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[NetgearMP101Group] Good results with Hardware Mods

Hi,

 

Well – the Netgear RTP change was a short lived success – my box was back to skipping and crashing within 12 hours, though it has to be said, miles better than before using RTP.  It was still unstable, skipping tracks, and so on, just not so bad.  However – I have now got it completely stable …. and the solution cost me pennies.  If you are handy with a soldering iron, read on – if you are not, then this message is not for you.

 

For the first time, I ran the box with the lid off, and I then ‘went nuclear’ in my approach to this POS – kill or cure.

 

I noticed that the Marvell Wireless chip and the MP3 decoder chip were getting warm to the touch when playing songs (though cool when not).  Ordinarily, I would not have considered either to be getting hot enough to be a problem, but given the heat problems I know some Netgear routers have been having (just Google for it), it is just possible …….

 

1)       So I took a passive heatsink off an old graphics card (who would want a PCI Riva TNT 2 these days ….), and epoxied it so that it spanned the Marvell, the MP3 and the tops of the flash rom and the DRAM chips (hard to describe, but the approx 1.5 inch square heatsink really does cover 75% of all four of those chips and doesn’t foul anything at board level).  Saved me having to cut down the heatsink.

 

I noticed that there are two positions on the right hand edge of the board (looking from the front panel) where power supply smoothing capacitors seemed to have been deleted from the production mainboard (though you can bet they were present in the prototype and development boards).  One of them looks to be intended to be smoothing the power supply to the components inside the metal RF shield, and the other possibly for power supply to the Microcontroller in the socket.

 

2)       So I soldered two 470 uF 16v electrolytics (the standard ones fitted to this board are 1000 uF 10v, but 470’s were the largest I had to hand… and something has got to be better than nothing) into the two ‘empty’ spaces on the mainboard.  Those caps *must* have been originally in the design for a reason, and so putting them back has to do some good methinks.  Perhaps removed to save money in the final design?

 

I noticed that if I held my finger over the solder pads where the aerial joins the mainboard (an old RF engineers trick to add a mix of capacitive and resistive load…), the signal strength stabilized according to the Link Info on the MP101.  I looked closely at the board and noticed that two SMT capacitors had been deleted from the mainboard around where my finger was poking – one of which (if present) would capacitively couple the antenna inner wire to what looks like a power supply chip ground pin.

 

3)       So I soldered a 100 pF (just a guess) capacitor between the antenna inner wire and earth on the mainboard (thus replacing one of the two deleted capacitors).  This helped a little, but when I replaced it with a 47 pF capacitor instead, things got a *lot* healthier looking.  This could be a missing part of an intended LC resonance circuit, with the capacitor deleted from the production version because it relies on the capacitance of the PCB (or just deleted by mistake) … just a hunch – my MP101 seems to like having the capacitor in place, and clearly the PCB made provision for one being in that location ……..  I didn’t bother with the other deleted capacitor, as it looked to be a part of a low pass filter (to block out RF higher than 2.4 GHz).  I have nothing transmitting higher than 2.4 GHz, and so didn’t see the point.

 

Guess what.  My MP101 is now *completely* stable.  It finds the wireless network first time, it doesn’t crash, skip tracks, freeze, or do any of the other ugly things it used to do to irritate me.  As bad as it gets now is that it sometimes takes two goes to find the server (Twonky).

 

My MP101 is now so stable that I have reinstated the original antenna, and taken off the high gain one I added as an experiment – so the box looks pretty much as it did when it left the factory – until you take the lid off that is, and notice the new heatsink, extra electrolytics, and ceramic disk capacitor J

 

Hope this helps someone.  It has saved my MP101 from the trash, and I believe returned the circuit to near ‘pre-production’, where it must obviously have worked well.

 

Thanks,

Andrew.



Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:02 pm

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Brad Johnson
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Dec 19, 2005
6:38 pm

Hi, Well - the Netgear RTP change was a short lived success - my box was back to skipping and crashing within 12 hours, though it has to be said, miles better...
Andrew
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Dec 19, 2005
9:03 pm

That's really interesting Andrew. When I was doing the HackerMP3 project http://www.digimatic.plus.com/mp3hacker.html (must update that site sometime, the...
Wayne Stallwood
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Dec 19, 2005
9:39 pm

Hi, I did notice the 2nd antenna input - in fact, I have made use of it (temporarily) when I believed signal strength had something to do with my issues. When...
Andrew
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Dec 19, 2005
10:00 pm

Andrew!!! Where have YOU been the last 3900 posts, dude!! :D I just knew this day would eventually come...someone would have focused their disgust creatively,...
wideasleep1 Offline Send Email Dec 19, 2005
11:33 pm

One of the chips does support JTAG... The chip nearest that pin header, so it probably is JTAG. I found the datasheet on Sunday (during church... sshhh). It...
Tim Bates
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Dec 20, 2005
1:36 am

