Mike
Hi I Have been dealing with Island Palm products for over a month and a half
to obtain seeds they are very slow and there is no seeds available now they
have had 500.00 of my money for a few weeks also remember that an
international wire transfer is abouy 30.00. Iam not saying they are not
reliable just that they are slow and I know there are no seeds now.I just
spoke to her a few days ago I took the rest of the seeds to give you an idea
165.00 of seeds cost 688.00 in shipping I have another large order placed and
if someone  wants to share shipping cost I can get you a few things if
available.
                                                      Good Luck
                                                       Neil Perello
                                                       Silverpaln Nursery

Mike,
     Put me down for 10 Caryota ophiopellis. This is really a great
idea...and helps a lot of us obtain seeds and plants without going the full
minimum.
All the best
Bill Bittle
sabal@...
10 Nassau Dr.
Rockport, TX 78382

Mike, count me in! I would like 10 Caryota ophiopellis, 5 Veitchia metiti,
and 20 Licuala cabalionii seeds. That will be half of the minimum order. How
much are they asking for Carpoxylon seeds?
--
Jody Haynes, Webmaster
Palm & Cycad Societies of Florida, Virtual Palm Encyclopedia,
   Virtual Cycad Encyclopedia (http://www.plantapalm.com)


Mike Maxson wrote:

> From: Mike Maxson <Mike@...>
>
> I received a price list from Island Palm Products in the mail today. The
> have the Snake Skin Palm( Caryota ophiopellis) seeds for $1.00 per seed.
> They also have the new Veitchia metiti at $1.00 per seed and Licuala
> cabalionii for $.50 a seed. Has anyone on this list ever ordered from
> Island Palm Products??, would any of you like to go in on a order
> together. The min. order is $50.00 total
>
> Let me know what you think.
> Mike Maxson
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I received a price list from Island Palm Products in the mail today. The
have the Snake Skin Palm( Caryota ophiopellis) seeds for $1.00 per seed.
They also have the new Veitchia metiti at $1.00 per seed and Licuala
cabalionii for $.50 a seed. Has anyone on this list ever ordered from
Island Palm Products??, would any of you like to go in on a order
together. The min. order is $50.00 total

Let me know what you think.
Mike Maxson

Most countries require a import permit. A phyto is usually part the
requirements on the permit. (Except California then it takes a act of God.)

John C. DeMott
in  Zone10.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Wood <palmnut@...>
To: Palms@onelist.com <Palms@onelist.com>
Date: Saturday, December 12, 1998 10:59 AM
Subject: [Palms] Re: bare root shipping


>From: Gary Wood <palmnut@...>
>
>>Do you ship in pots within the U.S.?
>
>David,
>I haven't shipped in pots in the USA because of the VERY much higher
>shipping costs.  I will ship liners only, in the pot, in the USA only,
>expect shipping costs higher than the cost of the plants.  If you don't
>mind the higher shipping costs, get in touch with me.
>
>>Are you required to have a phyto in order to legally
>>ship out of California (under California's laws),
>>or just need to have one to get the palms across
>>the international border?
>
>A phytosanitary certificate is not needed for shipment within the USA, but
>in order to get one for overseas shipment the plants must be bare-rooted.
>I understand this is because of nematodes and other soil organisms that may
>be transmitted in the soil.  I haven't shipped to Spain, but the first
>customers I shipped to in France and Brazil who told me their countries
>didn't require phytosanitary certificates later had their shipments
>confiscated because they were wrong.  I recall they said they had asked
>local authorities about it who gave them the bad information, but
>apparently the laws were interpretted differently by their port of entry
>authorities.
>
>Gary Wood, South Coast Palms
>960 El Caminito, Fallbrook, CA  92028
>http://www.plantsigns.com/palmlist.html
>palmnut@...
>Phone: (760) 723-1354
>Fax: (760) 723-1256
>
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There are now 34 subscribers to palms@onelist.com

>Do you ship in pots within the U.S.?

David,
I haven't shipped in pots in the USA because of the VERY much higher
shipping costs.  I will ship liners only, in the pot, in the USA only,
expect shipping costs higher than the cost of the plants.  If you don't
mind the higher shipping costs, get in touch with me.

>Are you required to have a phyto in order to legally
>ship out of California (under California's laws),
>or just need to have one to get the palms across
>the international border?

A phytosanitary certificate is not needed for shipment within the USA, but
in order to get one for overseas shipment the plants must be bare-rooted.
I understand this is because of nematodes and other soil organisms that may
be transmitted in the soil.  I haven't shipped to Spain, but the first
customers I shipped to in France and Brazil who told me their countries
didn't require phytosanitary certificates later had their shipments
confiscated because they were wrong.  I recall they said they had asked
local authorities about it who gave them the bad information, but
apparently the laws were interpretted differently by their port of entry
authorities.

