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From: "glen gordon" <glengordon01@...>
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Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Nostratic-L] Abuse (was: nostratic research & theory)


> Patrick:
> > Well, Glen mentions "Patrick" in practically every
> > other posting, with a snotty remark of one kind or
> > another.
>
> You mean snoddy? :) (Just a joke, calm down, calm
> down) Well, I do it in good fun and when I do mention
> your name, I never accompany it with intolerable
> racist remarks because it's entirely inconsequential
> where you're from, what money you make, what race you
> are or think you are, etc, etc. I only am concerned
> with whether the statements you make concerning
> comparative linguistics and Nostratic are truthful or
> questionable.

***
Patrick:

Since I am, myself, white, "White Trash" can only refer to social class as
demonstrated by language and attitude. It cannot be racist.

As for Nostratic, we will never arrive at the truth. We merely bandy
probabilities back and forth.

***
>
> > He has called me "delusional" and a purveyor of
> > "falsehoods".
>
> A falsehood can be immediately demonstrated but we
> can call it another more NewSpeak name if you like.
> Your 'non-truths', shall we say, such as your
> insistence on the existence of a heightless vowel
> system, have been demonstrated to be false. This
> cannot constitute a "petty remark" because this
> remains within the domain of our discussions.

***
Patrick:

A falsehood is a lie. To accuse me of falsehoods is to accuse me of being a
liar.

I have never asserted nor insisted on a heightless vowel system.

That is a complete fabrication based on Glen's usual faulty understanding of
what he reads.

***

>
> > He has advertised his contempt for the law by
> > describing his "bong", and he insultingly addresses
> > people as "sweetie".
>
> I never heard of "sweetie" being honestly insulting.
> You mean can't call you "honey" either? "Dearie"?
> Also, my _perceived_ attitudes towards law via my
> casual jokes are in the end off topic and beyond
> the concerns that you may have right to. Granted,
> I suppose I should refrain from the temptation for
> casual offtopic chitchat in the future. Now, all
> this discussion has gotten me stressed. Where on
> earth did I put my toke last... >:)

***
Patrick:

I am not your friend in general, and in particular, not one of your
homosexual friends.

"Sweetie" is used among homosexuals. Use it for them. not for me.

***
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Hi , my name is Ben Vandenberg, coming from The Hague, Holland, and for a very long time I've following your discussions on Nostratic. I see many of you try to...
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Aug 24, 2005
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... Welcome, Ben of Holland :) ... Eeek! Starostin. I'm sure he's a great guy to have an interesting conversation with, with espresso in hand in an old Cuban...
glen gordon
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Aug 24, 2005
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... work ? His databsases seem OK to me. I've seen work of you and your theories and I'm afraid I've to disagree concerning your "Proto-Steppe" idea, however...
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... Not at all. I'm unabashed to state my opinion but my opinion is more complex than simply "I don't like Starostin". That would be a silly ...
glen gordon
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Hi, Glenny The point is: how can you criticize Starostin's work about NC if you haven't got anything better? Are you a specialist in NC studies? I think you're...
Marco Moretti
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... Because Starostin's work is presumably based on logic, no? Logic is accessible to everyone. I've pointed out the methodological flaws already, showing that...
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The accuracy of Starostin's data is definitely not beyond question. The article by Alan Yu at the link given below (from Language 80, 2004) suggests that the...
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... Hi. Thank you for the very interesting pdf. The tense consonant in NEC for 'tongue' is reconstructed by evidence from the other proto-languages: for...
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... Please don't embarrass yourself. The only valid arguements against the IndoTyrrhenian theory require recourse into IE and Tyrrhenian data only, not...
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Hallo Marco, my name is Ben Vandenberg, and I saw your reaction on Glen Gordons reaction, and I agree with you, he sometimes overreacts a bit. Also his...
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... Yes, I suppose in this "modern" age, one should deal with crackpot science by simply accepting it like a vegetable. I admit I have a hard time doing this...
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... From: "glen gordon" <glengordon01@...> To: <Nostratic-L@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Nostratic-L] Re:...
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... My hobby is English hypercorrection. ... http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=9902 Now you know :) ... Racist remarks do not belong on...
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... OFF-TOPIC!! ... Any more abuse like this - by either of you or anyone else - here or on Cybalist - and I shall impose moderation. Richard. Moderator....
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To all concerned: I sent a message off-list to the concerned party and the other moderators for this list that such comments will not be tolerated. Andy Howey ...
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*** Patrick: Glen's constant 'puerile jabs' against me and others are, evidently, perfectly acceptable. To all moderators except Richard; thank you, Richard. ...
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Patrick: I don't see Glen attacking you personally. He does make disparaging comments about some (or most) of your ideas and theories, but he doesn't reduce...
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... From: "Andy Howey" <andyandmae_howey@...> To: <Nostratic-L@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [Nostratic-L]...
Patrick Ryan
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... You mean snoddy? :) (Just a joke, calm down, calm down) Well, I do it in good fun and when I do mention your name, I never accompany it with intolerable ...
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Patrick Ryan
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Glen: If you know that a particular list-member takes offense to your quaint variety of humor, and there are several who do, and you continue, then you are...
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From Ben Vandenberg to this forum : I feel like I've fired up a discussion which already existed between some persons, I apologize, and I feel a little bit...
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... Categorically hateful terms like "white trash" never ever come from the tips of my fingers or mouth. While I know some individuals who can't tolerate my ...
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... QUESTION TO MODERATORS: How long will _racism_ and _homophobia_ be tolerated on this Forum before people unregister themselves in absolute disgust? Who...
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Glen: I've "asked" Patrick to keep his personal opinions about you to himself. You can help by not setting yourself out as a target for such comments. As for...
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... By this statement, Andy is condoning Patrick's biggotry. As a grown adult, we know that Patrick Ryan alone is firmly responsible for the crap that he...
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Andy: The particular posting that contained those remarks was sent _before_ your sensible admonitions, to which I agreed, and have adhered. Glen has merely...
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I'm quoting from http://starling.rinet.ru/index2.htm: "Dear friends and colleagues! With deep grief we have to inform you of the sudden death of Sergei...
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... Yes, let's try to get passed this now as of October 5 2005 3:15PM CST and not stay stuck on this nonsense ad nauseum. Thank you. = gLeN ...
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This thread is officially closed. Any further discussion in this vein will result in a warning or moderation. Any further personal attacks will result in...
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