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Re: [PSIRG] Victor Zammit keen reaction

I'm interested in hearing more.  Many of my friends are (mental) psychics.   It's well known that physical psychics are rare.  Even rarer to hear that the medium uses the old-fashioned cabinet.   Can you talk about any controls that were in effect to assure that there was no deception or fraud?  Was it in a well lit or dim room?   Just wondering.

--Mike

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From: maryselocke <mso1@...>
To: PSI_research@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:09:58 AM
Subject: [PSIRG] Victor Zammit keen reaction

Please, find below the last article of Victor Zammit in answer to
a "new Houdini" in search of fame on the expense of the others...

In case you never heard about the physical medium David Thompson,
here the web site of Silver Cord Circle (David Thompson's circle)
http://www.silverco rdcircle. com/

My husband and myself have attended a materialization séance with
this medium at Glasgow last year, and the father of my husband fully
materialized and talked to his son and to myself. He embrassed my
husband and then touched my hair while he was talking to me and asked
me to looked after his son. In this discussion with my husband John,
he talked about private subjects concerning John's mother that I was
not aware, and that has been confirmed by my husband.

At this séance, I have also asked if we could talked to the American
Thomas Edison. After about 20 seconds of waiting - the time that
principal guide William asked in the cabinet where the vortex was
created to find Thomas Edison - Thomas Edison came in the cabinet,
and then fully materialized he walked toward my husband and me. Then
standing at few centimeters from both of us, he continued a technical
discussion on some device we are building. Discussion that had
already began in our home with him. The medium arriving from Sydney
(Australia) was not aware of this.

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http://www.victorza mmit.com/ articles/ dick.htm

A PERSONAL ATTACK ON VICTOR
I received just two emails informing me that someone is attacking my
credibility as an investigator – I looked up the URL they sent and
yes, some misguided 'Spiritualist' is going off his head.

But what is very peculiar is the attacker – let's call him 'Simon
Dick' - I will not fall for his trick to exploit the issue and give
him free publicity by using his real name. This 'Dick' did not have
the courage to send me the scurrilous article attacking me.

It is cowardice pushed to its extreme for this `Dick' to be trying to
disseminate anti-Victor Zammit pernicious propaganda and not have the
decency, the honesty and the integrity to send the article to me
himself.

Further, this unqualified and uninformed 'Dick' misleads the reader
by trying to make himself come across as a smartass expert litigation
lawyer and to come across as an expert in scientific method. I was
informed the attacker is neither. He is reportedly a failed small-
time publisher; a non-entity trying to bolster up a flagging
readership before his last few readers abandon him altogether. He
sends the dirty article to others with an established readership
hoping to steal some of their readers – tricky but not nice.

The main thrust of his complaint is that Alan Crossley did not
materialize for the Circle of the Silver Cord. But, we notice very
carefully, this complainant, 'Dick' acknowledges that voices were
recorded. This means that the Circle produced evidence that some
entity was speaking.

On what grounds do I believe that the entity was Alan Crossley?

Firstly, the entity himself claimed to be Alan Crossley. That was
noted with great care.

Secondly a member of Stewart Alexander's Circle who claimed to have
been a very close friend of Alan says he felt the contact was
genuine "His voice on hearing it sounded like his earthly one ..."

Thirdly there were two important witnesses at the seance who felt the
contact was genuine. What we did not reveal to the world before –
only to a few people - is that at the materializations session, the
grandson of Helen Duncan, David Duncan, was there present with us.
That is the reason that Alan Crossley and Helen Duncan and Helen
Duncan's guide Albert all materialized.

David Duncan's attestation can be read on the Circle of the Silver
Cord website. He writes:

" I will not go into much more detail as although there were others
present, what was said to me was of a personal nature. Needless to
say I have no doubt whatsoever that this was indeed my Grandmother –
known throughout the world as one of the greatest and best known
physical mediums, that gave her life, so that we might practice these
natural gifts given to us without fear or malice."

Also present was Christine Morgan Spiritualist Sanctuary Perth whose
attestation can be read on the Circle website. Christine's father was
a friend of Alan Crossley. She writes:

" Alan Crossley a great physical mediumship researcher and a friend
of my father's also came through that evening, he greeted me
personally, spoke about my dad several times, and shook my hand, felt
my face and stroked my hair, this causing me to be very moved."