Gary Wood, South Coast Palms
960 El Caminito, Fallbrook, CA  92028
http://www.plantsigns.com/palmlist.html
palmnut@...
Phone: (760) 723-1354
Fax: (760) 723-1256

Just wanted to let you know that I have purchased many palms from Gary
Wood at South Coast Palms and have had very good luck with them. The
thing I like the best about South coast palms is the palms are grown
outside, under light shade cloth. By doing this they don't seem to go in
to shock when you plant them in the ground like the palms grown in
greenhouses do.

Regards,
Mike Maxson

Gary Wood wrote:
>As the owner of one of the nurseries that only ships
>bare-root overseas, I can give you the reason.

I should clarify that I was referring to shipping
within the U.S..  I have never had anyone ship
plants here from outside Europe - rather, I have
them shipped to my office in South Carolina, and
take care of shipping to Europe myself.  Do you
ship in pots within the U.S.?

>I cannot get a USDA phytosanitary certificate
>unless the plants are bare-rooted.

Are you required to have a phyto in order to legally
ship out of California (under California's laws),
or just need to have one to get the palms across
the international border?  Although I must admit
to being blissfully unaware of the official regulations,
in actual practice no phyto is required for entry of
plants into Spain.

>However, I guarantee that my seedlings will survive.

That is very noble of you.  I will bear that in mind.


David Thompson
Alella, Barcelona, Spain
Zone 10b

David,

I have good results with Mycorrhiza and bare root palm seedlings.
In short form, Mycorrhiza is a fungus that attaches to the roots and acts as a
extension to the root system helping it take up more water and nutrients. It
also takes a portion of the nutrients for it's self. This is found in native
soil, not the bag stuff you buy at the store.

Let me know if you want more info on it.
Kind Regards,
Mike Maxson


David Edwin Witt wrote:

> From: "David Edwin Witt" <bizmark@...>
>
> Ah, the good ole' "Physo" restriction. I am becoming more & more intrigued
> ...
>
> Perhaps some others could share techniques that have allowed them to
> successfully grow bare-root sdlgs. Peter Hueppi suggested using SuperThrive
> (a root stimulator). I will definitely try this if I purchase bare-root
> palms again - never have this problem w/ cycads - hmmm...
> Dave
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Gary Wood <palmnut@...>
> To: Palms@onelist.com <Palms@onelist.com>
> Date: Friday, 11 December, 1998 7:50 PM
> Subject: [Palms] Re: bare root shipping
>
> >From: Gary Wood <palmnut@...>
> >
> >David,
> >As the owner of one of the nurseries that only ships bare-root overseas, I
> >can give you the reason. I cannot get a USDA phytosanitary certificate
> >unless the plants are bare-rooted.  However, I guarantee that my seedlings
> >will survive.  There have been a few times I've had to make good on this
> >guarantee, but I'd say 95% of the palm seedlings I've shipped arrive in
> >good condition.
> >
> >Gary Wood, South Coast Palms
> >960 El Caminito, Fallbrook, CA  92028
> >http://www.plantsigns.com/palmlist.html
> >palmnut@...
> >Phone: (760) 723-1354
> >Fax: (760) 723-1256
> >
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Ah, the good ole' "Physo" restriction. I am becoming more & more intrigued
...

Perhaps some others could share techniques that have allowed them to
successfully grow bare-root sdlgs. Peter Hueppi suggested using SuperThrive
(a root stimulator). I will definitely try this if I purchase bare-root
palms again - never have this problem w/ cycads - hmmm...
Dave
-----Original Message-----


From: Gary Wood <palmnut@...>
To: Palms@onelist.com <Palms@onelist.com>
Date: Friday, 11 December, 1998 7:50 PM
Subject: [Palms] Re: bare root shipping


>From: Gary Wood <palmnut@...>
>
>David,
>As the owner of one of the nurseries that only ships bare-root overseas, I
>can give you the reason. I cannot get a USDA phytosanitary certificate
>unless the plants are bare-rooted.  However, I guarantee that my seedlings
>will survive.  There have been a few times I've had to make good on this
>guarantee, but I'd say 95% of the palm seedlings I've shipped arrive in
>good condition.
>
>Gary Wood, South Coast Palms
>960 El Caminito, Fallbrook, CA  92028
>http://www.plantsigns.com/palmlist.html
>palmnut@...
>Phone: (760) 723-1354
>Fax: (760) 723-1256
>
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Hey
Gary can you please send me a price list or email me one also I have fresh
Pseudophoenix Sargentti seeds available for sale or trade if any one is
intresred.


