Having arrived at a format for identifying the abductor and probable murderer of
Michaela Joy Garecht, age 9, the next step was to search for the perpetrator by
utilizing services provided for that purpose. There were two I researched but
had more success with Family Watchdog than I did with Megan's Law.
The preferred format is given below. "Charles" is believed to be his first name
and was derived in the three-four, numeric synchronicity. See message #879 for
details. Single asterisks are used instead of spaces to separate groups. Two
asterisks separate first name from last name.
CHA*RLES ** __ __P*P __ __
I used an algorithmic process in combination with Family Watchdog for rummaging
through a million sex offenders in the U.S., and in the process narrowed the
search down to less than a few thousand names. Only two names came up nationwide
for fitting the format. They were Charles A. Peppers, GA, and Charles W.
Jeppson, FL. Peppers was ruled out immediately for his being Black and underage.
Jeppson is white and appears to fit the description except for one or two items.
His face is fuller than what the sketch shows in the police rendering, but he is
21 years older now (age 42), so I put little credence in that. Facial ratios are
the same except for the area surrounding his hairline, broader at the top. Hair
color seems incidental, although Jeppson's is dark brown, or black, and curly.
The perp's is shown as blond, straight and shoulder length, but could easily
have been a wig.
Later I did a search for two P's in any combination of seven letters and,
surprisingly, drew a blank.
This note is about a second experience I had with numeric synchronicity for the
purpose of identifying by name the abductor and probable murderer of Michaela
Joy Garecht. The first was "Paranormal Sketch of a Serial Killer," posted on
Psi_Research as message #207. Message #876 is an upgrade of that message and
resolves a conflict of boundaries between numeric synchronicity and the
application of logic.
The JOST experience was extraordinary and is the essence of the first note and
was included in message #876. In the upgrade I removed irrelevancies such as
Jackie Robinson, Karl Menke and hypnosis. That brings us up to date and opens
the door to the experience of another vision for embarking again in numeric
synchronicity.
While vacationing with my family in Mexico, I had a vision of a film badge
bearing the abductor's face. Compared to the police composite, he appeared to be
younger, better looking and without pock marks on his face. Police tend to alter
the actual sketch of a suspect in order to screen bogus phone calls. The
letters, below, appeared at the top right of the film badge in a stencil like
pattern and is unusual. Stencils are normally used for spray painting names on
larger surfaces and are used frequently in the military for painting names on
clothing for bundled laundering. It could point to the perpetrator as being an
enlisted man in the military. Officers get preferential treatment
C H A P P
--B E R G
The first three letters of JOST were meaningful for suggesting that Joseph was
the first name of Carpenter, the trailside killer; as are the first three
letters of CHAPP for hinting Charles. In a familiar format, CHA becomes the
'known' and RLES the 'unknown', but no longer for establishing a three-four
synchron for corresponding to the two, three and four letter groups. The two P's
are letters in the perpetrator's last name, just as T was in Carpenter's. The
contrasting difference is two P's are initially unknowns versus a single T
appearing in Carpenter. Further a three-four pattern designates an even number
of groups, thought of as a broken pattern. Carpenter's last name was a
continuous three's pattern throughout and, in retrospect, would have been easier
to resolve.
The problem is more difficult with a broken pattern. It is easier, of course, to
accommodate one unknown than two. Separating the Ps complicates the process,
that is, if they are to be separated. Therein lays the problem and a possible
solution. If the Ps are contiguous they can be treated as a single entity in the
placement process, and the task of synchronicity is completed. Placed adjacently
to one another in the first and second groups resolves the problem, but is it
acceptable?
CHA RLES _ _ P P _ _. For example, Charles Teppers
There appear to be no other positions for the Ps in a consistent framework. A
different letter arrangement would be necessary for bringing about a different
synchronicity. Quite possibly, one P would work instead of two P's but, again,
that is another synchronicity. We cannot expect much more with only the two
experiences to draw upon, and the combinations are limited. It is because the
first name establishes the synchron, not the last name. Nonetheless, it was
something to get things started and worth exploring for learning the abductors
last name. To that end, I looked at a list of over 500 registered sex offenders
in California named "Charles." These were in combination with every letter in
the alphabet and photos were available so that I might draw from memory. Nothing
surfaced with two P's in seven letters, not alone the idealized _ _ PP_ _ _. I,
then, tried four more states beside California and included Texas because of its
high percentage of sex offenders, but with no success. I mention it in passing.
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MICHAELA JOY GARECHT. Child Abduction
I was to learn in more than one scenario that a child victim is not entirely
removed from the circumstances leading to her tragic demise. For example, in
November 1988, two weeks before the abduction and probable murder of Michaela
Joy Garecht in Hayward, CA, the child of nine years had become extremely
tearful. Her mother told me that noise in the house began terrifying her child
at night and the family doctor could offer no explanation other than `growing
pains.'
One week before the abduction in the middle of the night, Michaela got out of
bed and wrote a poem in three-stanzas. Sharon, her mother, related the poem to
me against the admonishing of the police. Her reasoning was that more than a
year had elapsed since the tormenting ordeal, and she had given up any hope that
her daughter was still alive. She revealed the poem only after I described an
unusual psychical experience I had of Michaela long after the abduction. I told
her I saw Michaela behind a wall, but it was dark and I could not make her out.
As true in the past, revelations of dark imaging mean, "It is too late" and
something I was yet to learn.
Michaela's poem is given below. I believe the first stanza is most enlightening
for what conceivably lies `beyond' in the many varieties of beliefs, religious
and otherwise. Michaela to some degree had become consciously aware of her fate.
Michaela's Poem
The people knock on doors of steel
The people knock, the people kneel
They think of things that aren't real
Outside the doors of steel.
The people walk, the people know
That outside the doors, the people know
The people think that you may say
The people think that they too know
They lack the confidence you have
They think it real, the dreams you have
The dreams you feel.
"Doors of steel" undoubtedly symbolize the impenetrable. She had crossed over
with little or no chance of returning. In the second stanza she appears to be
confused, and in the third stanza has transcended her past reality as illusory.
Punctuation is glossed over for having gotten the poem while on the phone from
her mother.
On the day of the kidnapping, Michaela hesitated before leaving the house.
Sharon
said: "She turned around and looked at me – hesitated -- shrugged her shoulders
and left with her girlfriend." To quote Sharon further, "I will never forget
that look. I wished I had grabbed her and never let her go."
Just a brief "hello" to all. I'm a registered
nurse and for years have been learning about human
electromagnetics, biofields and magnetocardiograms
because I have PK. I am amazed at how much we've
learned about ourselves but how much we still don't
know. About ourselves and how we interact with our
environment.
I have also studied controlled remote viewing with
Lyn Buchanan, one of the original members of the
Stargate unit. I have studied Basic, Intermediate,
Advanced and Med Apps, and am currently planning
to study analysis of crv sessions and project
management soon.
I look forward to learning from and sharing with all
of you.
Best,
Teresa
http://www.aestheticimpact.com/http://www.crviewer.com/
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David Joseph Carpenter, a misfit turned serial killer, brutally took the lives
of seven individuals in Marin and Santa Cruz Counties, located near San
Francisco, California, during 1980 and into early 1981. He was better known as
the trailside killer and is now on death row at San Quentin Prison awaiting
execution.
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First Phone Call.
I telephoned Marin County Sheriff's Department in middle 1980 to provide
psychical inputs on the trailside killings that were occurring at Mt. Tamalpais
in Marin County, California. My call was transferred to Detective Charlie
Numark's desk, whereupon I introduced myself and described a scene in the
general area of the latest murder and gave a description of a man I saw there.
He asked if I felt the individual was the killer. I said "no, but I am wondering
why he is there or, for that matter, why I even made the phone call." I felt
foolish, but he put me at ease. I was to learn I had described Numark himself,
and we began corresponding frequently for the purpose of providing him with
psychical leads.
I described to Charlie the brutal stabbing murder of Barbara Schwartz, pseudonym
for the unfortunate victim who the news media related as being shot to death.
Details of the murder had not only been kept from the public, but as a tactical
maneuver the media was intentionally given distorted facts. The ploy was to
isolate crank phone calls and, hopefully, catch the killer off guard. Most
important, it was to protect the family from more hurt. I do not refer to
Barbara Schwartz by her birth name in this narrative for the same reasons. Many
persons were phoning the sheriff's department for various reasons, some even
claiming to be the killer. Others were phoning the grief stricken family and
adding to their pain. What follows in the next paragraph would make matters
worse should the parents learn that Barbara Schwartz was savagely mutilated.
Barbara Schwartz was reported to have been shot to death, and to this day that
hasn't changed, but the fact is she was repeatedly stabbed to death and
coincided with the description I gave Charlie. The killer had confronted her on
the trail and demanded sex. She thought him ridiculous, and when she ignored him
and began to walk past him, he became enraged and brutally attacked her. I
witnessed the attack visually but never saw the killer's face, only his actions.
Schwartz was in plain view. I not only saw her, but I was also reading her
thoughts. She was kicked to the ground, where she lay on her back with her knees
folded and pulled up to her chest. Her arms were drawn together, bent at the
elbows and pressed tightly against her body for shielding herself. She had
clenched her fists and was pretending the horror was not happening. He began
slashing her across the neck, left shoulder, and below her shoulder. He was in a
frenzy, and that should have been a clue to aid in his capture. In his rage he
cut himself badly and afterward went to a nearby hospital for emergency
treatment. When asked, he said he cut himself slicing meat.
Charlie neither affirmed nor denied any of the description, but later asked if I
would like to visit rogue's gallery. I seized the opportunity and made another
trip to Marin County Sheriff's department. I was escorted to an isolated room
where a large board was mounted on a far wall with photos of suspects and,
presumably, other criminals. In the center of the room, members of the task
force were gathered around a large table. They were not pleased by my presence,
and one in particular was vocal about it. Surprised, and thrown off balance and
feeling very uncomfortable, I wanted to leave then and there. Nonetheless, I
looked at the photos but failed to provide anything meaningful, and we left.
Most of my input to Charlie Numark over the many months did not seem
particularly relevant except for two that were meaningful in retrospect. They
were (1) "David" and, sometime later, (2) "AU JOST." David was messaged
psychically and AU JOST was an animated vision. The six letters as two words
posed a challenge for unraveling more of the killer's name but was difficult to
assess. Numeric synchroncity was needed to encode AU JOST and was something I
had not considered at the time. The cryptic JOS was to surface as Joseph and I
will go into that shortly. Suffices, the two items provided his first and
second names, and when coupled with police records could have been enough to
identify David Joseph Carpenter as the serial killer. That was six months before
he had the opportunity to kill two more times. Carpenter had been paroled less
than two years earlier and confined to living in the Bay Area.
David.
I had been concentrating on the trailside killer, trying to get a mental image
and/or a name. I got Chapman but ruled it out as coincidence, because I had
known Ed Chapman, a former IBM manager. Moments later, I got the name David.
David Chapman! Something different was being pointed out. Two weeks later, Mark
David Chapman murdered John Lennon, a former musician of the Beatles musical
group, who along with three other members were widely acclaimed in the 1960's.
I discussed this with Detective Numark. I felt that because Chapman was involved
with an Asian woman and John Lennon was married to Yoko Ono, an Asian woman; the
killer was likely involved with or married to an Asian woman. This was not to be
the case. What the two men had in common was the same name `David' (Mark David
Chapman and David Joseph Carpenter). A same name had not occurred to me, but,
even so, why the first and second names? The paranormal was not making it
easier.
AU JOST.
As previously mentioned, six letters appeared in a vision for spelling out "AU
JOST" in two words. A punctuation mark, known as an "umlaut," appeared as a ball
and was bouncing back and forth over the tops of the letters before coming to
rest over the "T". I asked linguist, Marcell Greathouse, to shed light on the
meaning of the two words. She said that "JOST" was a common Swiss name of German
origin and that "AU" means "Attention! Hearken! Hear me! Pay attention to that
name!" She said the umlaut was stopped at the wrong place, however, and had to
be over a vowel. The umlaut bouncing back and forth and finally coming to rest
over the "T", suggested a search for other letters following "S", and in
particular, a vowel before or after the "T". There were missing letters, maybe
even words, but more importantly it was being pointed out. Marcell also
mentioned that a crossed "J" is modern and an uncrossed is archaic. The "J" was
crossed. Hindsight offered a solution after Carpenter was captured. The missing
letters appeared as illustrated in the section of Numeric Synchronicity and
identifies the exact placement of the letter "T".
Numeric Synchronicity.
Numeric synchronicity is the utilization of identical numbers as meaningful.
Using three as a three's (numeric} synchron, an argument is presented that the
exact placement of the letter "T" in his last name further identifies David
Joseph Carpenter as the serial killer. Initially an assumption is made that the
first three letters, J O S, stand for Joseph. There are not that many
possibilities and only one that seemingly offers consistency in three's
synchronicity, meaning everything that happens, happens only in three's.
J O S in combination with E P H establishes a hierarchical pattern of three's.
Three `known' letters appear on the left in combination with three `unknown'
letters on the right in his first name. Three groups of three letters each make
up his last name with "T" in the third group and the third letter in that group.
It is only when "T" becomes known as belonging in the third group the task of
three's synchronicity is complete. The quest now is to logically reason where in
the third group the transitional "T" is to appear. There are three choices, of
course, and since the umlaut ruled out "T" in the third position, two remain.
"T" cannot occupy the second position because that would necessitate a vowel as
the third letter and was ruled out because the umlaut failed to find one. Recall
that the umlaut stopped bouncing back and forth and came to rest on "T." "T"
must be the first letter in the third group and is illustrated below.
Underscores and hyphens are used to maintain letter alignment and for separating
the groups.
J O S – E P H____ C A R – P E N – T E R
J O S_____________________________T
Conclusion.
Information from psychical experiencing linked Carpenter as the killer six or
seven months before his arrest, and `David' and `AU JOST' attest to it in a
framework of numeric synchronicity - three's synchronicity in this case. The
unfortunate reality is two more lives were lost because of Carpenter's brutal
charade. Ellen Hanson and Heather Scaggs, both 20 years old, became his last
victims. They were murdered in March and in early May of 1981 in Santa Cruz
County, which is approximately fifty miles south of Marin County. Carpenter was
arrested at his San Francisco home May 15, 1981. He was sentenced on 16 November
1984 to die in San Quentin prison, where he remains on death row at the time of
this writing.
