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#31 From: Pieter Overbeeke <overbeeke@...>
Date: Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:18 am
Subject: Re: Re: short OPML Manager wish list pieteroverbeeke
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Hi Amy,

I read your mail and thought the whole thing over and my conclusion is that opmlmanager is not very usable for your approach. Opmlmanager aims at linklists, where each item in the list is either a 'node' (represented by a folder icon) or a link which has a short description and an url it points to.
In your approach you use html-formated text to describe a node, and inside that html-formated text the links are declared. This works for you but it makes your opml-file hard to process by other applications because the links are not explicitly stated in your opml-file. The great advantage that xml has above html is that it can be easily 'read' and interpreted by a machine. By mixing xml and html and hiding your information inside your html again this advantage is lost. If you take a look at the sourcecode you'll see that the outlinetags only have text-attributes and no url or xmlUrl attributes.
Most opml-tools just won't expect html inside the text-attribute. You can do this inside Winer's tool because that is how his opml-blogs work.

I think that Dave Winer's opml editor works better for your approach, but i also realise that Dave's tool does, at this point i think, not offer hosting for inidividual files and also offers no online rendering tool that produces an outline.
We could of course change the functionality of opmlmanager but i do think that this will make the tool more complex and less user friendly and will possibly scare off first time users. At this stage i think it is a more logical step to ask Dave to add some publishing (hosting + outline rendering) functionality to his tool.

I hope your not dissapointed now, but i think its better to be honest. Opmlmanager is a usefull tool but just not for everything. Opml can be used in many different ways and Winer's tool has a different, or broader approach then opmlmanager.

Happy Opml-ing, Pieter Overbeeke

On 11/27/05, AG <agahran@...> wrote:

Thanks, Pieter.

Regarding links displaying like links...

I've just tried creating links in OPML manager as you suggested, and
it does generally work -- but from my perspective there are a couple
of problems with the current approach:

1) As far as I understand it, I need to re-code all my links that way,
via OPML manager. (Rather than creating a file in and OPML editor and
uploading it to OPML Manager). If I was starting a new OPML file from
scratch this would be no big deal, but I already have hundreds of
links in my list. From the user's perspective it would be FAR more
preferable if OPML Manager would simply render links already present
in an OPML file in a visually distinct way ( i.e., colored or
underlined text). Is it possible to do this? If so, are you planning
to implement it? I'd really rather not have to re-implement all those
links by hand if I don't have to.

2) If I edit an existing node via OPML manager, any formatting I'd had
for that code (in particular, bold text) disappears. If I try to
re-insert it by hand, it doesn't take. I don't know whether this is a
bug, an oversight, or intentional. For me, this formatting problem is
a significant issue that would discourage me from using OPML Manager
to create or edit an OPML file. Readability is important, even for
rendered OPML, so formatting flexibility helps.

--- In OPMLmanager@yahoogroups.com, Pieter Overbeeke < overbeeke@g...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Amy,
>
> ad 1:
> I see you only use 'nodes' in your opml and you have added some html
in the
> nodenames to create links. If you add links inside a node instead of
a nodes
> (rightclick on a node in opmlmanager.com and select 'add link') you
can fill
> in the name for the link (text) and the url you want to link to. You
also
> have to select a type, rss for rssfeeds and link for other formats,
like an
> htmlpage. After you have done this you'll see that those links are not
> displayed with the foldericon in your outliner, but with an orange dot.
> i.e. take a look at http://www.opmlmanager.com/outliner/codputer
>
> I see you have rather long, explaining texts in your opml-file.
Opmlmanager,
> right now, is maybe not that usefull for that approach. If you use the
> technique i described above the whole text would be a link.
> The opml specification also describes a description attribute, maybe we
> should think of adding that to opmlmanager. The outline-tag would
then look
> something like this:
> <outline text="bad hair day" type="rss" url="
> http://homepage.mac.com/dmckh/podcasts/bgbg.xml"
description="description of
> whatthe podcast is about...." />
> In the outliner we could add a mouseover effect that would show the
> description when you point to a link with your mousepointer.
>
> Ad 2.
> I have to think about this functionality, you are the first to ask
for this.
> Maybe it could be usefull to add the number of links that are inside
a node
> after the node name: <folder icon> nodename (number of links inside
node)..
>
> - Pieter Overbeeke
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/27/05, AG <agahran@g...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi again, all.
> >
> > I'm really enjoying OPML manager. I'm using it to publish my Women in
> > Podcasting list: http://www.opmlmanager.com/outliner/agahran
> >
> > There are two features I'd personally love to see in OPML manager.
> >
> > 1. Links that look like links. Right now, when I include a link in
my OPML
> > file its functionality gets rendered fine -- that is, if you click
on it,
> > you go somewhere. However, OPML Manager's rendering does not visually
> > distinguish hyperlinks from other text. I would love it if, during
> > rendering, OPML Manager would automatically render links in a
different
> > color, or underlines, etc., so it's easy for people to recognize
links.
> >
> > 2. Ordered (numbered) lists. I'd like to be able to specify a numbered
> > list of items within an OPML file. For instance, in my Women in
Podcasting
> > list, it would be great if, during rendering, the items in my list
of active
> > podcasts could be numbered, so it's easy to see how many shows are
currently
> > listed.
> >
> > ...Maybe these features already exist in OPML Manager and I just
haven't
> > discovered them, or maybe I can compensate for them in how I code
my OPML.
> > If so, I'd appreciate some guidance on that.
> >
> > However, if there's some way to build those features in to OPML
Manager,
> > I'm sure more people than just me would benefit from them.
> >
> > - Amy Gahran
> >
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#30 From: "AG" <agahran@...>
Date: Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:01 am
Subject: Re: short OPML Manager wish list writerpoly
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Thanks, Pieter.