... The firmware source code is available from the Netgear site. I haven't looked at it in detail but it does appear to be complete. Though I not sure what...
Dean Cording
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Dec 20, 2005
8:57 pm

... No kidding. I swear, Andrew, if you could find an efficient way to mod everyone's box for, I dunno, < $50 or something, you'd have a line of people out...
Chip Hart
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Dec 20, 2005
2:05 pm

Andrew, Would you be willing to post a sketch or photo of your mod? I was having a bit of trouble following some of the 'what went where' descriptions. But...
rnshaga Offline Send Email Dec 20, 2005
3:34 am

Sure thing - please see attached photographs. Cheers, Andrew. _____ From: NetgearMP101Group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NetgearMP101Group@yahoogroups.com] On...
Forkhandle
m5_nutter Offline Send Email
Dec 20, 2005
8:41 am

Can't see the pictures. Can you puit them on the photo section? BTW. Great work Andrew. ... was ... miles ... soldering ... then 'went ... were ... not). ... ...
Sylvain Labastrou
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Dec 20, 2005
8:22 pm

I don't allow attachments for obvious reasons..please,please post pics in the Photo section. It also helps to notify the group of the upload and subject, and...
wideasleep1 Offline Send Email Dec 20, 2005
9:22 pm

Given what you had to do for success, how do you explain success by others such as myself without your technical knowledge? ________________________________ ...
Vernon V Chatman III
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Dec 20, 2005
8:48 am

To answer your question directly - I can't definitively explain why yours works without modification. But I can make an educated guess. My guess is that due to...
Andrew
m5_nutter Offline Send Email
Dec 20, 2005
9:08 am

I have 5 'unopened' units {so, I do not have photos} that consistently work (I do have to restart after long periods of nonuse)-I have left them on overnight...
Vernon V Chatman III
iiivernon Offline Send Email
Dec 20, 2005
9:22 am

When you start up the box, it actually reports the revision number on the last (bottom) line of the display (the same screen which shows the firmware version)....
Andrew
m5_nutter Offline Send Email
Dec 20, 2005
9:27 am

I also notice from an earlier post, Vernon, that you have 5 boxes, and only one of them is using Wireless for its connection. Do you have more problems with...
Andrew
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Dec 20, 2005
9:24 am

No. 11b worked for that location and the bridges are expensive. I had an old router that I run as 11b only. My main router is 108Mbps and requires 11g or...
Vernon V Chatman III
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Dec 20, 2005
9:30 am

If I got the correct #: 3 are BL01.08 HW.1; 2 are BL01.09 HO.1. All except 1 are at the latest firmware level, one is down-level because I could not update it....
Vernon V Chatman III
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Dec 20, 2005
9:41 am

OK. Mine is BL01.08 HW.1 I would be v.interested to see a detailed photograph of the mainboard of the BL01.09 HW.1 revision .. ! Cheers, Andrew. _____ From:...
Andrew
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Dec 20, 2005
9:48 am

Sorry, that is BL01.09 HW.1, not HO.1. ________________________________ From: NetgearMP101Group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NetgearMP101Group@yahoogroups.com] On...
Vernon V Chatman III
iiivernon Offline Send Email
Dec 20, 2005
9:43 am

Thanks Andrew for all your efforts and for taking the trouble to document them so thoroughly. I'll get to work with the soldering iron at the weekend and let...
Peter Campion-Bye
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Dec 20, 2005
12:38 pm

I will be leaving town for a week, so I cannot do that at this time. The information contained in this electronic message from TFI, and any attachments,...
Vernon V Chatman III
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Dec 20, 2005
2:47 pm

I'll try to get one for you this evening Andrew....
Peter Campion-Bye
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Dec 20, 2005
4:46 pm

What a hero! I still have intermittent problems with my MP: mostly hanging on startup and failing to bind with server(s) - NG and Twonky - over the wireless...
l_southwood Offline Send Email Dec 20, 2005
4:48 pm

Hmmm, very interesting. I've soldered-in the two power smoothing capacitors (I used 1000uF/16V electrolytic) and it would appear that all of my previous...
geek6oy Offline Send Email Dec 20, 2005
8:56 pm

Great - I'm so pleased it worked for you ! As I wrote, I suspected that the smoothing caps were the single most important addition. Best Regards, Andrew. _____...
Andrew
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Dec 20, 2005
9:07 pm

Funny you should mention that. I stopped by the Radio Shack in Manhattan on 42nd and 5th, and they laughed and said nobody goes into Radio Shack for...
Adam Kropp (Yahoo)
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Dec 20, 2005
8:57 pm

... Now uploaded on the yahoo group site. Let me know if you need more detail, but it looks exactly the same as the 08 board to me....
Peter Campion-Bye
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Dec 20, 2005
8:59 pm

Thanks for the photo - you're right, it looks exactly the same. Perhaps there wasn't a Ver.B board after all. Best Regards, Andrew. _____ From:...
Andrew
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Dec 20, 2005
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