Post note: I was forming an identity with Carpenter and was something I expected
because of prior experiences with serial killers and mass murderers. It was a
consistent foreboding by as much as 12 hours and was always unique for each
killer. In Carpenter's case, the pattern was somewhat the same, differing only
in time and intensity of feelings. He had shifted his murderous escapades to
Santa Cruz, CA, and one week before the murder of Heather Scaggs I experienced a
familiar foreboding. I telephoned the Santa Cruz Police Department on Friday,
April 24, 1981, at 4:30 PM and expressed my concerns to Investigator Steve
Fitzgerald in Homicide, but nothing of the kind happened that weekend.
The same feelings pervaded the next weekend, but I deliberately avoided
telephoning Fitzgerald out of embarrassment and self doubt. Heather Scaggs was
murdered that weekend. After Carpenter's arrest, I learned from an article in
the San Jose Mercury News that she had cancelled plans with Carpenter the week
before to look at an automobile that he insisted was a good buy for her.
Apparently they knew each other and may have even worked together at one time,
but I learned later she had concerns about him. It was the final sting for
Heather Scaggs for not going with her intuition.
Upon being arrested by the FBI, Carpenter was to beg, "Please don't hurt me."
It is ironical, considering he made a ritual of killing by inflicting
psychological torture on his victims and putting them in situations of pleading
and groveling for their lives – in vain.
It is noteworthy and equally sad that when Carpenter had been paroled 21 May
1979, his counselor at the half-way house in San Francisco expressed great
admiration for the progress Carpenter had made toward rehabilitation.
"I would think that Mr. Carpenter's days of criminality are over," said the
counselor. Two years later Carpenter went on his bestial killing spree, and two
more years were to pass before he was finally apprehended and put away. Seven
victims are known for certain to have suffered torture before losing their lives
to him. It is said the numbers are far more. Only two of the victims were used
as testimony of his guilt in court. The District Attorney feared that defense
lawyers would find loop holes for bringing up any of the five victims in Marin
County, and on a technicality Carpenter would not be found guilty of first
degree murder and escape the death penalty.
I failed to mention in the Pan Am message mailed to you October 5, that the
material is an upgrade of an earlier note published in the Journal of
Spirituality and Paranormal Studies, April 2007, titled "The Downing of Pan Am
103." The upgrade shifts the focus even more to the paranormal in an attempt to
understand `false reports' and other anomalies. I am referring to J.W. Dunne's
work that I alluded to earlier.
In "The Crashing of Swiss Air Flight 111," an oddity is to be found in the
mystery of sixes – in a (1) six before, a (2) six during and a (3) six after the
crash (666). The number coincides with Revelations 13:18 in the King James
Version of the Bible. To the Christian religionist it is the "Mark of the Beast,
a subject of considerable controversy for relating to the coming millennium,
although in the minds of many the world is currently in that phase, maybe even
past. In general, the mark is taken literally in Christianity instead of
symbolically, but either way the paranormal presented another anomaly, even
more.
There is also the mystery of an exploding magnetar, 23,000 light years in space
and is borne out in the Flight 111 note copied below. A supporting article
appeared in the L.A. Times and that, too, is copied below. The explosion
occurred the very day of the unusual messaging 27 August 1988, which was
"Indications are that an aircraft will be shot down." There is the fear that in
the ocean below, persons in boats will take pot-shots at aircraft passing
overhead. However, the keyword is `Indications' and is open to interpretation.
The investigation of Flight 111 disclosed that flammable material used in the
aircraft's structure allowed a fire to spread beyond the control of the crew,
but the cause of the fire remains unsolved.
There are other peculiarities in the Flight 111 note, predictive and otherwise,
but rather than continue along brief lines of redundancy, the note and news
article will shed more light.
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The Crashing of Swissair Flight 111 on September 2, 1998
On 27 August 1998 I e-mailed John Beloff, editor of the Society of Psychical
Research in London, and described a psychical experience I had that day. It was
an "interruptive" experience, meaning that normal thought process was
interrupted for paranormal messaging. The message was: "Indications are that an
aircraft will be shot down." Six days later Swissair Flight 111 crashed into the
ocean off Nova Scotia, killing all 227 persons on board. The cause of the
tragedy is still under investigation.
It appears that the prediction of Swissair Flight 111 was affirmed by three
actual events in which the number six linked each event to the prediction. In
my mind the flight was shot down, as stated in the prediction, although this has
yet to be confirmed by Canadian investigators.
The first appearance of the number six (6) occurred psychically to me four days
before the crash in the form of six (6) letters. These were B R A I T S or B R A
I T T. As it turns out, the latter fits within the name of Lt. Col. Brian
Akitt, in charge of Canadian Rescue Operations. Six alphabetic characters share
sequentially but not altogether contiguously in the first and last names, as
illustrated below. Defying "Intervention Paradox," a more elaborate
communications network, worldwide, might have been instrumental in averting the
tragic outcome of Swissair on the basis that "Six warns!"
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
B R I A N A K I T T
B R A I T T
The second appearance of six (6) occurred during the actual event. As reported
by the news media, the aircraft's power system failed six (6) minutes before the
crash. This rendered the jet aircraft helpless and subjected passengers and crew
to the terror of darkness.
The third appearance of six (6) occurred after the event. Wreckage was spewed
over a six (6) mile radius after the crash, as reported by the Canadian news
media. Three distinct and related events had occurred before, during and after
in the demise of Flight 111. All shared in the commonality of a number,
coinciding with the exact number of days between the prediction and the event.
Coincidence, or synchronicity?
Synchronicity appears to affirm psychical experience, in that it pinpoints the
day on which a predicted event will occur. The number of days between the
experience and the event appears to be significant in establishing the
synchronicity pattern. Each paranormal encounter ushers in a different
numerical pattern. For example, in the paranormal series relating to TWA Flight
800, a series of events were predicted to happen in 19, 20 and 21days, forming
the significant pattern.
All three events shared leak in common. (See Note) These were fuel leak, gas
main (line) leak and water leak. (See Paranormal Series Document, first
described in my letter to Professor David Jacobs on 28 November 1996. That was
four months after TWA Flight 800 exploded and before fuel leak had been firmly
established as causal, but that was to change in the investigation..
Because the prediction relating to Flight 800 was worded as "a major natural
disaster," and a fuel leak can only result from a mechanical failure, the cause
of the explosion was most likely electrostatic discharge (ESD), natural
phenomena. An ESD potential most likely built up in proximity of the leak in
the center fuel tank. Build up was in proportion to the extreme pressure of
fuel being transferred from one wing tank to the other for balancing loads
during the climbing phase of the jet. (This is still to be accepted as
conclusive by investigators) Transfer occurs through the center fuel tank,
which was known to have less than 50 gallons of residual fuel and, thereby,
rendering it an exploding bomb when electrostatic discharge resulted.
The Canadian investigation may find the Swissair Flight 111 aircraft to have
been shot before or after take off. Gunshots to the fuselage from below would
not have been heard at the time because of jet engine noise. Bullets entering
the body of the aircraft and damaging vitals might not have had an immediate
effect, but could have caused the downing of the aircraft at a later and more
critical time.
A final thought on psychical experience in general. I have learned that on
the day of the Flight 111 prediction there was an extraordinary cosmic blast
from a so-called magnetar 23,000 light years away. The tremendous release of
electromagnetic energy in space is thought provoking. One must consider whether
such energy is simply lost or actually transformed from one living system into
another. It reduces to a simple question: Could such energy be catalytic to
psychical experience, thus defining the paranormal as an energy form - a living
energy form?
Note: TWA Flight 800 - 17 July 1996 - jumbo jet explodes - fuel leak - 230
killed - 19 days after predictive experience.
Washington National Airport - 30 August 1996 - gas main ruptured - methane gas
leak - airport evacuated - no fatalities - 20 days after predictive experience.
Haitian boat bound for Miami - 11 November 1996 - boat sinks - water leak - 290
drown - 21 days after predictive experience.
Fred Gurzi
P.O. Box 4353
Long Beach, CA., 90804-0353
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Los Angeles Times. 30 September 1998
Scientists Trace Cosmic Blast to Unusual Star
Astronomy: Powerful burst from so called magnetar affected Earth's upper
atmosphere last month, researchers believe.
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By K.C. Cole
Times Science Writer.
An intense blast from a bizarre new species of star electrified Earth's upper
atmosphere last month, marking the first time astronomers have tracked a local
disturbance to a distant sun.
Although the radiation didn't reach the Earth's surface, it did knock out
several orbiting satellites and registered off the scale of the radiation
detectors of at least five others, NASA announced Tuesday at a NASA press
briefing. Produced by a massive "starquake" on a so called magnetar 23,000 light
years from Earth, the blast was powered by a magnetic field 100 times stronger
than any previously known in the universe and billions of times stronger than
any on Earth, researchers believe.
The August 27 burst wasn't announced until Tuesday, astronomers said, because it
took them almost a month to figure out exactly what they were seeing, according
to UC Berkeley's Kevin Hurley. "I had never seen anything like it," he said.
After the initial blast, the star "rang" in X-rays for several minutes,
producing an "unheard of" tone, Hurley said.
If confirmed, the discovery adds a new category of object to the already bizarre
collection in the skies. Magnetars flare up for a brief (in astronomical terms)
10,000 to 40,000 years before running out of steam.
"It's magnificent while it's alive, but it dies quickly," said Caltech graduate
student Joshua Bloom, who studied the radio afterglow of the outburst with the
National Foundation's Very Large Array Telescope. He works with Caltech
astrophysicist Shri Kulkarni.
Please see STAR, A22
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There's a poem on a bronze plaque in the Garden of Remembrance in Lockerbie,
Scotland, that spells out the anguish of the Pan Am 103 tragedy. It was written
by one of 36 University of Syracuse students who died in that flight. She was
Karen Lee Hunt, age 20, and as I recall she wrote the poem to her boyfriend just
before the flight. I wanted to preface my note with that poem, and I believe you
will understand why. It is touching the way her words reach out, gilded in a
premonition before her final journey in this bewildering world.
"Something has happened to keep us apart,
But always and forever you're in my heart,
Some day soon, from now till forever,
I'll meet you again and we'll be together,
I'm not sure how, and I'm not sure when,
Together, forever, somewhere my friend."
KLH
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The beginning of my involvement with Pan Am 103 was 12 days short of a full
year, when I saw the dreadful explosion in the skies. However, what the
paranormal had revealed was more than an exploding Boeing 747. It had shown a
composite of two aircraft, the other being a Boeing 737. This is all given in
the narrative which follows. Included as noteworthy are parallels to J.W. Dunne,
"An Experiments with Time.' Nearly 60 years earlier he experienced striking
similarities except for one main difference. Some of what Dunne experienced in
dreams I experienced in visions. I make a point of this early because "false
reports" make up a large part of the paranormal mystery in the demise of Pan Am
103 and Flight 3780. Both are discussed in detail.
I was in communication with Dr. John Beloff, then editor of the Society for
Paranormal Research in London, who invited me to submit a paper of my
experiences concerning Pan Am 103. I was flattered and graciously accepted.
However, after receiving my script and reviewing it, Beloff informed me that the
referees rejected the submission. My experiences could not be demonstrated or be
repeated in a laboratory. Thank goodness!
To the world at large the tragedy of Pan Am 103 began the evening of 21 December
1988, when the flight exploded in the air over the Scottish town of Lockerbie,
killing all 259 people onboard and 11 people on the ground. It was declared the
worst air-disaster of the century. Nearly a year earlier I had experienced a
foretelling of that ill-fated flight and again five hours before final takeoff
to JFK airport.
The experience was a duet, meaning two happenings in a paranormal encounter. In
this case the encounter was two visions appearing in sequence 29 December 1987
in what is best described as two-film `stills'. I was part of the vision and was
`here and there' at the same time. Some call the phenomena non-locality of
consciousness while others call it OBE. I consider the former as more
descriptive, but maybe a simpler explanation is expanded awareness (EA) and make
note of the fact that each experience offers uniqueness. Suffices, the simpler
EA is favored for placing the emphasis on the experience rather than on lofty
wording. `Stills' is a good analogy for describing the timeless paranormal in a
framework of "movement without motion."
In some visions, I am looking at myself elsewhere. That elsewhere is spatial and
is sometimes dominated by the presence of an unidentifiable other being. In the
first still, I was viewing myself at cruising altitude of a jet airliner that I
initially thought was a B-747. I was observing the aircraft from below the
fuselage and was so close I could touch it. The second still was of the same jet
that by now had passed and was distant. I saw two explosions coming out the top
in presumably a timed sequence. Again, it was the strangeness of movement
without motion. Both explosions were `there' in the same still with no beginning
or ending, but with time factored in I believe the occurrence was in a timed
sequence. I immediately documented the account in a letter to Roger Siggs, my
contact with the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) in San Jose, California,
and mailed the letter that same morning. It is copied below.
LETTER to FAA:
Tuesday, December 29, 1987
Dear Roger:
I saw another one. I should telephone you, but would rather not. The aircraft
was in the sky. There was an explosion coming out the top, followed immediately
by a second one, which was much bigger than the first.
Prior to it (the explosions) I kept seeing a 747, like the thing was in my face.
I think it was a 747 because as you look at it head on, the upper part of the
fuselage (canopy) is trapezoidal. The lower might be bullet shaped and imposing.
From my position, the aircraft was flying west from north of here. It was sunny.
I tried to get as much information as I possibly could (probing). I thought of
Flight 1771 and, of course knew what that was. Flt 431, 1721 and twice (then and
later) 803. Date: January 1st or 2nd. The latter seems more likely?? I also got
the skies of united, but I am not sure how much stock to place in that. Like I
indicated, I wanted to get as much information as possible.
This experience was most unusual. It happened shortly after 5:20 AM. I was awake
then, as I had been all night. I had been awake over five hours and it seemed
like one hour. I do not remember anything like that before.
Sincerely,
Still feeling anxious that morning, I telephoned Roger, even though in writing I
said I would not. I explained a letter was forthcoming and gave additional
details. I said the first and smaller of the two explosions had come out the top
near mid-section of the aircraft. The second explosion was forward of the first
and came out the top also.