Regarding links displaying like links...

I've just tried creating links in OPML manager as you suggested, and
it does generally work -- but from my perspective there are a couple
of problems with the current approach:

1) As far as I understand it, I need to re-code all my links that way,
via OPML manager. (Rather than creating a file in and OPML editor and
uploading it to OPML Manager). If I was starting a new OPML file from
scratch this would be no big deal, but I already have hundreds of
links in my list. From the user's perspective it would be FAR more
preferable if OPML Manager would simply render links already present
in an OPML file in a visually distinct way (i.e., colored or
underlined text). Is it possible to do this? If so, are you planning
to implement it? I'd really rather not have to re-implement all those
links by hand if I don't have to.

2) If I edit an existing node via OPML manager, any formatting I'd had
for that code (in particular, bold text) disappears. If I try to
re-insert it by hand, it doesn't take. I don't know whether this is a
bug, an oversight, or intentional. For me, this formatting problem is
a significant issue that would discourage me from using OPML Manager
to create or edit an OPML file. Readability is important, even for
rendered OPML, so formatting flexibility helps.


--- In OPMLmanager@yahoogroups.com, Pieter Overbeeke <overbeeke@g...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Amy,
>
> ad 1:
> I see you only use 'nodes' in your opml and you have added some html
in the
> nodenames to create links. If you add links inside a node instead of
a nodes
> (rightclick on a node in opmlmanager.com and select 'add link') you
can fill
> in the name for the link (text) and the url you want to link to. You
also
> have to select a type, rss for rssfeeds and link for other formats,
like an
> htmlpage. After you have done this you'll see that those links are not
> displayed with the foldericon in your outliner, but with an orange dot.
> i.e. take a look at http://www.opmlmanager.com/outliner/codputer
>
> I see you have rather long, explaining texts in your opml-file.
Opmlmanager,
> right now, is maybe not that usefull for that approach. If you use the
> technique i described above the whole text would be a link.
> The opml specification also describes a description attribute, maybe we
> should think of adding that to opmlmanager. The outline-tag would
then look
> something like this:
> <outline text="bad hair day" type="rss" url="
> http://homepage.mac.com/dmckh/podcasts/bgbg.xml"
description="description of
> whatthe podcast is about...." />
> In the outliner we could add a mouseover effect that would show the
> description when you point to a link with your mousepointer.
>
> Ad 2.
> I have to think about this functionality, you are the first to ask
for this.
> Maybe it could be usefull to add the number of links that are inside
a node
> after the node name: <folder icon> nodename (number of links inside
node)..
>
> - Pieter Overbeeke
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/27/05, AG <agahran@g...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi again, all.
> >
> > I'm really enjoying OPML manager. I'm using it to publish my Women in
> > Podcasting list: http://www.opmlmanager.com/outliner/agahran
> >
> > There are two features I'd personally love to see in OPML manager.
> >
> > 1. Links that look like links. Right now, when I include a link in
my OPML
> > file its functionality gets rendered fine -- that is, if you click
on it,
> > you go somewhere. However, OPML Manager's rendering does not visually
> > distinguish hyperlinks from other text. I would love it if, during
> > rendering, OPML Manager would automatically render links in a
different
> > color, or underlines, etc., so it's easy for people to recognize
links.
> >
> > 2. Ordered (numbered) lists. I'd like to be able to specify a numbered
> > list of items within an OPML file. For instance, in my Women in
Podcasting
> > list, it would be great if, during rendering, the items in my list
of active
> > podcasts could be numbered, so it's easy to see how many shows are
currently
> > listed.
> >
> > ...Maybe these features already exist in OPML Manager and I just
haven't
> > discovered them, or maybe I can compensate for them in how I code
my OPML.
> > If so, I'd appreciate some guidance on that.
> >
> > However, if there's some way to build those features in to OPML
Manager,
> > I'm sure more people than just me would benefit from them.
> >
> > - Amy Gahran
> >
> >
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#29 From: "shiff2kl" <shiff2kl@...>
Date: Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:16 am
Subject: Multiple delete or delete all? shiff2kl
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I was just trying this site out and I imported an ompl file from a
url.  It worked great!  However, now im stuck with hundreds of top
level links in my opmlmanager that i dont really want.  I could delete
them one by one, but then again that could take pretty much forever.
Is there a way to empty my opmlmanager or select multiple items to
delete at a time?

