This court ruling has but all that on its head, it covers everything,
not just spread sheet or data base formats, it covers anything in any
format in any code in any programming language. IP does not beat
everything any longer, the court just moved the goal post and changed
the playing field. I can almost hear the IP Mafia gritting teeth. Just
as you can buy a car and then modify as you like, the same applies to
software. Of course you just cant copy and paste the code and use it in
your own software you are selling.

I suggest we should leave these judgement to the legal experts and
courts. Incidentally, the ruling was requested by the British supreme
court in London.

On 27-May-2012 3:54 PM, barbudor wrote:
>
>
> Hi Bert
>
> The process you are describing is clear when it concern word
> processing or spread sheet or database file formats. No one can
> prevent you to reverse engineering any private file format and
> implement it into your own app.
>
> But when it comes to IP (intellectual property), IP beats everything.
>
> So you might have the right to reverse engineering a specific map
> format which will allow you to make your own maps following this
> format. But you need to distinguish the file format itself from the
> data it contains. The data itself are licensed in a way that do not
> allow you to use it differently than what was initially granted to
> you.
> So unless the map data itself is "free", you will not be authorized to
> extract/convert it with your fully legal software.
>
> You have the right to own a gun.
> But you are not allowed to shoot people down.
> That's the meaning of the law.
> This is always the difference between the tools and the usage.
>
> Best regards,
>
> ~barbudor~
>
> 2012/5/27, Bert <kiwino1@... <mailto:kiwino1%40gmail.com>>:
> > This may be of interest to the team.
> >
> > We often hear that you are not allowed to open up, decompile, a program
> > or file, or use someone else's file format or re-engineer programs.
> >
> > A recent ruling in the EU supreme court has now invalidated such license
> > conditions as they would de facto mean a monopoly according to the
> court.
> >
> > The court now make it crystal clear that you have the right to open up
> > a code or file, and study how it works, and write a new program with the
> > same functions, even in the same programming language. That means you
> > can also change the code for personal use, and you can write a new
> > program that uses another company's file format.
> >
> > This has importance for us GPS users, if you buy maps that only work in
> > one kind of GPS, but you want to use them in another, or you want to use
> > a program as Androzic with the Ozi maps. It is still unclear if it is a
> > violation of law to try to prevent you from doing that by for instance
> > using anti debugger code.
> >
> > Interesting world.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~ end group email -->
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> --
> Envoyé avec mon mobile
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi,

I am running OzieAndroid (V 1.16) on a Toshiba 10.1 in tablet.

When using maps compiled in MapMerge I have found that the details become
blurred as I drill down .

I set the Map Merge Pixel Scale to 50 (meters per pixel).

Can anyone advise on a better setting etc

many thanks

As a licenced Ozi user of many years, I recently installed Ozi for Android on my
Samsung phone. It works like a charm.

In wanting to buy the licence, I noted that the Android DeviceId is required
prior to purchasing a licence (much the same as a Windows licence). Is the
licence tied to the device and is it transferable if the device fails?

Kind regards to all,
Wayne

Guys,

Understand that although it may or may not ultimately be prohibited to transform
data from one form to another due to licensing restrictions, practically
speaking, we don't yet live in a police state.  So, such restrictions are hardly
enforceable.  Lacking that, the possible illegality of it is moot, so long as
you do not distribute the transformed data, as that is still covered by
copyright.

BTW here in the states, the courts have long upheld reverse engineering as a
perfectly legal method to obtain the intellectual property of another.  All
that, despite numerous attempts to ban it.  There were several cases decided by
the U.S. patent and trademark office where they clearly ruled that reverse
engineering is legal and protected.  The most recent one was where a company was
claiming a DMCA violation since the company in question had not requested
permission from the other company to reverse engineer their product.  USPTC
ruled that they did not need permission to reverse engineer anything.  DMCA
established USPTC as the final ruling body in such cases.

J.G.


