4, 2009 1:48 pm
Subject: One Koala's journey...

lorindap2001

This is a love story really!

Much LAVA

Lorinda

#579

From: "Lorinda" <lorindap2001@...>
Date: Thu Mar 5, 2009 12:01 am
Subject: Free electricity?

lorindap2001

http://befreetech.com/feinfo.htm

Beloveds

You might want to consider going to this perhaps??

Check it out...let me know what you think?

I cannot go as I am not a US or Canadian resident.

Much LaVA

Lorinda

#580

From: "Wilbur Southey" <wilbur@...>
Date: Thu Mar 5, 2009 12:53 pm
Subject: RE: global warming and 'prison planet'

azuresky33

Hi Lorinda,

Yes, there has been some really big changes on the other planets in the Solar System and, as we know, also the Heliosphere. We live in interesting times, that is for sure! I have also had a feeling that there is a link with the SAC to all of it, because, quite clearly, of the timing - but along with the SAC there has of course been a bunch of FA shenanigans.

I've been keeping a close eye on the Sun and it's lack of Spots. There's no doubt in my mind that this is linked to the drop in mean temperature and no-doubt there are other affects as well.

Much Lava,

From: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lorinda
Sent: Tuesday, 3 March 2009 15:22
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [NaturalScienceKS] global warming and 'prison planet'

Hi Paul and all

Ten years or more ago - I was studying sacred geometry with Dan Winter. I think between 1998-2001 timeframe..

Others may know more about the Prison Planet site - I do not go there normally!

Much LAVA

Lorinda

-----Original Message-----
From: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of puji
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:15 PM
To: NaturalScienceKS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NaturalScienceKS] global warming and 'prison planet'

Dear all,

interesting thread. of course the guardians have pointed out that all
the plantes in our solar system are warming(anyone have a decent link
to a scientific source of this information), and at least on earth
this is due to FA activities. Of course, the sun and its output must
have some bearing on this, and since there have virtually no sunspots
since the sun enetered its bardoah cycle, does this effect global
temperature?

As for this site 'Prison Planet', i'm sure everyone has 'discermant
filters on full' when considering this information. One thing i've
noticed about this site is that they don't seem to cite references
for their information.

And since its quite a popular website i'm sure if they had really hit
the nail on the head it would be shut down or used as disinformation
by now.

aqua lava

paul uk