Thanks much!

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#28 From: Pieter Overbeeke <overbeeke@...>
Date: Sun Nov 27, 2005 12:04 am
Subject: Re: short OPML Manager wish list pieteroverbeeke
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Hi Amy,

ad 1:
I see you only use 'nodes' in your opml and you have added some html in the nodenames to create links. If you add links inside a node instead of a nodes (rightclick on a node in opmlmanager.com and select 'add link') you can fill in the name for the link (text) and the url you want to link to. You also have to select a type, rss for rssfeeds and link for other formats, like an htmlpage. After you have done this you'll see that those links are not displayed with the foldericon in your outliner, but with an orange dot.
i.e. take a look at http://www.opmlmanager.com/outliner/codputer

I see you have rather long, explaining texts in your opml-file. Opmlmanager, right now, is maybe not that usefull for that approach. If you use the technique i described above the whole text would be a link.
The opml specification also describes a description attribute, maybe we should think of adding that to opmlmanager. The outline-tag would then look something like this:
<outline text="bad hair day" type="rss" url="http://homepage.mac.com/dmckh/podcasts/bgbg.xml" description="description of whatthe podcast is about...." />
In the outliner we could add a mouseover effect that would show the description when you point to a link with your mousepointer.

Ad 2.
I have to think about this functionality, you are the first to ask for this. Maybe it could be usefull to add the number of links that are inside a node after the node name: <folder icon> nodename (number of links inside node)..

- Pieter Overbeeke

On 11/27/05, AG <agahran@...> wrote:

Hi again, all.

I'm really enjoying OPML manager. I'm using it to publish my Women in Podcasting list: http://www.opmlmanager.com/outliner/agahran

There are two features I'd personally love to see in OPML manager.

1. Links that look like links. Right now, when I include a link in my OPML file its functionality gets rendered fine -- that is, if you click on it, you go somewhere. However, OPML Manager's rendering does not visually distinguish hyperlinks from other text. I would love it if, during rendering, OPML Manager would automatically render links in a different color, or underlines, etc., so it's easy for people to recognize links.

2. Ordered (numbered) lists. I'd like to be able to specify a numbered list of items within an OPML file. For instance, in my Women in Podcasting list, it would be great if, during rendering, the items in my list of active podcasts could be numbered, so it's easy to see how many shows are currently listed.

...Maybe these features already exist in OPML Manager and I just haven't discovered them, or maybe I can compensate for them in how I code my OPML. If so, I'd appreciate some guidance on that.

However, if there's some way to build those features in to OPML Manager, I'm sure more people than just me would benefit from them.

- Amy Gahran

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#27 From: "AG" <agahran@...>
Date: Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:15 pm
Subject: short OPML Manager wish list writerpoly
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Hi again, all.

I'm really enjoying OPML manager. I'm using it to publish my Women in Podcasting list: http://www.opmlmanager.com/outliner/agahran

There are two features I'd personally love to see in OPML manager.

1. Links that look like links. Right now, when I include a link in my OPML file its functionality gets rendered fine -- that is, if you click on it, you go somewhere. However, OPML Manager's rendering does not visually distinguish hyperlinks from other text. I would love it if, during rendering, OPML Manager would automatically render links in a different color, or underlines, etc., so it's easy for people to recognize links.

2. Ordered (numbered) lists. I'd like to be able to specify a numbered list of items within an OPML file. For instance, in my Women in Podcasting list, it would be great if, during rendering, the items in my list of active podcasts could be numbered, so it's easy to see how many shows are currently listed.

...Maybe these features already exist in OPML Manager and I just haven't discovered them, or maybe I can compensate for them in how I code my OPML. If so, I'd appreciate some guidance on that.

However, if there's some way to build those features in to OPML Manager, I'm sure more people than just me would benefit from them.

- Amy Gahran

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#26 From: "AG" <agahran@...>
Date: Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:06 pm
Subject: Re: Bug: Some nodes not rendering writerpoly
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Thanks Pieter, it works fine. I appreciate you executing that fix so
quickly.