--- In OziUsers-L@yahoogroups.com, Bert <kiwino1@...> wrote:
>
> This court ruling has but all that on its head, it covers everything,
> not just spread sheet or data base formats, it covers anything in any
> format in any code in any programming language. IP does not beat
> everything any longer, the court just moved the goal post and changed
> the playing field. I can almost hear the IP Mafia gritting teeth. Just
> as you can buy a car and then modify as you like, the same applies to
> software. Of course you just cant copy and paste the code and use it in
> your own software you are selling.
>
> I suggest we should leave these judgement to the legal experts and
> courts. Incidentally, the ruling was requested by the British supreme
> court in London.
>
> On 27-May-2012 3:54 PM, barbudor wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Bert
> >
> > The process you are describing is clear when it concern word
> > processing or spread sheet or database file formats. No one can
> > prevent you to reverse engineering any private file format and
> > implement it into your own app.
> >
> > But when it comes to IP (intellectual property), IP beats everything.
> >
> > So you might have the right to reverse engineering a specific map
> > format which will allow you to make your own maps following this
> > format. But you need to distinguish the file format itself from the
> > data it contains. The data itself are licensed in a way that do not
> > allow you to use it differently than what was initially granted to
> > you.
> > So unless the map data itself is "free", you will not be authorized to
> > extract/convert it with your fully legal software.
> >
> > You have the right to own a gun.
> > But you are not allowed to shoot people down.
> > That's the meaning of the law.
> > This is always the difference between the tools and the usage.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > ~barbudor~
> >
> > 2012/5/27, Bert <kiwino1@... <mailto:kiwino1%40gmail.com>>:
> > > This may be of interest to the team.
> > >
> > > We often hear that you are not allowed to open up, decompile, a program
> > > or file, or use someone else's file format or re-engineer programs.
> > >
> > > A recent ruling in the EU supreme court has now invalidated such license
> > > conditions as they would de facto mean a monopoly according to the
> > court.
> > >
> > > The court now make it crystal clear that you have the right to open up
> > > a code or file, and study how it works, and write a new program with the
> > > same functions, even in the same programming language. That means you
> > > can also change the code for personal use, and you can write a new
> > > program that uses another company's file format.
> > >
> > > This has importance for us GPS users, if you buy maps that only work in
> > > one kind of GPS, but you want to use them in another, or you want to use
> > > a program as Androzic with the Ozi maps. It is still unclear if it is a
> > > violation of law to try to prevent you from doing that by for instance
> > > using anti debugger code.
> > >
> > > Interesting world.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~ end group email -->
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Envoyé avec mon mobile
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I have just bought a new Garmin and was pleased to see an option in
'Configuration ¦ GPS' for the Montana.

In the moving map my position is displayed on the map, the 'Moving Map
Control' display shows my height in feet and in the 'GPS Fix Data', I
can see all the position data (Altitude has no unit but is in meters).

In the 'GPS Fix Data', the 'Satellite View' is fully populated, but
'Satellite Data' is empty.

Using the 'Send Waypoints to GPS' icon only gets an error:-

'A Mass Storage GPS was not found.'

Any suggestions.

Incidentally, I'm having major problems using MapSource and BaseCamp.
I can't get the City Navigator NT Europe maps to the 650t.  I also
can't exchange waypoints between 650t and MapSource, but both arrive
from 650t in BaseCamp, although I can't send to the 650t.

On my laptop I only have MapSource (no BC) and have no problems with
older GPSrs.  I also use OziEx for moving map with my serial 9-pin
Garmin and a bluetooth Qstartz 1000, without any problems.

Reg

I bought new phone, it is device tied, yes. I got new licence just by
mailing to "info" address and got new licence. I got faulty phone and
got DOA replacement. I mailed info address and got one more licence for
my new phone. Exellent service from Oziexplorer once again.
-teppo


26.5.2012 14:21, ficklef kirjoitti:
> As a licenced Ozi user of many years, I recently installed Ozi for
> Android on my Samsung phone. It works like a charm.
>
> In wanting to buy the licence, I noted that the Android DeviceId is
> required prior to purchasing a licence (much the same as a Windows
> licence). Is the licence tied to the device and is it transferable if
> the device fails?
>
> Kind regards to all,
> Wayne
>
>

I tend to disagree, for me it sounds more like customer hostile, rotten
and arrogant behaviour.

This is why.

I use my GPS in very remote places, last year I was up at the border to
Burma, very high mountains all around the valley, no communication at
all, only way to get a letter out or in or make a phone call was via
mules over the mountains and a day by bus. Same when I was in Pacific on
islands like Horn Islands and Likiep (Marshalls)

So why should I have to go through the trouble of all this, and sit idle
and wait for between two weeks to six months to satisfy the ego of a
supplier.

Personally I detest this attitude that I should have to ask the supplier
for permission when I want to use their product after paying for it.
Things do go wrong with equipment, they do crash, and my absolute
requirement is that any software must be easily re-storable and easily
portable between devices.

I would never considered paying or even using any "locked" system, I am
happy with my old Ozi system, but today if I wanted to use Android, I
would get Androzic, get the old free Ozi ozf converter, and use
something like MOBAC to create the maps.

I can see around me that companies that use this "lock in" method of
controlling the customer are increasingly loosing out, the winners are
those with open source, who make their money from support and tailoring
systems.

