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Hi all!

It is time to test whether this forum is still alive.

Thank you, Peter Mulacz for the free summary of your paper about physical
mediumism: http://www.parapsych.org/papers/29.pdf . You gave there your
email address, but I thought it is important to write also to a wider
audience.

You write: "Taking into account the potential relevance of (ostensible)
phenomena of physical mediumism the present state of affairs is a deplorable
one. However, research in Paranormal Metal Bending was a first little step
in the right direction of reversing that process."

I agree with you otherwise, but the Paranormal Metal Bending is a disaster
in my opinion. I have always wondered why parapsychologists do not take
enough advantage of what mainstream scientists already know. One of the best
examples is Michael Persinger, who has "invented" new physics and geology
with rather poor credentials. It is team work with different fields of
science that is needed.

There have been mainly physicists and scholars who have tried to investigate
the metal bending, with exceedingly poor results. As far as I know, the only
highly knowledgeable metallurgists were from France, with very convincing
results. Scholars are not able to analyze the physical world and physicists
cannot say so much about practical metallurgy, and both are not able to
appreciate the results which the Frenchmen have got. I am an engineer (MA)
in machine construction and metallurgy and know what I am talking about,
having read many discussions.

There were many "mini-Gellers" in Finland in the year 1974. As a young
metallurgist I did experiments with two of them, boys aged 8 and 9 years.
Beyond all reasonable doubt they could bend my specimens paranormally. I was
very astonished to notice that I was the _only_ person in Finland trying to
make some research of the phenomenon.

When the metal bending is discussed now much later, everybody remembers Uri
Geller but mini-Gellers are most often ignored. Although their abilities are
the most convincing phenomenon to show that psi-phenomena can be real.
Unfortunately the ignoring concerns also the parapsychological community.

The next question is natural: why do parapsychologists not appreciate metal
bending, physical mediumism and poltergeist cases? Why did Gauld and Cornell
show such a sort of hostility in their unfair criticism of The Scole Report,
giving all weapons in the hands of the skeptics? In spite of their excellent
book about poltergeists. I guess it is either disbelief in the phenomena or
fear, that such mind-boggling things are dangerous for the funding of
parapsychology. It is most safe to disregard those impossible phenomena.

But remember, in science and in the long run it is the research and
_evidence_ that will resolve arguments. It ought not to be only question of
belief or funding.

Have a nice day,
Olavi




Sun May 18, 2008 12:30 pm

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Hi all! It is time to test whether this forum is still alive. Thank you, Peter Mulacz for the free summary of your paper about physical mediumism:...
Olavi Kiviniemi
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May 18, 2008
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Hi Olavi! ... physical mediumism: http://www.parapsych.org/papers/29.pdf . With pleasure. ... (ostensible) phenomena of physical mediumism the present state of...
Peter MULACZ
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May 19, 2008
12:23 pm

Hi Peter! Thank you for your kind answer. I checked the fine sites you gave in the end of your message. Such a good situation you have in Austria! In Finland...
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May 19, 2008
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Hi Olavi, ... skeptics ruling strongly everywhere in the scientific community. Come on, the situation in Austria is by far not that good -- it appears, man...
Peter MULACZ
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May 20, 2008
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May 31, 2008
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Hi Olavi, a quick amendment. This is the book I mentioned: Berendt, H. Ch.: Jenseits des Möglichen? Metallbiegen durch seelische Kraft. Einführung in die...
Peter MULACZ
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May 20, 2008
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Hi Peter, ... Unfortunately I have not possibility to get the book in near future. But there are many suggestions I can make if needed. One ought to use...
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May 20, 2008
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Dear Olavi, ... Do you read German? I might have a spare copy (I need to check it, no promise at this point in time) which I could send you. Pls provide me ...
Peter MULACZ
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May 22, 2008
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Dear Peter, ... Yes, I read German. Thank you for trying to find the book for me. ... Yes, and trying to press markings on the pieces with softer materials, ...
Olavi Kiviniemi
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May 23, 2008
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Dear Olavi, ... absolutely! ... I found same in the meantime. I was mistaken by the fact that some vandals use to make figural scrates into the glass window...
Peter MULACZ
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