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Re: [PSIRG] Disbelief or fear?

Hi Olavi!

> Thank you, Peter Mulacz for the free summary of your paper about
physical mediumism: http://www.parapsych.org/papers/29.pdf .

With pleasure.

> You write: "Taking into account the potential relevance of
(ostensible) phenomena of physical mediumism the present state of
affairs is a deplorable one. However, research in Paranormal Metal
Bending was a first little step in the right direction of reversing that
process."

> I agree with you otherwise, but the Paranormal Metal Bending is a
disaster in my opinion. I have always wondered why parapsychologists do
not take enough advantage of what mainstream scientists already know.

It is difficult to urge mainstream scientists to cooperate with
parapsychologists.

> There have been mainly physicists and scholars who have tried to
investigate the metal bending, with exceedingly poor results. As far as
I know, the only highly knowledgeable metallurgists were from France,
with very convincing results.

I disagree insofar as I believe the late British physicist John Hasted
has done a good job in investigating PMB. See his book "The Metal
Benders." London: Routledge & Kegan Paul, 1980. There is also a
documentary "Spoon Bending" by Adrin Neatrour (Cincle Cut Motion
Pictures). The text of Hasted's book used to be available on-line.
Moreover, the phenomenon evoked widespread interest in the
parapsychological community, see for example
http://www.zem.demon.co.uk/belofb.htm.

Could you provide sources for that french metallurgist?

> There were many "mini-Gellers" in Finland in the year 1974.

There were many of these kids and adolescents all over the world; in
Austria we used to call them "Gellerini" -- I believe, it was the late
Hans Bender who introduced this nick.

> As a young metallurgist I did experiments with two of them, boys aged
8 and 9 years. Beyond all reasonable doubt they could bend my specimens
paranormally.

I investigated several children at that time, in particular a boy of 14
and a girl of sevenandhalf. For the latter, see
http://parapsychologie.info/history/slides/21.htm.

I also could -- kindly mediated by my late friend, Heinz Ch. Berendt
(see http://parapsychologie.info/hcb1.htm, in German) -- investigate the
Israeli psychic Rony (Ronny) Marcus who at that time (in the 1980ies)
showed 'genuine' phenomena, however, he started to mix them up with
stage magician tricks. Now things have changed, during investigations
by Radin and Braude he did hardly, if ever, produce phenomena, just
tricks. http://ronny-marcus.tripod.com/

> When the metal bending is discussed now much later, everybody
remembers Uri Geller but mini-Gellers are most often ignored. Although
their abilities are the most convincing phenomenon to show that
psi-phenomena can be real.

Agreed.

> Unfortunately the ignoring concerns also the parapsychological community.

In part, only.

I should add that there is one elderly gentleman in Germany, Reiner
Höhndorf, who successfully rans courses in PMB.


Best,
Peter

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Hi all! It is time to test whether this forum is still alive. Thank you, Peter Mulacz for the free summary of your paper about physical mediumism:...
Olavi Kiviniemi
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Hi Olavi! ... physical mediumism: http://www.parapsych.org/papers/29.pdf . With pleasure. ... (ostensible) phenomena of physical mediumism the present state of...
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May 19, 2008
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Hi Peter! Thank you for your kind answer. I checked the fine sites you gave in the end of your message. Such a good situation you have in Austria! In Finland...
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May 19, 2008
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Hi Olavi, ... skeptics ruling strongly everywhere in the scientific community. Come on, the situation in Austria is by far not that good -- it appears, man...
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Hi Olavi, a quick amendment. This is the book I mentioned: Berendt, H. Ch.: Jenseits des Möglichen? Metallbiegen durch seelische Kraft. Einführung in die...
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Hi Peter, ... Unfortunately I have not possibility to get the book in near future. But there are many suggestions I can make if needed. One ought to use...
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Dear Olavi, ... Do you read German? I might have a spare copy (I need to check it, no promise at this point in time) which I could send you. Pls provide me ...
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Dear Peter, ... Yes, I read German. Thank you for trying to find the book for me. ... Yes, and trying to press markings on the pieces with softer materials, ...
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Dear Olavi, ... absolutely! ... I found same in the meantime. I was mistaken by the fact that some vandals use to make figural scrates into the glass window...
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