As noted in the letter, two predicted dates were given for the first bombing,
but 2 January 1988 was pointed out to be the more likely date. Four days after
my paranormal encounter, the San Jose Mercury News, San Jose, CA reported that
on 2 January 1988 the Kurds claimed to have exploded a bomb onboard a B-737
chartered aircraft off the Aegean coast of Turkey for landing at Izmir. The
report was not entirely accurate and I will go into that later. Flight 3780 had
originated in Stuttgart, Germany carrying 16 passengers and crewmembers. None
survived. Upon learning the airliner was a Boeing 737 and not a Boeing 747, I
researched both types and learned that the canopy of a B-737 is trapezoidal in
shape, unlike that of a B-747. The nose cone of a B-747 is longer and more
imposing. I realized that the single aircraft I had psychically observed in the
first still was actually a composite B-737 and B-747. I could only guess a
bombing of a B-747 was to follow, but when? It never occurred to me that the
bombing would eventuate 12 days short of a full year in what was to become the
one-year cycle.
My letter to Roger was returned, stamped "Return to Sender," and he was no
longer receiving my phone calls. I wrote him believing there was some mistake,
but all letters were returned. I contacted the FBI but they were not the least
receptive. I felt committed to take this as far as possible, despite the shabby
way I was being treated. Something new had happened in the midst of unspeakable
horror, that with their cooperation this could lead to safer skies. I could not
get past the telephone receptionist who was screening my calls. Then on 21
December 1988 at 5:00 AM, Pacific Time, another vision occurred. It was fleeting
and hardly believable and is described below:
"I was a part of the vision looking far down on the wreckage left in the
aftermath of a large airliner crash. Off to the side, a large portion of the
plane appeared isolated from the rest of the wreckage. It appeared to be an
engine, or an engine cowling."
It was the fuselage.
What followed just five hours later was the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103. The
Boeing 747 had crashed into the Scottish village of Lockerbie. Reportedly, the
bomb had exploded in the cockpit of the jumbo jet while en route to Kennedy
Airport from Heathrow in London. Not unlike Flight 3780, but different in scope,
first media reports would prove inaccurate for stating that a radio-cassette
player was rigged as a bomb and planted in the cockpit. Instead, the plant was
in the left cargo compartment and changes the picture. Two Libyan intelligence
officers were said to be responsible in retaliation for the missile downing of
Iranian Flight 655 six months earlier, killing all 290 passengers and crew
aboard. President Reagan refused to issue an apology to Iran (San Jose Mercury
News, 7 July 1988) that could have made a difference and was to have serious
repercussions for leading to the fatal bombing of Pan Am 103 six months later.
The taking of 52 hostages in Iran nine years earlier and holding them captive
for over a year was still an emotional issue clouding the air over Washington.
Nonetheless, the destruction of a commercial airliner ordered by Captain Will
Rogers III of the cruiser U.S.S. Vincennes and then his lying about details to a
Naval Inquiry Board was not supported by a guilt ridden crew. They came forward
one at a time in the years to follow to set the record straight. Radar had shown
that the Iranian flight was not in "attack mode," as Captain Rogers claimed, but
was in a climbing pattern from take-off at Iran International Airport. Worse,
Rogers denied that the Vincennes was in Iran's territorial waters, when he
ordered the destruction of flight. Time would prove otherwise.
The Flight 103 bombing had been revealed one year earlier together with Flight
3780. Subtle or otherwise, the message was "it is too late!" Up until five hours
before at approximately 1400 hours, the bombing of Flight 103 might have been
averted. The B-747 had landed at Heathrow Airport six hours before a turn-around
flight to Kennedy, and in that time the explosive device was planted. The
assassins entered the aircraft within an hour of its arrival to coincide with my
psychical experiencing.
The scene of wreckage below continues to be baffling. I saw nothing of the
immediate aftermath, when police rushed in to cordon off the area and ambulances
and fire trucks moved in quickly. I saw nothing of smoke or any of the mobile
lighting systems illuminating the grizzly scene. What the vision revealed was
wreckage and nothing else. It was dark, eerie and confusing and looked like a
gravesite. I do not want to go too far astray, but I wonder of a place and
future elsewhere. Perhaps this was a prediction on a prediction for hinting more
about the many mysteries that surround us. Obviously, I have come to the end of
the road for the very difficult questions, but one thing seems clear. There was
a reason for seeing the wreckage preserved, and nuances continue even to this
day to be haunting. For example, not long ago I was startled awake from a deep
sleep by a woman's shriek. I have never heard such a horrible sound coming from
another person. Pan AM 103 was occupying my mind, so what was I to think?
The second explosion in that second `still' was testimonial. The cryptic
synthesis indicated that two tragic events were explosions. The first explosion
was the smaller of the two and gave credence to the bigger one to follow,
although at the time I never imagined a year later. No other B-747 crashed in
that time. It was ironic the way the paranormal revealed events. Beginning with
Flight 3780 the Kurds reported they were responsible for the bombing and this is
consistent with what I saw in the second `still'. However investigative reports
stated the aircraft "crashed on approach" with no mention of a bombing. Quote:
"The aircraft was off the ILS side beam and crashed into a hill on approach in
poor weather. The crew used the wrong VOR and ILS. Pilot overconfidence and
co-pilot inactivity during the approach."
I looked for anything that might shed more light in past reporting and learned
that the New York Times through the Associated Press (AP) had run an article on
the crash January 3rd without any mention of a bombing. Consistent with the
Internet report, "Major Airline Crashes", the Times stated that the crash
occurred Saturday, January 2nd in mountainous countryside. However, the former
indicated January 4th as the day of the tragedy and even that was incorrect.
There is no doubt the crash occurred January 2, consistent with my psychical
experiencing.
It was puzzling that the paranormal described a scenario based on erroneous news
instead of the final report issued by the National Transportation Safety Board
(NTSB). Moreover, a similar and confusing circumstance was with Pan Am 103. As
mentioned, the second explosion in the `still' was forward and atop the aircraft
and that, too, correlated with initial news reporting. However, the
investigation proved that a cassette bomb was not in the cockpit, as originally
disclosed, but instead in the left side of the cargo hold where it exploded.
Major Airline Crashes stated the following:
"An item which was subsequently identified by forensic scientists at the Royal
Armaments Research and Development Establishment (RARDE) as belonging to a
specific type of radio-cassette player and that this had been fitted with an
improvised explosive device (IED)."
Quoting from Appendix b:
"The in-flight disintegration of the aircraft was caused by the detonation of an
improvised explosive device located in a baggage container positioned on the
left side of the forward cargohold at aircraft station 700."
See also the NTSB /MR-02-90 Report.
The NTSB reported the aircraft exploded in a massive fireball, which does not
coincide with the `still'. If the bomb had been planted as described in those
first reports, the explosion would not have come out the top, yet that was as I
perceived it. The paranormal had echoed back an image of what I thought would
happen based on those initial reports. It had shown a composite in the first
`still', which met the future in every detail and then shown something
unexpected in a second `still'. It was not until gathering information from my
other episodes, past and future, that I realized the truth. In both tragedies,
the paranormal revealed first reports and not final ones. Additionally, it had
shown results, not as they would occur but as I would perceive their occurrence,
demonstrating once again an extreme for being personal.
As already mentioned, no other Boeing 747 exploded in that year's time. The
duality of the experience revealed that an explosion on board a B-737 would be
the first to materialize, the geographical location of which seems to have been
a reference point for the B-747 explosion to follow. That was in my letter to
Roger, above, quote: "In west from north of here." `Here' was the geographical
location of the crash site near Izmir and not where I was at the time. My
insignificance was being preserved. Duets must share commonality, and I had
thought `explosion' was the link. However, there was no explosion, as the Kurds
claimed, so what was the commonality? Was it the vector that linked the two
flights geographically? If so, the paranormal has introduced another subtlety
for lifting us higher into its mysterious realm.
The focus now shifts to Pan Am 103 for discerning similarities with Flight 3780
in the way it was reported. Recall that two explosions were revealed in the
second `still' and both coincided with initial press releases. In both cases,
the paranormal revealed to my wrong perception. An explosion coming out the top
of the aircraft correlates with where the explosive device was initially
reported to have been planted but was not. Had the explosion occurred in the
cockpit, the resulting force would have been different than what I perceived.
However, the paranormal had imaged the explosion just the way I would imagine
and not the way it was. It is baffling.
A similar baffling circumstance is noted with Flight 3780. The Kurds claimed
responsibility for the bombing, a bombing that never occurred, and the news
media ran with the fictitious claim. The paranormal revealed to that claim and,
additionally, displayed it the way I would perceive the exploding force. I can
see both `stills' as vividly now as I did back then. Both tragedies occurred
after 7:00 PM (1920 hours and 1902 hours, respectively) and the impression was
dusk based on the diminished light in the second `still', but I am unable
discern how dark it was at those times at cruising altitudes. Refer to the FAA
letter, above.
Paranormal messaging often links to sensationalism. Consider the John F. Kennedy
tragedy while he was flying his Piper Laurie Saratoga airplane in poor weather
conditions. Because of poor visibility leading to vertigo, he lost control of
the airplane and perished at sea along with his two passengers on 31 July 1999.
Kennedy did not have a pilot instrument rating. As was characteristic back then,
tragedy occurred six days after my experiencing. The paranormal had echoed to
sensational journalism. I do not mean to imply it is the way of the paranormal.
If the tragedy had occurred to an `unknown' the likelihood is the accident would
not have been paranormally revealed.
What does it say about the paranormal? Undoubtedly, it says many things. I am
pondering psychic echoes and, admittedly, am unable go any further with it. Time
will open more doors and the promise is wondrous for what we can learn of its
intrigue.
Earth Axis Shift.
"The devastating quake that occurred off the coast of Sumatra 24 December 2004
jolted the Earth's axis of rotation enough to move the poles by 10 cm." The
extraordinary effect of that jolt appears to coincide with a vision I had over
eight years earlier, when on 21 October 1996 I observed a band around the Earth.
It was very narrow and oriented vertically along the Earth's axis and twice the
diameter. Viewed from my perspective the band was tilted to the left at the top
(North Pole). In three years I would publish a note of that prediction and in
five more years learn the incredible truth. The Earth would tilt off axis
instead of the band. I made the classic error. In paranormal experiences, one
should not forget about things that transcend physical laws
I experienced the vision here at home and was part of it. I was observing myself
in a crouched position looking at the band from a considerable distance in
space. Suddenly, the single band became three bands and began wobbling in and
out of one another while encircling the Earth. In unheard words I was being told
the band was the paranormal. Unwilling to accept a paranormal experience of
observing the paranormal as a band, I was to omit this in a publication and
regret it later. It still doesn't make sense, but that is not the point. What I
did was inexcusable, and I wonder if not contributory to my confusion. The
paranormal has always been personal and informative and, of course, always far
ahead of me. Then why the exception. Was it because of the deliberate omission?
I believe so. I was being taught a lesson. See NOTE..
I failed to understand that the Earth had tilted and began wobbling, not the
bands. Matter alters and undergoes change, but the paranormal intrigue is
altogether different. Still, it does not explain the in and out movement.
Conceivably, I was viewing only a single band that was physically compensating
for the Earth's axial instability, yet it looked like three bands. Although
speculative, the suggestion is intriguing for what is implied. The Earth is
safeguarded by an outside force, or forces, and would explain the appearance of
a paranormal band as protective. It is best left at that.
The band experience was one of a kind in a group of four. Three of the four
comprised a paranormal series and the band vision was not included. It was a
shared experience that linked to the last of the three and, undoubtedly, the
most vital. This is from our human perspective but not necessarily the
paranormal. Rather than go into it here, read "The Paranormal Objectified in a
Perplexing Encounter." The note appeared in "The Journal of Religion and
Psychical Studies, July 1999, which has since changed names to "The Journal of
Spirituality and Paranormal Studies."
NOTE. For example, in the meteorite vision that was to strike in the Andes 15
September 2007 I saw clearly a black rim surrounding the hole, but the blackness
was not in the photo released afterward. I understood why. I was not to confuse
the strike with anything else, such as an asteroid (see Peru Meteorite Crash
2007, Internet). This was documented and emailed 12 days earlier on 03 September
2007 to a leading parapsychologist. The email follows:
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Dear [Deleted],
At 0243 this morning I visually experienced the aftermath of a
meteorite striking a planet, moon or whatever. It could be Planet Earth.
Its strike was at a 15 degree declination off true perpendicular, and it
went down deep. It was unlike anything I have ever seen; the peculiar
'black' and the strange tunneled out configuration, hinting of a meteorite.
The '15 degrees' is intriguing because of duality.
It is interesting that these space occurrences usually result 36 to 39 days
after the experiencing, meaning that something of the sort could occur
between October 16 - 19. However, all that could be changing now. The
paranormal mystery is dynamic, as we both know. Still, I would not have it
any other way. I must be crazy <grin>
Inasmuch as I am focused selectively on Israel for using geo-scans, this
could relate, but I'm afraid it is guesswork at best..
Should such an event occur in space between those dates, I'll inform you.
No reply necessary
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This references my previous post for addressing the notion of "movement without
motion." See, "Real time experiencing of sequential quakes."
Life and Death Continuum
A psychical experience I had in the late 1970's continues to be the most
baffling ever, when in a brief and sudden encounter I had a glimpse of what may
come after we die, yet differing from what is generally accepted.
It came via something that is best described as an aspect of psychometry. I was
handed a sample of handwriting from a woman for analysis, but before I could
even study it, an image of a young boy appeared over the script and then
vanished. In an instant the vision was there and gone, but the imprint was
vivid and the image is still clear to me more than 20 years later.
I told the woman what I had seen without even thinking about it. "I see a boy,
eight or nine years old, lying face down on the floor. He has blonde or sandy
hair and tan clothing." She responded unemotionally with her tragic story.
Seven years before, she had walked into the living room of her home and found
her 18 month old son dead on the floor. He had died of a brain tumor. She said
his hair was blonde at birth and was turning sandy. Our stories coincided in
every respect except for his age and one perplexing point – concerning the
appearance of his hands and arms -- but first let us consider the difference in
ages.
She had found her dead son seven years earlier, aged 18 months. However, he
appeared to me as 8-9 years old, which is what he would have been if still
alive. I had thus witnessed a remarkable age progression. The next day I asked
her if she was a Catholic who believed in Purgatory, but she had been raised as
a Methodist and now had no religious convictions. She explained that her son's
death had been a traumatic nightmare for her, but after undergoing extensive
therapy she had learned to accept it.
