In summary, you are saying that it's in the interests of technical authors
to have their books pirated, and anyone who disagrees with you is a hard
core hypocrite puritan cheater and liar. Thank you for providing this
assistance to the OpenCV community.

-----Original Message-----
From: OpenCV@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OpenCV@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
bielerm
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 11:45 PM
To: OpenCV@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OpenCV] Duda,Hart&Stork - ebook - Pattern Recognition

Helo Jorge,

i am not a regular user of opencv, but neverthless I could not overlook last
few emails, which some of them are very likely from hard core hypocrite
puritans, desperatley trying to teach us all morals through the so called
legal issues. Well, why not try to do the same back?

Basically, what you did is perfectly all right by all means. I do want to
get into legal issues, since what is lawfull on one part of Planet does not
have to be on the other. Let's just look at the bottom line of their concern
and that is money.
First at all if you really want to make serious money than doing academic
research and/or writing books (such as or pattern
recognition) for mainly scientific audience is lost cause right from the
start. Pattern recognition is not some hollywood or show bussines material
and everyone with at least tiny litte bit common sense should not have
problem comprehend it, including those holy law upholders. I sincerly doubt
that Dudas book have potential to turn into sceanrio for new sequel of Lord
of the Rings or new Madonna CD.

Secondly, if you are satisfied what you do within a (academic) reaserch
activity and decide to make some considerable extra (pocket) money by direct
sales of the books you have written, that is rather pathetic also.
Percentage that you get from publisher for those kind of books via direct
sales is, as rule, such that you can readily take your place in line for a
welfare check. Particularly when you consider that your book is an output of
years and years, not to say decades, of hard work.
However, the good news is that your book is actaully perhaps your best ID of
your doings and knowledge. Thus, if you do write a good book you can a lot
gain from so called nusproducts, side efects, where people will recognise
you and your work, your reputation will increase, you will obtaine better
grants, projects, associates, ultimately money/contracts from companies to
do the real work (which trust me will not be published so fast). One thing
that extermly helps in this case,once you have written good book, is to
spread the book as fast you can and as much as you can and let the world
know you and it are outthere. Consequently,many authors are happy when you
asked them for reprints of the papers and if they deny you whole books that
is mostly beacuse of deals with publishers.

Third, publishers. They are quite aware once the book appears in the first
library or store there is not a single force that can stop it from possible
'unwanted' spread and reprints. Few common tools for that are printers
combined with copy machines, i.e.scanners. However the good news for
publisher is that also cost (lot of) money. That is why the price of most
books, of this type (academical) in context, is presently such that it is
rather questionable wheter it is worth of somehow scanning it and print it
out yourself or dircetly bying it.
Specially, when you consider the quality of the published issue or scanned
and printed out on commercual printer. In addition, if you can afford to
wait few years then you can by used ones for more then fair price.
Anyway,that's why, individuals and insititutions which do have normal funds
sources rather give money for books then trying to obtain it in a so called
unlawfull manner.

Forth, poverty is definetly not excuse for stilling from others.
However, here is pointless to even consider such a category. Nobody is
gaining here any direct material goods. It is only you helping out those
who, belevie it or not, literally cannnot (or very very hard) afford to
obatin certain book in 'civilized lawfull manner' and are becoming easy prey
of those self pronunced legal guardience, which are largly (few exceptions
are possible) the biggest cheaters and layers alive. Those 'angles' usually
come either from group of people who never felt hunger or thirst in their
lives or from those who were in chains till yesterday and discovered
democarcy just this morning.
Despite, we are in 21.centiury where everyone should get an equal oportunity
for acquring knowledge and I sincerely belive that some of those guys who
you helped by downloading a book can be perhaps new Dudas in the future.
Thus, why deny them an oportunity just because they do not live across MIT.
Moreover, I think you did favor to an author because giving away a book on
let's say such 100 adresses is in the long run a lot more beneficial for the
authors than trying to sell 10 of them. In conclusion, I hope you will not
get intiminated by those preachers and that you will keep up the good work
of helping people, if not here through opencv list, but somehow out side of
it.
Afterall, I suppose that is in accordance with your martial art background
and heritage.

take care

p.s.1 sorry for spelling mistakes but my checker is down and i wanted to
send it asap.

p.s.2 I hope they will forward to Duda this email too.

> Hi, Pınar and all
>
> You're right. Nobody here would act as a pirate. I personally just
> wish to give a hand to the other members around, as someone has done
> to me once.
>
> As far as I'm concerned, this e-book was supposed to be an electronic
> version previous to the first publishing and freely distributed among
> specialists in pattern recognition to reviewing it and to pointing
> errors in it. I had no idea it was illegal to share it, since it
doesn´t
> seem to be the round off work.
> Moreover, the first person who wished the book had said that he had
> the printed version of this book, but it was too hard to carry...
>
> Anyway, Sir Paramesh, the good news for you is that *_I have already
> disabled further downloadings of this book._*
>
> If you folks need this book just to grasp a chapter or two, and
have not
> it in your university library, the good news is that you may download
> the peer-to-peer eMule software, and make a search for this book there.
> You will find it in whatever format you wish: ZIP, RAR, ACE, PDF, DJVU.
> Don't forget, Sir Paramesh, to tell prof Duda about eMule also.
>
> Many regards,
>
> Pınar Boyraz wrote:
>
> >Hello everybody,
> >
> >All right, I did not want to be a pirate (neither the >others in
> the group I guess) and did not know that it >was illegal. I though
> that the e-book was an extension >of the hardcopy and the person have
> it and just want >to share it.
> >
> >Sorry again for any inconvenience, but it is of >academic use,
> non-commercial! Our library has it in >week loan scheme and sometimes
> you cannot find the >book.
> >
> >Pinar
> >
> >--- Dave Grossman wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>And as a postscript, let me add that I have already >>forwarded
> some of these >>emails to Richard Duda.
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: OpenCV@yahoogroups.com
> >>[mailto:OpenCV@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of >>Parameswaran
> >>Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 7:42 AM
> >>To: OpenCV@yahoogroups.com
> >>Subject: [OpenCV] Re: Duda,Hart&Stork - ebook - >>Pattern
> Recognition >> >>Downloading or uploading the book without buying is
> >>illegal...
> >>Please dont distribute the book. Encourage the >>persons to buy
> the book...
> >>Please dont encourage piracy...
> >>
> >>Just my 2 rupees....
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>Paramesh.








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