- Amy Gahran

--- In OPMLmanager@yahoogroups.com, Pieter Overbeeke <overbeeke@g...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Amy,
>
> Can you give it another try? I think the problem should be fixed now.
>
> Regards, Pieter
>
> On 11/24/05, AG <agahran@g...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, all
> >
> > I think OPML Manager is a great tool for rendering OPML files on
the web.
> > I am experiencing one troublesome bug with that process, though.
> >
> > In my OPML file wip.opml, several nodes are present in the opml
file, but
> > are not rendering in OPML manager.
> >
> > See my "women in podcasting" list at:
> > http://www.opmlmanager.com/outliner/agahran
> >
> > The "about this list" node *should* look like this:
> >
> > About this list
> >
> >
> >    - Who's on it? This list showcases podcasts (audio or video) which
> >    currently are hosted or co-hosted by women. This includes
broadcast of
> >    satellite radio programs with female hosts/co-hosts that also are
> >    distributed as podcasts.
> >    - Creator: Originally created by Amy Gahran, editor of Contentious,
> >    December 2004. Amy re-created this list as an OPML outline
November 2005.
> >    - Show status: "Last update" refers to the last date I updated a
> >    show's listing in this list -- NOT the date of the most recent
episode of
> >    that show. Defunct shows have either vanished or not released a
new episode
> >    in three months or more.
> >    -  To suggest a show or request changes to your show's listing,
> >    e-mail editor@c... Here's the information you must
> >    supply for a new show:
> >       - Show name
> >       - Name of hosts or all co-hosts (indicate which co-hosts are
> >       female)
> >       - Brief description of the show (format, genre, topics)
> >       - Site URL
> >       - Podcast feed URL
> >    - VOLUNTEERS NEEDED to help update this list. I'm actively seeking
> >    people who know how to edit an OPML file and subscribe to
podcasts and
> >    videologs. If you possess all these skills and wish to
volunteer to help me
> >    update this list, e-mail me.
> >
> > ....That's how it *should* render. However, if you check the link
above
> > you'll see that most of those nodes in that section of the
document (and at
> > least one node in the videolog section) are NOT rendering at all.
> >
> > I've checked my code and re-uploaded the file several times, but the
> > missing nodes are stubborn.
> >
> > Can anyone help me fix this problem? I don't understand what's going
> > wrong.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > - Amy Gahran
> >
> >
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#25 From: Pieter Overbeeke <overbeeke@...>
Date: Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:58 pm
Subject: Re: Bug: Some nodes not rendering pieteroverbeeke
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Hi Amy,

Can you give it another try? I think the problem should be fixed now.

Regards, Pieter

On 11/24/05, AG <agahran@...> wrote:

Hi, all

I think OPML Manager is a great tool for rendering OPML files on the web. I am experiencing one troublesome bug with that process, though.

In my OPML file wip.opml, several nodes are present in the opml file, but are not rendering in OPML manager.

See my "women in podcasting" list at: http://www.opmlmanager.com/outliner/agahran

The "about this list" node *should* look like this:

About this list

Who's on it? This list showcases podcasts (audio or video) which currently are hosted or co-hosted by women. This includes broadcast of satellite radio programs with female hosts/co-hosts that also are distributed as podcasts.

Creator: Originally created by Amy Gahran, editor of Contentious, December 2004. Amy re-created this list as an OPML outline November 2005.

Show status: "Last update" refers to the last date I updated a show's listing in this list -- NOT the date of the most recent episode of that show. Defunct shows have either vanished or not released a new episode in three months or more.

To suggest a show or request changes to your show's listing, e-mail editor@.... Here's the information you must supply for a new show:

Show name

Name of hosts or all co-hosts (indicate which co-hosts are female)

Brief description of the show (format, genre, topics)

Site URL

Podcast feed URL

VOLUNTEERS NEEDED to help update this list. I'm actively seeking people who know how to edit an OPML file and subscribe to podcasts and videologs. If you possess all these skills and wish to volunteer to help me update this list, e-mail me.

....That's how it *should* render. However, if you check the link above you'll see that most of those nodes in that section of the document (and at least one node in the videolog section) are NOT rendering at all.

I've checked my code and re-uploaded the file several times, but the missing nodes are stubborn.

Can anyone help me fix this problem? I don't understand what's going wrong.

Thanks,

- Amy Gahran

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#24 From: Pieter Overbeeke <overbeeke@...>
Date: Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:46 pm
Subject: Re: Bug: Some nodes not rendering pieteroverbeeke
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Hi Amy,

I think the importmodule has a problem with nodenames containing a quote (who's on it), i'll take a look at it and try to fix this nasty bug!