:-(

On 28-May-2012 12:55 AM, Teppo Rapo wrote:
> I bought new phone, it is device tied, yes. I got new licence just by
> mailing to "info" address and got new licence. I got faulty phone and
> got DOA replacement. I mailed info address and got one more licence for
> my new phone. Exellent service from Oziexplorer once again.
> -teppo
>
>
> 26.5.2012 14:21, ficklef kirjoitti:
>> As a licenced Ozi user of many years, I recently installed Ozi for
>> Android on my Samsung phone. It works like a charm.
>>
>> In wanting to buy the licence, I noted that the Android DeviceId is
>> required prior to purchasing a licence (much the same as a Windows
>> licence). Is the licence tied to the device and is it transferable if
>> the device fails?
>>
>> Kind regards to all,
>> Wayne
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Attachments are not allowed for emails sent to this group.
> When you see spam messages on this group, do not respond.
> Off-Topic messages may be deleted without warning.
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks for that update. Interesting.

It is changing, but I ask to disagree, we are living in a police state,
where people get arrested as terrorist for photographing a tram,
carrying too much cash, or using a GPS (It has actually happened, A guy
was arrested as a terrorist for using a GPS)

Big companies have even tried to apply copyright on car exhaust systems
as a piece of art to prevent "pirates" to make a competitive system.

All of us who are working with GPS are in a danger zone, we do exchange
our maps and files. What disturbs me is that the copyright Mafia have
managed to implement their own rules and laws, and even using the police
resources free on taxpayers expense to enforce them and make money. The
real problem is that the big ugly guys simply come to you and say, give
me $100,000, or I will ruing your life financially by endless court
action that will cost you more, my goal is to ruin you financially, not
to win the case. Same thing as that big ugly guy with a baseball bat. He
does not care about the law either.

I guess we just have to be careful. We need to use encryption and
privacy tools more.

On 27-May-2012 10:32 PM, rwcx183 wrote:
>
>
> Guys,
>
> Understand that although it may or may not ultimately be prohibited to
> transform data from one form to another due to licensing restrictions,
> practically speaking, we don't yet live in a police state. So, such
> restrictions are hardly enforceable. Lacking that, the possible
> illegality of it is moot, so long as you do not distribute the
> transformed data, as that is still covered by copyright.
>
> BTW here in the states, the courts have long upheld reverse
> engineering as a perfectly legal method to obtain the intellectual
> property of another. All that, despite numerous attempts to ban it.
> There were several cases decided by the U.S. patent and trademark
> office where they clearly ruled that reverse engineering is legal and
> protected. The most recent one was where a company was claiming a DMCA
> violation since the company in question had not requested permission
> from the other company to reverse engineer their product. USPTC ruled
> that they did not need permission to reverse engineer anything. DMCA
> established USPTC as the final ruling body in such cases.
>
> J.G.
>
>
> --- In OziUsers-L@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:OziUsers-L%40yahoogroups.com>, Bert <kiwino1@...> wrote:
> >
> > This court ruling has but all that on its head, it covers everything,
> > not just spread sheet or data base formats, it covers anything in any
> > format in any code in any programming language. IP does not beat
> > everything any longer, the court just moved the goal post and changed
> > the playing field. I can almost hear the IP Mafia gritting teeth. Just
> > as you can buy a car and then modify as you like, the same applies to
> > software. Of course you just cant copy and paste the code and use it in
> > your own software you are selling.
> >
> > I suggest we should leave these judgement to the legal experts and
> > courts. Incidentally, the ruling was requested by the British supreme
> > court in London.
> >
> > On 27-May-2012 3:54 PM, barbudor wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Bert
> > >
> > > The process you are describing is clear when it concern word
> > > processing or spread sheet or database file formats. No one can
> > > prevent you to reverse engineering any private file format and
> > > implement it into your own app.
> > >
> > > But when it comes to IP (intellectual property), IP beats everything.
> > >
> > > So you might have the right to reverse engineering a specific map
> > > format which will allow you to make your own maps following this
> > > format. But you need to distinguish the file format itself from the
> > > data it contains. The data itself are licensed in a way that do not
> > > allow you to use it differently than what was initially granted to
> > > you.
> > > So unless the map data itself is "free", you will not be authorized to
> > > extract/convert it with your fully legal software.
> > >
> > > You have the right to own a gun.
> > > But you are not allowed to shoot people down.
> > > That's the meaning of the law.
> > > This is always the difference between the tools and the usage.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > ~barbudor~
> > >
> > > 2012/5/27, Bert <kiwino1@... <mailto:kiwino1%40gmail.com>>:
> > > > This may be of interest to the team.
> > > >
> > > > We often hear that you are not allowed to open up, decompile, a
> program
> > > > or file, or use someone else's file format or re-engineer programs.
> > > >
> > > > A recent ruling in the EU supreme court has now invalidated such
> license
> > > > conditions as they would de facto mean a monopoly according to the
> > > court.
> > > >
> > > > The court now make it crystal clear that you have the right to
> open up
> > > > a code or file, and study how it works, and write a new program
> with the
> > > > same functions, even in the same programming language. That
> means you
> > > > can also change the code for personal use, and you can write a new
> > > > program that uses another company's file format.
> > > >
> > > > This has importance for us GPS users, if you buy maps that only
> work in
> > > > one kind of GPS, but you want to use them in another, or you
> want to use
> > > > a program as Androzic with the Ozi maps. It is still unclear if
> it is a
> > > > violation of law to try to prevent you from doing that by for
> instance
> > > > using anti debugger code.
> > > >
> > > > Interesting world.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~ end group email -->
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Envoyé avec mon mobile
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Would anyone like to try some experimental code - to convert NearMap
tiles to an Ozi map. It's written in VBA in Excel. First step - use
Hypertiles to download a set of NearMap tiles to an empty folder.
Second step - copy the Excel file into the folder, open it and run
the macro to create Ozi map files for each tile. Third step - use
MapMerge to merge the tiles into a single Ozi map.