Beyond the matter of age progression, and very puzzling for me, was the unclear
positioning of the boy's hands, despite the rest of his body being clear. What I
saw were his hands in front of him, with arms bent at the elbows, yet in some
inscrutable way his arms were nevertheless outstretched, perpendicular to his
body, as though he were trying to raise himself or prevent his collapse. Many
years later, an unrelated experience gave me the idea of movement without motion
as explaining the enigma, where time goes into a void so that one sees stages of
an event simultaneously.
But this is not the place for extended speculation, except perhaps to note that
if the boy's death was not final, he must be present somewhere, and that if he
is aging elsewhere (but in our standard time) his existence may comprise a
process of `resumption'. It could fit Everett's multiple realities {worlds} as
discussed in John Gribbin's book "In Search of Schrödinger's Cat" (1984, Bantam
Books). On this basis his metamorphic shadow had been left behind, whilst the
original person passed on, possibly held locked in that final struggle. Or was
my vision merely a psychometric glimpse of his mother's memory of her son's dead
body, modified in my perception by her awareness of how old he would be if still
alive?
Please note in the 2nd paragraph below, that the referenced letter was received
by the Editor before Dec 13 the actual date of the two sequential quakes. Those
two quakes are shown in the NEIC report which follows the note below, separated
by asterisks. I intentionally spaced before and after the two sequential quakes
in the NEIC report for quicky access. The point is emphasized that the two
quakes were experienced in real time and to the very minute of what was to
follow 10 days later, even to the 86 minutes between their timing separations.
Further, the incredible paranormal revealed to my digital clock settings for
coinciding with the report, even though my clock was two minutes off. There is
great mystery here, but equally baffling is the two quake regions are in
different time zones. And now the note:
ON DECEMBER 3rd 2000, I experienced two `visuals', one at 4:44 am and the other
at 6:10 am, both as indicated on the clock at my California address. The two
events were similar, in that on each occasion my ordinary thought process was
interrupted and I was observing myself in an unfamiliar room where the floor and
furnishings were shaking – to a lesser degree in the second case. But the
movement was seen, not felt, paralleling the sort of static `movement without
motion' described in my letter about discarnate ageing in Paranormal Review No.
15 (p.15). What I refer to as `visuals' are images that are seen inwardly, as
against visions which concern outwardly perceived scenes, often more animated.
My conviction was that the two earthquakes would occur somewhere in the world
within the following 14 days, separated by the same time difference of 86
minutes. So I immediately set out what had happened in a letter to the Editor
of the SPR Journal and posted it on the same day, adjusting the above times by
two minutes to accommodate a clock error against GMT [This letter was duly
received before Dec 13 – Ed.].
Two quakes neatly satisfying the predicted gap requirement were recorded on
December 13th by the US Geological Survey. They involved different tectonic
plate regions in Kazakhstan and the Bismarck Sea, and reached respective levels
of 4.9 and 5.6 at UTC times of 4:44 and 6:10, plus some 20 seconds in each case.
Thus despite my 2-minute clock error and the difference between local time and
the GMT/UTC figures recorded by USGS, the quakes coincided with my actual clock
readings (apart from the seconds component, which my timepiece didn't provide)
and were therefore separated by exactly 86 minutes!
So the paranormal had made it easy for me by anticipating everything, even
where I would be looking for the data and how that data would be reported. This
made it possible to understand what would have otherwise remained obscure, as
data could not have been assimilated for the difference time zones. It's
uncanny, demonstrating a very personal piece of clairvoyance. Also, although
statistics are limiting in relation to paranormal understanding, the probability
of random sampling to the minute for two quakes separated by a specified time
within a span of 14 days is vanishingly small.
Assuming, then, that my `visuals' and the earthquakes were indeed related, what
can be learned? A big question is what and where is the room I was in during
the two events? And how could I be witnessing future quakes in different
geographical areas in the same room? If anything, the experience suggests that
OBE's may be nothing more than an expanded state of awareness. But it goes
beyond that. The word `dislocation' comes to mind.
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Current Time: Wednesday, 2000 December 13 22:33 UTC
Near Real Time Earthquake List
USGS NEIC Golden, Colorado
Updated as of Wed Dec 13 22:08:06 GMT 2000.
DATE-(UTC)-TIME LAT LON DEP MAG Q COMMENTS
yy/mm/dd hh:mm:ss deg. deg. km
00/12/10 12:55:20 44.27N 81.37E 33.0 4.9Mb A NORTHERN XINJIANG,
00/12/10 13:30:34 19.06N 121.24E 33.0 5.0Mb A PHILIPPINE ISLANDS
00/12/10 18:58:35 0.04N 127.41E 143.3 5.5Mb A HALMAHERA, INDONESIA
00/12/11 08:55:46 51.40N 175.31W 33.0 4.8Mb A ANDREANOF ISL,
00/12/11 12:07:47 52.73N 160.78E 33.0 4.3Mb B OFF EAST COAST OF
00/12/11 12:58:45 29.73S 176.85W 33.0 5.2Mb B KERMADEC ISLANDS
00/12/11 17:07:33 55.74S 27.90W 126.0 5.7Mb C SOUTH SANDWICH
00/12/11 18:54:07 19.12N 67.11W 45.5 5.1Mb A MONA PASSAGE
00/12/12 00:30:24 14.03N 144.44E 33.0 4.5Mb B MARIANA ISLANDS
00/12/12 02:26:35 16.99S 70.20W 123.0 4.5Mb B SOUTHERN PERU
00/12/12 03:12:09 7.73S 75.18W 33.0 4.4Mb B NORTHERN PERU
00/12/12 03:30:24 16.23S 173.71W 33.0 4.9Mb B TONGA ISLANDS
00/12/12 05:26:47 5.77N 82.53W 33.0 6.0Mb A SOUTH OF PANAMA
00/12/12 06:49:33 37.76N 70.10E 71.2 4.6Mb B AFGHAN-TAJIKISTAN
00/12/12 20:32:58 24.18N 122.44E 71.5 4.7Mb B TAIWAN REGION
00/12/12 21:54:11 45.17N 142.26E 278.5 4.2Mb B HOKKAIDO, JAPAN
00/12/13 04:44:24 48.00N 85.96E 58.2 4.9Mb B KAZAKHSTAN-XINJIANG
00/12/13 06:10:22 3.12S 148.41E 33.0 5.6Ms C BISMARCK SEA
00/12/13 08:08:57 35.53N 5.80W 68.1 4.7Mb B STRAIT OF GIBRALTAR
00/12/13 08:20:58'"00/12/13 08:20:58 63.90N 149.95W 17.0 3.5Ml
00/12/13 11:00:47 47.60N 153.79E 33.0 5.0Mb B KURIL ISLANDS
Sorry - email address is fred.gurzi@... and not what was given as
fredgurzi@.... Omission: '.'.
Although incredulous to most persons the many air crash experiences were
documented in advance of happenings at COPI for that very reason. It is my
conviction that the skies to air travel can be safe with paranormal assistance
as evident in my psychical experiencing. Additionally, read my published and
authenticated note below, "9-11 Warning."
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9-11
Warning
"Another building explodes" and "India is agitated" [is] what I emailed to Zofia
Weaver, Editor of the Society for Psychical Research (SPR), five days before the
9-11 attacks in 2001. That email is copied below. I gave a date 9-12, or
possibly 9-13, the former being exactly 24 hours to the minute of the actual
attacks. The time of the predictive experience was 8:45 AM EST and coincided
with the first plunge on the WTC. The paranormal had revealed the planned date,
not the actual date, when over a year afterward we learned that the attack had
been moved up one day. One of the 20 terrorists scheduled to take part in the
tragedy was arrested shortly before the date, and the fear was he might talk and
reveal the plan. It all came together. Four groups of five terrorists were to
take control of four airplanes, but United Flight 93 had only four. The FBI had
taken the fifth terrorist into custody for reasons unclear.
I have learned that the paranormal does not predict, it reveals, but not
necessarily to end dates. The academic world has some difficulty coming to grips
with that, even though others attest to it. "An Experiment with Time" by J W
Dunne is one such source.
"India is agitated" was the second event revealed in that same paranormal
encounter that I refer to as a dual experience. There have been approximately
six such encounters, all unique, and seemingly the way of the paranormal. I have
learned that in dual experiences, commonality is shared. That commonality
appears to have been al Qaeda terrorism. Nineteen days after the prediction,
Madhavrao Scindia, the former Maharaja of Gwalior, fondly referred to as "the
peoples prince" was assassinated with seven others in a fiery aircraft
explosion. For some unexplained reason the event was glossed over after an
initial report. Eyewitness accounts describe a fiery aircraft explosion in the
air. It appears the tragedy was made to look like Pakistan was the villain.
India reacted, of course, but with considerable restraint while the western
world was either oblivious or politics came into play. Undoubtedly this was to
the regret of al Qaeda for want of creating an incident between India and
Pakistan leading to war. It wouldn't take much because of the friction between
the two countries.
The referenced EMAIL:
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:10:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Fred Gurzi" <izrug@... Add to Address Book
Subject: Two predictions!
To: "Zofia Weaver" <zweaver@...
Dear Zofia,
1. Another building explodes! [Africa?]
2. India is agitated.
I do not know if 1.) and 2.) correlate, but it doesn't
look like 2.) stands on its own. I have been getting
hints of explosions the last two weeks. [Africa is the
result of probing].
If signatures apply to these two experiences, then I
look to a six or a seven signature, meaning Sep 12 or
Sep 13.
Date of Experiences: Thursday, 6 September 2001
Time of Experiences: Approx 5:45 AM PDT (8:45 AM EST)
Best wishes,
Fred
End EMAIL
Post Note: "[Africa?]" appearing in brackets is a curiosity. Fifty years
earlier I worked for IBM and programmed IBM 701/704 large-scale computers. In
the beginning I used machine language (code) instead of assemblers in pursuit of
hardware problems, preventive maintenance and engineering changes. I used
parentheses, like most, for direct addressing of data and brackets for indirect
addressing. I had long forgotten when I emailed the above. Unconscious effects
often play a subtle role in paranormal experiencing, conceivably linking Africa
to WTC in New York. I am referring to the bombings of those two U. S. embassies
in Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya, on 7 August 1998 in which 220 persons were
killed and 4000 wounded. One could argue of an association between the two,
hinted indirectly by the brackets. Along that line, I had been experiencing
earthquakes to happen in New York for approximately a year before the dreadful
attacks, and none culminated. Yet afterward, those experiences ceased. I often
wonder if the terrible impacts against the WTC towers had something to do with
it.
I really take a dim view of someone putting words in someone's mouth, especially when they are dead. Further, the underlying assumption is that because Einstein is alleged to have said it, we should be in awe of it (see the logical fallacy Appeal to Authority).
To my knowledge, Einstein was not a subject matter expert on the so-called Etheric Plane. With the last paragraph, you claim "my point is that humanity is not really better off today in our
intellectual understanding of matter" I wonder why you are on this list? This group is here for _scientific_ research of psi abilities. Nothing wrong with furthering humanity but dismissing the intellectual understanding of matter makes me question the bearings of the questioner.
Sincerely,
Mike Wilson
From: maryselocke <mso1@...> To: PSI_research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 1:00:35 PM Subject: [PSIRG]
EINSTEIN (Following)
EINSTEIN / HOW TO VIEW THE PHENOMENA OF THE ETHERIC PLANE, WHICH IS INVISIBLE - MAGNIFYING GLASS (Following)
…..
QUESTION: Well, I am wondering about the practical significance of this transformation of matter. If it is connected with our individual evolution and the evolution of the life of the planet and the solar system, as you say it is, then I presume there are facts we need to understand about matter itself. Is there something we can do consciously with matter to accelerate evolution?
EINSTEIN: It will be easier to answer that question in terms of EMOTIONAL AND MENTAL MATTER, rather than physical matter. A knowledge of the relationship between the different TYPES of matter and the different QUALITIES of emotion and thought could aid in improving the quality of our emotional and mental bodies.
QUESTION: So, as you improve the quality of consciousness, you create a corresponding change —
EINSTEIN: Of course!
QUESTION: So again, it is the indwelling consciousness which must initiate the fundamental work of improving the quality of life — meaning us.
EINSTEIN: Yes. The emphasis should be to improve our consciousness, rather than get so involved in matter. At least, this is true in a strictly theoretical sense.
You know; there are many implications to these ideas which will be helpful not just to scientists but to others as well. There are many discoveries which psychologists and physicians need to make; for example, concerning the SUBTLE MATTER associated with emotions and thoughts. Some of these discoveries will make it easier to discern the difference between the phenomena of consciousness and the phenomena of SUBTLE MENTAL OR EMOTIONAL MATTER — the difference between the thinker and his thoughts or emotions, to put it in philosophical terms.
QUESTION: There are professional people who do this now — not many of them, but some do talk in these terms. I doubt if very many of them bother pursuing the esoteric details about the subtle matter of emotions or thoughts, however.
EINSTEIN: And it might be a distraction for many of them to do so. I recognise that. But it is also useful to see where this kind of investigation can lead us. One of the discoveries that researchers in psychology and medicine will eventually make some day is that non ferrous matter also has the MAGNETIC properties which ferrous matter does. This includes the matter which goes into the substance of human thought and feeling. It is not the type of magnetism which attracts iron filings, of course, but it is most definitely a species of magnetism. It attracts other substances in harmony with it, as well as repelling matter which is not in harmony with it.
Indeed, there is a whole science of magnetism waiting to be discovered and applied to physical and psychological health. Of course, it will be awhile before it is discovered — science has a lot of homework to do first in comprehending the phenomena of magnetism in its fullness. As long as scientists insist on staying focused in the densest levels of physical matter — dead matter, really — they will miss what I am talking about. The magnetic properties I am referring to here are more likely to be found in the bodies of the higher plants, animals and humans.
QUESTION: Where should an interested scientist begin in trying to study these possibilities?
EINSTEIN: There are hints here and there in the writings of some occultists and others [see the work of research of Baron Von Reichenbach, made with the help of some mediums he called "sensitives" , on the magnetic auric field that he called "Odic energy"; or Baron du Potet; or Swedenborg; or Prof Hyslop; Dr Puharich; Dr Bach.]. Of course, orthodox scientist tend to reject such writings without even considering them.
