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Re: [PSIRG] Disbelief or fear?

Dear Olavi,


> > Pulling to the extend of beyond the range of Hooke's law. Yes, it
> would be interesting to encourage 'spoon benders' to try other means
> of deformation such as pulling or pressing.
>
> > Yes, and trying to press markings on the pieces with softer
> materials, aluminum coins or even with patterned plastic pieces.
> Fingerprints would be convincing.

absolutely!


> > I see your point. Yet I have objections:
> >
> > 1. the method you suggest should result in scratches on the inside
> wall of the container as you accomplish the deformation by pressing
> the paperclips against the wall. The hardness of the metal is higher
> than the one of the container; it is easy to obtain scratches on such
> surfaces. However, no such scratches can be detected (at least on the
> photos; of course, this one would not be sufficient to determine:
>
> Actually the paperclips are softer than the glass according to the
> Mohs scale and wikipedia:
> 4 to 5 Iron
> 6 to 7 Glass, Vitreous pure silica
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohs_scale_of_mineral_hardness


I found same in the meantime. I was mistaken by the fact that some
vandals use to make figural scrates into the glass window panes of the
suburb in Vienna.
Yet I do not remember whether Hasted's sphere was of 'real' glass or
plexiglass the surface of which is definitely softer.


> You just gave a very important point. That is checking for microscopic
> markings and traces revealing what has happened with the pieces.
> Investigating the fracture surfaces and so on.


ought to be done ...


> > 2. 'your' method will work as soon as the sphere is, say, half-way
> filled, but ...
>
> No problem. You can turn the sphere so that the hole is down.


your point is taken


> Returning to the photo of the sphere. You can notice that there are
> hooks in the middle parts of the scrunch and the twisted ends are
> protruding out, revealing the method of accomplishing the scrunch. If
> the free ends of the twists are very short, it is worth checking if
> there are traces of tools there, pliers markings for example.

yes, this is a very good idea.

Unfortunately, at this point in time I have no idea in whose custody
that sphere and everything else Hasted has left behind are kept after
his passing. I'll try to find out ...


Best,
Peter

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Hi all! It is time to test whether this forum is still alive. Thank you, Peter Mulacz for the free summary of your paper about physical mediumism:...
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Hi Olavi! ... physical mediumism: http://www.parapsych.org/papers/29.pdf . With pleasure. ... (ostensible) phenomena of physical mediumism the present state of...
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Hi Peter! Thank you for your kind answer. I checked the fine sites you gave in the end of your message. Such a good situation you have in Austria! In Finland...
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Hi Olavi, ... skeptics ruling strongly everywhere in the scientific community. Come on, the situation in Austria is by far not that good -- it appears, man...
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Hi Olavi, a quick amendment. This is the book I mentioned: Berendt, H. Ch.: Jenseits des Möglichen? Metallbiegen durch seelische Kraft. Einführung in die...
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Hi Peter, ... Unfortunately I have not possibility to get the book in near future. But there are many suggestions I can make if needed. One ought to use...
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Dear Olavi, ... Do you read German? I might have a spare copy (I need to check it, no promise at this point in time) which I could send you. Pls provide me ...
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Dear Peter, ... Yes, I read German. Thank you for trying to find the book for me. ... Yes, and trying to press markings on the pieces with softer materials, ...
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Dear Olavi, ... absolutely! ... I found same in the meantime. I was mistaken by the fact that some vandals use to make figural scrates into the glass window...
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