Please send a private email if you wish to try it out. And please
don't ask for a copy if you don't know what NearMap, Hypertiles or
MapMerge is, and it may need a bit of VBA tweaking for your own use.
It's set up to suit the Australian quadrant of the world.

I'll send a copy for beta testing to the first three replies, and
wait for their reports before any more.


Gary


_________________________________
Gary Luke ~ gary@...
Sydney, Australia

I use 1 pixel per metre that seems to work, tho the final result can be
quite large.



Julian





From: OziUsers-L@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OziUsers-L@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of railpostaus
Sent: Saturday, 26 May 2012 5:51 PM
To: OziUsers-L@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OziUsers-L] Map Merge Settings





Hi,

I am running OzieAndroid (V 1.16) on a Toshiba 10.1 in tablet.

When using maps compiled in MapMerge I have found that the details become
blurred as I drill down .

I set the Map Merge Pixel Scale to 50 (meters per pixel).

Can anyone advise on a better setting etc

many thanks





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks for the reply teppo - after Berts reply I contacted OziExplorer
myself and asked the question. Their reply was >It is tied to the device
id. If you change devices or get a second device, email us the device id
and we will send a new set of codes for it.<
I'm quite happy with that and will purchase my licence shortly.
Regards to all,
Wayne

On 28-May-12 12:55 AM, Teppo Rapo wrote:
> I bought new phone, it is device tied, yes. I got new licence just by
> mailing to "info" address and got new licence. I got faulty phone and
> got DOA replacement. I mailed info address and got one more licence for
> my new phone. Exellent service from Oziexplorer once again.
> -teppo
>
>
> 26.5.2012 14:21, ficklef kirjoitti:
>> As a licenced Ozi user of many years, I recently installed Ozi for
>> Android on my Samsung phone. It works like a charm.
>>
>> In wanting to buy the licence, I noted that the Android DeviceId is
>> required prior to purchasing a licence (much the same as a Windows
>> licence). Is the licence tied to the device and is it transferable if
>> the device fails?
>>
>> Kind regards to all,
>> Wayne
>>
>>
>

Hi. This is good idia. Supose i also like registered ozi
1. Can it run on ipad2?
2. How much is it for one device?
3. Which address i should contact
Tnx
Baki
On 28 במ�י 2012 13:42, "Wayne" <wildcat32@...> wrote:

> Thanks for the reply teppo - after Berts reply I contacted OziExplorer
> myself and asked the question. Their reply was >It is tied to the device
> id. If you change devices or get a second device, email us the device id
> and we will send a new set of codes for it.<
> I'm quite happy with that and will purchase my licence shortly.
> Regards to all,
> Wayne
>
> On 28-May-12 12:55 AM, Teppo Rapo wrote:
> > I bought new phone, it is device tied, yes. I got new licence just by
> > mailing to "info" address and got new licence. I got faulty phone and
> > got DOA replacement. I mailed info address and got one more licence for
> > my new phone. Exellent service from Oziexplorer once again.
> > -teppo
> >
> >
> > 26.5.2012 14:21, ficklef kirjoitti:
> >> As a licenced Ozi user of many years, I recently installed Ozi for
> >> Android on my Samsung phone. It works like a charm.
> >>
> >> In wanting to buy the licence, I noted that the Android DeviceId is
> >> required prior to purchasing a licence (much the same as a Windows
> >> licence). Is the licence tied to the device and is it transferable if
> >> the device fails?
> >>
> >> Kind regards to all,
> >> Wayne
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Attachments are not allowed for emails sent to this group.
> When you see spam messages on this group, do not respond.
> Off-Topic messages may be deleted without warning.
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Baki - try emailling to info@...
<mailto:info@...> and tell them you have the iPad2 when
asking. I'm not sure if a version is available for it.
Kind regards,
Wayne