                                                                          Neil
Perello
                                                                          Silve
rpalm Nursery
                                                                          13005
sw 232 st
                                                                          Gould
s FL 33170
                                                                          Tel
305 2583118

David,
As the owner of one of the nurseries that only ships bare-root overseas, I
can give you the reason. I cannot get a USDA phytosanitary certificate
unless the plants are bare-rooted.  However, I guarantee that my seedlings
will survive.  There have been a few times I've had to make good on this
guarantee, but I'd say 95% of the palm seedlings I've shipped arrive in
good condition.

Gary Wood, South Coast Palms
960 El Caminito, Fallbrook, CA  92028
http://www.plantsigns.com/palmlist.html
palmnut@...
Phone: (760) 723-1354
Fax: (760) 723-1256

Dave Witt wrote:
>I have the worst luck w/ bare root purchases. I have lost
>EVERY single palm I've ever bought in this fashion
>(hundreds & hundreds of $). So I'm a little hesitant to
>go this way.

I can second this experience.  I have lost at least 50%
of the palms I have bought bare-root, and so, like you,
have blown several hundred dollars on dead plants.  If
others' experience has been similar, then why do many
nurseries still attempt to ship sensitive species by this
method?

I find some growers insist on shipping bare-root, even
when I specifically indicate that I am more than willing
to pay the additional shipping cost to have a healthier
palm.


David Thompson
Alella, Barcelona, Spain
Zone 10b

Hi all,

just a test message to see if I got this right.

BTW Gary W. : I'm already familiar w/ your operation. You have more than a few
spcs. I'd be interested in but ... I have the worst luck w/ bare root purchases.
I have lost EVERY single palm I've ever bought in this fashion (hundreds &
hundreds of $). So I'm a little hesitant to go this way. However, I will take
another look @ your list & get back to you.

Dave Witt
Orlando, Fl.

To Gary or anyone who purchased any of Dypsis SC 5/95 from Gary
Wood, or anyone who knows where this seed originated.  I was wondering if
anyone had any ideas or guesses on exactly which species of Dypsis this
really might be.  I've looked through my Palms of Madagascar book and am
still stumped.  At Phil Bergman's annual open house sale, I think I saw the
same plants labeled Dypsis sp. SC 5/95 "Fat Base".  I know there's lots of
taxonomic and identification uncertainty regarding many of the so called
Dypsis "sp.", but I just I just wanted to see if anyone had any ideas.
	 As for the listserver controversy, it seems like kind of a joke.  I
for one will subscribe to both Palms@onelist.com, and
palmsociety@onelist.com.  Why, because I like palms.  The ultimate goal is
for people to be able to exchange resources,information, knowledge,
experiences, etc..  Am I right?   If it takes two lists to meet everyone's
goals and interests, then so be it.
	 For those who haven't caught on, here's the new list server/web
page summary:

ips@...----> Soon to be Dead!
palmsociety@onelist.com---> The new official IPS listserver (NO advertising)
Palms@onelist.com---> List owned by Gary Wood (Moderate palm related adds
allowed)
IPS bulletin board via IPS homepage---> (Moderate adds allowed)

Plant a palm, you'll all feel much better!  Aloha
							 Brian Bodas
							 Encinitas, CA, USA

The new Palmsociety@onelist.com list has nothing at all to do with the
palms@onelist.com list I started last week.  It seems it has the same no ad
policy that motivated me to start the one I did.
Gary Wood

Hi,
     Is this getting bizarre, or am I missing something. Is the "new" IPS
server at OneList yet another list, or is this the one you started. If it is
a replacement for the PalmsAll list (the previous IPS list), and has the
same ex cathedra "no advertising" policy from the honchos, what has been
accomplished. I don't know about other people, but I personally don't have
the time to hunt through the postings on the "Bulletin Board" to see if
there is anything for sale in which I am interested.
     I think, along with others, that we should just vote on the issue and
stop messing around with multiple lists. Alternatively (and I'm an old civil
rights war horse), why don't we all just post ads for whatever on the IPS
list and get the message across in that way...a kind of palmy civil
disobedience.  Who's organization is this, anyway?
All the best
Bill Bittle in Rockport, TX

Hi
     Thanks Gary. I'll give them a try.
     Checked the archive on the OneList. Not much doing, but maybe it will
catch on. If nothing else, perhaps it will loosen up some of the "official
monitors" of the IPS list.
All the best
Bill

Yesterday I purchased a rather large (about 2 meters/
6 feet total height) Licuala, at a surprisingly good
price, from our local IKEA discount furnishings store.
Certainly, it was a surprise to find this, in a discount
store, in an area in which even though everyone has
palms, they are almost exclusively Phoenix, Washingtonia,
Trachycarpus, and Chamaerops, and even the good nurseries
rarely having anything else (maybe an occasional Howea).