Happy opmling, Pieter Overbeeke

On 11/24/05, AG <agahran@...> wrote:

Hi, all

I think OPML Manager is a great tool for rendering OPML files on the web. I am experiencing one troublesome bug with that process, though.

In my OPML file wip.opml, several nodes are present in the opml file, but are not rendering in OPML manager.

See my "women in podcasting" list at: http://www.opmlmanager.com/outliner/agahran

The "about this list" node *should* look like this:

About this list

Who's on it? This list showcases podcasts (audio or video) which currently are hosted or co-hosted by women. This includes broadcast of satellite radio programs with female hosts/co-hosts that also are distributed as podcasts.

Creator: Originally created by Amy Gahran, editor of Contentious, December 2004. Amy re-created this list as an OPML outline November 2005.

Show status: "Last update" refers to the last date I updated a show's listing in this list -- NOT the date of the most recent episode of that show. Defunct shows have either vanished or not released a new episode in three months or more.

To suggest a show or request changes to your show's listing, e-mail editor@.... Here's the information you must supply for a new show:

Show name

Name of hosts or all co-hosts (indicate which co-hosts are female)

Brief description of the show (format, genre, topics)

Site URL

Podcast feed URL

VOLUNTEERS NEEDED to help update this list. I'm actively seeking people who know how to edit an OPML file and subscribe to podcasts and videologs. If you possess all these skills and wish to volunteer to help me update this list, e-mail me.

....That's how it *should* render. However, if you check the link above you'll see that most of those nodes in that section of the document (and at least one node in the videolog section) are NOT rendering at all.

I've checked my code and re-uploaded the file several times, but the missing nodes are stubborn.

Can anyone help me fix this problem? I don't understand what's going wrong.

Thanks,

- Amy Gahran

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#23 From: "AG" <agahran@...>
Date: Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:08 pm
Subject: Bug: Some nodes not rendering writerpoly
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Hi, all

I think OPML Manager is a great tool for rendering OPML files on the web. I am experiencing one troublesome bug with that process, though.

In my OPML file wip.opml, several nodes are present in the opml file, but are not rendering in OPML manager.

See my "women in podcasting" list at: http://www.opmlmanager.com/outliner/agahran

The "about this list" node *should* look like this:

About this list

Who's on it? This list showcases podcasts (audio or video) which currently are hosted or co-hosted by women. This includes broadcast of satellite radio programs with female hosts/co-hosts that also are distributed as podcasts.
Creator: Originally created by Amy Gahran, editor of Contentious, December 2004. Amy re-created this list as an OPML outline November 2005.
Show status: "Last update" refers to the last date I updated a show's listing in this list -- NOT the date of the most recent episode of that show. Defunct shows have either vanished or not released a new episode in three months or more.
To suggest a show or request changes to your show's listing, e-mail editor@.... Here's the information you must supply for a new show:

Show name
Name of hosts or all co-hosts (indicate which co-hosts are female)
Brief description of the show (format, genre, topics)
Site URL
Podcast feed URL

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....That's how it *should* render. However, if you check the link above you'll see that most of those nodes in that section of the document (and at least one node in the videolog section) are NOT rendering at all.

I've checked my code and re-uploaded the file several times, but the missing nodes are stubborn.

Can anyone help me fix this problem? I don't understand what's going wrong.

Thanks,

- Amy Gahran

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#22 From: "Alex Barnett" <alex_a_barnett@...>
Date: Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:51 am
Subject: Re: getting error on first run: 'System.InvalidOperationException' - solved alexbarnett_ms
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Good news: I'm a schmuck. I was running the app from the zip localtion
(into a shared folder), so it couldn't run.

Problem solved.


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> getting error on first run: 'System.InvalidOperationException'.
>
> I have .net Framework 2.0.
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> When I run Microsoft CLR Debugger 2003,  reffers to WOW.sln.dln and
> asks me to save changes (I said No).
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#21 From: "Alex Barnett" <alex_a_barnett@...>
Date: Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:53 am
Subject: Re: getting error on first run: 'System.InvalidOperationException' alexbarnett_ms
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I tried uninstalling (build 50727) and reinstalled the latest .net
framework 2.0, but had the same.