On 28-May-12 7:01 PM, Baki Dekel wrote:
>
> Hi. This is good idia. Supose i also like registered ozi
> 1. Can it run on ipad2?
> 2. How much is it for one device?
> 3. Which address i should contact
> Tnx
> Baki
> On 28 במ�י 2012 13:42, "Wayne" <wildcat32@...
> <mailto:wildcat32%40iinet.net.au>> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the reply teppo - after Berts reply I contacted OziExplorer
> > myself and asked the question. Their reply was >It is tied to the device
> > id. If you change devices or get a second device, email us the device id
> > and we will send a new set of codes for it.<
> > I'm quite happy with that and will purchase my licence shortly.
> > Regards to all,
> > Wayne
> >
> > On 28-May-12 12:55 AM, Teppo Rapo wrote:
> > > I bought new phone, it is device tied, yes. I got new licence just by
> > > mailing to "info" address and got new licence. I got faulty phone and
> > > got DOA replacement. I mailed info address and got one more
> licence for
> > > my new phone. Exellent service from Oziexplorer once again.
> > > -teppo
> > >
> > >
> > > 26.5.2012 14:21, ficklef kirjoitti:
> > >> As a licenced Ozi user of many years, I recently installed Ozi for
> > >> Android on my Samsung phone. It works like a charm.
> > >>
> > >> In wanting to buy the licence, I noted that the Android DeviceId is
> > >> required prior to purchasing a licence (much the same as a Windows
> > >> licence). Is the licence tied to the device and is it transferable if
> > >> the device fails?
> > >>
> > >> Kind regards to all,
> > >> Wayne
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Attachments are not allowed for emails sent to this group.
> > When you see spam messages on this group, do not respond.
> > Off-Topic messages may be deleted without warning.
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Support coming (one day ;-) see:  http://www.oziexplorer3.com/ozice/faq_os.html



Des

From: OziUsers-L@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OziUsers-L@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Wayne
Sent: 28 May 2012 12:37
To: OziUsers-L@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OziUsers-L] Oziexplorer for Android - Licence query





Hi Baki - try emailling to info@... <mailto:info%40oziexplorer.com>
<mailto:info@... <mailto:info%40oziexplorer.com> > and tell them you
have the iPad2 when
asking. I'm not sure if a version is available for it.
Kind regards,
Wayne

On 28-May-12 7:01 PM, Baki Dekel wrote:
>
> Hi. This is good idia. Supose i also like registered ozi
> 1. Can it run on ipad2?
> 2. How much is it for one device?
> 3. Which address i should contact
> Tnx
> Baki
> On 28 במ�י 2012 13:42, "Wayne" <wildcat32@...
<mailto:wildcat32%40iinet.net.au>
> <mailto:wildcat32%40iinet.net.au>> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the reply teppo - after Berts reply I contacted OziExplorer
> > myself and asked the question. Their reply was >It is tied to the device
> > id. If you change devices or get a second device, email us the device id
> > and we will send a new set of codes for it.<
> > I'm quite happy with that and will purchase my licence shortly.
> > Regards to all,
> > Wayne
> >
> > On 28-May-12 12:55 AM, Teppo Rapo wrote:
> > > I bought new phone, it is device tied, yes. I got new licence just by
> > > mailing to "info" address and got new licence. I got faulty phone and
> > > got DOA replacement. I mailed info address and got one more
> licence for
> > > my new phone. Exellent service from Oziexplorer once again.
> > > -teppo
> > >
> > >
> > > 26.5.2012 14:21, ficklef kirjoitti:
> > >> As a licenced Ozi user of many years, I recently installed Ozi for
> > >> Android on my Samsung phone. It works like a charm.
> > >>
> > >> In wanting to buy the licence, I noted that the Android DeviceId is
> > >> required prior to purchasing a licence (much the same as a Windows
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Posted by: "Bert" kiwino1@...   cqexpat

> I can see around me that companies that use this "lock in" method of
> controlling the customer are increasingly loosing out, the winners are
> those with open source, who make their money from support and tailoring
> systems.