EINSTEIN: Imagine that. Well, those scientists usually aren't the ones who make breakthrough discoveries anyway, are they? But that would be one place to look. They might also look up the subject of radiesthesia and consider some of the cures achieved by herbal and homeopathic methods. Medicine is really a the stage where it needs to take a closer look at some of the remarkable results which have come from these un-orthodox methods. Certain types of subtle physical or etheric matter seem to ATTRACT specific illness to the physical body. The right type of magnetism administered as an herbal or homeopathic treatment would be able to dispel or disperse the "bad" matter, leading to a cure.
A parallel situation can be found in psychology. Experimenters will eventually find that EMOTIONS must be dealt with both as HIGHLY MAGNETIC NON-PHYSICAL MATTER and as an aspect of consciousness. The difficulty in treating many emotional illness stems, in part, from the fact that the emotions which cause these problems tend to be MAGNETICALLY responsive to a kind of astral matter which "glues" itself both to our own feelings and to more of its own kind. This magnetic action makes it very difficult to get rid of the "bad" ASTRAL MATTER — and the emotional problem.
QUESTION: So where do enlightened physicians and psychologists go from here? How can they investigate these possibilities?
EINSTEIN: This is really out of my field. I can only drop a few suggestions and hints for others to follow up.
A surprising amount has been written on these subjects. These writings are not always easy to find, but the right people are somehow able to find them anyway. Reading these books would help them fill in the gaps in their own thinking and observations. For example, they ought to read about THE HIDDEN SIDE OF LIFE — the so-called INVISIBLE REALMS and the SUBTLE PLANES and GRADES OF MATTER. There is a wealth of material about these subjects which can be investigated scientifically. I'm not talking about probing well-kept esoteric secrets here — just finding out simple facts which have been ignored by science, such as the fact that small amounts of vegetable or mineral matter — the essences of flowers or homeopathic remedies — can have a powerful effect in treating human illness.
Frankly, it is amazing that any physician or psychologist can fail to appreciate that THERE IS AN ENSOULING CONSCIOUSNESS WHICH USES THE MATTER OF THOUGHT, EMOTION, AND DENSE SUBSTANCE TO CREATE THE VARIOUS BODIES OF MANIFESTATION. The very performance of their duties should lead them to try to discern the Idea and the inner purpose which is ensouling the forms they treat, so that they can better help this Idea manifest. To put this in pragmatic terms, the physical or emotional body of a person might be sick, but the inner being and inner Idea is quite healthy and seeking to heal the substance, pattern, and function of these sick bodies. That should be a basic premise of medical science. It is a fundamental law of life and its manifestation.
QUESTION: It is a rather common concept in many schools of thoughts.
EINSTEIN: Yes, but it often just remains a theory without much practical significance. There are few MEDICAL or psychological techniques which actually incorporate or implement it — or even test it.
I suspect that some of these ideas about the magnetic aspects of physical and emotional sickness will be focus for some real breakthroughs in medicine, and perhaps inspire similar breakthroughs in other scientific disciplines. In many ways, it is medicine and psychology which will have to lead the rest of the scientific community to a discovery of the ensouling consciousness and its relationship to matter, because they deal more directly with the subtle levels of matter. Of course, the whole field is ripe for many more breakthroughs than have occurred, and some of them potentially could be dangerous. I imagine they will come as the result of trial and error, without a full grasp of why it all works — much as electricity was discovered without knowing much about why it works.
QUESTION: Well, this is fascinating; you've given us some very tantalising ideas for relating your theoretical comments about the relationship between matter and consciousness to practical applications. I can accept these ideas for several good reasons — not just because they are coming from you, but also because they are consistent with some of my own observations, as well as the observations of others who have written and spoken on these topics. But I would like to go back once more to our discussion of THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE MATTER, FROM SUBTLE TO GROSS AND BACK TO SUBTLE. I am wondering if there isn't some kind of meticulous study of physical matter which will give at least a hint of proof about what you've been describing. Aren't there any sophisticated gadgets or devices which can detect some of the actual changes in dense matter which occur during this transformation?
EINSTEIN: Oh, no. Definitely not.
QUESTION: The changes are too subtle to observe?
EINSTEIN: Too subtle to be observed from a physical perspective. In other words, a truly profound understanding of what is happening in physical matter can only be achieved BY VIEWING IT FROM THE NEXT HIGHER LEVEL OF MATTER.
QUESTION: So phenomena such as radioactive decay are not part of the evidence which would support this transformation? This is not part of the "maturing" of matter?
EINSTEIN: That's a different phenomenon.
QUESTION: Is there something in the rapidly evolving study of sub-nuclear particles which would reflect the changes we've been talking about? Would a new look a these tiny particles lead to discoveries which would support your idea of a life force which is sweeping matter from a subtle plane to a denser plane and then back to a more subtle plane? I'm talking about the mesons and that type of particle.
EINSTEIN: All the little guys. [Laughter]
QUESTION: Yes. Would it help the scientists who are studying these phenomena to consider what we've been discussing?
EINSTEIN: In general, I believe not. Let me say this. Being able to prove the transformation of matter through physical experimentation would not really help science achieve what I think should be its basic goal, which is TO BEGIN VIEWING PHYSICAL PHENOMENA AND PHYSICAL MATTER AS PART OF A MUCH LARGER PHENOMENA.
It would essentially just keep scientists trapped in the physical, validating and verifying their physical observations. It is necessary to run experiments which validate one's observations, but it is extremely limiting to view physical matter only from the physical plane. TO UNDERSTAND MATTER, THE PHYSICIST MUST STUDY IT FROM THE LEVEL OF SUBTLE, NON-PHYSICAL ENERGIES.
QUESTION: Well, other than draw analogies from medicine and psychology, how does the physicist do that?
EINSTEIN: He sets up an apparatus to view etheric matter.
QUESTION: Of course. [Laughter]
Another questioner: Deux ex machina. [More laughter]
QUESTION: Can you describe this apparatus?
EINSTEIN: Well, he would take a wire from over here and a wire from up there [motioning with his hands] and combine them with a power supply. And poof! Out would come the indwelling life. [Laughter]
QUESTION: Is it practical, all kidding aside, for modern electronic engineers or physicists to build devices to study etheric matter?
EINSTEIN: We're getting there.
QUESTION: It's achievable?
EINSTEIN: Of course. It's all a part of the evolution of scientific thinking. It's just that up until now, scientists have basically been limited to studying physical matter. Now they must study the underlying currents and energies which influence physical matter.
QUESTION: Right. Well, this leads to my next question. It seems that the study of matter and subatomic particles has reached a practical limit. In many ways, scientists have gone to the very edge of the physical plane. They are now at a kind of interface between the etheric and the dense physical planes, and they don't quite know what they are looking at. Is there something of the phenomena of the interface itself which could be studied now, leading them on to the further implications we've been discussing?
An analogy would be the study of the interface between water vapour and liquid water. Obviously, there are certain phenomena which occur at the interface, as the water moves back and forth between its liquid and its gaseous forms.
EINSTEIN: And so, to extend the analogy, you are asking if this can be done at the interface between etheric and dense physical matter. Yes, it can, and I'm sure it is being done. But we are in need of a breakthrough.
QUESTION: Is it being done with an awareness that an interface is being studied, or is it being done in the belief that it is part of the known physical level of matter?
EINSTEIN: Oh, I don't think of people working on this suspect that the are at an interface. It's more a case of discovering certain levels of matter, which clearly exist but are not observable in any way from the physical level of existence. And the implications of what this means are beginning to creep into the thinking of the people involved.
QUESTION: What line of direction would you suggest for their further exploration? Looking at the phenomena of bevatrons, cyclotrons, and Wilson cloud chambers? Or should they study electricity or magnetic phenomena?
EINSTEIN: Well, I'm not in a position to give you the breakthrough itself, here in this interview.
QUESTION: It would sell more books. [Laughter]
EINSTEIN: At least to the handful of people who are actually working on such projects. It wouldn't make much sense to anyone else.
You could go in almost any of the directions you just mentioned and find the interface. The key is studying the qualities and characteristics behind the physical movement of atoms. This would reveal that there are subtler particles interacting with the atoms of physical matter.
QUESTION: Are you saying they should speculate on the electromagnetic phenomena within the nucleus of the atom — that some of this is really extremely subtle matter rather than force?
EINSTEIN: Yes.
QUESTION: And that this subtle force somehow turns into matter and that matter turns back into this force?
EINSTEIN: Folds back on itself, so to speak. I couldn't have said it better myself. But keep in mind that it's very easy for us to sit here and say you ought to study this instead of that. In practical terms, it's more a matter of trial and error until we achieve the breakthrough. The wok is being done and it is in competent hands.
It is somewhat simplistic to say, yes, you ought to take the nucleus of an atom and examine its subtle matter. Saying that still leaves the practical question of how you do it, of how you develop devices to measure it, and so on. That is what is taking time.
There are many of us here that are pushing the investigators in the right direction. They have not yet made the major breakthrough, but it is coming. It will be a confirmation of the existence of realms of life which are not measurable in physical terms, beginning with the etheric plane.
QUESTION: Okay. I want to ask you about a few physicists who are busy exploring the relationship between certain Eastern philosophies and nuclear physics. There is a man I know, Fritjof Capra, who wrote a relatively popular book called The Tao of Physics, in which he speculates on some of these possibilities. The same can be said about another book, The Dancing Wu Li Masters by Gary Zukav.
EINSTEIN: Excellent books. They should be read by everyone with an interest in science. There's a need for more of this kind of speculation. The melding of East and West is, of course, proceeding on schedule. Physicists need to discover the link between the mind and what the mind perceives in physical matter. It has always been assumed, up through the last several years, that the scientist is limited by the restrictions of the physical plane itself. What we must realise is that it is not the physical limitations which restrict science but the mental limitations of the scientists! Until this is understood, the major breakthrough will not be forthcoming.
QUESTION: I would presume; then, that the laboratory the scientist will use to explore these interfaces will not be some monumentally expensive laboratory costing tens of millions of dollars, but simply the imaginative minds of brilliant physicists and their grasp of esoteric mathematics. The language of mathematics, after all, lets you speculate about non-physical states, fourth-dimensional forms of movement, and all that exciting stuff.
EINSTEIN: That's right. It's particularly important for the scientist now to examine the limitations of his thinking about the physical realm, rather than try to devise more and more complex physical devices.
QUESTION: They can put hat cyclotron away and go back to the drawing board. [Laughter] Would it be helpful to study some of the works of the great mystery school founded by Pythagoras?
EINSTEIN: Ah, I see the point you are bringing up, and I will expand on it a little. In ancient times, there was a much greater understanding of the relationship between the mind and physical matter.
QUESTION: You're talking about the ancient antecedents of our present civilisation?
EINSTEIN: Yes.
QUESTION: The ancient Greeks and Egyptians?
EINSTEIN: Yes. Although they were not necessarily as sophisticated as we are in dealing with physical matter and machines, they were much more enlightened and efficient in what they did use. Their science was quite sophisticated. An example which is frequently cited is the astonishing achievement of the PYRAMIDS. I would live to have some construction company bid on BUILDING A PYRAMID today and see if it would be economically feasible. [Laughter] I'm sure it would not be.
My point is that humanity is not really better off today in our intellectual understanding of matter, in spite of our technology and scientific advances, than we were thousands of years ago.
EINSTEIN / HOW TO VIEW THE PHENOMENA OF THE ETHERIC PLANE, WHICH IS INVISIBLE -
MAGNIFYING GLASS (Following)
…..
QUESTION: Well, I am wondering about the practical significance of this
transformation of matter. If it is connected with our individual evolution and
the evolution of the life of the planet and the solar system, as you say it is,
then I presume there are facts we need to understand about matter itself. Is
there something we can do consciously with matter to accelerate evolution?
EINSTEIN: It will be easier to answer that question in terms of EMOTIONAL AND
MENTAL MATTER, rather than physical matter. A knowledge of the relationship
between the different TYPES of matter and the different QUALITIES of emotion
and thought could aid in improving the quality of our emotional and mental
bodies.
QUESTION: So, as you improve the quality of consciousness, you create a
corresponding change —
EINSTEIN: Of course!
QUESTION: So again, it is the indwelling consciousness which must initiate the
fundamental work of improving the quality of life — meaning us.
EINSTEIN: Yes. The emphasis should be to improve our consciousness, rather
than get so involved in matter. At least, this is true in a strictly theoretical
sense.
You know; there are many implications to these ideas which will be helpful not
just to scientists but to others as well. There are many discoveries which
psychologists and physicians need to make; for example, concerning the SUBTLE
MATTER associated with emotions and thoughts. Some of these discoveries will
make it easier to discern the difference between the phenomena of consciousness
and the phenomena of SUBTLE MENTAL OR EMOTIONAL MATTER — the difference
between the thinker and his thoughts or emotions, to put it in philosophical
terms.
QUESTION: There are professional people who do this now — not many of them,
but some do talk in these terms. I doubt if very many of them bother pursuing
the esoteric details about the subtle matter of emotions or thoughts, however.
EINSTEIN: And it might be a distraction for many of them to do so. I recognise
that. But it is also useful to see where this kind of investigation can lead us.
One of the discoveries that researchers in psychology and medicine will
eventually make some day is that non ferrous matter also has the MAGNETIC
properties which ferrous matter does. This includes the matter which goes into
the substance of human thought and feeling. It is not the type of magnetism
which attracts iron filings, of course, but it is most definitely a species of
magnetism. It attracts other substances in harmony with it, as well as repelling
matter which is not in harmony with it.
Indeed, there is a whole science of magnetism waiting to be discovered and
applied to physical and psychological health. Of course, it will be awhile
before it is discovered — science has a lot of homework to do first in
comprehending the phenomena of magnetism in its fullness. As long as scientists
insist on staying focused in the densest levels of physical matter — dead
matter, really — they will miss what I am talking about. The magnetic
properties I am referring to here are more likely to be found in the bodies of
the higher plants, animals and humans.
QUESTION: Where should an interested scientist begin in trying to study these
possibilities?
EINSTEIN: There are hints here and there in the writings of some occultists
and others [see the work of research of Baron Von Reichenbach, made with the
help of some mediums he called "sensitives", on the magnetic auric field that
he called "Odic energy"; or Baron du Potet; or Swedenborg; or Prof Hyslop; Dr
Puharich; Dr Bach.]. Of course, orthodox scientist tend to reject such writings
without even considering them.