Anyway, I have had similar finds before (Hyophorbes of
similar size at a Home Depot in Minnesota on sale as "Misc.
Tropical Foliage" for $4.99 apiece), and as was the case
before, this palm was very poorly labeled (the label simply
reads "Licuala"), so now I am trying to determine what
species I have.   I have already smaller specimens of
Licuala grandis and Licuala peltata var. elegans.  Honestly,
this new licuala looks almost exactly like both of them.
What features distinguish those two species, and are there
any other Licuala species which also might be mistaken for
those?  The only way in which this new palm appears distinct
from the younger grandis and peltata is that the leaves have
a slightly mottled appearance, but I don't know if that is
an inherent feature, or due to some factor in their
cultivation and storage.


David Thompson
Alella, Barcelona, Spain
Zone 10b

Bill,

I have germinated Jubaea seeds by the hundreds every year for the last 13
years. I have found that when the seed rattles you get a much lower
germination rate (like 10% or less), but you should get some.  I get much
better rates if the fruit has just been cleaned off of freshly dropped seed.

Unfortunately, if you make a nice ethnic necklace out of the seeds, the
germination rate drops even further.


Gary Wood, South Coast Palms
960 El Caminito, Fallbrook, CA  92028
http://www.plantsigns.com/palmlist.html
palmnut@...
Phone: (760) 723-1354
Fax: (760) 723-1256

A friend in France sent me a huge supply of J. chilensis seeds last week,
cleaned to the endocarp. They all float...usually a bad sign. The seed is
"free" inside the endocarp, and rattles. When the seed is removed, it also
floats. Do I have (1) possibly viable seeds, or (2) enough J. chilensis
seeds to make an ethnic necklace?

Thanks,
Bill, Rockport

Had a glitch. May not have sent.
-----Original Message-----
From: sabal <sabal@...>
To: ONElist <confirm-do-19391-sabal=dbstech.com@onelist.com>; PalmsAll
<ips@...>
Date: Saturday, December 05, 1998 6:57 PM
Subject: The new "palm list"


>Will the existence of two "palm lists" truly mean the end of the civilized
>world as we have come to know it? I personally appreciate getting
>information on seed availability. I also would not want to receive
>multi-page lists from professional growers and seedsmen on a regular basis.
>But I have found the delete button very handy in such cases, and go on to
>things I am interested in.
>
>The somewhat artificial guidlines set up by the guardians of the IPS list
>with regard to "commercial" postings don't work very well...partly because
>they don't make a lot of sense. If Sarah Noah in California, a grower, has
a
>number of seeds that she has come by and is interested in receiving $1.00 a
>seed for them, is this really significantly different from the offerings by
>various IPS chapters? Sarah is not plying her trade on the list, but trying
>to do a favor for subscribers......and fellow palmophiles.
>
>I am not into violence, so I don't turn to TV channels which are full of
it;
>if you don't want a second "palms list", don't subscribe to it.
>
>Bill Bittle, Chairman
>Palm Society of South Texas
>
>
>

Bill,
My first post was sent back as a bounce, but it did go out to the list. Not
sure why is does that.
What's next two Palm Societies??

Regards,
Mike Maxson
P.S. I did not post much on the ips list since I would have had to change my
plug for my web  site palms of the world.com every time and then add it
back.
It's a crazy life ;-)

sabal wrote:

> From: "sabal" <sabal@...>
>
> Last effort to send failed.
>
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Last effort to send failed.

I just checked the web page and discovered that ther are already 15
subscribers to the palms@onelist.com list.  Be sure to tell others about
the new list so we can build up the subscriber numbers.  Who knows what
will become of the IPS list?
Gary Wood

Hello Mike and Gary and all...

I agree with Mike regarding the ability to "advertise" palms/seeds. That has
been a thorn in many people's sides on the IPS list.
--
Jody Haynes, Webmaster
Palm & Cycad Societies of Florida, Virtual Palm Encyclopedia,
   Virtual Cycad Encyclopedia (http://www.plantapalm.com)

Mike wrote:

> From: Mike <mike@...>
>
> Thank you Gary for setting up this list.
>
> Mike Maxson
>
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Thank you Gary for setting up this list.

Mike Maxson

How great it is to have a palm list where we are not suppressed on what
we can say and exchange/sell seeds and plants if we like

Thank you gary,
Mike Maxson

Testing connection to Palms@onelist and server.