I think this system of locking software to an individual device
started when Psion computers were introduced with an ID built-in to
the hardware.

The system works OK while the software supplier is still available.
But when he disappears and your hardware needs to be replaced, one has
an unsolvable problem.  Unless you can crack the encoding within the
software.

This still occasionally crops up in Psion Forums.

Reg

A solution is that we each have a secure user certificate (or similar).

I do have one software supplier who provides the product for multiple devices as
well as cross platform. They rely upon the honesty of the purchasers that they
won't abuse this and I for one see it as the privelige that it is.

As the supplier in question specialises in Bible software (Laridian), there is
every chance that the end users will respect the terms.

Software developers really do need to be recompenced for their efforts and
protected from the abuse of distribution by end users but saying that, wouldn't
it be great if our hardware in it's dying breath reported it's demise with the
suppliers so that activation of the product on our next machine could be
accomplished.

Perhaps it could be that it can be established on the subsequent machine, but if
an update was ever done from the earlier units, it would delete that product's
operation. Don't like that, well then purchase a multi license..

--- In OziUsers-L@yahoogroups.com, Reg <lists.reg@...> wrote:
>
> Posted by: "Bert" kiwino1@...   cqexpat
>
> > I can see around me that companies that use this "lock in" method of
> > controlling the customer are increasingly loosing out, the winners are
> > those with open source, who make their money from support and tailoring
> > systems.
>
> I think this system of locking software to an individual device
> started when Psion computers were introduced with an ID built-in to
> the hardware.
>
> The system works OK while the software supplier is still available.
> But when he disappears and your hardware needs to be replaced, one has
> an unsolvable problem.  Unless you can crack the encoding within the
> software.
>
> This still occasionally crops up in Psion Forums.
>
> Reg
>

Hi all,

Yesterday I was downloading some 1/250K maps from the geoscience website and
then somehow lost the link!  I searched for ages but could not find the maps
again - eventually gave up in frustration.

I know it's been posted here before and despite a search could not find it.

Anyone have the link handy and can share it with me?

Thanks,

Franz

http://www.ga.gov.au/topographic-mapping.html
regards
Fred B NT

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Not quite, the first attempt was HP tried to lock in software by using
the HDD ID (early 80's), people stopped buying HP so they changed, the
second was Bill gates when he invented the "registry" in Windows.
Earlier all programs were "portable", you could just move it in-between
machines. The basic idea was that if you moved a program, it would not
work because crucial parts were in that complex and convoluted registry
and left behind. There is no technical motivation for this, it was
simply an harassment to make more money.

Literally, these locked systems is risk of personal security and safety
today, especially with GPS in combination with travel. Read about the
newly discovered spy Trojan Flamer, or Flame. It took two years for the
big resourceful anti-virus companies to discover it. Two Swedish
journalists are in Ethiopian prison now on an 11 year sentence for
aiding terrorism, when they crossed the border, troops were sitting
waiting for them. How did the troops know where to wait - you guessed
it, monitoring electronic activity.

With a locked system you can't check, or make changes. You become a
trapped sitting duck for criminals, and governments.

Dump all locked software and system.

On 29-May-2012 5:13 AM, Reg wrote:
>
>
> Posted by: "Bert" kiwino1@... <mailto:kiwino1%40gmail.com>   cqexpat
>
> > I can see around me that companies that use this "lock in" method of
> > controlling the customer are increasingly loosing out, the winners are
> > those with open source, who make their money from support and tailoring
> > systems.
>
> I think this system of locking software to an individual device
> started when Psion computers were introduced with an ID built-in to
> the hardware.
>
> The system works OK while the software supplier is still available.
> But when he disappears and your hardware needs to be replaced, one has
> an unsolvable problem. Unless you can crack the encoding within the
> software.
>
> This still occasionally crops up in Psion Forums.
>
> Reg
>
>


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Of personal safety and security, the only solution is the one you
secondly describe, no obstructions and identification systems. Such
systems are now a criminal offence in some countries. That is why Google
is in trouble in EU just now.

Remember too that anything can be hacked, and those people don't care,
so protection does not matter but is a way of the looser, even if the
installation file has protection, once the program is running, you can
follow how it all works, and remove the protection. The whole ballgame
has changed, and those suppliers who stubbornly hang on to the old are
likely to go. People don't like to pay someone who harasses you, and it
either it get hacked, or a competitive free open source program appears.
Remember, the hate of Microsoft was the beginning of Linux and open source.