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> Hi Alex,
> I don't know where the error message comes from. You really need
the latest
> version of .net framework 2.0 (there are subversions).
> I used visual studio express 2005, which was released november 7,
2 weeks
> ago. This is my first desktop-app, i downloaded the visual basic
studio a
> week ago and watched some microsoft instruction video's and hacked
the
> browser together. Just to show what i would like for a plugin in
firefox.
> I hope you get it to work though...
>
> regards, Pieter
>
>
>
> On 11/22/05, fair_weather_amigo <alex_a_barnett@h...> wrote:
> >
> > getting error on first run: 'System.InvalidOperationException'.
> >
> > I have .net Framework 2.0.
> >
> > When I run Microsoft CLR Debugger 2003, reffers to WOW.sln.dln
and
> > asks me to save changes (I said No).
> >
> >
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#20 From: Pieter Overbeeke <overbeeke@...>
Date: Tue Nov 22, 2005 6:14 pm
Subject: Re: getting error on first run: 'System.InvalidOperationException' pieteroverbeeke
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Hi Alex,
I don't know where the error message comes from. You really need the latest version of .net framework 2.0 (there are subversions).
I used visual studio express 2005, which was released november 7, 2 weeks ago. This is my first desktop-app, i downloaded the visual basic studio a week ago and watched some microsoft instruction video's and hacked the browser together. Just to show what i would like for a plugin in firefox.
I hope you get it to work though...

regards, Pieter

On 11/22/05, fair_weather_amigo <alex_a_barnett@...> wrote:

getting error on first run: 'System.InvalidOperationException'.

I have .net Framework 2.0.

When I run Microsoft CLR Debugger 2003,  reffers to WOW.sln.dln and
asks me to save changes (I said No).

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#19 From: "fair_weather_amigo" <alex_a_barnett@...>
Date: Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:15 pm
Subject: getting error on first run: 'System.InvalidOperationException' alexbarnett_ms
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getting error on first run: 'System.InvalidOperationException'.

I have .net Framework 2.0.

When I run Microsoft CLR Debugger 2003,  reffers to WOW.sln.dln and
asks me to save changes (I said No).

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#18 From: "Pieter Overbeeke" <overbeeke@...>
Date: Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:25 am
Subject: Opml browser pieteroverbeeke
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I've developed a simple browser that works like a normal browser but
will display opml-files as outlines.

For more details: http://www.opmlmanager.com/opmlbrowser

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#17 From: Chris Bratlien <chris@...>
Date: Thu Nov 10, 2005 12:07 am
Subject: escaping apostrophes in OPML text tubbytonka
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While trying to import one of my own generated OPML
URLs into OPMLManager

http://dropafew.com/xampp/calorie/foodfacts-opml.php

it won't import outline elements whose text attribute
contains an apostrophe (').

Viewing that same URL in Firefox, however, I can see the
element.

For example, I have a "Wendy's" outline element which
does not show up when I import to OPMLManager.

It does display when I view the URL in Firefox.

I have also tried escaping the apostrophe as &apos;

Right now, this URL escapes "Wendy's" as "Wendy&apos;s".

Do you have any suggestions for me?

Thanks

Chris Bratlien

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#16 From: "Pierre Gorissen" <P_Gorissen@...>
Date: Wed Nov 9, 2005 2:05 am
Subject: Re: Importing OPML duplicates existing nodes pgoris01
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I would like to second that feature request.
I use the OPMLmanager for the shownotes of my podcast, and each
podcast has the same subcategories which are kind of tedious to
recreate in the OPMLmanager, but are easy to copy and paste in a
regular XML-editor. Having a "replace with" import mode instead of
just the "add to" mode we have now would be great.

Pierre Gorissen

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> Today I exported my OPML file so that I could cut and paste a big
> block of outline tags that I had previously created into the OPML
> file.   Next, I re-
> imported the OPML file into OPML Manager.   I noticed that after
> importing, the nodes that already existed in OPML Manager were
> duplicated by the OPML import.   The end result being that there were
> two copies of each of my nodes, all within the same tree.
>
> Is it possible to create functionality such that the OPML Manager
> recognizes duplicate entries and prompts the user during import as to
> whether to overwrite/delete the existing node?
>
> Love OPML Manager so far.  Great work!
>
> Bill Gratsch
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#15 From: "hvanra" <hansvanraamt@...>
Date: Tue Nov 8, 2005 8:27 pm
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OK, I exported again and now I got the updated file, so that's ok now.
It looks like the exportscript grabs the "old" file on initial pageload?

Happy debugging !

Hans

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>
> Hi Hans,
>
> This is a problem a have not figured out completely yet, but i have a
> partial solution.
>
> Somehow the file is not always updated, i think it may have to do with
> filelocking. But the system writes the systemdate to the database as the
> date the opmlfile was last generated. As long as the last modifiactions date
> is before this systemdate the file will not be generated again.
>
> To solve this i no longer write the the systemdate to the database but use
> the last modifieddate of the opmlfile, so if the update fails, the
> last-generated-date will still be older as the last-modified-date, so at the
> next call for the opmlfile the system will try to genereate it again.
>
> So the problem may still occur now and then, but exporting or viewing it
> again should solve it.
>
>
>
> On 11/8/05, hvanra <hansvanraamt@g...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Pieter,
> >
> > Today I encountered the same problem as Pierre, I think.
> > I updated my file today (08-11-2005). when viewing it, it seemed OK. When
> > exporting the
> > file I got the version I updated a few days ago (06-11-2005)
> >
> > Not behind a proxy, using a Mac OSX 10.4 with Safari.
> >
> > Hope you can fix it?
> >
> >
> > Hans van Raamt
> >
> >
> >
> >
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#14 From: Pieter Overbeeke <overbeeke@...>
Date: Tue Nov 8, 2005 7:56 pm
Subject: Re: Bug? pieteroverbeeke
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Hi Hans,