The members of the Circle of the Silver Cord do not particularly care
who comes through. They do not ask who they want to materialize –
that is left up to William at his own absolute discretion. The medium
offers the spirits the ectoplasm to materialize. They can call
themselves whoever they like.

For myself whether or not the spirits are who they say they are, is
not all that important. But I go on the totality of the evidence.

The fact is that we have definitive evidence of spirit activity and
we at least have the spirit voices as hard core substantive evidence
of their materializations. And the previous mentioned tape voice
correlations I made show at least there is a prima facie case made
out that the voices are all different and different from David
Thompson's.

What is most unfair about 'Dick's' article is the lie that the ONLY
evidence the Circle has produced of the afterlife is voices in the
dark. Anyone who seriously read reports by myself, Montague Keen, the
Zerdin Phenomenal Magazine, the Circle website would know that we
have had:

* repeated levitations sometimes with David speaking from the ceiling
* matter through matter demonstrations
* the sound of materialization and de-materialization
* extended trumpet phenomena
* musical instruments played high up near the ceiling
* the medium's gag being dematerialized and rematerialized
* curtains opened and closed by materialized hands
* hands large and fairly small fingers visible in the light of a
luminous plaque
* apport phenomena
* verified signatures of spirit guests written on paper
* ectoplasm seen and photographed in red light
* materialized guests shaking hands with sitters who were able to
feel the size of their hands
* the sound of materialized feet walking across the floor and in some
cases the feel of them treading on toes
* lots of touch of materialized adults, children and at least two
dogs.
* several spirit voices - and David Thompson's voice - being heard AT
THE SAME TIME conversing to each other.
* William and David counting simultaneously
* And most telling of all, the Circle has had more than 90 people
reunited with loved ones whom they identified as giving them evidence
of their identity and up to date involvement in their lives.

It has to be noted that the Circle only puts a small proportion of
the taped evidence on the internet.

In addition many of the people sitting with the Circle are mental
mediums themselves and have received cross-validation before during
and after sittings.

For over twelve months I challenged any skeptic around the world-
especially those in the U.S., UK, Australia, Italy, Germany, Sweden
and Denmark - for half a million dollars to show that the evidence
the Circle was getting was not produced by genuine physical
mediumship.

Understandably, the hard core materialist skeptics knowing that some
of the Circle members are professional empiricists and at all times
and operate with due diligence, would not dare challenge the evidence
produced every week – they knew they'd get their fingers burnt and
lose *half a million dollars themselves when they failed.

Here are the main issues raised by the uninformed complainant 'Dick':

1# that the standard of David Thompson's mediumship is not up to that
of physical mediums of the past.

Victor: Montague Keen, when he first investigated David Thompson,
stated that the controls on David were far in excess of those used on
famous mediums Eva C or Jack Webber.

To my knowledge, David Thompson is the only materialization medium to
allow independent highly qualified investigators to investigate his
materialization mediumship every week for over fifteen months.

I always stated that we all want to have the best evidence, but we
have to deal with what we get. The suggested alternative by `Dick' –
is to slam the door shut on those from the otherside who are trying
to do their best to communicate with us given the restricted
circumstances.

We here are in no position to unilaterally demand how we want things
done from the otherside – they have limitations themselves. The way
the Circle of the Silver Cord does it is to have patience, lots of
patience when the other side says they are working very hard to
improve conditions. I never ever stated that we have the ideal
physical conditions – and repeated there is always room for
improvement. In fact, precedent has it that at least one other well
known medium in England had to wait seven years to get any results.

The Circle has had one year and three months of experimentation. And
we are so thankful for the hitherto brilliant results we attained
particularly in public séances so far.

And given the state of the world and the urgent need for any
confirmation of the existence of an afterlife it would be highly
irresponsible and professionally negligent to suggest that we should
keep quiet about the evidence we have been getting until we have
the "absolute proof". Positive feedback confirms that too many people
have repeatedly been helped.