On 29-May-2012 5:47 AM, NDIBS wrote:
>
>
> A solution is that we each have a secure user certificate (or similar).
>
> I do have one software supplier who provides the product for multiple
> devices as well as cross platform. They rely upon the honesty of the
> purchasers that they won't abuse this and I for one see it as the
> privelige that it is.
>
> As the supplier in question specialises in Bible software (Laridian),
> there is every chance that the end users will respect the terms.
>
> Software developers really do need to be recompenced for their efforts
> and protected from the abuse of distribution by end users but saying
> that, wouldn't it be great if our hardware in it's dying breath
> reported it's demise with the suppliers so that activation of the
> product on our next machine could be accomplished.
>
> Perhaps it could be that it can be established on the subsequent
> machine, but if an update was ever done from the earlier units, it
> would delete that product's operation. Don't like that, well then
> purchase a multi license..
>
> --- In OziUsers-L@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:OziUsers-L%40yahoogroups.com>, Reg <lists.reg@...> wrote:
> >
> > Posted by: "Bert" kiwino1@...   cqexpat
> >
> > > I can see around me that companies that use this "lock in" method of
> > > controlling the customer are increasingly loosing out, the winners are
> > > those with open source, who make their money from support and
> tailoring
> > > systems.
> >
> > I think this system of locking software to an individual device
> > started when Psion computers were introduced with an ID built-in to
> > the hardware.
> >
> > The system works OK while the software supplier is still available.
> > But when he disappears and your hardware needs to be replaced, one has
> > an unsolvable problem. Unless you can crack the encoding within the
> > software.
> >
> > This still occasionally crops up in Psion Forums.
> >
> > Reg
> >
>
>


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On 5/29/2012 12:05 PM, Bert wrote:
<snip>

> either it get hacked, or a competitive free open source program appears.
> Remember, the hate of Microsoft was the beginning of Linux and open source.

Hmmmm ..................
Linux is much older than Windoze .....

1985 - Windows first released on the planet
1971 - Linux launch
1983 - GNU Project launch ...

Cheers
Dave
South Oz

I don't disagree with that, maybe I did not express it very well, but
Linux is really Unix, which was born 1969, and has/had several
derivatives, Linux being one. Unix was real a sort of protest against
IBM's dominance and monopolistic strategies at the time. The reason it
took off much later was just that Microsoft replaced IBM as the hated
Bad Boy. Both Unix and Linux was really the beginning of the open
source, 1983 it became more organised as the GNU. This was my
generation, and my Thesis was just on the internet, but it was not
called Internet yet, but it did exist and we use to experiment with
using developments of the Telex code and addressing. The internet came
with the html code and IP address introduction. There was also a
Japanese sort of Unix that ran on PC, or IBM machines as they used to be
called, but the US government threatened the Japanese with trade
sanctions if it was released, so it wasn't. Sorry for the OT history.

On 29-May-2012 12:55 PM, Defender110 wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On 5/29/2012 12:05 PM, Bert wrote:
> <snip>
>
> > either it get hacked, or a competitive free open source program appears.
> > Remember, the hate of Microsoft was the beginning of Linux and open
> source.
>
> Hmmmm ..................
> Linux is much older than Windoze .....
>
> 1985 - Windows first released on the planet
> 1971 - Linux launch
> 1983 - GNU Project launch ...
>
> Cheers
> Dave
> South Oz
>
>


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This may be of interest to the team. The original discussion was held
off-line and this is a bit edited, but it is a problem we are likely to
run into sometimes. The images may not come through.

I member kindly sent me some Ozi waypoint files.

It didn't work at first, the files would not load in my Ozi, nothing
showed up on the map or in the waypoint list, the file at first looked
OK in Notepad, then I ran it through GPS Bable and converted from Ozi to
Ozi and then it seems to work. I got a bit curious, why.

The original file which did not work looked like this in notepad. It
does not have the right structure.



After conversion it looked like this.

OziExplorer Waypoint File Version 1.1
WGS 84
Reserved 2
Reserved 3
1,Reservoir Station,-37.717093,145.006928,,0,1,3,0,65535,Reservoir
Station,0,0,0,-777,6,0,17
2,Preston Station,-37.745699,145.000139,,0,1,3,0,65535,Preston
Station,0,0,0,-777,6,0,17
3,Preston Market,-37.738920,145.002050,,0,1,3,0,65535,Preston
Market,0,0,0,-777,6,0,17

Funny, but Windows did not let me copy the first text so I used an image
dump.

I used a hex coder to check the file. The difference that is easy to see
is that in your original file, there is a line feed (LF), 0A in
hexadecimal (bottom image), but in the converted file, which works (the
top one), there is a 0D 0A which means carriage return and line feed,
which it should be. One character was missing.