This is a problem a have not figured out completely yet, but i have a partial solution.

Somehow the file is not always updated, i think it may have to do with filelocking. But the system writes the systemdate to the database as the date the opmlfile was last generated. As long as the last modifiactions date is before this systemdate the file will not be generated again.

To solve this i no longer write the the systemdate to the database but use the last modifieddate of the opmlfile, so if the update fails, the last-generated-date will still be older as the last-modified-date, so at the next call for the opmlfile the system will try to genereate it again.

So the problem may still occur now and then, but exporting or viewing it again should solve it.

On 11/8/05, hvanra <hansvanraamt@...> wrote:

Hi Pieter,

Today I encountered the same problem as Pierre, I think.
I updated my file today (08-11-2005). when viewing it, it seemed OK. When exporting the
file I got the version I updated a few days ago (06-11-2005)

Not behind a proxy, using a Mac OSX 10.4 with Safari.

Hope you can fix it?

Hans van Raamt

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#13 From: "hvanra" <hansvanraamt@...>
Date: Tue Nov 8, 2005 7:10 pm
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Hi Pieter,

Today I encountered the same problem as Pierre, I think.
I updated my file today (08-11-2005). when viewing it, it seemed OK. When
exporting the
file I got the version I updated a few days ago (06-11-2005)

Not behind a proxy, using a Mac OSX 10.4 with Safari.

Hope you can fix it?


Hans van Raamt

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#12 From: "Bill Gratsch" <gratsch@...>
Date: Tue Nov 8, 2005 5:43 pm
Subject: Importing OPML duplicates existing nodes wjgratsch
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Today I exported my OPML file so that I could cut and paste a big
block of outline tags that I had previously created into the OPML
file.   Next, I re-
imported the OPML file into OPML Manager.   I noticed that after
importing, the nodes that already existed in OPML Manager were
duplicated by the OPML import.   The end result being that there were
two copies of each of my nodes, all within the same tree.

Is it possible to create functionality such that the OPML Manager
recognizes duplicate entries and prompts the user during import as to
whether to overwrite/delete the existing node?

Love OPML Manager so far.  Great work!

Bill Gratsch

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#11 From: Pieter Overbeeke <overbeeke@...>
Date: Sun Nov 6, 2005 9:01 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Is it just me, a bug or by design? pieteroverbeeke
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mmm, de laatst genereerde datum zoals die in de database was opgeslagen kwam niet overeen met de datum in je opml-bestand, daar is iets fout gegaan. Ik heb deze datum gewijzigd en voor de datum/tijd van je laatste wijziging gezet, je opmlbestand is nu in iedergeval opnieuwe gegenereerd en weer actueel. Ik ga er verder in duiken.

Gr. Pieter

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Hi Pieter,

Yes, I'm probably behind some kind of a proxy at the moment, since I'm
in a hotel using their wireless connection.
But though CTRL-F5 gave me a newer version of the OPML, at the moment
it doesn't give me the most recent one, even though the outliner does
show the recent changes.

met vriendelijke groet,

Pierre

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> Hi Pierre,
>
> The opml gets updated the first time the file is requested after you
made
> some changes. I took a look at
> http://www.opmlmanager.com/opml/PiAir.opmland it looks ok -> OPML
> generated by
> opmlmanager.com <http://opmlmanager.com> on Nov 06 2005 18:15:58 GMT
> I think you have a cache problem, are you behind a proxy-server? Try
ctrl-f5
> next time to reload you .opml page.
>
> Groeten, Pieter
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#10 From: "Pierre Gorissen" <P_Gorissen@...>
Date: Sun Nov 6, 2005 7:34 pm
Subject: Re: Is it just me, a bug or by design? pgoris01
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Hi Pieter,

Yes, I'm probably behind some kind of a proxy at the moment, since I'm
in a hotel using their wireless connection.
But though CTRL-F5 gave me a newer version of the OPML, at the moment
it doesn't give me the most recent one, even though the outliner does
show the recent changes.