2# that Victor gives weekly reports on David Thompson and alleged
communications from Houdini, Conan Doyle and Winston Churchill.

Victor: two serious errors that show 'Dick' to be a very sloppy,
negligent investigator: first, I have done just a couple of updates
on the seances in the last FIVE months – NOT weekly as I used to.

Secondly, I have never ever mentioned Churchill in my weekly reports.
Wake up 'DICK'!

3# that Victor's investigative methodology and qualifications are
questionable.

Victor: In the two years – which includes some fifteen months of
weekly careful investigations of David Thompson's
materializations, 'Dick' or his friends never at any time ever
complained about my scientific methodology. If this Dick were truly
concerned, he would have responded to my call for anyone to show
which potential intervening variables I was not controlling. Whilst
other scientists and empiricists totally agreed with my methodology,
no skeptic, no debunker, no scientist and certainly no 'Dick' ever
stated WHERE, WHEN, HOW and WHY the scientific methodology I was
using was not correct.

3# that Victor's description of himself as a writer and researcher on
the empirical evidence for the afterlife is ambiguous.

Victor: What is so ambiguous about `empirical'? For the informed, it
is very easy to understand. `Empirical' at university level relates
to any experiment which strictly adheres to scientific method. It
would be fundamentally wrong to have an a priori `theory or system' –
you have a hypothesis to test and only scientific method to work
with. 'Dick' shows he is a layperson erroneously relying on
dictionary definitions and a misplaced ego!.

4.# Since David Thompson's phenomena are produced in the dark the
primary sense being relied on is hearing and thus the evidence is not
empirical because it is not observable by the senses.

Victor: Here is a critical issue by someone who appears to use
dictionary definitions as distinct what is professionally taught at
universities. By analogy, if 'Dick's' mother was physically alive and
was in total darkness and had two minutes to talk to this 'Dick' –
can he say, "no it's not my mother because I cannot see her?" Even
though she would be sitting next to him?

Some spirits also bring with them a distinctive smell. In the case of
the entity which claimed it was Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, there was
physical contact with him. Just because one or two of the senses are
absent does not mean the experiment would not be valid. In scientific
method everything – all intervening variables are noted with due
care. I have been stating that repeatability, objectivity and
empiricism is what we have: a formula is followed, it is repeated
over space and time, keeping variables constant and we get the same
results, i.e. materializations. And 'Dick' can misinterpret, lie,
cheat till he's blue in the face, he's not going to change that, ever.

5#. Victor is basing his assumptions purely upon a voice in the dark
which claims to be Houdini or Conan Doyle and this is ridiculous and
unscientific.

Victor: Here this 'Dick' shows how `ridiculous' he himself is – and
shows his real malicious intent to denigrate by trying to come across
as all-knowing about evidence. Why? I am basing my conclusions on the
totality of what I have observed and experienced and the credibility
of the witnesses I interviewed. All extraneous variables are
immediately relevant: voices, peculiar smells (one observer, Camilla,
a guest from Sweden, reported smelling tobacco when Conan Doyle went
near her) – and all known idiosyncrasies. And 'Dick' omitted to state
what I stated many times over the last two years: that while spirits
are definitely coming through, we are not in a position
to `guarantee' that those who come through are who they claim to be.
Again, back to 'Dick's' mum in darkness: he can say yes, it is his
mother without doubt, but he would never be able to use science to
show that she is who she claims to be.

6# Victor should know that only relevant evidence is admissible and
then goes on to try to lecture me on the rules of evidence.

Victor: So, here we go again, this 'Dick' is trying to play the
expert litigation lawyer – citing legal dictionary definitions. Of
course, I'm not here to educate this uninformed 'Dick', but to show
that he is fundamentally wrong. Is the fact that voices are produced
not relevant? Are the messages we get from loved ones not relevant?

7# The recordings of the alledged spirits do not prove or disprove
anything.

My wife and I witnessed more than forty reunions – loved ones from
the otherside with their loved ones sitting in the séance room.

I heard people crying in the séance room when they were told things
that only they could know.

I heard my own wife's father coming through and relating information
no one on earth knew about except my wife – and

handing her a piece of paper with his confirmed signature.