This problem occurs often when you transfer files from one system to
another, from for example Linux to Windows. Ozi is now used in Android,
which is Linux/java based and in the Unix family.

Originally you mimicked the CR-LF, Carriage Return - Line Feed, or 0D 0A
in Hex code, when you sent a command to the old printers (which were
really just typewriters), just as the type writer, and that is what is
generated when you hit "Enter" on a Windows system (XP in my case).
Really, this is two commands to make one, because when you ask for a
line feed you also want a carriage return usually, so the doubling up
was removed in some later systems and 0A (LF)was used without a carriage
return.



Anyway, it is easy to fix with GPS Babel.

All the best.




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All,

Please keep in mind that not all members of this group are interested in reading
discussions that aren't directly relevant to OziExplorer.  Neither I nor the
other moderators want to do this, but if these off topic postings continue, we
will take action.  We really do not want to stifle discussion of OziExplorer,
but when off topic discussions begin to drive away members of the group, it is
time to do something.

J.G.

Hi!

Does anybody have useful maps of Bratislava, Praha, Karlovy Vary and Dresden?

I'll be visiting these cities next week.

Thks,

Zoran

Not sure what you are referring to as I have not noticed anything "way" off
topic.  The only one that comes to mind is the EU Court Ruling, which was
interesting as it did have some minor relevance to ozi and I learnt a thing or
two from it.

In my opinion, as long as the off-topic is not spam/advertising, it is usually
generated by someone who is interested in Ozi and will most likely have similar
other interests to the readers here.  If the subject highlights the topic of
discussion it is very easy to ignore the thread - there are a lot of on-topic
discussions that i am not interested in, and I use the subject as a way to
identify mu non-interest in them - I do not have to read them to know i am not
interested.

Mick

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Of rwcx183
Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2012 12:00 AM
To: OziUsers-L@yahoogroups.com
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All,

Please keep in mind that not all members of this group are interested in reading
discussions that aren't directly relevant to OziExplorer. Neither I nor the
other moderators want to do this, but if these off topic postings continue, we
will take action. We really do not want to stifle discussion of OziExplorer, but
when off topic discussions begin to drive away members of the group, it is time
to do something.

J.G.


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Thanks Fred.

I'll be buggered if I can find the page with the alphabetical listings of all
the maps that I was using the other day though - it seems to be really well
hidden!

Or have they changed something on their website within a day?

Cheers,

Franz

--- In OziUsers-L@yahoogroups.com, "Wisdom" <wisdom12@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.ga.gov.au/topographic-mapping.html
> regards
> Fred B NT
>
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i am sorry I dont have . i whish U to enjoy your trip
Baki

נשלח מה-iPad של בקי


ב-30 במ�י 2012, בשעה 02:58, "zdimic" <zdimic@...> כתב/ה:

> Hi!
>
> Does anybody have useful maps of Bratislava, Praha, Karlovy Vary and Dresden?
>
> I'll be visiting these cities next week.
>
> Thks,
>
> Zoran
>
>


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Hi
I am running Ozi for Android 1.16 on a Lenovo Thinkpad running Android
3.1.  Ozi is accessing a bluetooth GPS via the "Bluetooth GPS" app.

I am getting a couple of problems since upgrading to Ozi 1.16.

Firstly the moving map cursor is now a circle with a cross in it instead
of the arrow that it used to be.

Otherwise moving map seems to be working ok. Ozi is showing the location
correctly.

Second, ozi is not showing any satellite information.

Does anyone know what could be causing this two problems and possible
ways to resolve them ?

Thanks in advance

Rob

Rob,

I have the same issue with 1.16 re the map cursor. I thought there was
somewhere in Configuration to change it-not found it yet.

I think re the GPS satellite info, if you use the BT GPS, you turn off the
ThinkPads GPS.

Ozi reads the NMEA signal but doesn't get the satellite info. It may be
something to do with "Enabling Mock GPS Provider"



Julian





From: OziUsers-L@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OziUsers-L@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Rob Logie
Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2012 6:41 PM
To: OziUsers-L@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OziUsers-L] Ozi for Android questions





Hi
I am running Ozi for Android 1.16 on a Lenovo Thinkpad running Android
3.1. Ozi is accessing a bluetooth GPS via the "Bluetooth GPS" app.

I am getting a couple of problems since upgrading to Ozi 1.16.

Firstly the moving map cursor is now a circle with a cross in it instead
of the arrow that it used to be.

Otherwise moving map seems to be working ok. Ozi is showing the location
correctly.

Second, ozi is not showing any satellite information.

Does anyone know what could be causing this two problems and possible
ways to resolve them ?

Thanks in advance

Rob





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