met vriendelijke groet,

Pierre

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> Hi Pierre,
>
> The opml gets updated the first time the file is requested after you
made
> some changes. I took a look at
> http://www.opmlmanager.com/opml/PiAir.opmland it looks ok -> OPML
> generated by
> opmlmanager.com <http://opmlmanager.com> on Nov 06 2005 18:15:58 GMT
> I think you have a cache problem, are you behind a proxy-server? Try
ctrl-f5
> next time to reload you .opml page.
>
> Groeten, Pieter
>

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#9 From: Pieter Overbeeke <overbeeke@...>
Date: Sun Nov 6, 2005 6:23 pm
Subject: Re: Is it just me, a bug or by design? pieteroverbeeke
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Hi Pierre,

The opml gets updated the first time the file is requested after you made some changes. I took a look at http://www.opmlmanager.com/opml/PiAir.opml and it looks ok -> OPML generated by opmlmanager.com on Nov 06 2005 18:15:58 GMT

I think you have a cache problem, are you behind a proxy-server? Try ctrl-f5 next time to reload you .opml page.

Groeten, Pieter

On 11/6/05, Pierre Gorissen <P_Gorissen@...> wrote:

I started updating my playlist for the Edukast today but updates are
only visible in the outliner:
http://www.opmlmanager.com/outliner/PiAir
and not in the OPML-version:
http://www.opmlmanager.com/opml/PiAir.opml

I waited a while to see if it was just that they don't update
instantly, but now after an hours it looks like a problem that isn't
going away by itself?
Is this a bug?

Pierre Gorissen
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#8 From: "Pierre Gorissen" <P_Gorissen@...>
Date: Sun Nov 6, 2005 6:10 pm
Subject: Is it just me, a bug or by design? pgoris01
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I started updating my playlist for the Edukast today but updates are
only visible in the outliner:
http://www.opmlmanager.com/outliner/PiAir
and not in the OPML-version:
http://www.opmlmanager.com/opml/PiAir.opml

I waited a while to see if it was just that they don't update
instantly, but now after an hours it looks like a problem that isn't
going away by itself?
Is this a bug?

Pierre Gorissen
http://www.edukast.nl/

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#7 From: "Pieter Overbeeke" <overbeeke@...>
Date: Thu Nov 3, 2005 1:40 pm
Subject: Re: Some praise, and a bug report pieteroverbeeke
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> I noticed a small bug today. It is not very important, but it still
> annoys me: http://www.dailyscreencast.com/temp/opmlmanager1.html

The problem is solved, long nodenames caused to overflow the combobox,
adding some styling (overflow:hidden) solved the problem!

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#6 From: "Raymond M. Kristiansen" <raymondmk@...>
Date: Thu Nov 3, 2005 12:32 pm
Subject: Some praise, and a bug report admnory
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Hello,

Firstly, I would like to thank you for making OPMLmanager. It is a
great tool, and I find the interaction between it and Winer's OPML
editor to work well.

I am also looking forward to the option of having more OPML files.
That's what is missing today for me. I subscribe to all kinds of
different sets of RSS feeds for different reasons, and to then be able
to use OPMLmanager as a central home for the OPML files would be great.

I noticed a small bug today. It is not very important, but it still
annoys me: http://www.dailyscreencast.com/temp/opmlmanager1.html

Thank you once again for making this, and Pieter, are you Dutch? If
so: Great. We need more Europeans in this space. It can't all be
Silicon Valley and Seattle. Here is a fun videoblog where Max Ward
(UK) tries to learn Dutch:
http://milian.blogs.com/milian/2005/07/learning_dutch.html

Dank u wel!

Best regards,

Raymond M. Kristiansen
http://dltq.org

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#4 From: ��(Liang Wang) <webleon@...>
Date: Thu Nov 3, 2005 11:44 am
Subject: non-english language support webleon
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great service, but doesn't support chinese in opml files.....

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#3 From: "Pieter Overbeeke" <overbeeke@...>
Date: Wed Nov 2, 2005 10:00 am
Subject: bug removed from import-module pieteroverbeeke
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Some opml-imports, with outline tags that use the title attribute and
not the text attribute, where not processed right as result of a bug
in the importmodule. That problem has been solved.

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#2 From: "Pieter Overbeeke" <overbeeke@...>
Date: Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:26 am
Subject: Added functionality: import via an url pieteroverbeeke
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On special request from Chris Pirillo we extended the import module.

Besides importing a file from your local drive you now can also import
opml-files from the internet via the url.

Pieter

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#1 From: "Pieter Overbeeke" <overbeeke@...>
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Hi all,

Welcome to our mailgroup.
You can leave your questions, requests, ideas, thoughts, bugs, or
other remarks here. Positive feedback is also welcomed ;)

regards, Pieter Overbeeke

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