I heard Gordon Higginson correcting Ken Pretty in New Zealand about
where in fact they met last time when they were in England.

I also witnessed other stunning evidence that could not have been
concocted by anyone. Is this 'Dick' trying to negate all this by his
stupid uninformed conclusions?

8.# 'Dick' attempts to lecture on scientific method.

Here again this uninformed Dick is misleading the reader. It is NOT
correct to state that scientific method is the process by which
scientists … There are lawyer-empiricists – as I am - who are NOT
scientists but have a major in Scientific Method at university as an
adjunct to a major in Psychology. So when this uninformed Dick tries
to mislead the reader, the onus is on this Dick to tell us what's his
authority for that. Failing that, this Dick shows he's making it up.
Don't waste our precious time, DICK!

9.# That I have not produced any evidence for materialization having
taken place.

'Dick' does not put his money where his mouth is. I offered $500,000
to anyone, including this 'Dick', to show that what we are doing,
producing objective, repeatable evidence is not valid. But *one
condition was that if the challenger failed, he would have to hand
over the $500,000 to us. Yet of the vehemently negative critics, not
even this vociferous 'Dick', had the testes, the courage, the
motivation, the stomach to take us on. If he were definitively sure,
he would have made a quick half a million dollars. But, this
uninformed negative Spiritualist showed that he KNOWS that we are
producing hard core objective and repeatable evidence. Put up or shut
up 'Dick'!

10. # The voice of Alan Crossley was different from his voice while
alive.

Here, 'Dick' continues to go from bad to worse – he shows more
ignorance of basic materialization. The voice in materializations
will sometimes sound different to voices when the person was alive,
particularly for an inexperienced communicator. Each visitor from the
afterlife has different skills in vocalizing. Gordon Higginson comes
across clear as crystal but some others sometimes try to speak but
with no clear articulation. Some spirits try to vocalize but abandon
the attempt. I am on record for stating in the past that Sir Arthur
Conan Doyle bitterly complained that speaking during materialization
is 'like speaking with your head underwater.' So the professional
empiricist will not use the voice as the sole criterion – there are
other critical relevant empirical issues to take into account.
But 'Dick' has not experienced even one materialization with David
Thompson.

As to 'Dick' asking me to ask Alan Crossley some questions. No, I
will NOT deal with nor negotiate with proven cowards, liars and
amateurs. The whole of this 'Dick's' article is highly venomous, vile
and scurrilous and full of lies. It is a personal attack on me.

The Circle of the Silver Cord is not interested in debating the
evidence- they put it out there honestly and in good faith to assist
people who are searching and to encourage those who are genuine to
find their own evidence.

Sure we would all like to return to days of Helen Duncan and Alex
Harris but writing negative uniformed attacks full of venom and
malice is not helping that to happen – in fact this 'Dick' is
exacerbating the huge problem in Spiritualism – bitter division.

It is malicious conduct in the extreme and surely as most of us
know 'Dick' or whatever his name is, one day you will pay the price
for your willful venom and for disseminating darkness, guaranteed!

I suggest that any reader who has been misled by Dick's attacks read
the testimony of witnesses who were actually present at one of
David's séances and make up their own minds:

Ken Pretty's audio testimony
http://www.victorza mmit.com/ audio/kenpretty2 9.10.06.mp3

Camilla Persson's audio testimony
http://www.victorza mmit.com/ audio/camillaper son15.10. 06.mp3

Dr Ken S. audio testimony
http://www.victorza mmit.com/ audio/ken1. mp3
http://www.victorza mmit.com/ audio/ken2ectopl asm.mp3
http://www.victorza mmit.com/ audio/ken6healin g.mp3
http://www.victorza mmit.com/ audio/ken7import ance.mp3

Wendy Phillips' written report
http://www.victorza mmit.com/ articlesdavid/ wendyphillipsrep ort.htm

Karen Ellis' written report
http://www.victorza mmit.com/ articlesdavid/ karenellis. htm

Violet Eccles written report
http://www.victorza mmit.com/ articlesdavid/ davidinmelbourne .html

Victor Zammit's video testimony
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=6nPe7vK8kCg% 20

Victor Zammit
20th May 2008

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