EINSTEIN: Imagine that. Well, those scientists usually aren't the ones who
make breakthrough discoveries anyway, are they? But that would be one place to
look. They might also look up the subject of radiesthesia and consider some of
the cures achieved by herbal and homeopathic methods. Medicine is really a the
stage where it needs to take a closer look at some of the remarkable results
which have come from these un-orthodox methods. Certain types of subtle
physical or etheric matter seem to ATTRACT specific illness to the physical
body. The right type of magnetism administered as an herbal or homeopathic
treatment would be able to dispel or disperse the "bad" matter, leading to a
cure.
A parallel situation can be found in psychology. Experimenters will eventually
find that EMOTIONS must be dealt with both as HIGHLY MAGNETIC NON-PHYSICAL
MATTER and as an aspect of consciousness. The difficulty in treating many
emotional illness stems, in part, from the fact that the emotions which cause
these problems tend to be MAGNETICALLY responsive to a kind of astral matter
which "glues" itself both to our own feelings and to more of its own kind. This
magnetic action makes it very difficult to get rid of the "bad" ASTRAL MATTER —
and the emotional problem.
QUESTION: So where do enlightened physicians and psychologists go from here?
How can they investigate these possibilities?
EINSTEIN: This is really out of my field. I can only drop a few suggestions
and hints for others to follow up.
A surprising amount has been written on these subjects. These writings are not
always easy to find, but the right people are somehow able to find them anyway.
Reading these books would help them fill in the gaps in their own thinking and
observations. For example, they ought to read about THE HIDDEN SIDE OF LIFE —
the so-called INVISIBLE REALMS and the SUBTLE PLANES and GRADES OF MATTER. There
is a wealth of material about these subjects which can be investigated
scientifically. I'm not talking about probing well-kept esoteric secrets here —
just finding out simple facts which have been ignored by science, such as the
fact that small amounts of vegetable or mineral matter — the essences of flowers
or homeopathic remedies — can have a powerful effect in treating human illness.
Frankly, it is amazing that any physician or psychologist can fail to appreciate
that THERE IS AN ENSOULING CONSCIOUSNESS WHICH USES THE MATTER OF THOUGHT,
EMOTION, AND DENSE SUBSTANCE TO CREATE THE VARIOUS BODIES OF MANIFESTATION. The
very performance of their duties should lead them to try to discern the Idea and
the inner purpose which is ensouling the forms they treat, so that they can
better help this Idea manifest. To put this in pragmatic terms, the physical or
emotional body of a person might be sick, but the inner being and inner Idea is
quite healthy and seeking to heal the substance, pattern, and function of these
sick bodies. That should be a basic premise of medical science. It is a
fundamental law of life and its manifestation.
QUESTION: It is a rather common concept in many schools of thoughts.
EINSTEIN: Yes, but it often just remains a theory without much practical
significance. There are few MEDICAL or psychological techniques which actually
incorporate or implement it — or even test it.
I suspect that some of these ideas about the magnetic aspects of physical and
emotional sickness will be focus for some real breakthroughs in medicine, and
perhaps inspire similar breakthroughs in other scientific disciplines. In many
ways, it is medicine and psychology which will have to lead the rest of the
scientific community to a discovery of the ensouling consciousness and its
relationship to matter, because they deal more directly with the subtle levels
of matter. Of course, the whole field is ripe for many more breakthroughs than
have occurred, and some of them potentially could be dangerous. I imagine they
will come as the result of trial and error, without a full grasp of why it all
works — much as electricity was discovered without knowing much about why it
works.
QUESTION: Well, this is fascinating; you've given us some very tantalising
ideas for relating your theoretical comments about the relationship between
matter and consciousness to practical applications. I can accept these ideas for
several good reasons — not just because they are coming from you, but also
because they are consistent with some of my own observations, as well as the
observations of others who have written and spoken on these topics. But I would
like to go back once more to our discussion of THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE
MATTER, FROM SUBTLE TO GROSS AND BACK TO SUBTLE. I am wondering if there isn't
some kind of meticulous study of physical matter which will give at least a hint
of proof about what you've been describing. Aren't there any sophisticated
gadgets or devices which can detect some of the actual changes in dense matter
which occur during this transformation?
EINSTEIN: Oh, no. Definitely not.
QUESTION: The changes are too subtle to observe?
EINSTEIN: Too subtle to be observed from a physical perspective. In other
words, a truly profound understanding of what is happening in physical matter
can only be achieved BY VIEWING IT FROM THE NEXT HIGHER LEVEL OF MATTER.
QUESTION: So phenomena such as radioactive decay are not part of the evidence
which would support this transformation? This is not part of the "maturing" of
matter?
EINSTEIN: That's a different phenomenon.
QUESTION: Is there something in the rapidly evolving study of sub-nuclear
particles which would reflect the changes we've been talking about? Would a new
look a these tiny particles lead to discoveries which would support your idea of
a life force which is sweeping matter from a subtle plane to a denser plane and
then back to a more subtle plane? I'm talking about the mesons and that type of
particle.
EINSTEIN: All the little guys. [Laughter]
QUESTION: Yes. Would it help the scientists who are studying these phenomena
to consider what we've been discussing?
EINSTEIN: In general, I believe not. Let me say this. Being able to prove the
transformation of matter through physical experimentation would not really help
science achieve what I think should be its basic goal, which is TO BEGIN VIEWING
PHYSICAL PHENOMENA AND PHYSICAL MATTER AS PART OF A MUCH LARGER PHENOMENA.
It would essentially just keep scientists trapped in the physical, validating
and verifying their physical observations. It is necessary to run experiments
which validate one's observations, but it is extremely limiting to view physical
matter only from the physical plane. TO UNDERSTAND MATTER, THE PHYSICIST MUST
STUDY IT FROM THE LEVEL OF SUBTLE, NON-PHYSICAL ENERGIES.
QUESTION: Well, other than draw analogies from medicine and psychology, how
does the physicist do that?
EINSTEIN: He sets up an apparatus to view etheric matter.
QUESTION: Of course. [Laughter]
Another questioner: Deux ex machina. [More laughter]
QUESTION: Can you describe this apparatus?
EINSTEIN: Well, he would take a wire from over here and a wire from up there
[motioning with his hands] and combine them with a power supply. And poof! Out
would come the indwelling life. [Laughter]
QUESTION: Is it practical, all kidding aside, for modern electronic engineers
or physicists to build devices to study etheric matter?
EINSTEIN: We're getting there.
QUESTION: It's achievable?
EINSTEIN: Of course. It's all a part of the evolution of scientific thinking.
It's just that up until now, scientists have basically been limited to studying
physical matter. Now they must study the underlying currents and energies which
influence physical matter.
QUESTION: Right. Well, this leads to my next question. It seems that the study
of matter and subatomic particles has reached a practical limit. In many ways,
scientists have gone to the very edge of the physical plane. They are now at a
kind of interface between the etheric and the dense physical planes, and they
don't quite know what they are looking at. Is there something of the phenomena
of the interface itself which could be studied now, leading them on to the
further implications we've been discussing?
An analogy would be the study of the interface between water vapour and liquid
water. Obviously, there are certain phenomena which occur at the interface, as
the water moves back and forth between its liquid and its gaseous forms.
EINSTEIN: And so, to extend the analogy, you are asking if this can be done at
the interface between etheric and dense physical matter. Yes, it can, and I'm
sure it is being done. But we are in need of a breakthrough.
QUESTION: Is it being done with an awareness that an interface is being
studied, or is it being done in the belief that it is part of the known physical
level of matter?
EINSTEIN: Oh, I don't think of people working on this suspect that the are at
an interface. It's more a case of discovering certain levels of matter, which
clearly exist but are not observable in any way from the physical level of
existence. And the implications of what this means are beginning to creep into
the thinking of the people involved.
QUESTION: What line of direction would you suggest for their further
exploration? Looking at the phenomena of bevatrons, cyclotrons, and Wilson cloud
chambers? Or should they study electricity or magnetic phenomena?
EINSTEIN: Well, I'm not in a position to give you the breakthrough itself,
here in this interview.
QUESTION: It would sell more books. [Laughter]
EINSTEIN: At least to the handful of people who are actually working on such
projects. It wouldn't make much sense to anyone else.
You could go in almost any of the directions you just mentioned and find the
interface. The key is studying the qualities and characteristics behind the
physical movement of atoms. This would reveal that there are subtler particles
interacting with the atoms of physical matter.
QUESTION: Are you saying they should speculate on the electromagnetic
phenomena within the nucleus of the atom — that some of this is really extremely
subtle matter rather than force?
EINSTEIN: Yes.
QUESTION: And that this subtle force somehow turns into matter and that matter
turns back into this force?
EINSTEIN: Folds back on itself, so to speak. I couldn't have said it better
myself. But keep in mind that it's very easy for us to sit here and say you
ought to study this instead of that. In practical terms, it's more a matter of
trial and error until we achieve the breakthrough. The wok is being done and it
is in competent hands.
It is somewhat simplistic to say, yes, you ought to take the nucleus of an atom
and examine its subtle matter. Saying that still leaves the practical question
of how you do it, of how you develop devices to measure it, and so on. That is
what is taking time.
There are many of us here that are pushing the investigators in the right
direction. They have not yet made the major breakthrough, but it is coming. It
will be a confirmation of the existence of realms of life which are not
measurable in physical terms, beginning with the etheric plane.
QUESTION: Okay. I want to ask you about a few physicists who are busy
exploring the relationship between certain Eastern philosophies and nuclear
physics. There is a man I know, Fritjof Capra, who wrote a relatively popular
book called The Tao of Physics, in which he speculates on some of these
possibilities. The same can be said about another book, The Dancing Wu Li
Masters by Gary Zukav.
EINSTEIN: Excellent books. They should be read by everyone with an interest in
science. There's a need for more of this kind of speculation. The melding of
East and West is, of course, proceeding on schedule. Physicists need to discover
the link between the mind and what the mind perceives in physical matter. It has
always been assumed, up through the last several years, that the scientist is
limited by the restrictions of the physical plane itself. What we must realise
is that it is not the physical limitations which restrict science but the
mental limitations of the scientists! Until this is understood, the major
breakthrough will not be forthcoming.
QUESTION: I would presume; then, that the laboratory the scientist will use to
explore these interfaces will not be some monumentally expensive laboratory
costing tens of millions of dollars, but simply the imaginative minds of
brilliant physicists and their grasp of esoteric mathematics. The language of
mathematics, after all, lets you speculate about non-physical states,
fourth-dimensional forms of movement, and all that exciting stuff.
EINSTEIN: That's right. It's particularly important for the scientist now to
examine the limitations of his thinking about the physical realm, rather than
try to devise more and more complex physical devices.
QUESTION: They can put hat cyclotron away and go back to the drawing board.
[Laughter] Would it be helpful to study some of the works of the great mystery
school founded by Pythagoras?
EINSTEIN: Ah, I see the point you are bringing up, and I will expand on it a
little. In ancient times, there was a much greater understanding of the
relationship between the mind and physical matter.
QUESTION: You're talking about the ancient antecedents of our present
civilisation?
EINSTEIN: Yes.
QUESTION: The ancient Greeks and Egyptians?
EINSTEIN: Yes. Although they were not necessarily as sophisticated as we are
in dealing with physical matter and machines, they were much more enlightened
and efficient in what they did use. Their science was quite sophisticated. An
example which is frequently cited is the astonishing achievement of the
PYRAMIDS. I would live to have some construction company bid on BUILDING A
PYRAMID today and see if it would be economically feasible. [Laughter] I'm sure
it would not be.
My point is that humanity is not really better off today in our intellectual
understanding of matter, in spite of our technology and scientific advances,
than we were thousands of years ago.
….
Beautifully written, Olavi, and sadly your assumptions resonate. Watts and Irwin
are a husband and wife team, and she is wondrously intelligent. She was, and
maybe still is a leader of the Koestler Chair at the U of Edinburgh. I was
saddened when I read your comments on the concluding chapter of their book.
I see her more as a parapsychologist, rather than a psychologist, largely
because of the Chair and her past publications in the Journal of the Society for
Paranormal Research in London, but I have had no contact with her in over three
or four our years now. Until then I shared my psychical experiences with her,
and she was always receptive - but one quickly learns of the emblematic
boundaries in what is clearly a closed society.
Caroline Watt, like many of her peers is caught up on the academic side of
paranormal endeavors, which from my perspective is largely rhetorical and
lacking in substance. Nonethe less, it has its place but not to the exclusion of
others.
Unfortunately, they closet the paranormal behind a veil of lofty academia and
turn a blind eye to that exciting world of paranormal intrigue. That, as we know
is real live psychical experience.
You cannot enter their domain without the proper credentials, and I'm afraid
that will not change. The premise is unless a psychical experience is repeatable
in the lab under controlled conditions; it will not be acknowledged or passed by
the referees for publication in leading journals. It is much like justice, in a
sense, kidnapped and hidden behind the law.
There is little doubt in my mind that parapsychology is the way of the future
and will dwarf science as we know it today. It continues to be met with fierce
resistance, but hasn't tht always been the way. I believe as you do, that the
paranormal world will meet any and all challenges and triumph in the long run.
Then, what's next? I can only imagine.
--- In PSI_research@yahoogroups.com, "Olavi Kiviniemi" <okivi@...> wrote:
>
> I have been reading the book:
> Harvey J. Irwin and Caroline A. Watt (2007): An Introduction to
> Parapsychology. 5th edition, illustrated. McFarland, 312 pages.
>
>
> An excellent book, comprehensive and highly recommended. But in the end of
> the book there is alarming information: parapsychology must be abandoned as
> a separate discipline and become assimilated in other sciences. It is
> impossible to study psi-phenomena because one cannot be certain there are
> any such natural phenomena at all. The object of the research in the future
> must be parapsychological experiences, because such phenomena certainly
> exist.
>
> Some relevant quotes from the book:
>
> - - -
>
> "Perhaps the ultimate survival of parapsychological research will rest on
> the demise of parapsychology as a discipline. Stevenson suggests that in the
> future, parapsychological issues might best be pursued within the framework
> of the orthodox sciences such as psychology and physics."
>
> "This is not to assert that parapsychology should be totally immersed in the
> world of human consciousness. Under a phenomenological definition of the
> discipline, the performance of psi experiments still is appropriate because
> some types of subjective parapsychological events might well prove to have
> an objective foundation, a basis rooted in the physical world."
>
> "In purely pragmatic terms, parapsychology is in crisis because new
> researchers and research funds are not being attracted into parapsychology
> to the degree necessary to sustain it as a discipline."
>
>
> "In some respect this scenario for the future seems like a meek capitulation
> to the skeptical attacks on parapsychology. Certainly it would entail the
> abandonment of some hard-won, academically sound graduate programs in
> parapsychology. But the viability of contemporary parapsychology is under
> serious threat, and the underlying problems need to be addressed in a
> realistic manner."
>
> - - -
>
> Having read all that, my background in natural sciences makes me think that
> parapsychology ought not to be left to scholars only. They are studying only
> what people are thinking and doing and too often they have a rather dim idea
> of the physical world.
>
> How is parapsychological experience defined? What about videos showing spoon
> bending or swinging ceiling lamps or a swinging picture on the wall? What
> about chart recorder papers showing unexplained spikes or metal pieces
> showing unexplained metallurgical effects? Are they parapsychological
> experiences?
>
> The writers, Irwin and Watts, are psychologists. It is obvious that they
> have not understood the importance of physical traces in PK research,
> although those traces are the most convincing evidence possible showing that
> psi is a real phenomenon. The traces can be studied with sophisticated and
> very reliable scientific methods so that no one having necessary knowledge
> can say the effects are not there. Remember the CSI TV series. It is a pity
> how much scholars and theoretical physicists have left aside and partly
> destroyed first-class parapsychological evidence that has already been
> obtained.
>
> - Olavi
>
I have been reading the book:
Harvey J. Irwin and Caroline A. Watt (2007): An Introduction to
Parapsychology. 5th edition, illustrated. McFarland, 312 pages.
An excellent book, comprehensive and highly recommended. But in the end of
the book there is alarming information: parapsychology must be abandoned as
a separate discipline and become assimilated in other sciences. It is
impossible to study psi-phenomena because one cannot be certain there are
any such natural phenomena at all. The object of the research in the future
must be parapsychological experiences, because such phenomena certainly
exist.
Some relevant quotes from the book:
- - -
"Perhaps the ultimate survival of parapsychological research will rest on
the demise of parapsychology as a discipline. Stevenson suggests that in the
future, parapsychological issues might best be pursued within the framework
of the orthodox sciences such as psychology and physics."
"This is not to assert that parapsychology should be totally immersed in the
world of human consciousness. Under a phenomenological definition of the
discipline, the performance of psi experiments still is appropriate because
some types of subjective parapsychological events might well prove to have
an objective foundation, a basis rooted in the physical world."
"In purely pragmatic terms, parapsychology is in crisis because new
researchers and research funds are not being attracted into parapsychology
to the degree necessary to sustain it as a discipline."
"In some respect this scenario for the future seems like a meek capitulation
to the skeptical attacks on parapsychology. Certainly it would entail the
abandonment of some hard-won, academically sound graduate programs in
parapsychology. But the viability of contemporary parapsychology is under
serious threat, and the underlying problems need to be addressed in a
realistic manner."
- - -
Having read all that, my background in natural sciences makes me think that
parapsychology ought not to be left to scholars only. They are studying only
what people are thinking and doing and too often they have a rather dim idea
of the physical world.
How is parapsychological experience defined? What about videos showing spoon
bending or swinging ceiling lamps or a swinging picture on the wall? What
about chart recorder papers showing unexplained spikes or metal pieces
showing unexplained metallurgical effects? Are they parapsychological
experiences?
The writers, Irwin and Watts, are psychologists. It is obvious that they
have not understood the importance of physical traces in PK research,
although those traces are the most convincing evidence possible showing that
psi is a real phenomenon. The traces can be studied with sophisticated and
very reliable scientific methods so that no one having necessary knowledge
can say the effects are not there. Remember the CSI TV series. It is a pity
how much scholars and theoretical physicists have left aside and partly
destroyed first-class parapsychological evidence that has already been
obtained.
- Olavi
This certainly is an interesting idea. It's worth the attempt. I am
personally doubtful that there is anything substantial to be found in
the spoon bending phenomenon, although I do not by any means rule out
the possibility of human telekenesis. It is indeed true that the term
"implausible" carries a hint of irony when uttered by
Parapsychologists, although like any other field of research
eventually some boundaries are likely to be established, or at least
some average range of capacities determined.
In addition to your own suggestions, I would repeat my earlier calls
for a focus on signal enhancement through improving methods of
filtering "noise" (such as Radin's Weighted Sequential Analysis,
itself a significant improvement on Sequential Analysis), and by
better participant selection and developing training regimens for
gifted participants, and the application of more "naturalistic"
experiments designed to better replicate the conditions under which
Psi might manifest in everyday life, among other approaches.
Your thoughts on this subject are most appreciated Olavi. You are
clearly passionate about this area of research, and it is that kind of
passion that Parapsychologists need to have. On this "Grail Quest" to
understand Psi phenomenon, long period of disappointment and tedious
labors can become disillusioning, and sap researchers of their
enthusiasm and passion, and turn them into the very same soulless
academics that treat them with contempt. It is important to remind
these brave souls, from time to time, that theirs is a magical and
exciting quest for the Truth, and that their greatest power comes from
the human imagination, which does not know the words "implausible" or
"impossible".
--- In PSI_research@yahoogroups.com, "Olavi Kiviniemi" <okivi@...> wrote:
>
> "Main-stream" parapsychology failed to handle properly Uri Geller and
> "mini-Gellers". That was a major drawback to parapsychology, when
> first-class and compelling evidence was ignored and even blankly
denied,
> because it was not "plausible". What is plausible evidence in
> parapsychology? Nothing, say skeptics and mainstream scientists.
>
> Scholars have difficulties in understanding the strength of physical
> evidence because they are not interested in what kind of world we
are living
> in. They are interested in what people think and do.
>
> The loss could perhaps be partly repaired by building a network of best
> possible experts and looking what there is left of the evidence.
Something
> has already been done - there is a vast bibliography concerning Geller
> information:
> http://www.zem.demon.co.uk/uribib.htm .
>
> The international metal-bending network would have at least
following tasks:
>
> -- gather names of all metal-benders in a database, with all possible
> reference
> information (quality level of the experiments, background of the
benders
> etc.)
> -- try to find all test pieces left (most of them have been thrown away)
> -- try to arrange metallurgical research for most interesting pieces
> -- gather and analyze all details of metallurgical observations
which have
> already been done
> -- try to find new benders and arrange new well documented
experiments with
> them ("spoon bending parties" etc.)
> -- keep a public site in Internet to enhance the work (although the
personal
> information is mostly confidential)
>
> I would guess that the network could find at least one thousand
benders. If
> there are enough test-pieces left, very strong evidence can still be
found.
> Some pieces can produce even compelling evidence, when the same
effects are
> impossible to accomplish by normal means. For example, if:
> -- brittle pieces have broken toughly,
> -- tough pieces have broken as if they had been brittle,
> -- only in hands bent pieces have necked,
> -- there are "impossible" microstructures or fracture surfaces in the
> pieces, then there is very strong evidence for paranormality.
>
> - Olavi
>
Olavi Kiviniemi wrote:
> "Main-stream" parapsychology failed to handle properly Uri Geller and
> "mini-Gellers". That was a major drawback to parapsychology, when
> first-class and compelling evidence was ignored and even blankly denied,
> because it was not "plausible".
>
I could not agree more!
> The loss could perhaps be partly repaired by building a network of best
> possible experts and looking what there is left of the evidence.
>
A very good suggestion indeed.
> Something
> has already been done - there is a vast bibliography concerning Geller
> information:
> http://www.zem.demon.co.uk/uribib.htm
> <http://www.zem.demon.co.uk/uribib.htm> .
>
A very interesting and highly recommendable website!
> The international metal-bending network would have at least following
> tasks: ...
>
All these suggestions -- the goals and the tasks -- sound very reasonable.
Remains the question: who will do it? Who will at least start it? (If
somebody starts such enterprise others may contribute).
Is there any funding for it or does it need to be done in one's spare time?
Anyway, Olavi, as you in a first step proposed such international
network, perhaps you might do the next step, too, and set up a website
for this purpose?
All best,
Peter_
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"Main-stream" parapsychology failed to handle properly Uri Geller and
"mini-Gellers". That was a major drawback to parapsychology, when
first-class and compelling evidence was ignored and even blankly denied,
because it was not "plausible". What is plausible evidence in
parapsychology? Nothing, say skeptics and mainstream scientists.
Scholars have difficulties in understanding the strength of physical
evidence because they are not interested in what kind of world we are living
in. They are interested in what people think and do.
The loss could perhaps be partly repaired by building a network of best
possible experts and looking what there is left of the evidence. Something
has already been done - there is a vast bibliography concerning Geller
information:
http://www.zem.demon.co.uk/uribib.htm .
The international metal-bending network would have at least following tasks:
-- gather names of all metal-benders in a database, with all possible
reference
information (quality level of the experiments, background of the benders
etc.)
-- try to find all test pieces left (most of them have been thrown away)
-- try to arrange metallurgical research for most interesting pieces
-- gather and analyze all details of metallurgical observations which have
already been done
-- try to find new benders and arrange new well documented experiments with
them ("spoon bending parties" etc.)
-- keep a public site in Internet to enhance the work (although the personal
information is mostly confidential)
I would guess that the network could find at least one thousand benders. If
there are enough test-pieces left, very strong evidence can still be found.
Some pieces can produce even compelling evidence, when the same effects are
impossible to accomplish by normal means. For example, if:
-- brittle pieces have broken toughly,
-- tough pieces have broken as if they had been brittle,
-- only in hands bent pieces have necked,
-- there are "impossible" microstructures or fracture surfaces in the
pieces, then there is very strong evidence for paranormality.
- Olavi
I would like to find more groups who study this phenomenon. The various religions have downplayed in official language the role of the beyond natural explanations, yet it is the supernatural or apparent supernatural that draws the faithful or makes the unbeliever believe. The yoga teaching I remember is do not seek these supernatural powers; yet, the phenomenon is so tantalizing. Once witnessed, we yearn to control it and make it happen again. But so far the effects remain ephemeral byproducts or dry statistics. These are the facts so far.
My praise and respect goes to these scientists who can tease consistency out of the unpredictable and emotionally overwrought occurrence.
Thank you, Mike, for your reply. My post was rather provocative, but I
wanted to wake up a reaction here. Your opinion about the future of this
forum is reassuring and I really hope you are right. And thank you for
keeping up this list.
In my opinion you are right also in what you say about scientific method and
scientific rigor. I criticized "psychical research" because of my
experiences on some sites about people calling themselves researchers. I
began reading in good faith but the sites were a disappointment. Their FAQ
and definitions of the terms revealed only spiritualistic faith and
ignorance of scientific results and lack of cautiousness. Unfortunately I
did not make notes and cannot give links any more.
- Olavi
----- Original Message -----
From: Free Thinker
To: PSI_research@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [PSIRG] Parapsychology forums?
I take exception to the assertion that this forum is dying. This forum has
been here for years and will continue to be here for years. It may not be
as active as other sites, but less than beehive level activity does not
equate death.
There are at least four other forums that have differing levels of activity.
Having run some of these forums since 2001, I can tell you that they wane
and go into near hysterical frenzies in rhythmic patterns over the months
and years.
Also, psychical research does not equate to New Age. I would balk at anyone
telling me that it is associated with it automatically. Research, I would
argue, depends on the adherence to the scientific method and the level of
intellectual honesty. That goes on. Any topic, psychic or not, that has
applied scientific rigor, is worthy of peer review.
Let's see if we get some comments (constructive, please) about this.
Sincerely,
Mike Wilson
List Admin
I think the thing is that there are many different places to do this. I'm on a couple of moderated/private chat lists for the field, one focusing on history, one on survival and one general experimental one. I'm also on Facebook now and there are a lot of link-ups between people interested both seriously and avocationally to the field, chat lists, and so on.
I find it hard to be a master social networker; there's only so much time in the day. But I'm glad this list exists too. I enjoy the discussions that get going; I just don't usually have time to start one.
Best
Nan
Nancy Zingrone
Parapsychology Foundation / University of Virginia - Division of Perceptual Studies
I take exception to the assertion that this forum is dying. This forum has been here for years and will continue to be here for years. It may not be as active as other sites, but less than beehive level activity does not equate death.
There are at least four other forums that have differing levels of activity. Having run some of these forums since 2001, I can tell you that they wane and go into near hysterical frenzies in rhythmic patterns over the months and years.
Also, psychical research does not equate to New Age. I would balk at anyone telling me that it is associated with it automatically. Research, I would argue, depends on the adherence to the scientific method and the level of intellectual honesty. That goes on. Any topic, psychic or not, that has applied scientific rigor, is worthy of peer review.
Let's see if we get some comments (constructive, please) about this.
Sincerely,
Mike Wilson
List Admin
----- Original Message ---- From: Olavi Kiviniemi <okivi@...> To: PSIRG <PSI_research@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 5:47:50 AM Subject: [PSIRG] Parapsychology forums?
This forum is dying. It is unbelievable how people nowadays have so little to say each other about parapsychology taken seriously.
The skeptics have a strong forum in their JREF forum. I have written there about the Rosenheim poltergeist case. But I wonder: are there somewhere other common serious forums to discuss parapsychology?
Naturally there are forums discussing "psychical research", but that is pure New Age.
- Olavi
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This forum is dying. It is unbelievable how people nowadays have so little
to say each other about parapsychology taken seriously.
The skeptics have a strong forum in their JREF forum. I have written there
about the Rosenheim poltergeist case. But I wonder: are there somewhere
other common serious forums to discuss parapsychology?
Naturally there are forums discussing "psychical research", but that is pure
New Age.
- Olavi
--- In PSI_research@yahoogroups.com, "Olavi Kiviniemi" <okivi@...>
wrote:
>
> What does general public think about the science called
> parapsychology? As a rule they don't see any difference between
> parapsychology and New Age.
Even if you are right (doesn't "any difference" be little harsh?) I
think it is not a great deal. Public opinion about science in general
is better only because of professional popular science and good
education. Both are more or less missing in the parapsychology and
there is a good reason.
So far resources are as minimal in the field as they are (and because
field is under public controversy), there is not effective way to
educate much the public view. And, in spite of aggressive skeptics
with planetary size egos, bigger half of people seems to have quite
positive attitudes towards the field, so there is almost as less
reasons to focus more resources to public education than there is
reasons to send messages to extraterrestrials what earthly
parapsychology really is. They doesn't understand you even if they
are listening and if they do, they possible already know what is need
to know!
However, I greatly respect them who want to use their time to write
good-quality books about psi research in spite of that they doesn't
sell as much as New Age. It proves you have right attitude to
be "public nutcase"!
> Most mainstream scientists have the same view,
> because they believe in what the skeptics say
> and the skeptics say so.
You forget most relevant point: science is not democracy. Halleluja!
In current situation we can only hope of good theory about psi
phenomena (if psi is real), it is the only way to change the
attitudes of mainstream sciences. Second possible strategy is to
forget whole concept of psi for a while (in the empirical
parapsychology) and focus only anomalistic psychology's point of
view. It is my opinion because modern parapsychology has now done as
much and seems that only ways to make progress is to get a miracle or
some kind of revolution in the whole field.
> That general confusion can be seen clearly in the category chains
> used by booksellers, libraries and discussion forums, for example:
Irony is that at the same time one finnish skeptic claims also that
categories are misleading but he has quite different reason:
parapsychology (as the other "frontier sciences" and neoreligions
like new age) should be cathegorized as superstition!
> Suomi24 > Keskustelu > Uskonnot & uskomukset > Rajatieto >
> Parapsykologia.
>
> Translated: Suomi24-forum > Discussion > Religions & beliefs > New
> Age > Parapsychology.
No, it is not very exact to translate "rajatieto" as New Age. It
means literally borderlines of knowledge. More or less valid term in
english seems to be "fringe sciences" (my english is not fluent but
I've read my semantics).
The term was originally created for readers of the oldest finnish
borderline magazine Ultra as the term which cover large scale of
material from flying saucers and parapsychology to new age and
alternative medicine. Nowadays it is used in libraries and finnish
media.
I know that your point of view is that finnish "rajatieto" scene has
been totally corrupted by New Age, but still it is not the same thing.
> 1. To take a clearer distance to religions and New Age.
You has to remember that there is people who are needed in
parapsychology if we want to have the subjects of research,
economical resources or even persons who has part in the research
work itself. Many of those people would make distance in
parapsychology if we make wrong kind of distance in New Age or if we
use wrong methods. Many people feels at least some kind of sympathy
towards new age. Maybe we have to use this for scientific purposes
instead of directly get apart of it.
> 2.. The direct and undisputed lies that skeptics tell about
> parapsychology and parapsychologists ought to be listed publicly,
> clearly and in detail, especially in many sites in Internet.
> I have already gathered some points in my files. The list would
> be _very_ long.
And unfortunetaly very unsexy. I fear that only efficient method to
question the reliability of those skeptics (which doesn't mean all of
skeptics) in the public would be less nice. Usually only efficient
way to answer information war is to use same methods than the
opposite part. And I suspect that most of parapsychologists are not
ready to go same level with them since public view really is better
than you could think if you trying look things from skeptical
egosphere. Public attitudes will change if we try to get as dirty as
the skeptics you told of. Related to that, winning the skeptics (at
least worst of them) is not so great victory. So, current choices may
be more like leave the game and loose a bit or continue and loose
badly.
> 3. Parapsychologists ought to let mainstream scientists
> check all papers before publishing them.
And if mainstream scientists don't want to because of their
attitudes, let's get a few martian scientists to do that. Seriously,
parapsychological journals still have many mainstream scientist and I
think that there is not a way to make much progress without more
money. So, in most part parapsychological community has done a great
job.
-Peter
What does general public think about the science called parapsychology? As a
rule they don't see any difference between parapsychology and New Age. Most
mainstream scientists have the same view, because they believe in what the
skeptics say and the skeptics say so.
That general confusion can be seen clearly in the category chains used by
booksellers, libraries and discussion forums, for example:
Free Books > Religion & Spirituality > Occult > Parapsychology.
Suomi24 > Keskustelu > Uskonnot & uskomukset > Rajatieto > Parapsykologia.
Translated: Suomi24-forum > Discussion > Religions & beliefs > New Age >
Parapsychology.
In my opinion parapsychologists have badly failed in their public policy.
The skeptics are much better in that art. What to do then? In my opinion
there would be at least following things to do:
1.. To take a clearer distance to religions and New Age. The difference
ought to be told and repeated on and on in parapsychological articles.
2.. The direct and undisputed lies that skeptics tell about parapsychology
and parapsychologists ought to be listed publicly, clearly and in detail,
especially in many sites in Internet. I have already gathered some points in
my files. The list would be _very_ long.
3.. Parapsychologists ought to let mainstream scientists check all papers
before publishing them. That would prevent for example pseudophysics and
pseudogeology to be written in the papers. There are fringe scientist in
every established field and it is unwise to rely on them too much. Scholars
are seldom able to understand the bases and details of natural sciences well
enough, and that can be very harmful to parapsychology as a science.
- Olavi
Hi Art,
Thank you for your answer!
> I think that determined doubters will find and exploit
> any weakness in Parapsychology in order to dismiss
> the totality. It is not much different from the
> "creationist" who searches for anything incomplete
> or possibly inaccurate in our current scientific
> understanding of evolution and cosmology in order
> to reinforce their preconceived notions.
I strongly agree. It is just because of that situation parapsychologists
ought to be extra careful in their peer review.
> Researchers in other fields are generally given more
> leeway.
Yes. Their fields are well established and there is not such a need for
suspicions. They have good funding, too.
> I have tremendous respect for Radin, and I think
> that many of his experimental findings such as
> Weighted Sequential Analysis should be paid more
> attention. Does he frequently speculate upon or
> dramatize the future of Parapsychology? Certainly.
> The world needs dreamers to give us goals to aim for.
Yes, but it seems you missed my point. I have nothing against speculation if
it is careful and has good grounds. But dreaming without scientific evidence
and even against scientific evidence and logic is not good for
parapsychology as a scientific field. And Todd Carroll had good points
against Radin in my opinion.
> In my experience it is not true that Parapsychologists often
> miss the opportunity for criticism. Quite the contrary,
> in fact, I find Parapsychologists to be the most internally
> critical field scientists on the planet, which is my they also
> utilize the most careful and precise experimental protocol
> according to institutional surveys by Rupert Sheldrake.
> Parapsychologists should be commended for their
> thoroughness in self-policing their own field of research.
I have also read that 'double-blinding paper' by Sheldrake, and it is good
he has written it. But I don't agree about the internal criticism by peers.
Would you please give some examples that I must have missed? Has somebody in
the field criticized the Persinger and Koren paper that I have commented? Do
you think it has a high enough scientific standard?
Persinger has theorized also about geology and UFOs. Those thoughts are more
often reviewed than his theories about hauntings. See for example:
Wild and Bemusing Earth Theories
The Tectonic Strain Theory of UFOs [by Michael Persinger]
http://geology.about.com/od/wildgeotheories/Wild_and_Bemusing_Earth_Theories.htm
.
Unfortunately the geologists have only cited a long article written by
Persinger himself without commenting what is wrong with his theories.
I found a little more detailed criticism:
"Canadian researcher [astronomer] Chris Rutkowski of the University of
Manitoba has become a prominent harsh critic of Persinger's Tectonic Strain
Theory. For one thing, Rutkowski argues, in order to try to accommodate UFO
sightings in regions far removed from faults, Persinger has claimed that
UFO-like lights or hallucinations can manifest hundreds of miles away from
an area of seismic activity. Not only does this place an absurdly great
distance between the actual area of tectonic stress and the surmised
significant EM field, it also makes the theory unscientific by destroying
any possible predictive power. Nearly every place on the planet lies within
a few hundred miles of a seismically active area. Rutkowski pointed out
severe flaws in Persinger's statistical methodology, since he confused
possible correlation (however weak) with causality. For example, one could
more easily explain occasional clusters of UFO sightings along earthquake
fault-lines by the fact that populations often occur there in higher
densities and by the fact that transportation routes often follow major
fault lines, such as the San Andreas fault in California."
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Michael_Persinger
Normally, the critic of Persinger found in UFO and "paranormal" sites is
favorable like the following:
"According to Dr. Michael Persinger, a respected geologist, there appears to
be a relationship between tectonic strain and increased alien encounters."
http://books.google.com/books?id=8Ry8nIzsF-AC&pg=PA109&lpg=PA109&dq=%22michael+p\
ersinger%22+%2B+geologist&source=web&ots=ggo8sUZnVg&sig=WTuNGKeq3V_ruJu8HyWnbYv0\
19I&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result
Sorry to criticize Persinger so heavily, because he has his merits in
experimental research with his 'magnetic helmet'. But the scientific method
must _always_ be used correctly in my opinion.
In the 70's and 80's there was much more internal criticism in
parapsychology than nowadays. For example, Charles T. Tart and Rex G.
Stanford had then a lively and hot argument.
Adrian Parker (2001) has written a review of the situation of parapsychology
as a science and also some criticism:
http://www.psy.gu.se/PDF/parapsychologyAP.pdf
- Olavi
Hi Olavi,
I think that determined doubters will find and exploit any weakness in
Parapsychology in order to dismiss the totality. It is not much
different from the "creationist" who searches for anything incomplete
or possibly inaccurate in our current scientific understanding of
evolution and cosmology in order to reinforce their preconceived notions.
It is certainly true that there has been much speculation in
Parapsychology. How could that be avoided? Some of the best theories
have started as hunches. If it hadn't been for speculations regarding
a possible relationship between Psi phenomenon and quantum physics
many valuable experimental results might never have been achieved.
Researchers in other fields are generally given more leeway. Radin is
to Parapsychology what Carl Sagan was to space exploration: a
popularizer and occasional ground breaker. I have tremendous respect
for Radin, and I think that many of his experimental findings such as
Weighted Sequential Analysis should be paid more attention. Does he
frequently speculate upon or dramatize the future of Parapsychology?
Certainly. The world needs dreamers to give us goals to aim for.
In my experience it is not true that Parapsychologists often miss the
opportunity for criticism. Quite the contrary, in fact, I find
Parapsychologists to be the most internally critical field scientists
on the planet, which is my they also utilize the most careful and
precise experimental protocol according to institutional surveys by
Rupert Sheldrake. Parapsychologists should be commended for their
thoroughness in self-policing their own field of research.
--- In PSI_research@yahoogroups.com, "Olavi Kiviniemi" <okivi@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Parapsychological community is so small that peer review process
does not
> function very well in my opinion. At least also Carlos S. Alvarado
has this
> opinion in his paper 'Thoughts on the study of spontaneous cases' (
> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2320/is_2_66/ai_90532943/pg_1 ).
> There is needed a skeptic, or a layman and outsider like me who is
> interested in parapsychology, to make critical remarks. Of course
there is a
> danger to be in error in criticizing heavy-weight parapsychologists.
>
> I think I have found too much badly founded speculation in
parapsychological
> literature. One instance is Dean Radin, also in his book 'The Conscious
> Universe' (1997). The book is too optimistic and contains much
speculation.
> Radin has ignored the uncontrollability of psi. I have not seen any
> criticisms by parapsycologists or interested laymen in that respect.
But the
> skeptic Robert Todd Carroll gives enough criticism in his article
'What if
> Dean Radin is right?' ( http://skepdic.com/essays/radin.html ).
>
> Radin is certainly mostly right, but Carroll is able to ridicule the
whole
> book because of the speculations in it. When skeptics read his
article, they
> do not feel any interest to read more texts written by Radin. Case
closed,
> they certainly think.
>
> Speculating future is one type of speculation and speculating
without or
> even against known scientific facts is another type. Such is easy to
find in
> the article by Persinger and Koren, 'Predicting the Characteristics
of Haunt
> Phenomena from Geomagnetic Factors and Brain Sensitivity: Evidence from
> Field and Experimental Studies' in 'Hauntings and Poltergeists -
> Multidisciplinary Perspectives' edited by Houran and Lange (2001).
> Fortunately the parapsychological community has given an answer by
Jason J.
> Braithwaite, 'Putting Magnetism in its Place: A Critical Examination
of the
> Weak-Intensity Magnetic Field Account'.
>
> In my opinion parapsychologists ought to be extra careful not to leave
> without criticism such work that can be easily and effectively
attacked from
> outside. By the way, I have nothing against "magnetic" hauntings if
their
> existence is convincingly established.
>
>
> - Olavi
>
Hi all
Parapsychological community is so small that peer review process does not
function very well in my opinion. At least also Carlos S. Alvarado has this
opinion in his paper 'Thoughts on the study of spontaneous cases' (
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2320/is_2_66/ai_90532943/pg_1 ).
There is needed a skeptic, or a layman and outsider like me who is
interested in parapsychology, to make critical remarks. Of course there is a
danger to be in error in criticizing heavy-weight parapsychologists.
I think I have found too much badly founded speculation in parapsychological
literature. One instance is Dean Radin, also in his book 'The Conscious
Universe' (1997). The book is too optimistic and contains much speculation.
Radin has ignored the uncontrollability of psi. I have not seen any
criticisms by parapsycologists or interested laymen in that respect. But the
skeptic Robert Todd Carroll gives enough criticism in his article 'What if
Dean Radin is right?' ( http://skepdic.com/essays/radin.html ).
Radin is certainly mostly right, but Carroll is able to ridicule the whole
book because of the speculations in it. When skeptics read his article, they
do not feel any interest to read more texts written by Radin. Case closed,
they certainly think.
Speculating future is one type of speculation and speculating without or
even against known scientific facts is another type. Such is easy to find in
the article by Persinger and Koren, 'Predicting the Characteristics of Haunt
Phenomena from Geomagnetic Factors and Brain Sensitivity: Evidence from
Field and Experimental Studies' in 'Hauntings and Poltergeists -
Multidisciplinary Perspectives' edited by Houran and Lange (2001).
Fortunately the parapsychological community has given an answer by Jason J.
Braithwaite, 'Putting Magnetism in its Place: A Critical Examination of the
Weak-Intensity Magnetic Field Account'.
In my opinion parapsychologists ought to be extra careful not to leave
without criticism such work that can be easily and effectively attacked from
outside. By the way, I have nothing against "magnetic" hauntings if their
existence is convincingly established.
- Olavi